Firstly, I know a lot of people are still waiting for their KS deliveries and are rightfully pissed off about it.
There is other discussion that has been going on about that for more than 2 years: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/556916.page
But, thought it might be an idea to keep comments about the game itself, modelling ideas, painted examples etc. and conversions in a separate thread.
Partly because I don't think it's very fair waving miniatures about in the face of people still waiting for the game or miniatures. And also because that other thread has become a focal point for people receiving news about when the KS will arrive (I know I managed to contact a Prodos guy through it) and discussion about the game is going to be pretty difficult when you have the contrasting comments going on.
Anyway, will post some of my own thoughts about the game when I get the change, but wanted to leave this here for a few days first to see what people think. If the mods or other posters don't think this is a very fair thread to make in light of the KS struggles then I won't make any further posts.
We, in France, are in the same situation : the thread about AVP is a place to grab (a very) few informations about the KS (it's the most viewed in the "news and rumors") but if 95% of backers are very angry about the prodos behaviour, they're pleased to put an eye on paint work of those who were enough lucky to get their minis.
I'll wait too for more opinions but if everybody agree, I'll post some pics of my stalkers aliens ^^
As an "outsider", I'm fine with the thread, though less so with the way that Prodos appear to be handling it. I'm interested to see how the models ended up coming out, and what people manage to do with the models.
Going to start work on my minis (almost certainly the preds first) but have put in an order for some bases.
If anyone is not aware Fenris Games do a great 'Sulaco' range of bases, reasonably priced. There are both standard ship hulls, and 'hive' versions which I shall use for the alien bases. Believe the 'DS' profile type are the ones to go for if you want them to match the style of the supplied bases.
Personnally, I backed for an "Industrial Basius 2 Pad" who works well to "stamp" all bases I want :
And let me show you my Stalkers Aliens ^^ :
I follow with the fantastic Oyumaru paste ^^. As we have absolutely no information about alien tokens or facehuggers from prodos (despite the fact we were told that "We get more approvals" ) I decided to make my owns with 2 Secret Weapons 60 mm bases + Oyumaru + Fimo Air paste :
A friend blogger of mine organize a little painting contest on his blog and I would make a futuristic alien base...
Here is the final teasing before I post tomorrow the final show ^^ :
Well well... We can make everything we want... when we receive our minis... Hurry up prodos !!!!
=> you put a little bit water effect on the mouth, then you insert in the water a little piece of Fishing lane/wire kite. You wait until the water effect is absolutely dry (about 15 min) and finally, with a little brush, you put some water effect on all the fishing lane/wire kite... and now everyone will showing respect to your alien
Really wonderful diorama of probably the worst house pet. I love the attention to detail, every time I look at it I notice something new.
Many thanks for the recipe for 'alien drool' as well, am certainly going to give that a go
Just putting some of the miniatures together now, the detail on them is absolutely stunning. Really, really fine resin cast with the Predator fingers all separately. Almost no flash or mould lines, and a beautiful smooth finish.
Overall, I can completely see why other companies want to use Prodos for their casting.
I love the attention to detail, every time I look at it I notice something new.
Thank you so much... and it was the aim of this base ^^ (and I'll give it for sale next few days)
Many thanks for the recipe for 'alien drool' as well, am certainly going to give that a go
Please, be my guest and feel free to use as much as you want... and show me your result
Just putting some of the miniatures together now, the detail on them is absolutely stunning. Really, really fine resin cast with the Predator fingers all separately. Almost no flash or mould lines, and a beautiful smooth finish.
Overall, I can completely see why other companies want to use Prodos for their casting.
This is the absolute paradox with prodos indeed : on the one hand, this company is worst than all I ever known... But on the other hand, they mold the best resin minis I've ever seen on my life (the 2nd would be RN Estudio without hesitation)...
So, stop talking now, where are your minis, marine ?! ^^
I have just assembled a Predator and Marine, ready for priming. Can't wait to get started on them, such fantastically detailed miniatures. Of course I need to watch Aliens again while I am painting, to make sure I get the camo pattern on the marine right
Morikun - Can I ask which type of water effect you have used? There seem to be different types, is it 'Agua Transparente' ?
I have finished painting a test mini for the Marines, pending some resin bases I'm waiting on from Fenris Games. Next I will do Aliens as I want to leave the Predators for last, and spend the most time on them.
I have to say these are some of the finest resin cast miniatures I have ever seen, almost no flash or mould lines and the detail level is excellent.
These are the Colonial Marines miniatures I have been waiting 20 years for.
Sorry for poor quality camera-phone pics!
Hopefully when i get mine in feb/march i will have the willpower to actually paint them as ive still got all the correct screen used coloured paints from my actual uscm armour and pulse rifle
Few bits on the minis i want to change but that's purely a personal taste thing . Look great i may have to paint a set up for terry the armourer who made the originals .
Wow, that dude looks amazing! I thought he must be a 50mm or 72mm mini for a moment! I love your camo patterns, they look really believable without making the model look too busy.
Those infant aliens look awesome! I love some of the poses, like they are standing and waiting for the parent aliens to tell them what to do
I'm just putting some of the adult warriors together now. Bloody fantastic sculpts. It seems ridiculous, but after so many years of the movies (and being gak-scared watching the first two as a kid) I almost feel... uncomfortable putting them together. They really are the stuff of nightmares, HR giger was one fethed up dude
Regarding painting, it seems silly to think too much about painting them (they're black!) but I might try some very, very dark grey (perhaps even with a slight blue tint?) in an airbrush, try and get a really smooth finish on them.
Morikun - did you try the Vallejo Water Effect on the skin of the alien to give a 'wet slime' look? I might try to make that effect with gloss varnish, then try the water effect if it isn't strong enough.
These Infant Aliens are just black undercoated at this time (the little light effects are due to the magical natural sunlight of Bordeaux, France )
I'll paint them with white/grey dry brushes and after that, black ink for everyone ^^
Morikun - did you try the Vallejo Water Effect on the skin of the alien to give a 'wet slime' look? I might try to make that effect with gloss varnish, then try the water effect if it isn't strong enough.
No. For my Stalker Aliens, I used a mix water/GW gloss varnish 50/50 and put it all on the minis. After that, I put 3 times of pure GW gloss varnish on the head... and that's all
I'll look after my Basius Pad 2 for the bases too...
Morikun, I really love your stalkers! They're very convincing, especially with the "slime"
I had one small suggestion and that is regarding the edges of the bases where you used the Basius pad - they look a little soft / blobby on the edges, so even though the center detail of the base is sharper, it distracts from the mini. I'd like to see the edge cut sharp / flat, which you could just paint black. I think you could even do this now after the fact!
Also, Joyboozer was referencing a famous dance scene in a Michael Jackson music video. Your lined up Infant Aliens really do look like that . It starts at 8:28 at this link (the below should skip to that point once the ad at the start finishes):
Morikun, I really love your stalkers! They're very convincing, especially with the "slime"
Thank you so much... I'm very honoured
I had one small suggestion and that is regarding the edges of the bases where you used the Basius pad - they look a little soft / blobby on the edges, so even though the center detail of the base is sharper, it distracts from the mini. I'd like to see the edge cut sharp / flat, which you could just paint black. I think you could even do this now after the fact!
Hum, you're right indeed, I'll try to fix it ASAP ^^
Also, Joyboozer was referencing a famous dance scene in a Michael Jackson music video. Your lined up Infant Aliens really do look like that
My apologyze !! Trying to translate in french, I didn't undestand : "why is Joyboozer speaking about movies or novels ?" XD
And yeah, I think the music video reference probably got "lost in translation" . It's just the way your aliens are all lined up, they look like they might start dancing like the zombies in Michael Jackson's "Thriller" video . Like any joke, it's a little less funny when you explain it, but no Thriller reference is ever wasted.
How long do you think it will take you to finish the Infant Aliens?
If I had as many bases as you did I think they would be going on absolutely everything
The Sedition War bases are 25mm, these are based on 30mm, but a quick look at the miniatures (Aliens and Marines) makes me think most of them should fit on 25mm. A couple might overhang (the marine with Smart gun, the alien on all fours only just fits on 30mm). The predators you could fit on the larger Sedition Wars bases.
The base size doesn't really have an impact in the board game rules either.
How long do you think it will take you to finish the Infant Aliens?
I really don't know : I want to spend all the time needed on this minis because these are really awesome and 100% real aliens trademark... I have 2 little children so my free times are very rare ^^'
I'm working on the bases too : I dont want to get "stamped bases and go !" : I've "one ou two little surprises" for it ^^
Like any joke, it's a little less funny when you explain it, but no Thriller reference is ever wasted.
It's not wrong but sometimes, translation is a little trap XD
If I had as many bases as you did I think they would be going on absolutely everything
If you want, I can stamp some bases for you : it's not very difficult, it's very quick to do... And you can enoy yourself as much as you want ^^ Just send me bases + greenstuff or we can speak about a little price ^^
Unfortunately the images don't appear to work above. Having looking on the blog though I think they have to be some of the nicest alien warriors I have seen.
Cracking work on those bases, very good/disturbing!
Nice! I love the glossy heads, and you've made interesting use of a monochromatic scheme with limited spot colours. Reminds me of the Sin City movies in that respect. My minor criticism is that the bases, while fantastic, look a little too close to the models in colour and brightness to my eyes (it could just be the photos).
Got the infants and stalkers mostly painted for our first game on Saturday. Still need to do a bit of detail and something with the bases... (BTW I prefer chamfered bases.)
Relatively quick and dirty paint as follows:
Prime black
Drybrush with a medium warm gray
Drybrush with a 3 or 4:1 mix of Tamiya Smoke (transparent black) and Gunze Sanyo transparent blue. Both are gloss paints.
Add a couple of coats of the smoke/blue mix to the top of the head to increase the gloss.
The idea with drybrushing the gloss is to have the recessed areas stay flat and have the gloss only on the raised areas to increase contrast between the two.
Here I come back and first of all : Happy new year for you and your Clan !!
I wish all the AVP backers get finally their pledge !! So the last info is about... end of this month... I hope so...
As my answers come :
@ Ruglud : thank you very much for fix my pics problems ^^'
@ Pacific : Thank you very much for your comments ^^ I'm very glad you like my paintjob. I'm very proud about my glossy effects heads indeed !!
@ Soul Samurai (I like this name !! ^^) : thank you very much for your comments !! Hum... That's right : I didn't noticed the analogy with Sin City ^^. For the bases, I think it would come from the photos : I don't have a very good studio : I just put minis near a windows (when the weather is ok) or under my living room light (when it's raining or it's the night)... and my camera is not pretty good
@ Timd : Very good job !! ^^ Your paint scheme is interesting and I didn't think about smoke Tamiya... But AFAIC, your bases are a little "poor"... On such beautiful minis... ^^'
@ Ktulhut : Very very great job indeed !! O_O
Your Aliens are absolutely dark, your predators look very dangerous and your marine + colonial stuffs are excellent !!
I like your converted pred in particular. What sort of arms did you use ? This is not GW Dark Eldar but what is it please ?
Yesterday night, I've glued my Alien Warriors and my Royal Guard... stay tuned ^^
@ Timd : Very good job !! ^^ Your paint scheme is interesting and I didn't think about smoke Tamiya... But AFAIC, your bases are a little "poor"... On such beautiful minis... ^^'
Morikun
Thank you. Your paint jobs were the inspiration for mine.
Had to get the models painted for gaming last Saturday. Did not have time to do anything on the bases...
Morikun wrote:@ Soul Samurai (I like this name !! ^^)
Well thank you! I know what you mean, taking good photos is hard. I recently picked up the Foldio folding studio to try to take better pictures, it seems good but haven't had a chance to experiment with it yet.
Thank you. Your paint jobs were the inspiration for mine.
Oh !! Thank you very much my Dear Timd, I'm very honoured
@Morikun
The arms and sword are from the Malifaux men kit, the shoulder pads are hip-armour from Dark Eldar Wracks.
Thank you for the answer Ktulut and your WIP is very good
@ Soul Samurai : there are some "photo boxes" for taking better pics... but my appartment is definitely too small TT
@ all : yesterday at night, I tryed to mix oyumaru + stamping concept from Wargames Bakery Basius 2 Pads... I tryed on a Secret weapon invasion base... And de success is total !! I'll show you very soon ^^
Okay peeps, I have a few questions about this wacky game. If anyone can lend a hand with answering, please do
Last year I stayed clear of AVP since it sounded like the Kickstarter was going in a bad direction. However, when Christmas came around I got the boardgame, plus a bunch of the expansion boxes. I've got 5 extra Marines, the Powerloader, the Queen, Predalien, two Royal Guards and a bunch of warriors. So that's all cool.
As a word of advice - if you grab the boxed set made by Games Factory named "Apocalypse Survivors - The Women" there is a dead-on Newt, great Ripley (the model that looks like she's holding the Aliens flame thrower) and enough spare parts to easily convert a Vasquez Smartgunner plus (with a little skill and green stuff) add another Ripley to the Powerloader. Seriously, whoever made that boxed set had Aliens in mind.
So now the question - am I correct in thinking that to date there is no sign (besides prototype model images) of: Alien eggs, facehuggers, Sentry guns, the female Predator, Beserker Predator, or the damaged android counter? No one has any of these yet?
Furthermore, is there any hint from Prodos regarding when any of these are going to be released? I assume the facehuggers will be coming first (if at all)? But to be honest top of my wants list would be the Sentry guns.
Also - am I correct in thinking that we won't be seeing any official/Prodos movie-related minis? (e.g. Ripley, etc)
Lastly, as a game rules question - why do the young Predators have the same Seasoned Hunter trait as the older Predators? I think it would be more interesting for the youngbloods to behave differently and have different traits from the veterans.
p.s. Why do the official Prodos modellers and most other folks put the tails on the Aliens upside-down? O.o
1) To make the spot-on Newt, you actually need both male and female kits. I'll post a pic shortly. Which head reminds you of Vasquez? I've built like 40 of these models and never noticed any resemblance.
2) Alien eggs and the Berserker Predator are starting to reach backers. According to Prodos, all models will be released by the end of feb, but let's just say, we're all skeptical about that. IMPORTANT NOTE: The Berserker Predator is a KS exclusive and will not be sold at retail.
3) No movie models, the likeness of the actors is crazy expensive.
4) No idea about the rules, probably just a lazy copy/paste and not intentional? Or they're going with the idea that youngbloods have hunted plenty, they've just never killed an Alien. Only Prodos knows.
5) The tail thing baffles and infuriates me too, which is why mine have their tails on the right way.
Thanks for the awesome answers. To make my movie characters I:
- Newt: Took the girl model from the boxed set I mentioned. Helmeted head. Unarmed left arm that's made for the girl. Right arm is the one holding the arrow, with the arrow removed and arm posed as if the girl is reaching for her right shoulder. Did this mainly because I didn't like the way the right arm attaches at all and the bent "arrow arm" covers this up nicely.
- Ripley: Took the running pose woman from the Women boxed set. Shouting head with Ripley-style "mop" hair. Right arm wielding a grenade (it looks like the flares Ripley used in the movie). Unarmed left arm with open hand, with a converted combo Flamer/Pulse Rifle attached. Green stuff used to create a strap around both guns and another going all the way over her shoulder so the guns look roughly like they did in the movie.
- Vasquez: Standard Smartgunner model, head clipped off and replaced by the short haired female head, since it was the only one I could then add a simple green stuff headband around
- Hudson: Took the "shouting" Marine. Added the two largest-looking arms from the Women boxed set (lol), both unarmed. Clipped the motion tracker off a Marine arm and attached it to the new arms. so he's basically unarmed, running away screaming with just the motion tracker
- Frost: took a random Marine and burdened him down with a bunch of pouches/bags to represent Frost having to carry everyone's ammo in the hive battle.
- Dietrich: took the "hopping" Marine and totally replaced the raised leg since it looked daft, especially with more than one mini using that pose. Clipped the head off, replaced with the helmeted girl head from the Women boxed set. Kept the standard flamethrower, since that was her weapon during the hive battle (which she used with great skill to murder and explode Frost, heh).
- Hicks: Random Marine, replaced his pulse rifle with a shotgun from the Women boxed set (of course!)
- Ripley II: Took the powerloader and removed the Marine's head. Added the same type of female head I used on the other Ripley. I had to cut away the opaque part of the canopy, and move its top crossbeam higher up, to fit the canopy around/over her new head. I agree that this model is a bit too small. Not comically small, I can live with its size but the model does look a bit silly standing next to the Predators, Royal Guard and Queen. The character is the right size, but the loader itself is undersized.
- Drake: regular Smartgunner
- Apone/Crowe/Wierzbowski - regular Marine models
Leaves me with one Marine spare out of two squads.
So far no Bishop, Gorman or Burke, I'll check out the Men boxed set to see if I can make them from that.
Here's some quick pics. All just simple conversions, done in about two hours while assembling alongside a bunch of alien warriors.
Ripley, Newt and Powerloader Ripley:
Dietrich, Vasquez, Hudson, Frost, Hicks:
EDIT: eh, for anyone like me making custom stuff based on the movies, here's a quick list of the full squad that participated in the Hadley's Hope initial skirmish:
Master Sgt Al Apone
Communications link to Lt. Gorman
M41A Pulse Rifle (disabled)
M240 Incinerator (requisitioned from Frost)
First Squad:
Pvt William Hudson
First Squad leader/Motion Tracker operator
M41A Pulse Rifle (disabled)
Motion Tracker
Combat Technician
(On point during the battle)
Pvt Jenette Vasquez
First Squad M56 Smartgunner
M56 Smartgun
Handgun
Pvt Trevor "Ski" Wierzbowski
First Squad rifle team
M41A Pulse Rifle (disabled)
Pvt Tim Crowe
First Squad rifle team
M41A Pulse Rifle (disabled)
Second Squad:
Cpl Dwane Hicks
Second Squad leader/Motion Tracker operator
M41A Pulse Rifle (disabled)
Pump-action Shotgun (6 shot magazine)
Motion Tracker
(Rearguard during the battle)
Pvt Mark Drake
Second Squad M56 Smartgunner
M56 Smartgun
M240 Incinerator
Cpl Cynthia Dietrich
Second Squad rifle team
Hospital Corpsman/Medic
M41A Pulse Rifle (disabled)
M240 Incinerator
Pvt Ricco "Zen Master" Frost
Second Squad rifle team
M41A Pulse Rifle (disabled)
M240 Incinerator (taken by Apone)
Martial Artist
(Carrying ammo of all other Marines' primary weapons)
They were explicitly designed that way though, it's not just an error on the instruction sheet. I can only assume it's because their solution to the problem of tails sticking out behind figures cluttering up the board was to have them curled threateningly over the shoulder, ready to strike, and to have them the "right" way up in that pose without twisting means having them technically upside down.
Our jury is still out on that question, but we have played only two games. First game the Aliens just died and had a real hard time getting in to combat. The trick for them appears to be to run them into combat even though they do not get to strike that turn. This ties up the enemy and prevents them from shooting and anyone firing into the close combat is -10 to hit.
Will keep playing until we figure it out...
T
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Ktulhut wrote: They were explicitly designed that way though, it's not just an error on the instruction sheet. I can only assume it's because their solution to the problem of tails sticking out behind figures cluttering up the board was to have them curled threateningly over the shoulder, ready to strike, and to have them the "right" way up in that pose without twisting means having them technically upside down.
They could have curved the tails the other direction (up) and then everything would have been correct. Very odd...
The game has a lot of potential, but if you're more interested in the gaming aspect than the models, you should probably wait for a second edition or something, they're not tight or polished rules by any stretch of the imagination.
Ktulhut wrote: They were explicitly designed that way though, it's not just an error on the instruction sheet. I can only assume it's because their solution to the problem of tails sticking out behind figures cluttering up the board was to have them curled threateningly over the shoulder, ready to strike, and to have them the "right" way up in that pose without twisting means having them technically upside down.
They could have curved the tails the other direction (up) and then everything would have been correct. Very odd...
T
They couldn't have curved the tails to compress the "top" or "spined" side, because the spines would have ended up curled inwards and touching each other. The molds wouldn't have worked.
I think they should have just used the same tails the Warriors have. In fact, rather than filling the box with 10 apparently inferior "Infant Warriors", I think the boxed game should have included 10 non-Infant Warriors, with the game using those as the default type, while the tall Alien-style model should have been a hero/leader type that is more rare and powerful.
I used the "Men" Wargames Factory set to make Burke, Gorman and both a full and a "half" Bishop. I'm glad I kept the severed head from the Smartgunner model because it makes a fairly good Gorman head, complete with the cap and headset.
Also invented and have been playtesting some character stats for scenarios covering the two main action scenes in Aliens:
Squad 1: Sergeant Apone 1 14 16 9 9 19 2 13 1 35 Incinerator, Combat Knife Team Tactics, Burning Inferno, Medic
Optional "We can't have any firing in there": if no friendly models have been lost and a friendly model attempts to fire Smartgun or reactivate Pulse Rifle/Grenade Launcher, roll a D6. On a 4+, prevents that model from completing their action. After aa friendly model is lost or rolling a 1-3 for the first time, no further rolls are required.
Hudson 1 12 14 9 9 16 1 13 1 35 Pulse Rifle, Grenade Launcher, Handgun, Motion Tracker, Combat Knife
Team Tactics, Ping, Dodge
Optional: cannot use Pulse Rifle/Grenade launcher until spending 1AP adjacent to Frost.
Vasquez 1 12 14 9 9 19 1 13 1 15 Smartgun, Handgun, Combat Knife
Team Tactics, Guided Fire
Crowe 1 12 14 9 9 19 1 13 1 10 Pulse Rifle, Grenade Launcher, Combat Knife
Team Tactics
Optional: cannot use Pulse Rifle/Grenade launcher until spending 1AP adjacent to Frost.
Wiezbowski 1 12 14 9 9 19 1 13 1 10 Pulse Rifle, Grenade Launcher, Combat Knife
Team Tactics
Optional: cannot use Pulse Rifle/Grenade launcher until spending 1AP adjacent to Frost.
Squad 2: Hicks 1 12 14 9 9 19 1 13 1 30 Pulse Rifle, Grenade Launcher, Motion Tracker, Hick's Shotgun
Team Tactics, Ping, Dodge
Optional: cannot use Pulse Rifle/Grenade launcher until spending 1AP adjacent to Frost.
Drake 1 12 14 9 9 19 1 13 1 15 Smartgun, Handgun
Team Tactics, Guided Fire
Unlucky: Drake is automatically assigned acid damage in preference to any other friendly models on the same tile.
Dietrich 1 12 14 9 9 19 1 13 1 10 Incinerator. Combat Knife
Team Tactics, Burning Inferno, Medic
Frost 1 12 14 9 9 19 1 13 1 20 Pulse Rifle, Grenade Launcher, Combat Knife
Team Tactics, Charge
Optional: begins game on different tile from all other friendly models. Cannot use Pulse Rifle/Grenade launcher until spending 2AP on reactivating weapons. When removed from play, resolve a Burning Inferno attack on all models occupying the same tile.
Ripley 2 11 13 8 8 19 2 14 (10) 3 110 Pulse Rifle, Grenade Launcher, Combat Knife
Team Tactics, Resilient, 2 rerolls
If Newt is removed from play, gains Charge (affecting both CC and Ranged attacks).
Newt 2 6 6 6 6 19 1 12 (10) 1 5
Tiny, Improved Dodge, Hide Anywhere
Optional rules: If Ripley is removed from play, Newt is also removed. Provides 1 reroll per turn until removed from play. Zero occupation point value. Can be carried by Ripley (Ripley becomes encumbered).
Burke 2 11 13 8 8 19 1 12 1 10 Handgun, Combat Knife
Flee: at the end of the Marine player's turn, if one of more Alien faction models are within Burke's LOS (ignoring Ping effects), roll a D6. On a 1, the enemy faction player must move Burke to the nearest unoccupied tile featuring at least one open doorway between the enemy model(s) that were within Burke's LOS and Burke. Ignore any models newly within Burke's LOS, and add a locked door to the open doorway. Add a single Alien Warrior or Infant Warrior to the same tile as Burke. Can only occur once per game.
Ripley II 2 11 13 8 8 19 2 14 (10) 3 120 Ripley's Combo Rifle, Combat Knife Team
Tactics, Resilient, 2 rerolls
If Newt is removed from play, gains Charge (affecting both CC and Ranged attacks).
Gorman, Bishop and Burke, plus some "counters" or objective markers I made from green stuff and model fragments: egg, half-Bishop, Facehugger and hived victim (there's a hole in her chest that the photo doesn't show).
The only thing about gameplay that's bothered me so far is how much better the Queen is compared with the Power Loader. Based off Aliens, the Queen is implied to be quite weak. Sure, warriors can rip and break through steel bulkheads/vent walls, but I think people sometimes forget that the Queen was a lot more gangly and attenuated, meant to just sit an lay eggs rather than get directly involved in fighting.
When Ripley+Loader clashes with the Queen the Loader easily knocks her around like a toy, there's no hint of her having anywhere near the strength to even overpower the hydraulics, much less rip into the machine. She stands there and hisses/whines, really confused and unable to make sense of why Ripley is now able to smack her around. It's an important point of the movie's finale that Ripley is finally able to go toe-to-toe with her fear and overpower the Queen physically, so I don't really know why the Loader's stat lines are so inferior to the Queen.
Looks good Casbyness. I have unfortunately packed away my AvP stuff for now (moving house) so I can't show off my civvies made with those kits for another few weeks.
Wow, these look great! I backed but dropped out before the campaign ended (too many games). I saw the kickstarter debacle unfold (great I wasn't in since I am going through the dust and robotech kickstarter debacles...).
I was happy that I hadn't gotten on board but these units are looking great! They make me want to jump on board
It's very very easy to get Aliens drooling everywhere
My Warriors and my Royal Guard don't drool beacause I thought that it was the task of the drones and stalkers. Warriors are hunting and Royal Guard looks after the Queen.
Fantastic work guys! These look great! I'll try my hand at posting some pics of what I have done so far later this evening if I can. Although, the stuff here really puts mine to shame!
My first marine, I may come back to add some camo...
Stalkers...
Infants...
As I said I'm kind of embarrassed to post these compared to you guys. I think they look better in person than here. Oh well, let me know what you guys think!
Some potentially useful toys coming out in April. Diecast APC, Hadley’s Hope Daihotai Tractor and Space Jockey look like they might be close to 28mm scale.
Your Aliens look fantastic, lovely and dark but with all detail visible. The bases are great too, alongside the models they really work to create a scene.
The Marine and Predator don't quite have that "magic", but are good tabletop quality. The fact that you managed to paint the netting means you're already a step ahead of a lot of people attempting these. Maybe the Marine could have a bit of shading wash on his shirt, the colour looks very similar to the flesh in the pic and while that's not a bad thing inherently, a bit more shadow would define it more clearly so it's easier to see in that vital first impression.
Thanks for all the positive feedback guys! I haven't painted minis in almost 15 years, so I'm a bit rusty. I have redone my marines and will try and post up some pics tonight. I took the advice to darken the shirt color and have added a desert camo pattern to the clothing. I chose desert as I already had the kahki color on them. I also finished my Predators, the last two I did a darker skin color. On the first one, I was trying to get a ballance between the greenish tint and brown. Ultimately it failed and it just looks pale. The new ones are darker and have more contrast.
FWIW: I would normally agree with Morikun about the gloss varnish, however I think your Aliens are already perfect, and the gloss would blur the detail and detract from the whole.
So here are the other two preds and my finished marines. Let me know what you guys think!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Sos guys! I was putting the crusher together this evening and one of the back legs doesn't touch the ground! I think it just looks silly the way it is now. I've heard that you can heat this stuff up with water and then bend it how you want then cold shock it to set again. Is this true? Any advice? I've never worked with resin models before. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! Cheers!
I dunno, that will end up looking pretty weird on these models. A satin varnish might work, but really I think they look great as they are.
Grumpae, yeah, you can heat the model to bend it, although I'd recommend against using cold water to re-set it (it seems to weaken the resin), just hold it in place as it gets back to room temp. Also, if you've already glued the tail on, try not to get that in the hot water.
Sos guys! I was putting the crusher together this evening and one of the back legs doesn't touch the ground! I think it just looks silly the way it is now. I've heard that you can heat this stuff up with water and then bend it how you want then cold shock it to set again. Is this true? Any advice? I've never worked with resin models before. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! Cheers!
Yes my Dear Grumape it works : a friend of mine on Warmania did it :
Do you mean the ellipse 120mm that comes with models like the valkyrie, marine flyers, trygon etc, Morikun?
Grumpae - I like the predators, especially the ranged one. Hard to judge the marines from those pics, although the shirts definitely seems to have more contrast with the skin and trousers now.
Ktulhut wrote: I dunno, that will end up looking pretty weird on these models. A satin varnish might work, but really I think they look great as they are.
My figs earlier in the thread were drybrushed with gloss. Check them out...
I'm still debating the gloss. I guess at the end of day its not t the end of the world if I don't like it as I have many more aliens where they came from!
Last night I actually had a really good time assembling minis! Built the queen, praetorian, power loader, and berserker. I can't wait to start painting these! I also fixed the leg of the crusher. I got the hottest tap water I could, soaked the leg to the point where I wanted it to bend for about a minute, bent and held it until it cooled, and voila! It now stands on all fours! Thanks for the advice and support fellas!
I ordered a set of those ball ended embossing tools so I can make some cool custom infested bases. So I'm holding off on making the bases until those arrive. I'm pretty excited about that.
Morikun, where did you get all those neat bits that you added to the crusher base? Also, where did you get the base, are they available seperately? Oh, and a top secret alien project!? You tease!
Grumpae wrote: I'm still debating the gloss. I guess at the end of day its not t the end of the world if I don't like it as I have many more aliens where they came from!
Morikun, that is looking so amazing! Question for you, where did you get the mold you're making your eggs from? It looks awesome and I would love to add some to my bases as well. On a positive note, I recieved my ball end tools yesterday and have started on the bases for the queen and pretorian. So far so good, I think its finally time to bust out the gloss coat! I've got some slimy infestations going on!
So I couldn't wait to paint my AVP Aliens (been waiting over 2 years after all).
Here's my test paintjob for the Xenomorph
Really simple letting the beautiful mini do the work, just drybrushed, washed and the done painted in gloss varnish.
I went for metal claws to match the teeth, but I'm not sure this is movie accurate (my Google fu showed both)
Really nice job Joe love the gloss effect, neat hazard stripes on the base as well may need to steal that idea!
Morikun think you are really channelling the spirit of HR Giger with some of your stuff, that chest burster is disgusting! But looks just right, looking forward to seeing the secret project. Maybe hide Jonesy the cat in amongst that terrain?
Joe, your alien looks awesome! I think that you should stick with the metal claws, they look great!
Morikun, could you do us all a favor and try being less fricken awesome! Sheesh, hows a guy supposed to even attempt to compete with your stuff! (Just kidding, your stuff is truly inspiring, and has made me realize how much I have to step my game up!) That chestburster is great, but I think its missing a top hat... I can't wait to see what your special project is, these teases are looking simply amazing!
Morikun think you are really channelling the spirit of HR Giger with some of your stuff, that chest burster is disgusting! But looks just right, looking forward to seeing the secret project. Maybe hide Jonesy the cat in amongst that terrain?
Thank you very much I wonder what you'll think after seeing my secret project...
Morikun- that chestburster looks "fresh" and disgusting!
Thank you very much !! ^^
Morikun, could you do us all a favor and try being less fricken awesome! Sheesh, hows a guy supposed to even attempt to compete with your stuff! (Just kidding, your stuff is truly inspiring, and has made me realize how much I have to step my game up!) I can't wait to see what your special project is, these teases are looking simply amazing!
??? Well, I'm very very honoured by your kind words but I know my painting level and I know that I'm not so good you say
My paintjob is not difficult (drybrushes + ink + gloss varnish) and that's why I post my "step by step sessions" in my Temple to show it.
Last but not least : some friends of mine are many much more awesome than me ^^'
I hope my secret project will please you !!
That chestburster is great, but I think its missing a top hat...
But ? He's got one !! Don't you see it ? Damned !! It has fallen !!
And now, Ladies and Gentlemen, let me introduce my very last official AVP Alien mini (as prodos still make me wait for the official facehuggers) : my drooling Predalien !!!
Awesome work all round Morikun. As others have said, the drool effect is fantastic and I'll have to give it a try when I get round to painting mine. Looking forward to your next update
@Morikun, Damn! That is amazing! When I get home, I'm going to have to check out your temple, its been a while. That is one hell of an awesome peice! Seriously, wow! And you say, you're not that good, right... If you aren't already, you need to turn this into a revenue stream! Congrats on another amazing piece!
The tail of the converted Alien is an old Rackham piece, from their "scorpion" line.
By Bone Alien, do you mean the brown one? It's heavily inspired by Alien: Resurrection, with a touch of The Flood (Halo). That one is on a Fenris "Ark" base.
@ Soul Samurai : Thank you very much and excuse me for the late answer ^^'
@ Ktulhut : Thank you very much and excuse me for the late answer too ^^'
Fantastic pics !! All the scenery is very good and the ambiant is perfect ^^
Your last Yautja has made a very good hunt !!
Let me show you all too some pics ^^
A friend of mine has written a little Skirmish SF Rulebook : Generation War 2184 (yes, we can say "GW 2184" ^^) in which we can play with any minis of ours (about 10 models and I've re-used my Infinity Japanese Sectorial Army ^^).
He asked for some pics in the view of a future campaign dealing with a xenomorph... I took it in my new jungle table ^^ :
NECA CineMachines stuff arrived today. Probably a bit small for the AvP figures, but still very usable, esp. the Space Jockey.
Scale of the APC (going by the full size APC dimensions on the back of the box) is 1/54 scale. Length with the turret up is 6.25". Tires scale to 62.5" tall.
Somewhere I have a MicroMachines APC which is about the same size, but I need the find it to measure it for sure.
Space Jockey appears to be a multi part resin piece while the APC is diecast and plastic.
APC is shown on a 1/8" piece of plastic to match the thickness of the figure bases.
Thanks for posting up the pics of the apc. Saw a while back that one was coming out and wondered about the size, now have one on order.
Already looking to add stuff for the marines, have had the boxed game for a few months but only this weekend have I got the first ten aliens cleaned up and undercoated due mainly to the work you guys have all put up on here.
The kick up the backside I needed to get moving lol
niopio wrote: How do you enjoy playing the boardgame?
I feel it's very un-finished. There's a very good, tense game in there somewhere but it will take real effort to tease it out of the messy state it's in right now.
How's the quality on the human figures? I'd like to get some of the Weyland Yutani troops, but I can't quite pull the trigger yet. Has anyone painted any of them yet? How do they scale compared to Infinity or the WGF Survivors?
I may have found the perfect pictures for you - asides from no scale shots that is - (and anyone else who wants to see amazingly painted AvP figures)...
Credit where due... these are by the amazing talent that is BulldogUK, who sadly only posts over on the Forum of Doom it seems http://forum-of-doom.com/index.php?topic=17588.0 Head over there and give him some love... He has some awesome work...
Wow.. that has totally sold me on the Corporation troopers.
Love the space jockey mini! That thing still sends a shiver down my back when I see it, even if they have somewhat been de-mystified by the Prometheus film.
Pacific wrote: You might struggle to fit a few of the aliens (and definitely the Preds) on a 25mm.
As for the marines I don't think it matters? The gameplay is based on tile movements so doesn't matter really what they are on I would say.
Thanks! Not worried about the gameplay, but specifically using the Secret Weapon bases that are only available on the non-lipped bases. Alien Invasion and Steel Invasion and Urban Invasion sets.
The corporate guys do look good. Thanks for posting the pic. Now, if someone could just post a size comparison of any of the humans against an Infinity figure.
judgedoug wrote: Do you guys think they _need_ to be on 30mm bases or would 25mm non-lipped ones suffice?
Humans will go on 25s just fine, the Stalker Aliens will fit with some overhang. The Infant Warriors have a few models that are too wide in their stride for 25mm, and the Adult Warriors have two poses that will not fit on 25mm (they don't even fit properly on 30mm). Predators are minimum 30mm, look much better on 40mm though. Round lip/beveled edge is irrelevant.
Barzam wrote: How's the quality on the human figures? I'd like to get some of the Weyland Yutani troops, but I can't quite pull the trigger yet. Has anyone painted any of them yet? How do they scale compared to Infinity or the WGF Survivors?
They're amazing. Haven't gotten any mercenaries yet but the marines paint up like a dream. Comparable proportions to taller Infinity figures, however WGF Survivors are true 25mm while these are 32mm.
32mm is an odd size, are they making them to match GW sizes? Yeah, you could get away with that, although the Smartgun Marine might be a bit wide for 25mm, but I do think I've seen it done so you might be in luck. You'll definitely want 30mm+ for the majority of the Aliens though.
SW definitely make them to match up with GW sizes (and tend not to bother 'completing' their ranges to match other systems, last I checked - grumble).
Having just started going through my stuff (lots of gak missing already...) I'd say the marines would look a bit silly on 25 mm even though they'd likely fit. Just skip the 25 mm altogether, it'll look waay too top-heavy.
(as far as fitting the model on despite how it'd look, remember the top of a 25 mm bevelled base is 23 mm across, and the inside of a 30 mm lipped base is... 23 mm across, so if a model fits *in* a 30 mm lipped base it **will** fit on a 25 mm bevelled base.)
A fair few of my Infant Warriors and Alien Warriors didn't fit inside the lip of the standard 30mm lipped bases FYI, I had to assemble them with one foot up on the lip.
Thankfully the Fenris bases are raised so it's a slight overhang rather than a shonky angle once transferred.
With the adult Warriors, it was so bad with certain poses I ended up just putting them on 40mm bases, which look much better (and incidentally are what the models were designed for, before being changed to 30mm for game balance reasons).
I'm not worried about playing the game, I'd like them mainly for display purposes... so would you guys say then, 30mm for USCM, 40mm for all Xenomorphs and Predators?
50mm for Power loader and Queen?
For display? 30mm for Marines, 30mm/32mm for smaller Aliens, 40mm for adult Alien Warriors and Predators, 40mm for Power Loader, 60mm for the Queen.
The overhang the Infant Warriors have on 30mm is so slight that you barely notice it, and 32mm might fix it entirely so there's no need to go 40mm for them, just the grown-up version.
Ktulhut wrote: For display? 30mm for Marines, 30mm/32mm for smaller Aliens, 40mm for adult Alien Warriors and Predators, 40mm for Power Loader, 60mm for the Queen.
The overhang the Infant Warriors have on 30mm is so slight that you barely notice it, and 32mm might fix it entirely so there's no need to go 40mm for them, just the grown-up version.
Soul Samurai wrote: Great photos, your aliens really look dramatic and sinister with that crazy lighting! Do you have a zoomed-out view of the table itself?
CURNOW wrote: My converted LT .sniper and "artificial person "
Along with my hardwired xeno drones and controller.
Curnow,
Absolutely fantastic conversions. I can tell by the work you have done on the aliens you are quite adept at sculpting. For the marines in the first shot. What figures are those? Are they custom sculpted? If they are conversions, where did you get the heads with hats? Also, where did you get the medic bag? Please provide some details and instructions for those of us who are not as talented.
timd wrote: NECA CineMachines stuff arrived today. Probably a bit small for the AvP figures, but still very usable, esp. the Space Jockey.
Scale of the APC (going by the full size APC dimensions on the back of the box) is 1/54 scale. Length with the turret up is 6.25". Tires scale to 62.5" tall.
Somewhere I have a MicroMachines APC which is about the same size, but I need the find it to measure it for sure
Found one of my Action Fleet (not Micromachines) Alien APCs, still in the packaging and ripped it open to compare the two vehicles. THEN I decided to look them up on Ebay... Oops! The cheapest one still in the package is $115 and they go up to $399, so finding these cheap on Ebay is not going to happen, and I lost a lot of the collector value by shredding the package.
Anyway, how about some pics?
The Action Fleet APC is appreciably larger, and more in scale than the NECA version.
It also opens, both top and side door and has the squished alien on the underside.
timd wrote: NECA CineMachines stuff arrived today. Probably a bit small for the AvP figures, but still very usable, esp. the Space Jockey.
Scale of the APC (going by the full size APC dimensions on the back of the box) is 1/54 scale. Length with the turret up is 6.25". Tires scale to 62.5" tall.
Somewhere I have a MicroMachines APC which is about the same size, but I need the find it to measure it for sure
Found one of my Action Fleet (not Micromachines) Alien APCs, still in the packaging and ripped it open to compare the two vehicles. THEN I decided to look them up on Ebay... Oops! The cheapest one still in the package is $115 and they go up to $399, so finding these cheap on Ebay is not going to happen, and I lost a lot of the collector value by shredding the package.
Anyway, how about some pics?
The Action Fleet APC is appreciably larger, and more in scale than the NECA version.
It also opens, both top and side door and has the squished alien on the underside.
Packaging
Nice comparison! I never had the Micromachines APC. But looks nice. The NECA is unfortunately very dissapointing. Small, terrible detail and Paint job. Even the Micromachines one beats it in detail :(
Wish NECA would have made them better. I would gladly pay more money for a good model.
I´m not 100%sure about the size in the movie. But the NECA looks too small for sure. The Micromachines looks somewhat fitting. Maybe still a wee bit too small. The Halcyon slightly too large, but maybe still best fitting?
Hi guys.
I got one question:
Models are made from resin - what quality it got?
Yesterday, I get model from resin from finecast and Im terrifed of its quality.
Comparing this two can you tell me if its better/worse?
Mr.T wrote: Hi guys.
I got one question:
Models are made from resin - what quality it got?
Yesterday, I get model from resin from finecast and Im terrifed of its quality.
Comparing this two can you tell me if its better/worse?
The minis are very detailed and clean casted. Nothing to complain about. The only problem was my queen shich seemd to be cast with too soft resin. On temperatures above 20° she literally was kneeling down. Unbelievable for her majesty haha
But seem it was a problem with no good resin of one shipment. I received a replacement queen and so far she doesn´t bend down ^^
Those look absolutely awesome JoeRugby - should be proud of them
Have you got any plan to use in a tabletop game (is the start of Hadley's Hope I see with the terrain?)
Mr.T wrote: Hi guys.
I got one question:
Models are made from resin - what quality it got?
Yesterday, I get model from resin from finecast and Im terrifed of its quality.
Comparing this two can you tell me if its better/worse?
It's far superior to Finecast. Excellent detail, have had almost no miscasts in any of the miniatures I've looked at so far.
Pacific wrote: Those look absolutely awesome JoeRugby - should be proud of them
Have you got any plan to use in a tabletop game (is the start of Hadley's Hope I see with the terrain?)
Mr.T wrote: Hi guys.
I got one question:
Models are made from resin - what quality it got?
Yesterday, I get model from resin from finecast and Im terrifed of its quality.
Comparing this two can you tell me if its better/worse?
It's far superior to Finecast. Excellent detail, have had almost no miscasts in any of the miniatures I've looked at so far.
Cheers Pacific, I'm working on some rules for them in deadzone at the moment
I posted on the AVP KS update thread that I just received my order from Prodos Games that I had placed 11 days ago. I ordered an "All In" Mega bundle for 40% off MSRP and paid $24 flat rate shipping to the US. It arrived here in Florida in good condition today (!!!) and I couldn't be happier. So if you are looking to grab some more of these fantastic AVP miniatures now is the time to do it as the offer expires at the end of August. I may buy another Mega Bundle just to have spares!
Let me UP a little this thread : pay I propose my personnal alien eggs please ? ^^
100% organic guaranteed !! XD
Some pics with Her Majesty the Queen would be great I think ^^ :
With a little "blue light ambiant effect ? Surely ^^
I hope you like it ^^
Anybody gets some news about the cloaked pred and pred token objectives ?
I'm pleased to inform you that I oragnize a BIG sponsorized painting contest in my Temple (for my 600 000th visit and my 9 000 000th visit on my G+ page) and foreigners are highly welcomed ^^
Nice.
re your previous post - only one of the pictures work. the rest show as grey no entry signs.
got my pledge a couple of months ago but haven't gotten round to putting the models together yet.
I've never actually been "on this ship" (too much other stuff keeping me busy), I just follow the thread out of curiosity and because people have been posting some really nice models. Like this batch of Facehuggers; very nice work!
BTW: does anyone know a way of getting that kind of "metal grate" tetxure on it's own? I haven't found a product like that and I'm not confidant in my ability to sculpt it (unless someone knows of a really good tutorial). Thanks.
BTW: does anyone know a way of getting that kind of "metal grate" tetxure on it's own? I haven't found a product like that and I'm not confidant in my ability to sculpt it (unless someone knows of a really good tutorial). Thanks.
Personnally, I use my Basisus 2 PAD "Industrial" from Wagames Bakery (Dave Baker even uses my work on his website... Don't worry I'm not commissioned XD) :
.
) I decided to make my owns with 2 Secret Weapons 60 
I'm very glad you like my paint job ^^
