Title altered, let's not get too carried away eh ?
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Source: GW Insider and DRAGONalpha837 (FW insider)
Confirmed
New Dwarves infantry - and new character model (Fire-Slayer King)
Chaos (Fantasy) gets new kits (Tzeentch focused).
1. New model for Kairos Fateweaver and Lord of Change (similar size to Bloodthirster with multiple options of a staff or strangely mutilated spear/sword)
Slaneesh products will be minimised - not sure if GW has decided to erase Slaneesh from the fluff entirely
Beastmen models to be discontinued by end of 2016
Brettonia also to be discontinued (no confirmed date)
New Elves unit
40k & 30k
Sanguinus model confirmed (Resembles AoS Celestant Prime but more badass with a Greater Daemon Carcass
New CSM book 179 pages
New plague marines (plastic, looks like 40k version of putrid blight kings)
New unit called plague wardens (?) Looks like nurgle centurions
Tzeentch LOC usable in 40k
There was also a possibility of bringing back a renewed version of an old Dwarf war machine with axes. Model design is apparently completed but no confirmations on release
I call BS ... besides the obvious and making the effort of making up a name on a blister leak that we just happened to got lucky with, this is all wishful thinking at best
aracersss wrote: I call BS ... besides the obvious and making the effort of making up a name on a blister leak that we just happened to got lucky with, this is all wishful thinking at best
The funniest part is that they chose to say that the Fire Slayer is a "King".
Most likely? It'll be something like a Fire-Slayer Grudgebearer and the character is more like the Bloodbound's "Bloodsecrator", who can plant a standard and let models within a bubble ignore Battleshock.
I think this all seems pretty likely regardless of the validity of this rumormonger.
Perhaps that new Tzeentch sorcerer for AOS will signal GW starting on at least something other than Khorne and Nurgle for Chaos. It seems like they're quite content to just focus on the two primary factions in AOS (Sigmar vs Chaos) anyway. They make up the gist of the entire story, with some outliers (orcs, ogres, and undead) serving as background elements to them.
It's obvious Bretonnians are going away- they don't fit GW's "everything we make is completely original" tagline. I imagine Beastmen will not exist as a faction to get their own compendium due to their relatively smaller niche within Old Fantasy, but perhaps we'll see some of their units brought back into another Chaos book (as they were originally).
On the 40k side...well, obviously another Primarch has to be on the way. The CSM book isn't looking too hot these days, so it could use a re-working. At the same time, GW can flesh out one of the two Chaos factions it loves to do and transplant the Nurgle concepts they used for AOS pretty much directly into 40k.
I would like to see what the new dwarves look like, that character sprue is looking pretty decent!
It's obvious Bretonnians are going away- they don't fit GW's "everything we make is completely original" tagline. I imagine Beastmen will not exist as a faction to get their own compendium due to their relatively smaller niche within Old Fantasy, but perhaps we'll see some of their units brought back into another Chaos book (as they were originally).
there is no obvious here! Everything is said and done 'til it happens, not to mention bretonnian cities lifting to azhyr is a thing already.
Just for comparison, here's the OP's previous New and Rumour thread featuring "confirmed facts" about AOS before it was released...
Spoiler:
Age of Sigmar is coming out soon, and with false rumours of a "bubbled reality" and etc. I have decided to share some confirmed info. If anyone else knows anything about the upcoming Age of Sigmar, you are more than welcome to share your info (with substantial evidence).
Right. First off is that the upcoming Age of Sigmar bases. According to Rhellion via twitter, Age of Sigmar is both for veterans and new players. It is confirmed that there will be round bases (as already seen in warhammer fantasy e.g. fanatics and mangler squigs) for some units. However, the majority of the models will continue to have their regular bases with the exception of certain heroes and special characters.
According to Deathwing897 on BOLS/Warseer, he has confirmed that some armies will be entirely erased from the game. Though it is unclear which armies will be available in the next edition, there is a large rumour that unpopular armies e.g. beastmen and wood elves will just be pushed into a larger faction, which we all have seen in the End times. The ongoing rumour is that GW will retain their armies in the end-times-ish way: Legions of chaos, Elves, Dwarves, Skaven, Realm of men (confirmed. Basically brettonia + empire) etc. There has been very little info regarding the Lizardmen. But it is likely that GW will retain the army as the latest lizard update has proved to have been a success.
Regarding the new boxed edition set, it has been confirmed by Joshmarine98 on BOLS that one army is the realm of men. The other army has not been confirmed. There is confirmation however that the realm of men will include a unit of knights, 2 units of infantry (similar to brettonian peasants), a war machine, and 2 heroes (captain and wizard or engineer).
The background will be in the New World, the only remaining area left in the Warhammer World. The Chaos gods will return but as a more united front e.g. bloodletters with blessings of Nurgle etc. The Realm of men will also be united under a new emperor and god. The Undead will inhabit in old ruins of the lizard men temples as well as elves, and the skaven. Dwarves will establish new forts in mountainous areas. Though there has been a large question regarding the return of chaos dwarves, it is highly unlikely. But there is still an ongoing rumour that chaos dwarves will return as some dwarves were sucked into the void/warp in the final battle.
New confirmed rules include a major change in the alliances. It will work similarly to the 40k alliance chart in 6th ed. Other major changes include a new rule, Death to the Gods, which is supposed to be given for any human character opposing the chaos gods. This gives them stupidity, hatred or frenzy, and a ward save.
This is all I know. If you know anything else about the upcoming age of sigmar, feel free to post... again, with substantial evidence.
Azreal13 wrote: Just for comparison, here's the OP's previous New and Rumour thread featuring "confirmed facts" about AOS before it was released...
Spoiler:
Age of Sigmar is coming out soon, and with false rumours of a "bubbled reality" and etc. I have decided to share some confirmed info. If anyone else knows anything about the upcoming Age of Sigmar, you are more than welcome to share your info (with substantial evidence).
Right. First off is that the upcoming Age of Sigmar bases. According to Rhellion via twitter, Age of Sigmar is both for veterans and new players. It is confirmed that there will be round bases (as already seen in warhammer fantasy e.g. fanatics and mangler squigs) for some units. However, the majority of the models will continue to have their regular bases with the exception of certain heroes and special characters.
According to Deathwing897 on BOLS/Warseer, he has confirmed that some armies will be entirely erased from the game. Though it is unclear which armies will be available in the next edition, there is a large rumour that unpopular armies e.g. beastmen and wood elves will just be pushed into a larger faction, which we all have seen in the End times. The ongoing rumour is that GW will retain their armies in the end-times-ish way: Legions of chaos, Elves, Dwarves, Skaven, Realm of men (confirmed. Basically brettonia + empire) etc. There has been very little info regarding the Lizardmen. But it is likely that GW will retain the army as the latest lizard update has proved to have been a success.
Regarding the new boxed edition set, it has been confirmed by Joshmarine98 on BOLS that one army is the realm of men. The other army has not been confirmed. There is confirmation however that the realm of men will include a unit of knights, 2 units of infantry (similar to brettonian peasants), a war machine, and 2 heroes (captain and wizard or engineer).
The background will be in the New World, the only remaining area left in the Warhammer World. The Chaos gods will return but as a more united front e.g. bloodletters with blessings of Nurgle etc. The Realm of men will also be united under a new emperor and god. The Undead will inhabit in old ruins of the lizard men temples as well as elves, and the skaven. Dwarves will establish new forts in mountainous areas. Though there has been a large question regarding the return of chaos dwarves, it is highly unlikely. But there is still an ongoing rumour that chaos dwarves will return as some dwarves were sucked into the void/warp in the final battle.
New confirmed rules include a major change in the alliances. It will work similarly to the 40k alliance chart in 6th ed. Other major changes include a new rule, Death to the Gods, which is supposed to be given for any human character opposing the chaos gods. This gives them stupidity, hatred or frenzy, and a ward save.
This is all I know. If you know anything else about the upcoming age of sigmar, feel free to post... again, with substantial evidence.
Draw your own conclusions.
So I guess that would be a bit of 'Bull' alongside a pile of 'Gak' then?!
It's obvious Bretonnians are going away- they don't fit GW's "everything we make is completely original" tagline. I imagine Beastmen will not exist as a faction to get their own compendium due to their relatively smaller niche within Old Fantasy, but perhaps we'll see some of their units brought back into another Chaos book (as they were originally).
there is no obvious here! Everything is said and done 'til it happens, not to mention bretonnian cities lifting to azhyr is a thing already.
Ehh, I'd still put money on Bretonnians not existing as a faction that receives a book. They might still get a shout-out or two in the lore, but as far as having Arthurian knights running around in games of AOS- I'll just say that this would be go significantly against everything GW has been doing with AOS (what with the aelfs, orruks, and other malarkey).
@Azreal: that's a pretty good point, this rumormonger is probably full of gak. I think if I were betting on anything, it would be the stuff mentioned about AOS. WIth 40k...well, those CSM rumors do seem to keep cropping up in a very "click-bait" sort of way these last few months.
Ehh, I'd still put money on Bretonnians not existing as a faction that receives a book. They might still get a shout-out or two in the lore, but as far as having Arthurian knights running around in games of AOS- I'll just say that this would be go significantly against everything GW has been doing with AOS (what with the aelfs, orruks, and other malarkey).
tell that to every other army which takes reference from existent mythical archetypes.
Well sure, but I think GW is trying to downplay those pretty hard- see the re-namings of all of the old factions. Things like dwarves and ogres are generic, yes, but they are open to differing levels of interpretation. Bretonnians are straight-up Arthurian knights, down to the lady in the lake; they don't provide for a case of originality at all. I don't think GW wants to go so far as to pretending they don't exist (just look at how well that ended up for Squats in 40k!), but I really and truly doubt we'll see any future releases for them...unless of course the company goes in a completely different direction than they are now
The guy I got the info about AoS worked at GW, but with 40k. He picked up some rumours and stories about AoS and I had a chat with him. I only dug up rumours that were similar to his story.
I can confirm that LOC is coming. The guy confirmed that LOC will be a centrepiece model much like Nagash or the Bloodthirster. GW gained an incredible amount of profit from the Nagash and the Bloodthirster model. The reason why they're currently focusing on releasing "Large Centrepiece models" as well as HH is because GW fans are willing to spend a buttload of money to own such impressive kits. I believe the Bloodthirster kit was originally made in 2013(?)-14(?) and was originally planned to be released until GW came up with the idea of the End times.
He also mentioned that HH will enter GW's range depending on the profit GW earns from the Betrayal at Calth.
Joyboozer wrote: What is your criteria for considering something to be confirmed?
Any old gak would be my guess.
I dug a little deeper into the OP's post history and found this gem too,
Spoiler:
nightshae007 wrote: All right guys. I just heard from a GW staff member in Stockholm, who said that the Emperor might make a cameo in the last End Times. I didn't believe him, but he showed me the pages where it seemed that characters from the 40k universe were making cameos in the Fantasy universe.
E.g.
“The warlock engineers soon discovered the Device of the Great Beyond, a communication apparatus that spoke to beings from beyond the stars. As they swirled its many dials, a querulous voice spoke through the stone speakers. That voice, fair and clear caused the Skaven to bolt away. The device was something like the far-squeaker, but the melodious tones that issued forth were, if anything, kin to the despised speech of the elf-things. As they did not understand the alien language, nor how the arcane contraption worked the warlock engineers pulled the device apart and shot it with warplock pistols until it stopped making any sounds.”
(Sounds like Eldar/Skaven mashup to me)
Araloth entered into the Realms of Chaos meeting a knight in silver armor who can shoot blue flames at demons (GK psy bolts?). Araloth completes his mission and sees the the knight wounded, saying he can never be killed.
Is this real? He said that the beastmen might come back into the 40k universe along with squats models (does anyone remember them anymore?) and cyber boars (Cheers for my Snakebites tribe!). But is this real or a sham? I would love to see a small scale 40k/fantasy mashup, but I'm a bit skeptical and worried about a huge mashup between the two universes... Idk how the emperor is going to appear in the last End times if he is going to appear (he's dead anyway (no offence, imperialist players)). What do you think?
P.S. I don't have any potatoes. Sorry guys :(
So I'm guessing this is largely the "I'm bored so I'll try and troll some strangers" school of mongering.
You do know I never spoke a word about that draigo post.
It's not confirmed to be him either, no name is given. It's more or less an easter egg towards 40K. A little alinea in a book/codex/armybook/whatever doesn't make something a fact if it's all vague about it and there isn't anything touching up on this subject any further.
And sorry but saying something like "I got this from somebody who works for GW." isn't going to be enough to say that this is 100% confirmed. To us this is just rumor mongering for now.
The warscrolls are available for free and will remain that way.GW will never tell anyone they cant use armies that have had Warscrolls released for them.
Now they may combine past armies or parts of past armies,or even further subdivide armies.
They may discontinue some of the models and go to more multi use kits, but when they do that it just boosts the value of the existing models which is great for the hobby.
The possibilities are endless in AoS.Even if the Bretonnians don't get a specific Battletomb(eventually I believe they will) or just get mention in a sort of "combined human armies"Battletomb they can always be used as a force that is following the ancient ways of the World that was.Or perhaps a Bretonia like continent is found beyond a realmgate in the Death realm.
Marshal Loss wrote: There will be no Sanguinius in 2016. This 'FW' source is nonsense
Yea, the BA book hasn't even come up yet in HH rumors/photos/anything.
There's almost no way Sang appears next year, and if he does it won't be until extremely late in the year. There are far too many other Primarchs with books and no models.
Hell even as a BA fanboy, I can't buy into this rumor. The SW Primarch will come out before Sang, and I doubt we will see both of those next year.
The closest thing we will have to a BA book in 30K in the foreseeable future will probably be book 6, which is apparently going to have the legion rules only. No unique units and probably no Rite of War.
Also the OP contains the definitely-nonsense CSM rumors that BoLS shared recently.
Yeah sorry, I'm going to order a salt mine's worth of produce with these rumors... There's nothing definite about a rumor until they bear fruit.
There will be Legion rules & 2 Rites of War for the BA in Book 6, which is due in Feb most likely. But yeah TalonZahn is on the money, with Prospero taking up next year (and FW's priority making sure the relevant models are released smoothly alongside and immediately after HH 7: Inferno, rather than waiting for years) there is simply no way Sanguinius will be next year.
H.B.M.C. wrote: So even if we don't get a Sanguinius model, we'll still get his rules, right?
No, I don't think so. It's only the legion rules and rites of war for the Blood Angels, Dark Angels and White Scars in the next book, not the characters and units for them.
Yeah no Sanguinius rules. Those will come in book 8/9 or whatever.
It cool that they're getting 2 Rites of War though, I vaguely remember hearing about that a while ago... Of course me being me i promptly forgot. So stoked for Thousand Sons though. HH7 should be out around Q3 next year, right?
Azreal13 wrote: Just for comparison, here's the OP's previous New and Rumour thread featuring "confirmed facts" about AOS before it was released...
Spoiler:
Age of Sigmar is coming out soon, and with false rumours of a "bubbled reality" and etc. I have decided to share some confirmed info. If anyone else knows anything about the upcoming Age of Sigmar, you are more than welcome to share your info (with substantial evidence).
Right. First off is that the upcoming Age of Sigmar bases. According to Rhellion via twitter, Age of Sigmar is both for veterans and new players. It is confirmed that there will be round bases (as already seen in warhammer fantasy e.g. fanatics and mangler squigs) for some units. However, the majority of the models will continue to have their regular bases with the exception of certain heroes and special characters.
According to Deathwing897 on BOLS/Warseer, he has confirmed that some armies will be entirely erased from the game. Though it is unclear which armies will be available in the next edition, there is a large rumour that unpopular armies e.g. beastmen and wood elves will just be pushed into a larger faction, which we all have seen in the End times. The ongoing rumour is that GW will retain their armies in the end-times-ish way: Legions of chaos, Elves, Dwarves, Skaven, Realm of men (confirmed. Basically brettonia + empire) etc. There has been very little info regarding the Lizardmen. But it is likely that GW will retain the army as the latest lizard update has proved to have been a success.
Regarding the new boxed edition set, it has been confirmed by Joshmarine98 on BOLS that one army is the realm of men. The other army has not been confirmed. There is confirmation however that the realm of men will include a unit of knights, 2 units of infantry (similar to brettonian peasants), a war machine, and 2 heroes (captain and wizard or engineer).
The background will be in the New World, the only remaining area left in the Warhammer World. The Chaos gods will return but as a more united front e.g. bloodletters with blessings of Nurgle etc. The Realm of men will also be united under a new emperor and god. The Undead will inhabit in old ruins of the lizard men temples as well as elves, and the skaven. Dwarves will establish new forts in mountainous areas. Though there has been a large question regarding the return of chaos dwarves, it is highly unlikely. But there is still an ongoing rumour that chaos dwarves will return as some dwarves were sucked into the void/warp in the final battle.
New confirmed rules include a major change in the alliances. It will work similarly to the 40k alliance chart in 6th ed. Other major changes include a new rule, Death to the Gods, which is supposed to be given for any human character opposing the chaos gods. This gives them stupidity, hatred or frenzy, and a ward save.
This is all I know. If you know anything else about the upcoming age of sigmar, feel free to post... again, with substantial evidence.
Draw your own conclusions.
Citings BOLS as a source. Yeaaaaaah. No.
Brets and Beasts to be discontinued? Or...perhaps, more accurately. updated and adjusted in aesthetics to fit the AoS theme - you know, as GW originally said when AoS came out - they mentioned that races would be updated and models would change in aesthetics to match - the Dwarfs being an example.
The Bret-Beast squatting rumours have been floating around as long as the plastic Thunderhawk has.
LOC is confirmed Fayric. Dwarves are confirmed. Only question is if GW will follow through their original plan of release. 9th ed was replaced by AoS as GW concluded that 9 ed will no longer appeal to the fans.
Automatically Appended Next Post: All of you think that GW has a definite planning for next year - that's an incorrect assumption. What GW does (like many other companies) is that they only have a preliminary plan- Release of product A, B, C will occur this year. If I am correct, their preliminary plan only stretches out from 2 to 4 years. Every year they take the preliminary plan and modify it right before another release. E.g.
(The example below is purely an example)
HH didn't sell as much as we expected - Maybe we should hold HH products for a few more years. Thus, though they have "new kits" ready to be released, they won't be released for the next few years.
Sanguinus is a good example. Model ready and confirmed. Release is probable- but will GW sell it next year is what you're arguing about. Only GW knows.
Despite what you may hear, AoS shouldn't have existed. When 8th ed was released, GW planned to have 9th released in 5 or 6 years. Once they realised, 8th was dying and sales declined dramatically, they rebooted the whole game into AoS. Sales rose with the event of the End Times. When people showed interest into the Nagash kit, they released other "big kits" which were ready since a few years back.
This applies to all releases in GW. High sales? Great - let's take this to a whole new level. Either release of same limited kit in a few years or keep on going with the big kits. Low Sales? Either ignore it or give it the AoS treatment.
Right now, GW has a ton of new kits awaiting for their release. LOC and dwarves ARE confirmed. LOC was developed at the same time around the Bloodthirster kit, only question was when GW would release it. The Glottkin was supposed to be a GUO model, but with the end times it became a character model. Plastic plague marines - development in process, but with the success of HH, it could easily be pushed back to 2017 or even 18. Discontinuation of Brettonian and the Beastmen models doesn't necessarily indicate that GW will give it the Slaneesh or Squat treatment. Bretonnia could receive new models which they haven't got in decades. Only question is if people are willing to buy the new version of Bretonnia.
CSM confirmation was promised ever since the start of 2015- GW knows the current codex might need a few tweaks. Only reason they haven't done it is because of End Times and the development of HH.
Overall, future releases are dependant on how many people will buy and what they want. Right now, old games e.g. Necromunda etc. are said to be underway. If this is true, expect another delay. All I'm giving you is the basic preliminary plan told by the GW and FW insiders. Whether or not if you decide it to be gak, that's your choice.
MaxT wrote: I don't think you know what the word confirmed means.
It's confirmed by the anonymous "insider". Because that is what confirmed means.
Seriously, what is with the huge influx of hull gak GW news threads lately? Is it because it is around the holidays and some basement dwellers are lonely and want attention?
Maybe these bogus, blind stabs in the dark can be added to the rumor tracker? At least that way it helps to filter out the vast amounts of nonsense from the very few actually credible rumor mongers.
At his point, the only things we know to pay attention to, are Sad Panda & Lady Atia's predictions of new Dwarfs/Fyre Slayers in January, and Space Wolves in Failuary. (sorry, Leaf joke there!)
Experiment 626 wrote: Maybe these bogus, blind stabs in the dark can be added to the rumor tracker? At least that way it helps to filter out the vast amounts of nonsense from the very few actually credible rumor mongers.
At his point, the only things we know to pay attention to, are Sad Panda & Lady Atia's predictions of new Dwarfs/Fyre Slayers in January, and Space Wolves in Failuary. (sorry, Leaf joke there!)
I sincerely hope that Space Wolves are not getting a new codex, just a model rerelease like what Blood Angels did last month. Clampack Krom and another model. If they release a new codex, it will mean that the release schedule has been trimmed to less than 18 months between codexes.
@MaxT the thing about GW is they have models but confirmation on dates is always unreliable. I only pointed out what kits are in the final stage of production in GW and the ongoing talk in GW.
If you want more accurate info, quit your job and go work for GW
The fact remains your accuracy at this point remains so poor as to be almost negative, and anything you're suggesting that's remotely plausible is either a relatively logical guess, or has already been mentioned by superior rumour mongers.
For the record, I don't generally call out any old poster on bs, but on the occasions I have, I've yet to be wrong.
Azreal Most of the kits listed above are already prepared for release. Besides, I see no evidence on the contrary that the products listed above are BS, as according to you.
Experiment 626 wrote: Maybe these bogus, blind stabs in the dark can be added to the rumor tracker? At least that way it helps to filter out the vast amounts of nonsense from the very few actually credible rumor mongers.
At his point, the only things we know to pay attention to, are Sad Panda & Lady Atia's predictions of new Dwarfs/Fyre Slayers in January, and Space Wolves in Failuary. (sorry, Leaf joke there!)
I sincerely hope that Space Wolves are not getting a new codex, just a model rerelease like what Blood Angels did last month. Clampack Krom and another model. If they release a new codex, it will mean that the release schedule has been trimmed to less than 18 months between codexes.
18 months depending on what codex it is... Guard are likely now 2-3+ years between books going off of Sad Panada's info. (ie: Mont'ka being their 'new rules release')
Chaos Marines are now 3+ years old with no light at the end of the tunnel. Daemons are almost 3 years old, against with no new rules anywhere on the horizon.
Orks, 'Nids are still 2+ years old and waiting.
Basically, it seems to be that if you're a Loyalist Marine, Eldar or Tau player, you get to enjoy rapidly updated rules.
If you're an Ork/'Nid/Guard/DE/'Cron player, you get periodic updates, and/or at least some campaign support.
If you're a devotee of the Dark Gods, you get nothing at all, because... "Reasons"
nightshae007 wrote: Azreal Most of the kits listed above are already prepared for release. Besides, I see no evidence on the contrary that the products listed above are BS, as according to you.
Yes, and several of the kits have already been hinted at/full on spoiled for some time by people with stellar reputations.
You won't see evidence that something doesn't exist, as that's a logical impossibility, they'll simply never materialise, or something enough like them might come out at some time and you'll point at them as what you intended.
You've made, AFAIK, three great proclamations based on so-called inside info, that the Emperor of Man would appear in End Times (he didn't) that the Old World would persist in Fantasy (that was "confirmed" too) and it blew up, and these rumours. What's changed? Why are these suddenly any more plausible than the other nonsense you've peddled?
The last "rumour monger" with the same degree of, let's say guesswork, in their info also claimed some inside connection to GW, and they proved to be just as reliable as your info has thus far.
nightshae007 wrote: Azreal Most of the kits listed above are already prepared for release. Besides, I see no evidence on the contrary that the products listed above are BS, as according to you.
Yes, and several of the kits have already been hinted at/full on spoiled for some time by people with stellar reputations.
You won't see evidence that something doesn't exist, as that's a logical impossibility, they'll simply never materialise, or something enough like them might come out at some time and you'll point at them as what you intended.
You've made, AFAIK, three great proclamations based on so-called inside info, that the Emperor of Man would appear in End Times (he didn't) that the Old World would persist in Fantasy (that was "confirmed" too) and it blew up, and these rumours. What's changed? Why are these suddenly any more plausible than the other nonsense you've peddled?
The last "rumour monger" with the same degree of, let's say guesswork, in their info also claimed some inside connection to GW, and they proved to be just as reliable as your info has thus far.
If I recall correctly, wasn't it rumored that the employee who leaked the Horus Heresy boxset photos was fired? If GW was good enough to catch someone taking these photos, I find it hard to believe they wouldn't be catching these "GW insiders," what with all the specifics they give about future products.
If you're an Ork/'Nid/Guard/DE/'Cron player, you get periodic updates, and/or at least some campaign support.
If you're a devotee of the Dark Gods, you get nothing at all, because... "Reasons"
You have got to be joking. 3 of those armies had previously gone ~10 years without updates. CSM get a Codex every edition.
Chaos was skipped over entirely in 5th edition, and thus far, has been ignored entirely in 7th-7.5 edition.
Our initial 3rd edition codex was so abysmally bad that GW had to give us the 3.5 edition one.
We've had the least flavour of anyone, and been the most outright bland codex ever since 4th edition.
Couple routinely awful rules alongside the oldest & most incomplete model line, with only Sisters of Battle being in a worse state. I'd say Chaos players have been pooped on pretty routinely by GW.
We have 1 single plastic kit that can actually build all of it's options 'out of the box'. Every other non-vehicle kit we have is missing half or more of our units' basic upgrade options, or else is a god awful Finecrap hybrid.
At least we got to share our pain alongside Dark Angel players! But now they've got new shiny and we're still left trying to play 3rd edition tactics with 5th edition pts costing.
Heck, we're the only army in the entire game that doesn't even have our own army-wide special rule! (unless you count, "overcosted and underpowered" as our army wide rule. )
The next Primarchs are Corax (90% finished, just needs his new jump pack since they re-did it, i expect him between new year and february), Alpharius/Dorn by Israel (if i remember it correctly it's Israel who will do them) and Russ with his wolfs ...
Slannesh going from AOS is kind of already confirmed and isn't really represented well in the 40k verse either so not surprising really, but what about a nids release that is rumoured?
Atia wrote: The next Primarchs are Corax (90% finished, just needs his new jump pack since they re-did it, i expect him between new year and february), Alpharius/Dorn by Israel (if i remember it correctly it's Israel who will do them) and Russ with his wolfs ...
nightshae007 wrote: Azreal Most of the kits listed above are already prepared for release. Besides, I see no evidence on the contrary that the products listed above are BS, as according to you.
Yes, and several of the kits have already been hinted at/full on spoiled for some time by people with stellar reputations.
You won't see evidence that something doesn't exist, as that's a logical impossibility, they'll simply never materialise, or something enough like them might come out at some time and you'll point at them as what you intended.
You've made, AFAIK, three great proclamations based on so-called inside info, that the Emperor of Man would appear in End Times (he didn't) that the Old World would persist in Fantasy (that was "confirmed" too) and it blew up, and these rumours. What's changed? Why are these suddenly any more plausible than the other nonsense you've peddled?
The last "rumour monger" with the same degree of, let's say guesswork, in their info also claimed some inside connection to GW, and they proved to be just as reliable as your info has thus far.
If I recall correctly, wasn't it rumored that the employee who leaked the Horus Heresy boxset photos was fired? If GW was good enough to catch someone taking these photos, I find it hard to believe they wouldn't be catching these "GW insiders," what with all the specifics they give about future products.
Wasn't a rumour, I got it straight from the horses mouth, not the person fired, but the person who fired them.
January - Fishmen: Age of Sigmar
8 new kits, including salmon riders and the Mighty Red Lobster
CONFIRMED
February - Oi, Where's My Leg Deluxe Edition
32 new monopose miniatures
CONFIRMED
March - Pan Fo Includes 6 kits, including The Reviled
CONFIRMED
So take that to bank, call your bookie for an easy bet, and be ready.
Wishlisting from a real fan would know that it was called 'Oi! Dat's my leg!' - Still a Deluxe edition would be fun though. :-)
Maybe if they did that, they could add 'Trolls in the Pantry' and 'Hungry Troll and the Gobbo's' to their Specialist Games list that's being revamped.
nightshae007 wrote: LOC is confirmed Fayric. Dwarves are confirmed. Only question is if GW will follow through their original plan of release. 9th ed was replaced by AoS as GW concluded that 9 ed will no longer appeal to the fans.
Hmmm.... Since GW likes going the Apple route and seeing that it's not making as much profit as they hoped, maybe they are going the Microsoft route, there is no Windows 10 and straight to Windows 10, so maybe there is no Fantasy 9 but will be a Fantasy 10.
Serious now, you would think that 9th edition would not appeal to fans would be because of high price, lack of support, and shoddy rules writing?
No way, somewhere some angry little red haired kid just found out his friend who is in the know fed him a loaf crap.
New releases for the armies of the Blood god, confirmed!
If you're an Ork/'Nid/Guard/DE/'Cron player, you get periodic updates, and/or at least some campaign support.
If you're a devotee of the Dark Gods, you get nothing at all, because... "Reasons"
You have got to be joking. 3 of those armies had previously gone ~10 years without updates. CSM get a Codex every edition.
Chaos was skipped over entirely in 5th edition, and thus far, has been ignored entirely in 7th-7.5 edition.
Our initial 3rd edition codex was so abysmally bad that GW had to give us the 3.5 edition one.
We've had the least flavour of anyone, and been the most outright bland codex ever since 4th edition.
Couple routinely awful rules alongside the oldest & most incomplete model line, with only Sisters of Battle being in a worse state. I'd say Chaos players have been pooped on pretty routinely by GW.
We have 1 single plastic kit that can actually build all of it's options 'out of the box'. Every other non-vehicle kit we have is missing half or more of our units' basic upgrade options, or else is a god awful Finecrap hybrid.
At least we got to share our pain alongside Dark Angel players! But now they've got new shiny and we're still left trying to play 3rd edition tactics with 5th edition pts costing.
Heck, we're the only army in the entire game that doesn't even have our own army-wide special rule! (unless you count, "overcosted and underpowered" as our army wide rule. )
Well I'm gonna play dark eldar and I hear nothing but bad news for them. Look at how few army lists pop up in the 40k section with dark eldar only or even dark eldar with covens support (we won't count as eldar allies or even maybe harlequin allies). When you think about it for dark eldar the covens book was GW's way of saying "We made Dark Eldar suck except for this extra book with all the good stuff and you have to buy it separately." Yeah GW are jerks and suck hard.
I realize chaos have it bad but you need to ease up before you unleash khorne's rage. Perhaps play a different army? Maybe one that GW hasn't made suck so hard. I know the army doesn't deserve it and GW doesn't deserve support but perhaps playing an army that can actually win would help you be less angry.
If Atia comes in and says get rekt, I'd say show is indeed over and you probly got trolled by sources..
179 page CSM book? Does that page count have anything to do with the recent flood of CSM Codex info? Do any other 40k books have 179 pages with which to base a new codex off of when making up stuff?
gak, Sad Panda mentioned Khorne Daemonkin a long while before it was out and boom. If he says Tzeentch stuff was trolling and Atia hasn't started hearing whispers, then I just dunno man
I heard the next campaign will be an Imperial Guard/Chaos Marine book, introducing a new super formation for Chaos and adding new 'Kasrkin' themed Stormtrooper formations for Cadians (in addition to others).
There will be 1-3 new plastic kits for Chaos, or at least an upgrade kit to make spikey marines from loyalist kits!
The super formation bonus will be to get marks of chaos for free. And nothing else.
I don't believe that BA will only get ROW in the new book. AFAIK, every army has gotten new units to go with it when premiered in a book. Those models might not come out for a while, but the units exist.
Moopy wrote: I don't believe that BA will only get ROW in the new book. AFAIK, every army has gotten new units to go with it when premiered in a book. Those models might not come out for a while, but the units exist.
IIRC the explanation is that BA aren't going to be featured in the fluff part of the book and their rules, like a few other legions, are just a "here's something to use while you wait for your real book" fix. This was something mentioned at one of their recent events, and late enough that the next book's contents were probably set by that point.
Those Chaos rumors are absurd. They somehow know the codex page count, but no other details? I rolled my eyes at the mention of Nurgle "centurions". We already have obliterators and mutilators. Beside which is GW won't give us god specific terminators; we'll the lucky to get the current cults in plastic rather than some other absurd daemon-engine thing. On the Slaanesh removal thing just let that go. Three years with out new Slaanesh models, so what. Did everyone forget how long of a wait it was for the current plastic daemons.
Moopy wrote: I don't believe that BA will only get ROW in the new book. AFAIK, every army has gotten new units to go with it when premiered in a book. Those models might not come out for a while, but the units exist.
Yeah, as Peregrine said, this isn't their book, they're just getting Rites of War and general rules so people have something to use for them. This is stuff that's been confirmed at Forge World events so it's not even really a rumour.
I spoke to Simon Egan at the 40k open day about Sanguinius. He told me that he wants to do Sanguinius but they haven't even had a discussion about him yet, let alone start designing him.
Although when I asked him how he'd personally want him to look, he told me that he wants him plunging down to earth to impale something with the spear of telesto.
2016 is very doubtful.
I did speak to Andy Hoare about the Blood Angels RoW and they'll be getting two. Day of Revelations and Day of Sorrows
Day of Sorrows - Very Defensive style RoW, like they're protecting a relic
Day of Revelations - Andy told me that this one would be similar to the beginning of Fear to Tread, very offensive, lots of Assault marines, Lots of deep striking Blood Angels
I spoke to Simon Egan at the 40k open day about Sanguinius. He told me that he wants to do Sanguinius but they haven't even had a discussion about him yet, let alone start designing him.
Although when I asked him how he'd personally want him to look, he told me that he wants him plunging down to earth to impale something with the spear of telesto.
2016 is very doubtful.
I did speak to Andy Hoare about the Blood Angels RoW and they'll be getting two. Day of Revelations and Day of Sorrows
Day of Sorrows - Very Defensive style RoW, like they're protecting a relic
Day of Revelations - Andy told me that this one would be similar to the beginning of Fear to Tread, very offensive, lots of Assault marines, Lots of deep striking Blood Angels
That would be awesome, but we all know it's going to end up being Sanguinius standing there either pointing or staring at something.
January - Fishmen: Age of Sigmar
8 new kits, including salmon riders and the Mighty Red Lobster
CONFIRMED
So take that to bank, call your bookie for an easy bet, and be ready.
I have wish the fishmen happened (back when they were rumored to be cthulu in nature and hinted at in 8th's rulebook). That is a totally legit what they'd do to them in 'age of sigmar' though. It'd be more like 'age of salmon-mar'.
Experiment 626 wrote: Basically, it seems to be that if you're a Loyalist Marine, Eldar or Tau player, you get to enjoy rapidly updated rules.
If you're an Ork/'Nid/Guard/DE/'Cron player, you get periodic updates, and/or at least some campaign support.
If you're a devotee of the Dark Gods, you get nothing at all, because... "Reasons"
Hey, you are getting a whole Advent Calendar dedicated to you right now! Trust me, it could be worse. I know.
Experiment 626 wrote: Heck, we're the only army in the entire game that doesn't even have our own army-wide special rule! (unless you count, "overcosted and underpowered" as our army wide rule. )
I'll give you ours in exchange of plastic multipart models, printed and translated books,…
I realize chaos have it bad but you need to ease up before you unleash khorne's rage. Perhaps play a different army? Maybe one that GW hasn't made suck so hard.
Maybe one that is not made by GW? Because maybe if you encourage them to being jerks by buying even more models as a reward, they will continue?
Atia wrote: The next Primarchs are Corax (90% finished, just needs his new jump pack since they re-did it, i expect him between new year and february), Alpharius/Dorn by Israel (if i remember it correctly it's Israel who will do them) and Russ with his wolfs ...
Sanguinius will come with Signus ...
Your "insiders" are trolls, nothing more ...
Just curious, but is there any possibility GW main try to "help" with the primarchs for a possible HH game expansion?
Thanks to that thread I googled Pan Fo, found their holy books, opened one of them and the first thing my eyes landed upon was a "pyichic" weapon called Raze the Dead... I REGRET NOTHING! Now I can't wait for GW to release some models with High Frequency Infrared Beams!
Well, a little bird told me that GW will be releasing a new AM Attila regiment in plastic. It will be four new kits:
-Plastic RR. About damn time.
-Kamir on his mount.
-Infantry kits that include options to make command squads. This will be a single, multi use kit, so you need a ten man box to make a 5 man command squad.
-New Great(er) commander of the Attilan regiment: Lo Pan. He actually requires two models: he starts play decrepit in a hover chair, and has weak stats but is a strong psyker (probably ML2+). If he kills an enemy character, you replace him with the other model, which has higher close combat stats. Kinda neat, but a little gimmicky.
-New Great(er) commander of the Attilan regiment: Lo Pan. He actually requires two models: he starts play decrepit in a hover chair, and has weak stats but is a strong psyker (probably ML2+). If .
maceria wrote: -New Great(er) commander of the Attilan regiment: Lo Pan. He actually requires two models: he starts play decrepit in a hover chair, and has weak stats but is a strong psyker (probably ML2+). If he kills an enemy character, you replace him with the other model, which has higher close combat stats. Kinda neat, but a little gimmicky.
maceria wrote: Well, a little bird told me that GW will be releasing a new AM Attila regiment in plastic. It will be four new kits:
-Plastic RR. About damn time.
-Kamir on his mount.
-Infantry kits that include options to make command squads. This will be a single, multi use kit, so you need a ten man box to make a 5 man command squad.
-New Great(er) commander of the Attilan regiment: Lo Pan. He actually requires two models: he starts play decrepit in a hover chair, and has weak stats but is a strong psyker (probably ML2+). If he kills an enemy character, you replace him with the other model, which has higher close combat stats. Kinda neat, but a little gimmicky.
Edited for spellings and such.
Plastic infantry for a Regiment known exclusively for their Rough Riders.
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeahh...I'm going to need to find a salt mine for this rumor.
-New Great(er) commander of the Attilan regiment: Lo Pan. He actually requires two models: he starts play decrepit in a hover chair, and has weak stats but is a strong psyker (probably ML2+). If .
maceria wrote: Well, a little bird told me that GW will be releasing a new AM Attila regiment in plastic. It will be four new kits:
-Plastic RR. About damn time.
-Kamir on his mount.
-Infantry kits that include options to make command squads. This will be a single, multi use kit, so you need a ten man box to make a 5 man command squad.
-New Great(er) commander of the Attilan regiment: Lo Pan. He actually requires two models: he starts play decrepit in a hover chair, and has weak stats but is a strong psyker (probably ML2+). If he kills an enemy character, you replace him with the other model, which has higher close combat stats. Kinda neat, but a little gimmicky.
Automatically Appended Next Post: All of you think that GW has a definite planning for next year - that's an incorrect assumption. What GW does (like many other companies) is that they only have a preliminary plan- Release of product A, B, C will occur this year. If I am correct, their preliminary plan only stretches out from 2 to 4 years. Every year they take the preliminary plan and modify it right before another release. E.g.
(The example below is purely an example)
HH didn't sell as much as we expected - Maybe we should hold HH products for a few more years. Thus, though they have "new kits" ready to be released, they won't be released for the next few years.
Sanguinus is a good example. Model ready and confirmed. Release is probable- but will GW sell it next year is what you're arguing about. Only GW knows.
So GW and FW will be releasing a primarch with zero rules right. Why?
Despite what you may hear, AoS shouldn't have existed. When 8th ed was released, GW planned to have 9th released in 5 or 6 years. Once they realised, 8th was dying and sales declined dramatically, they rebooted the whole game into AoS. Sales rose with the event of the End Times. When people showed interest into the Nagash kit, they released other "big kits" which were ready since a few years back.
Apart from where studios guys and some others have been wanting to do this kind of game for years and have had it planned for a while.
This applies to all releases in GW. High sales? Great - let's take this to a whole new level. Either release of same limited kit in a few years or keep on going with the big kits. Low Sales? Either ignore it or give it the AoS treatment.
LOL
Right now, GW has a ton of new kits awaiting for their release. LOC and dwarves ARE confirmed. LOC was developed at the same time around the Bloodthirster kit, only question was when GW would release it. The Glottkin was supposed to be a GUO model, but with the end times it became a character model. Plastic plague marines - development in process, but with the success of HH, it could easily be pushed back to 2017 or even 18. Discontinuation of Brettonian and the Beastmen models doesn't necessarily indicate that GW will give it the Slaneesh or Squat treatment. Bretonnia could receive new models which they haven't got in decades. Only question is if people are willing to buy the new version of Bretonnia.
Slaanesh hasnt been squatted. GW wont be destroying slaanesh. Ya know the whole horus heresy thing and a certain legion dedicated to oh slaanesh.......
CSM confirmation was promised ever since the start of 2015- GW knows the current codex might need a few tweaks. Only reason they haven't done it is because of End Times and the development of HH.
CSM rumours all shot down
Overall, future releases are dependant on how many people will buy and what they want. Right now, old games e.g. Necromunda etc. are said to be underway. If this is true, expect another delay. All I'm giving you is the basic preliminary plan told by the GW and FW insiders. Whether or not if you decide it to be gak, that's your choice.
Right now, old games e.g. Necromunda etc. are said to be underway. If this is true, expect another delay.
lol, there is no "if" ... and no, there will be no "delay" with GW stuff 'cause of this, because the Specialist Games Studio is intependend from the Citadel team and has nothing to do with it - if something gets slowed down, it's (and that won't be the case) FW stuff ...
I'm willing to bet that we won't see a CSM release in 2016. In fact, I'm willing to be wearing a Maple Leafs jersey for an entire week! (and I say this as a die hard Habs fan)
I'm just hoping that we might see something Daemon related to tie Chaos over.
Experiment 626 wrote: I'm willing to bet that we won't see a CSM release in 2016. In fact, I'm willing to be wearing a Maple Leafs jersey for an entire week! (and I say this as a die hard Habs fan)
If you think of a full new CSM Codex 7th Ed. with a full overhaul of rules and/or models, you're probably right.
If you mean absolutely nothing for Chaos Marines, you'll be wrong.
It is true that 2016 will have (among other things) a (mostly AoS) Tzeentch-theme running through it, similar to how 2015 had Khorne.
The reason there likely won't be a Tzeentch Daemonkin, is because GW is doing possible cross-overs a bit more deliberately than the written-over-a-weekend KDK.
That said, just about the only thing in a fairly impressive pipeline of (mostly AoS) Tzeentch that is NOT ready or even sculpted yet, is the LoC. If he comes, he'll be the tail end, possibly as late as 2017, not the kick-off to Tzeentch the way the Bloodthirster was for Khorne.
Experiment 626 wrote: I'm willing to bet that we won't see a CSM release in 2016. In fact, I'm willing to be wearing a Maple Leafs jersey for an entire week! (and I say this as a die hard Habs fan)
If you think of a full new CSM Codex 7th Ed. with a full overhaul of rules and/or models, you're probably right.
If you mean absolutely nothing for Chaos Marines, you'll be wrong.
It is true that 2016 will have (among other things) a (mostly AoS) Tzeentch-theme running through it, similar to how 2015 had Khorne.
The reason there likely won't be a Tzeentch Daemonkin, is because GW is doing possible cross-overs a bit more deliberately than the written-over-a-weekend KDK.
That said, just about the only thing in a fairly impressive pipeline of (mostly AoS) Tzeentch that is NOT ready or even sculpted yet, is the LoC. If he comes, he'll be the tail end, possibly as late as 2017, not the kick-off to Tzeentch the way the Bloodthirster was for Khorne.
Cool. Glad to see this thread wasn't a total waste
Azreal13 wrote: Just for comparison, here's the OP's previous New and Rumour thread featuring "confirmed facts" about AOS before it was released...
Spoiler:
Age of Sigmar is coming out soon, and with false rumours of a "bubbled reality" and etc. I have decided to share some confirmed info. If anyone else knows anything about the upcoming Age of Sigmar, you are more than welcome to share your info (with substantial evidence).
Right. First off is that the upcoming Age of Sigmar bases. According to Rhellion via twitter, Age of Sigmar is both for veterans and new players. It is confirmed that there will be round bases (as already seen in warhammer fantasy e.g. fanatics and mangler squigs) for some units. However, the majority of the models will continue to have their regular bases with the exception of certain heroes and special characters.
According to Deathwing897 on BOLS/Warseer, he has confirmed that some armies will be entirely erased from the game. Though it is unclear which armies will be available in the next edition, there is a large rumour that unpopular armies e.g. beastmen and wood elves will just be pushed into a larger faction, which we all have seen in the End times. The ongoing rumour is that GW will retain their armies in the end-times-ish way: Legions of chaos, Elves, Dwarves, Skaven, Realm of men (confirmed. Basically brettonia + empire) etc. There has been very little info regarding the Lizardmen. But it is likely that GW will retain the army as the latest lizard update has proved to have been a success.
Regarding the new boxed edition set, it has been confirmed by Joshmarine98 on BOLS that one army is the realm of men. The other army has not been confirmed. There is confirmation however that the realm of men will include a unit of knights, 2 units of infantry (similar to brettonian peasants), a war machine, and 2 heroes (captain and wizard or engineer).
The background will be in the New World, the only remaining area left in the Warhammer World. The Chaos gods will return but as a more united front e.g. bloodletters with blessings of Nurgle etc. The Realm of men will also be united under a new emperor and god. The Undead will inhabit in old ruins of the lizard men temples as well as elves, and the skaven. Dwarves will establish new forts in mountainous areas. Though there has been a large question regarding the return of chaos dwarves, it is highly unlikely. But there is still an ongoing rumour that chaos dwarves will return as some dwarves were sucked into the void/warp in the final battle.
New confirmed rules include a major change in the alliances. It will work similarly to the 40k alliance chart in 6th ed. Other major changes include a new rule, Death to the Gods, which is supposed to be given for any human character opposing the chaos gods. This gives them stupidity, hatred or frenzy, and a ward save.
This is all I know. If you know anything else about the upcoming age of sigmar, feel free to post... again, with substantial evidence.
40k Release Schedule Rumors - Feb 2015
All right guys. I just heard from a GW staff member in Stockholm, who said that the Emperor might make a cameo in the last End Times. I didn't believe him, but he showed me the pages where it seemed that characters from the 40k universe were making cameos in the Fantasy universe. PARTIALLY TRUE
He said that the beastmen might come back into the 40k universe along with squats models (does anyone remember them anymore?) and cyber boars (Cheers for my Snakebites tribe!).
Experiment 626 wrote: I'm willing to bet that we won't see a CSM release in 2016. In fact, I'm willing to be wearing a Maple Leafs jersey for an entire week! (and I say this as a die hard Habs fan)
If you think of a full new CSM Codex 7th Ed. with a full overhaul of rules and/or models, you're probably right.
If you mean absolutely nothing for Chaos Marines, you'll be wrong.
It is true that 2016 will have (among other things) a (mostly AoS) Tzeentch-theme running through it, similar to how 2015 had Khorne.
The reason there likely won't be a Tzeentch Daemonkin, is because GW is doing possible cross-overs a bit more deliberately than the written-over-a-weekend KDK.
That said, just about the only thing in a fairly impressive pipeline of (mostly AoS) Tzeentch that is NOT ready or even sculpted yet, is the LoC. If he comes, he'll be the tail end, possibly as late as 2017, not the kick-off to Tzeentch the way the Bloodthirster was for Khorne.
Thanks for the info Sad Panda!
Really depressing to hear about the LoC pretty much being a pipe dream at this point.
If the only thing on tap for Chaos Marines though is Tzeentch related, (*cough*thousandsons*cough*), it may as well count as nothing, considering how horrible they've been since about forever now! At least the models will (hopefully) keep to their older style, and not go the hyper blinged-out, daemonically mutated man-beast look GW has been putting on all things Chaos as of late.
Mind you, from a Chaos perspective, at this point I doubt Chaos Marines will get an actual release ever again. 2017 better damn well be an entire ing YEAR of Chaos Marine goodness, because Gods know, we desperately need it!
I take a lot of stock in what Sad Panda said, but didn't someone on Warseer with a good record say that the LOC is done? Sorry, that ALL 4 demons are done?
Also, thanks again Sad Panda. We know that you don't have to post anything at all.
I could do without Tzeentch Daemonkin but I am praying for some sort of 40kTS goodness as I am sure plenty other people are.
Brometheus wrote: I take a lot of stock in what Sad Panda said, but didn't someone on Warseer with a good record say that the LOC is done? Sorry, that ALL 4 demons are done?
Also, thanks again Sad Panda. We know that you don't have to post anything at all.
I could do without Tzeentch Daemonkin but I am praying for some sort of 40kTS goodness as I am sure plenty other people are.
Multiples said that a while back. Hastings and Harry, at the least.
Is it just me or is the fact that codices are released so haphazardly and so far apart kind of absurd? Of course, it clearly fits into the GW mantra of giving no feths about the "game" side of their business, but it would be easy in a normal, competent business for at least half of the codices to be written, edited, and layout finalized within a few months.
I dunno, for a while there we got a codex every month and they were of little to no value aside from staying current - anything interesting was removed, there might be a little balance change to pimp whatever they'd just done a new model for, that was it. I'd rather sporadic releases of content that actually has value than monthly releases of completely gak books.
Brometheus wrote: I take a lot of stock in what Sad Panda said, but didn't someone on Warseer with a good record say that the LOC is done? Sorry, that ALL 4 demons are done?
Also, thanks again Sad Panda. We know that you don't have to post anything at all.
I could do without Tzeentch Daemonkin but I am praying for some sort of 40kTS goodness as I am sure plenty other people are.
To be fair to Sad Panda, the models and molds could be done but they just haven't started producing the actual stock.
Bull0 wrote: I dunno, for a while there we got a codex every month and they were of little to no value aside from staying current - anything interesting was removed, there might be a little balance change to pimp whatever they'd just done a new model for, that was it. I'd rather sporadic releases of content that actually has value than monthly releases of completely gak books.
Releasing them over a period of time doesn't require writing them over a period of time. If, as we know they do not, GW were taking the rules side of their business remotely seriously they would be laying down -at the very least- the broad strokes of all the factions at the same time as they were writing the core rules of each edition(and nobody can tell me that's impossible or somehow unreasonable/"entitled" to ask for, because they've done it multiple times just not recently). Instead, as well all know, they have a nebulous "team" working on each book in series that changes membership seemingly on a whim and apparently write each in near-total isolation from the rest of the game with playtesting limited to a few games between the studio staff where they consider something to be finished and balanced if they can "gentlemen's agreement" their way through all the obvious flaws.
Brometheus wrote: I take a lot of stock in what Sad Panda said, but didn't someone on Warseer with a good record say that the LOC is done? Sorry, that ALL 4 demons are done?
Also, thanks again Sad Panda. We know that you don't have to post anything at all.
I could do without Tzeentch Daemonkin but I am praying for some sort of 40kTS goodness as I am sure plenty other people are.
To be fair to Sad Panda, the models and molds could be done but they just haven't started producing the actual stock.
Just a possible explanation.
Generally they are 1-2 years ahead. So stuff coming out was 100% done 1-2 years ago. I even found one when the last warriors of chaos book was released the Throgg model had a 2010 date on the sprue for the copyright info
Brometheus wrote: I take a lot of stock in what Sad Panda said, but didn't someone on Warseer with a good record say that the LOC is done? Sorry, that ALL 4 demons are done?
Also, thanks again Sad Panda. We know that you don't have to post anything at all.
I could do without Tzeentch Daemonkin but I am praying for some sort of 40kTS goodness as I am sure plenty other people are.
To be fair to Sad Panda, the models and molds could be done but they just haven't started producing the actual stock.
Just a possible explanation.
Generally they are 1-2 years ahead. So stuff coming out was 100% done 1-2 years ago. I even found one when the last warriors of chaos book was released the Throgg model had a 2010 date on the sprue for the copyright info
No, I understand that.
But what I'm saying is that the masters and molds? They could be finished. They might simply not have produced the actual stock yet that they would then start shipping to stores.
It's also worth noting that they seem to be doing a lot more with CAD now. Nobody had any real clue about the two new clamshells that just got released, or the two character models for the Tau campaign stuff.
They very well could have started and finished the design process in a manner of months.
It's certainly possible that the while all 4 greater demons were done at the same time they didn't get the same endings
the blood thirster was a hit with management and gets a release (and a secondary release as a named character bloodthirster with an alternate sprue)
The Great Unclean One almost made it, but at the end of the day was diverted to become the Largest Glotkin brother
and the other two may have been sculpted but found wanting by management and at the end of the day they've decided to start again on them. Things do get abandoned even at pretty late stages of production especially if they wanted to work in some design queues from some of the upcoming AoS stuff that might have developed after these demons had been well underway
Bull0 wrote: I dunno, for a while there we got a codex every month and they were of little to no value aside from staying current - anything interesting was removed, there might be a little balance change to pimp whatever they'd just done a new model for, that was it. I'd rather sporadic releases of content that actually has value than monthly releases of completely gak books.
Releasing them over a period of time doesn't require writing them over a period of time. If, as we know they do not, GW were taking the rules side of their business remotely seriously they would be laying down -at the very least- the broad strokes of all the factions at the same time as they were writing the core rules of each edition(and nobody can tell me that's impossible or somehow unreasonable/"entitled" to ask for, because they've done it multiple times just not recently). Instead, as well all know, they have a nebulous "team" working on each book in series that changes membership seemingly on a whim and apparently write each in near-total isolation from the rest of the game with playtesting limited to a few games between the studio staff where they consider something to be finished and balanced if they can "gentlemen's agreement" their way through all the obvious flaws.
I know their output sucks, hence why I said I'd rather they took more time over books and produced a higher quality product than had rapid updates. I really doubt we can have both. It was a throwaway comment really. It sounds like we want different things from the books anyway.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I don't much get why theyd have to write all the rules in one go to ever achieve balance either, seems like you've arrived at that and decided it's empirical.
Marshal Loss wrote: Sighhhhh. Perhaps 2017 will be the year CSM get a large revamp then
Chaos Marines will not see any kind of actual release until the Cubs win the World Series, the Browns make the play-offs, the Jaguars win the Super Bowl & the Maple Leafs win the Stanley Cup.
Marshal Loss wrote: Sighhhhh. Perhaps 2017 will be the year CSM get a large revamp then
Chaos Marines will not see any kind of actual release until the Cubs win the World Series, the Browns make the play-offs, the Jaguars win the Super Bowl & the Maple Leafs win the Stanley Cup.
So, right after Bretonnians get their models then?
I remember they used to release multiple kits for factions all at the same time, I guess so customers can field them at once in their armies.
Now it seems like they release 1 or 2 kits for a faction, then wait a while and release another kit, then wait a while for another.
Are they just releasing less product and spreading out the releases?
You seem to misremember how GW used to release product. Yes, they did drop multiple kits at a time but they only did that once a month instead of the one or two a week that they do now. If there was too much for a single release, then you had to wait a month for the next release. Then you'd be lucky to see anything for your army at all for a few years until the army got a new codex. I don't see how GW's past release plan was better than what they have now.
I remember they used to release multiple kits for factions all at the same time, I guess so customers can field them at once in their armies.
Now it seems like they release 1 or 2 kits for a faction, then wait a while and release another kit, then wait a while for another.
Are they just releasing less product and spreading out the releases?
You seem to misremember how GW used to release product. Yes, they did drop multiple kits at a time but they only did that once a month instead of the one or two a week that they do now. If there was too much for a single release, then you had to wait a month for the next release. Then you'd be lucky to see anything for your army at all for a few years until the army got a new codex. I don't see how GW's past release plan was better than what they have now.
Yeah, I totally agree.
Incidentally, GW releases WAY, WAY more product now than they used to. The number of plastic models produced far outstrips the ability of most people to actually buy, build, and paint everything, even if they were so inclined, had no monetary constraints, and had nothing else to do with their lives And, this wasn't always the case.
It often feels like GW isn't producing stuff, just because they're not producing stuff for the factions we care about. And, look at how many factions there are now -- 23 for 40k and 21 for AoS. Even if you strip away all of the factions that haven't had anything new forever (like Sisters, Inquisition, Brettonians, etc.) and the ones that have almost no models... there are still like, 30+. That's a lot of time between things for the faction you want them to do stuff for!
Any real theory as to why they refuse to release the SoB's? There is a huge demand for new model SoB's, I believe raging heroes raised half a million for their version of them. Why does GW constantly neglect them? Would make for a massive codex too if they did the Inquisition with them.
mjl7atlas wrote: Any real theory as to why they refuse to release the SoB's? There is a huge demand for new model SoB's, I believe raging heroes raised half a million for their version of them. Why does GW constantly neglect them? Would make for a massive codex too if they did the Inquisition with them.
The metal models (mostly) still look good and the army was never that popular to begin with. However, I'm sure they are aware of the demand and I'm guessing they are in the early development stages for them....just a guess though. You gotta remember that doing Sisters of Battle would be a Dark Eldar scale release as you'd be making an entire factions' worth of plastic models and characters with - if I'm not mistaken - as many or more units than the full Skitarii + Cult Mechanicus forces, not including any new units they would likely add. Them and Chaos Space Marines are the two factions that require the largest updates by far and only the latter is seen as being a top seller (at least before their recent codices killed a lot of interest in them).
mjl7atlas wrote: Any real theory as to why they refuse to release the SoB's? There is a huge demand for new model SoB's, I believe raging heroes raised half a million for their version of them. Why does GW constantly neglect them? Would make for a massive codex too if they did the Inquisition with them.
The metal models (mostly) still look good and the army was never that popular to begin with. However, I'm sure they are aware of the demand and I'm guessing they are in the early development stages for them....just a guess though. You gotta remember that doing Sisters of Battle would be a Dark Eldar scale release as you'd be making an entire factions' worth of plastic models and characters with - if I'm not mistaken - as many or more units than the full Skitarii + Cult Mechanicus forces, not including any new units they would likely add. Them and Chaos Space Marines are the two factions that require the largest updates by far and only the latter is seen as being a top seller (at least before their recent codices killed a lot of interest in them).
An entire DE army treatment would be awesome. It would be the first time I ever purchased an army en masse, much liek most DE players did when they got released. I can't believe after seeing the admech/skittarrii that robes and details are a problem on the SoB's sprues. Just release them already GW!
So Sad Panda said that next year will have some 40k Tzeentch stuff, but not a codex or a Daemonkin. Atia said Rubric Marines are done. space wolves are due in February. So space wolves vs Thousands campaign then?
The more realistic reason is that they don't believe them financially viable. Unfortunately that's a Catch-22, they're not financially viable because they're a super-expensive metal (or resin) army with few options, and being a super-expensive metal (or resin) army with few options makes them not financially viable.
It's a shame really, because with a Dark Eldar-level shakeup they could become an amazing addition to 40K. I'd love to see that happen.
MacMuckles wrote: What do Space Wolves need that would warrant a release in February?
Super Scouts? Vehicle squadrons? You know, stuff that can be handled in a three page PDF. But they will probably get their super formation too. And that is all fine and dandy if my BA get an update in the next few months following too. Also my Ork brothers and Dark Eldar sisters. Because screw the idea that inferior codexes should exist.
Brometheus wrote:I hate to make people go bat-gak crazy, but Atia mentioned plastic Rubrics in a few posts on B&C. A few more down she said Rubrics are done.
So. That's cool.
Oh wow, hell to the *swear* yeah! If I'm not mistaken they would be the first Cult unit to get updated in a decade or so? Honestly if the models are good enough I'd probably be all over them even if they don't get a rules update.
The more realistic reason is that they don't believe them financially viable. Unfortunately that's a Catch-22, they're not financially viable because they're a super-expensive metal (or resin) army with few options, and being a super-expensive metal (or resin) army with few options makes them not financially viable.
It's a shame really, because with a Dark Eldar-level shakeup they could become an amazing addition to 40K. I'd love to see that happen.
This sums it up better than I did, people don't play the army because of how expensive and unwieldy it is, but similarly it would cost GW a fortune to make it in plastic and they probably don't have any true knowledge of whether it will be a big seller ala Adeptus Mechanicus.
mjl7atlas wrote: Any real theory as to why they refuse to release the SoB's? There is a huge demand for new model SoB's, I believe raging heroes raised half a million for their version of them. Why does GW constantly neglect them? Would make for a massive codex too if they did the Inquisition with them.
GW doesn't do market research and people tend to forget that the internet is a vocal minority.
The combination of those two factors means that GW is likely completely unaware of the demand for SoB, if it truly even exists. Maybe it doesn't- maybe Sisters aren't actually even all that popular compared to the other factions. Again, since GW doesn't do any research it's not like we have any statistics, and personal anecdotes are generally meaningless.
Brometheus wrote: I hate to make people go bat-gak crazy, but Atia mentioned plastic Rubrics in a few posts on B&C. A few more down she said Rubrics are done.
So. That's cool.
Out of curiousity could you link to her post, please?
Honestly I'm just waiting for Chaos update... I want so badly to rekindle my traitorous thoughts, but not with the current state of the Codex, and not with them still having models that I can remember when they were released, and I haven't played since 2000-ish. Like seriously, I remember the month the Khorne Berzerker plastic kit came out (and there was much rejoicing back then; I eagerly went to my FLGS to pick up a box), and I vaguely remember the plastic CSM squad coming out too although that was when I was getting out of the hobby.
"Space Wolves Wolf Lord" is likely what it will be labeled as.
Krom Dragongaze's rules only exist in the "Stormclaw" booklet, and they haven't reprinted Karlaen(the recent Blood Angels Terminator Captain) anywhere that I'm aware of.
I'd also suggest that we might see an Iron, Rune, or Wolf Priest clamshell.
We COULD potentially see a plastic Techmarine and Servitors box that could accept the various "Chapter Upgrade" sprues we've seen lately so people can make an Iron Priest.
Chikout wrote: So Sad Panda said that next year will have some 40k Tzeentch stuff, but not a codex or a Daemonkin. Atia said Rubric Marines are done. space wolves are due in February. So space wolves vs Thousands campaign then?
It'd be some good synergy with the 30K side, since signs point to the Prospero book being out later in 2016.
"Space Wolves Wolf Lord" is likely what it will be labeled as.
Krom Dragongaze's rules only exist in the "Stormclaw" booklet, and they haven't reprinted Karlaen(the recent Blood Angels Terminator Captain) anywhere that I'm aware of.
I'd also suggest that we might see an Iron, Rune, or Wolf Priest clamshell.
We COULD potentially see a plastic Techmarine and Servitors box that could accept the various "Chapter Upgrade" sprues we've seen lately so people can make an Iron Priest.
Karlaen received a Dataslate that had his rules in it recently. They will likely do the same for Krom. Release the model as a generic plastic Wolf Lord, then release a Dataslate so it can be used as Krom. It is actually not a terrible thing that they are doing this, it gives people that missed these miniatures a chance to get them. I get that there will be some sour grapes from the people that bought them thinking they were exclusive (the wording actually makes it pretty obvious they would be released later), but it is hardly the end of the world.
I am hoping they release the Strike Force Ultra Captain in Clampack form, I never got him.
As for a generic...thing that people could use the Chapter Upgrades to make, I don't think that will happen. Look at the Blood Angels exclusive Terminator Librarian and Chaplain, why make a single universal model when you can make two models? GW Logic.
I am still hoping that they will release upgrade sprue for some of the other Codex Space Marines armies. Wouldn't mind a Super Formation for each of the other Chapter Tactics in C:SM (and SW and BA) as well.
Brometheus wrote: I take a lot of stock in what Sad Panda said, but didn't someone on Warseer with a good record say that the LOC is done? Sorry, that ALL 4 demons are done?
Also, thanks again Sad Panda. We know that you don't have to post anything at all.
I could do without Tzeentch Daemonkin but I am praying for some sort of 40kTS goodness as I am sure plenty other people are.
To be fair to Sad Panda, the models and molds could be done but they just haven't started producing the actual stock.
Just a possible explanation.
Generally they are 1-2 years ahead. So stuff coming out was 100% done 1-2 years ago. I even found one when the last warriors of chaos book was released the Throgg model had a 2010 date on the sprue for the copyright info
No, I understand that.
But what I'm saying is that the masters and molds? They could be finished. They might simply not have produced the actual stock yet that they would then start shipping to stores.
It's also worth noting that they seem to be doing a lot more with CAD now. Nobody had any real clue about the two new clamshells that just got released, or the two character models for the Tau campaign stuff.
They very well could have started and finished the design process in a manner of months.
I was just adding to the validity of your statement not trying to take away from it.
Oh well, at least we still have Daemons for now... Right?
They really messed up by not making Daemonkin have rules for the World Eaters in it. It really should have had Khârn in it so people could use it to run a WE army. They could then make a new book for each of the god-dedicated legions (Daemonkin books for Tzeentch Thousand Sons, Slaanesh Emperor's Children, and Juggle Death Guard). Release updates to the god-specific kits (possibly with legion upgrade sprues). They could then make a Chaos Undivided book last for the other legions. Instead GW is just leaving money on the table because stupid.
Chikout wrote: So Sad Panda said that next year will have some 40k Tzeentch stuff, but not a codex or a Daemonkin. Atia said Rubric Marines are done. space wolves are due in February. So space wolves vs Thousands campaign then?
Link to Atia's post?
edit: Oh, I see it now. Never comes out and says it though.
Isn't it possible she's talking about the hh thousand sons we saw a picture of awhile back, rather than gw ones?
That would be a shame, as I'm hoping for some formation or something to make them relevant again, and if she was just speaking of the hh tsons that's not gonna happen.
I won't buy the models with their gak rules the way they are and I'm sure most won't. I want to, but I just can't do it.
I remember they used to release multiple kits for factions all at the same time, I guess so customers can field them at once in their armies.
Now it seems like they release 1 or 2 kits for a faction, then wait a while and release another kit, then wait a while for another.
Are they just releasing less product and spreading out the releases?
You seem to misremember how GW used to release product. Yes, they did drop multiple kits at a time but they only did that once a month instead of the one or two a week that they do now. If there was too much for a single release, then you had to wait a month for the next release. Then you'd be lucky to see anything for your army at all for a few years until the army got a new codex. I don't see how GW's past release plan was better than what they have now.
Yeah, I totally agree.
Incidentally, GW releases WAY, WAY more product now than they used to. The number of plastic models produced far outstrips the ability of most people to actually buy, build, and paint everything, even if they were so inclined, had no monetary constraints, and had nothing else to do with their lives And, this wasn't always the case.
It often feels like GW isn't producing stuff, just because they're not producing stuff for the factions we care about. And, look at how many factions there are now -- 23 for 40k and 21 for AoS. Even if you strip away all of the factions that haven't had anything new forever (like Sisters, Inquisition, Brettonians, etc.) and the ones that have almost no models... there are still like, 30+. That's a lot of time between things for the faction you want them to do stuff for!
Except it seems everything is about space marines, and only certain ones at that.
I mean you got Khorne Berzerkers, which are so old, some I am not even sure have models anymore (Iron Hands) and models who aren't space marines who were in popular armies and haven't got new models (High and Dark elf spearmen).
Ranges that haven't been touched but a rehashing of the same stuff over and over. Or just new stuff for those ranges and a neglecting of the older ranges (Marauders are still pretty ugly, the chaos warriors are alright but still pretty damn old, but fantasy is a whole other piece of insanity).
Maybe if they put energy and effort into the neglected armies people would buy them, vs instead throwing out more useless garbage, giant ugly monsters and another space marine or space marine looking army.
Space Marines aren't that cool, they don't look that cool, and they have no personality (as an army or as characters in stories).
Remember that movie?
"Space Wolves Wolf Lord" is likely what it will be labeled as.
Krom Dragongaze's rules only exist in the "Stormclaw" booklet, and they haven't reprinted Karlaen(the recent Blood Angels Terminator Captain) anywhere that I'm aware of.
I'd also suggest that we might see an Iron, Rune, or Wolf Priest clamshell.
We COULD potentially see a plastic Techmarine and Servitors box that could accept the various "Chapter Upgrade" sprues we've seen lately so people can make an Iron Priest.
Karlaen received a Dataslate that had his rules in it recently. They will likely do the same for Krom. Release the model as a generic plastic Wolf Lord, then release a Dataslate so it can be used as Krom. It is actually not a terrible thing that they are doing this, it gives people that missed these miniatures a chance to get them. I get that there will be some sour grapes from the people that bought them thinking they were exclusive (the wording actually makes it pretty obvious they would be released later), but it is hardly the end of the world.
That explains it. I don't pay attention to Dataslates.
I am hoping they release the Strike Force Ultra Captain in Clampack form, I never got him.
Hardly anyone got him. Strike Force Ultra was produced in really small numbers, and most of the local copies I saw that got sold? They were able to flog the Captain on eBay to cover the costs pretty quick.
As for a generic...thing that people could use the Chapter Upgrades to make, I don't think that will happen. Look at the Blood Angels exclusive Terminator Librarian and Chaplain, why make a single universal model when you can make two models? GW Logic.
By that logic, there was no reason for them to release the Terminator Librarian with Dark Angels as "generic" when they could have slathered him in iconography.
When it suits their purposes? They'll release generics even in the midst of a specific book's release.
For whatever reason though, they keep making Blood Angels specific models. The Terminator Librarian you're referring to was a CAD resculpt of the Space Hulk Librarian, released alongside the Blood Angels book because...well, who knows.
Techmarines though? Techmarines are pretty aged kits, same with the Servitors. We just saw Guard get a plastic Techpriest model with no Servitors(which was kinda surprising to be honest), but if Techmarines are to get a plastic kit I would be VERY surprised to see them not include plastic Servitors.
I am still hoping that they will release upgrade sprue for some of the other Codex Space Marines armies. Wouldn't mind a Super Formation for each of the other Chapter Tactics in C:SM (and SW and BA) as well.
There aren't really many "upgrade sprues" that need to be done for other Codex: Space Marines armies.
Iron Hands and Raven Guard are the only ones who really might "need" them(and STILL don't have their own set of transfers from GW proper, instead having to buy from Forge World). Iron Hands though can skirt around that by creative use of the cybernetics bits from the various Space Marine kits and Raven Guard can also kinda/sorta skirt around it by using the "eagle" iconography in the Vanguard/Sternguard kits and as many Corvus helmets as you can get your hands on.
"Space Wolves Wolf Lord" is likely what it will be labeled as.
Krom Dragongaze's rules only exist in the "Stormclaw" booklet, and they haven't reprinted Karlaen(the recent Blood Angels Terminator Captain) anywhere that I'm aware of.
I'd also suggest that we might see an Iron, Rune, or Wolf Priest clamshell.
We COULD potentially see a plastic Techmarine and Servitors box that could accept the various "Chapter Upgrade" sprues we've seen lately so people can make an Iron Priest.
Karlaen received a Dataslate that had his rules in it recently. They will likely do the same for Krom. Release the model as a generic plastic Wolf Lord, then release a Dataslate so it can be used as Krom. It is actually not a terrible thing that they are doing this, it gives people that missed these miniatures a chance to get them. I get that there will be some sour grapes from the people that bought them thinking they were exclusive (the wording actually makes it pretty obvious they would be released later), but it is hardly the end of the world.
That explains it. I don't pay attention to Dataslates.
I am hoping they release the Strike Force Ultra Captain in Clampack form, I never got him.
Hardly anyone got him. Strike Force Ultra was produced in really small numbers, and most of the local copies I saw that got sold? They were able to flog the Captain on eBay to cover the costs pretty quick.
As for a generic...thing that people could use the Chapter Upgrades to make, I don't think that will happen. Look at the Blood Angels exclusive Terminator Librarian and Chaplain, why make a single universal model when you can make two models? GW Logic.
By that logic, there was no reason for them to release the Terminator Librarian with Dark Angels as "generic" when they could have slathered him in iconography.
When it suits their purposes? They'll release generics even in the midst of a specific book's release.
For whatever reason though, they keep making Blood Angels specific models. The Terminator Librarian you're referring to was a CAD resculpt of the Space Hulk Librarian, released alongside the Blood Angels book because...well, who knows.
Techmarines though? Techmarines are pretty aged kits, same with the Servitors. We just saw Guard get a plastic Techpriest model with no Servitors(which was kinda surprising to be honest), but if Techmarines are to get a plastic kit I would be VERY surprised to see them not include plastic Servitors.
I am still hoping that they will release upgrade sprue for some of the other Codex Space Marines armies. Wouldn't mind a Super Formation for each of the other Chapter Tactics in C:SM (and SW and BA) as well.
There aren't really many "upgrade sprues" that need to be done for other Codex: Space Marines armies.
Iron Hands and Raven Guard are the only ones who really might "need" them(and STILL don't have their own set of transfers from GW proper, instead having to buy from Forge World). Iron Hands though can skirt around that by creative use of the cybernetics bits from the various Space Marine kits and Raven Guard can also kinda/sorta skirt around it by using the "eagle" iconography in the Vanguard/Sternguard kits and as many Corvus helmets as you can get your hands on.
It is hard to say why BA keep getting unique models. Perhaps GW thinks that they aren't selling because they don't have enough cool product out there, not because their rules are awful and they are basically unplayable in the current state of the game. Watch, the next model that gets updated into plastic, such as the Techmarine, will be a BA-branded version and be covered with all sorts of blood drops and wings. Even the servitude will have blood drops all over them.
I wouldn't mind seeing the existing upgrade sets get transitioned into plastic. Self-servingly, I would like to see Imperial Fists, but I want all the other First Founding Chapters to have upgrade sets as well. It can't take much work to put a small sprue together.
Plastic Rubrics.... too little too late to keep my interest. Reckon they will be no different to the current line of available pieces and no doubt more expensive.
Not even holding onto hope that the chaos codex will in any way be good. I expect it'll be a slight shuffling around of points and fluff without any real meaningful contribution - a la Dark Eldar - another army I shelved.
Edit: I tell an untruth. The Dark Eldar are not shelved... they're boxed and ready to sell. The same is true for my Plague Marine force with Typhus and the small Dark Angel force won't be far behind I reckon.
That leaves me with the Thousand Sons (who I simply just like the models of and the fluff), Deathwatch and Orks - we'll see where we go from there.
I'd comment on how little the Chaos Space Marines recieved in their last update, but I'd rather waste my time on something slightly more important. Games Workshop seems to only be interested in promoting armies that make money, even though these armies only make money because of how much they're being promoted. It's a cycle that Games Workshop has made and continues to make. Maybe if they decided to flesh out the traitor legions in the tabletop game the way they've chosen to flesh out the loyalists... We'd see CSM players everywhere and new codex releases every 2 years guaranteed. Their lack of interest causes ours. They have never understood this. I know I'm being captain obvious here, and this has horse has been beaten to death, but whenever I become interested in 40k again this becomes an issue.
Quarterdime wrote: Games Workshop seems to only be interested in promoting armies that make money, even though these armies only make money because of how much they're being promoted.
The idea that GW (or any company) can influence the demand-side of things is pretty stupid.
Up until 2013 or so, GW released exactly the same amount of stuff (army books, miniatures, etc..) for both Fantasy and 40K, yet "demand" certainly wasn't equal.
The most promoted army of 2015 were Stormcast, but they clearly aren't the most sought-after and played.
Dreadfleet and Space Hulk got exactly the same amount of support and promotion (arguably, Dreadfleet got more), but demand was very different.
Hell, even other companies. Star Trek Attack Wing gets a lot more releases than X-Wing, but that doesn't seem to be carry into the demand-side of things.
GW has no influence over what people buy. Hell, if GW actually did market research, they'd probably be pushing Marines even harder than they do now and would never have done things like the Dark Eldar re-boot.
It's of course not enough just promoting things if at the end of the day the product isn't what people want. (Case in point AoS Sigmaines).
But if there is interest among the fanbase that isn't cultivated by releasing stuff matching the interest, eventually the interest vanes.
Dark Eldar is a prime example of how different the interest in a faction is if it's neglected for years, compared to when it receives some attention and quality product is released.
Zywus wrote: It's of course not enough just promoting things if at the end of the day the product isn't what people want. (Case in point AoS Sigmaines).
You say "of course", but that is not what has been said. To quote it again, it was a monocausal argument.
Quarterdime wrote: even though these armies only make money because of how much they're being promoted.
Once you have a multi-causal model, where not only GW-promotion but also a certain threshold of pre-existing demand (or lack thereof), independent of GW's promotion, is factored in, things immediately look different.
And there are people who like Sigmarines. Plenty pictures of painted Sigmarine armies, even on Dakka.
If GW squats Sigmarines again, because there weren't enough people buying Sigmarine to justify them sticking around, some people will get angry/sad/disillusioned/etc.., Doesn't mean there're enough of them to justify keeping the range.
The same might be true for Sisters or possibly even for CSMs. Not likely, but we don't have the numbers, so it might (!) be the case.
Zywus wrote: It's of course not enough just promoting things if at the end of the day the product isn't what people want. (Case in point AoS Sigmaines).
You say "of course", but that is not what has been said. To quote it again, it was a monocausal argument.
Quarterdime wrote: even though these armies only make money because of how much they're being promoted.
Once you have a multi-causal model, where not only GW-promotion but also a certain threshold of pre-existing demand (or lack thereof), independent of GW's promotion, is factored in, things immediately look different.
Emphasis mine. You argue that a monocausal argument is incorrect, and reply with an equally incorrect monocausal argument. I mean what are you trying to say, people have inbuilt, genetic desires for models with huge pauldrons, and the quality and variety of GW's offerings are irrelevant except where they happen to line up with this already-present, unchanging need? (actually the way kids buy space marines, there might be something to that...)
You were attacking a bit of a straw man anyway, the gist of the original post was that GW misses opportunities because they think things aren't popular, when at least sometimes factions aren't popular specifically because GW fails to support them. There's evidence for this (Dark Eldar are the poster children, but also Necrons and Grey Knights, even the Raging Heroes SoB kickstarter) and trying to say otherwise is foolish.
Emphasis mine. You argue that a monocausal argument is incorrect, and reply with an equally incorrect monocausal argument. I mean what are you trying to say, people have inbuilt, genetic desires for models with huge pauldrons, and the quality and variety of GW's offerings are irrelevant except where they happen to line up with this already-present, unchanging need? (actually the way kids buy space marines, there might be something to that...)
You were attacking a bit of a straw man anyway, the gist of the original post was that GW misses opportunities because they think things aren't popular, when at least sometimes factions aren't popular specifically because GW fails to support them. There's evidence for this (Dark Eldar are the poster children, but also Necrons and Grey Knights, even the Raging Heroes SoB kickstarter) and trying to say otherwise is foolish.
Yes. Space Marines were successful and GW ran with it. Just like Corvus Belli ran in Infinity and dropped their historical, etc..
If 7 out of 10 customers buy Space Marines, you'll make 7 out of 10 books/miniatures/etc.. a Space Marine.
GW probably still underserves the Space Marines, measured to their relative popularity, rather than giving them the same share in their release as their popularity would warrant. Part of the reason FW is making so much money with the excess demand for Space Marines stuff while their seems to be no excess demand for Dark Eldar stuff.
And for everyone of your examples, there are 20 examples of stuff that didn't sell despite "equal promotion", even assuming the Dark Eldar thing was a success. They aren't exactly a popular army and it's not unlikely, GW might've fared better squatting them. Same for the more recent Harlequins-reboot.
Saying GW neglects or outright discontinues some armies out of simple spite, not out of economic reasons, seems silly. A vocal online-presence doesn't equate to a broad customer base and armies simply might not have sold sufficiently in the first place, even if a few (too few) hobbyists loved them.
Both Beastmen and Bretonnia have become unpopular over the years - with a lack of customers who continuously purchase the products from the 2 armies, I staunchly believe that the current models will be discontinued.
However, this does not indicate that they will be gone forever. It could be probable that they might receive a reboot.
LOC is confirmed. Yes, GW designs and makes models a year or 2 before the actual "release" of the product. All 4 greater demons were made before the end times. But GW postponed their releases because
a) the end times
b) other product releases (Nagash etc.)
c) possibility of rebooting Fantasy
Like my previous statements, GW can abruptly make changes to their original planning - the Glottkin was supposed to be a GUO. Now it's a character model.
LOC and KOS are not yet released. BT was released because the final end times mainly focused on Khorne, ergo BT was thrown into the list of releases during the end times.
Because 2016 will focus on Tzeentch, it is confirmed that LOC will be released. KOS is debatable, but LOC is confirmed
Quarterdime wrote: Games Workshop seems to only be interested in promoting armies that make money, even though these armies only make money because of how much they're being promoted.
The idea that GW (or any company) can influence the demand-side of things is pretty stupid.
But not as stupid as trying to argue that a producer of an item can do nothing to stimuate demand for that item.
You're essentialy saying that advertising is irrelevant (and not just to GW.) When anyone who knows what they're talking about is aware that only half of it is.
There are literally so many things wrong just with this statement I could write an essay, but hey, it'd be off topic and you'd probably just wilfully (or otherwise) misunderstand it.
Let's just put it down to it being a Saturday and Zwei saying something controversial to make a thread all about him because he's bored and leave it at that?
mjl7atlas wrote: Any real theory as to why they refuse to release the SoB's? There is a huge demand for new model SoB's, I believe raging heroes raised half a million for their version of them. Why does GW constantly neglect them? Would make for a massive codex too if they did the Inquisition with them.
GW doesn't do market research and people tend to forget that the internet is a vocal minority.
The combination of those two factors means that GW is likely completely unaware of the demand for SoB, if it truly even exists. Maybe it doesn't- maybe Sisters aren't actually even all that popular compared to the other factions. Again, since GW doesn't do any research it's not like we have any statistics, and personal anecdotes are generally meaningless.
Oh please. The old "vocal minority" schtick is about a decade out of date. Just about everyone in this hobby in the western world has a mini pc in their pocket.
Feel free to enjoy the summer of '16 before checking back. Minimum. We're talking the long game.
Boo! It's almost Christmas! Can't you just lie or something!?
BOLS, when are Rubrics coming?
BoL(lock)S wrote: Nvs I think you'll find they are to be released November 31.
Disregard the fact that it's already December and that there's no such day as Nov 31.
Feel free to enjoy the summer of '16 before checking back. Minimum. We're talking the long game.
I've got to ask since youve got the inside information, can you shed any light on how and why the decisions are made as to what armies get updated and when? I don't mean it in the "my army gets screwed" way, I'm genuinely curious. It seems arbitrary, but surely they have good reasons for the decisions.
Actually, I am a SoB player no more. I still own an army, but I just never play it. I do not own the current rulebook, I don't know much about the new codex (I just know they are a massive PITA where when you see some model, you have no idea what their rules are because they get a ton of terrible stupid rules that comes out of formation non-sense).
I am a TROLLBLOOD player now.
Grimtuff wrote: Oh please. The old "vocal minority" schtick is about a decade out of date. Just about everyone in this hobby in the western world has a mini pc in their pocket.
Pretty sure the “vocal minority” is not about people with access to the internet, but about people choosing to dedicate time to post messages on forums about their miniatures.
Yes, and the fewer barriers there are, the more inclined people will be to do so. Therefore the easier the access to the Internet is, the more representative the vocal "minority" becomes.
I also think we need a name for the law that the longer an Internet thread about non-specific future 40K releases continues, the chance that SoB players will make it all about them approaches 1.
I also think we need a name for the law that the longer an Internet thread about non-specific future 40K releases continues, the chance that SoB players will make it all about them approaches 1.
Make sure the equation includes the duration it takes to arrive at the inevitable "bewbplate" discussion, as well.
At this point, I'm starting to realise that when GW gave Chaos Marines the VotLW upgrade, it's really meant to represent the wait that Chaos players endure before getting an actual codex release.
Azreal13 wrote: Yes, and the fewer barriers there are, the more inclined people will be to do so. Therefore the easier the access to the Internet is, the more representative the vocal "minority" becomes.
I also think we need a name for the law that the longer an Internet thread about non-specific future 40K releases continues, the chance that SoB players will make it all about them approaches 1.
Experiment 626 wrote: At this point, I'm starting to realise that when GW gave Chaos Marines the VotLW upgrade, it's really meant to represent the wait that Chaos players endure before getting an actual codex release.
Age of Sigmar terrain boards are almost certain. For the first time in a while, I went to my GW store today (they're not anywhere close to where I work or live, so it's rare), and I saw this on display:
They are definitely plastic, and they seem pretty nice. It does say SIGMAR on the lava bridge... When I asked about it, the GW guys said it came with their stuff to display AoS. They thought surely it would go on sale before Christmas, but no such luck.
Yeah, yeah, we've seen lots of photos of these in the books and online, so it's not really news, sorry But it was cool to see them in person.
Incidentally, humorously, I saw a little 8.5x11 poster that had 3 small boxes with photos across the top with labels that read something like "Assemble", "Paint", "Play" and then a giant thing that filled 2/3 of the page that said "Collect", lol (I may be misremembering the exact words of each title, but it's pretty close to that). Wonder where their minds are?
Dont know if anyone else feels / see's it this way but if they are going to do a CSM overhaul - I'd like to see 6 codex's - one for each of the four powers
including the marines , daemons and cults - one for chaos undivided marines and cults and one stand alone codex for the Alpha legion with marines,
allies, agents and the possibility of some xenos / strange equipment.
I'm not a csm player, but for anyone who reads any of the Horus Heresy novels I think some might agree that the legacy of the Alpha legion has
a real scope for some more abstract possibilities.
GW - if your reading pay attention - free ideas here!
I'm just going to leave something here, but while I definitely don't want to be a rumor-guy, I did think it worth sharing something I heard repeated a few times today in circles that might know (the same folks who mentioned how multi-wound monster multi-profiles would work in Age of Sigmar well before we knew what that game was actually like... so I give them some credence).
Apparently "something" nasty is brewing involving 40k and reps are beginning to try to hype up bigger retail stores regarding it (or rather they are starting by talking to high-volume stores).
All I gleaned was that it isn't a new edition, it isn't a new army, and when sarcastically pressed about all the things players would actually want (IE better pricing, etc...) I was ensured it wasn't any of those things.
Whatever it is, it is supposed to be very big, however, and should be discussed by the end of January.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: I'm just going to leave something here, but while I definitely don't want to be a rumor-guy, I did think it worth sharing something I heard repeated a few times today in circles that might know (the same folks who mentioned how multi-wound monster multi-profiles would work in Age of Sigmar well before we knew what that game was actually like... so I give them some credence).
Apparently "something" nasty is brewing involving 40k and reps are beginning to try to hype up bigger retail stores regarding it (or rather they are starting by talking to high-volume stores).
All I gleaned was that it isn't a new edition, it isn't a new army, and when sarcastically pressed about all the things players would actually want (IE better pricing, etc...) I was ensured it wasn't any of those things.
Whatever it is, it is supposed to be very big, however, and should be discussed by the end of January.
Switching to square bases so the models can be moved around on trays easier. It'll make apocalypse games go faster removing squads by trays.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: I'm just going to leave something here, but while I definitely don't want to be a rumor-guy, I did think it worth sharing something I heard repeated a few times today in circles that might know (the same folks who mentioned how multi-wound monster multi-profiles would work in Age of Sigmar well before we knew what that game was actually like... so I give them some credence).
Apparently "something" nasty is brewing involving 40k and reps are beginning to try to hype up bigger retail stores regarding it (or rather they are starting by talking to high-volume stores).
All I gleaned was that it isn't a new edition, it isn't a new army, and when sarcastically pressed about all the things players would actually want (IE better pricing, etc...) I was ensured it wasn't any of those things.
Whatever it is, it is supposed to be very big, however, and should be discussed by the end of January.
I didn't see this posted elsewhere so I'm dropping it here. A bunch of "battalion" style boxed sets are going to be up for sale. Some are better value than others but basically you get a free HQ for the price.
Hmmm, I kinda want the Space Marine one for that SFU Terminator Captain, but I will just watch for him to show up on eBay. I don't need another Tactical Squad, and definitely don't need/want another Dreadnought.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: I'm just going to leave something here, but while I definitely don't want to be a rumor-guy, I did think it worth sharing something I heard repeated a few times today in circles that might know (the same folks who mentioned how multi-wound monster multi-profiles would work in Age of Sigmar well before we knew what that game was actually like... so I give them some credence).
Apparently "something" nasty is brewing involving 40k and reps are beginning to try to hype up bigger retail stores regarding it (or rather they are starting by talking to high-volume stores).
All I gleaned was that it isn't a new edition, it isn't a new army, and when sarcastically pressed about all the things players would actually want (IE better pricing, etc...) I was ensured it wasn't any of those things.
Whatever it is, it is supposed to be very big, however, and should be discussed by the end of January.
Ooh, now *that's* a rumour! What could it be? A change in the trade terms? Boring but potentially nasty, and i could see them needing to hype their bigger customers to get on board with it. Another idea i can think of involves this game i found once on the net, where it was a ttmg but the game mechanics/resolution was handled by a computer, and when you bought your minis you had to 'register' them with the official company website to get them to be playable in your individual army/software. It's a lot of a stretch, but that would be nasty if they brought that to 40k. Bring on january, this could prove interesting.
casvalremdeikun wrote: Hmmm, I kinda want the Space Marine one for that SFU Terminator Captain, but I will just watch for him to show up on eBay. I don't need another Tactical Squad, and definitely don't need/want another Dreadnought.
Weighing in at around 45% off, I think I'm going to have to pick up the Tau Battalion box.
casvalremdeikun wrote: Hmmm, I kinda want the Space Marine one for that SFU Terminator Captain, but I will just watch for him to show up on eBay. I don't need another Tactical Squad, and definitely don't need/want another Dreadnought.
Weighing in at around 45% off, I think I'm going to have to pick up the Tau Battalion box.
I see that the bundle prices are $85 USD. That is a fairly good deal, though I really don't need anything from them. Worst part is that eBayers are going to charge like $40 USD for that captain. I wouldn't MIND another Dreadnought, but I don't even run the one I have. Getting another Tactical Squad would bring me closer to having a full Battle Company, though.
I kinda wish they had a Blood Angels box. Though it would probably have one of the HQs I already have.
~40% off for the AdMech box. Given that I already have a Knight and a friend is offering some AdMech stuff NIB at a discount, a War Convocation doesn't sound too bad...
And age of blandmar mk2 returns. However I think its stopping discounts from other retail outlets
That would effect more than just 40k. Reps hyping up larger retail stores sounds like something to do with the whole specialist games being brought back to life with a shift towards targeting the booming board game market.
Perhaps we are about to see the return of something akin to Space Crusade.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: I'm just going to leave something here, but while I definitely don't want to be a rumor-guy, I did think it worth sharing something I heard repeated a few times today in circles that might know (the same folks who mentioned how multi-wound monster multi-profiles would work in Age of Sigmar well before we knew what that game was actually like... so I give them some credence).
Apparently "something" nasty is brewing involving 40k and reps are beginning to try to hype up bigger retail stores regarding it (or rather they are starting by talking to high-volume stores).
All I gleaned was that it isn't a new edition, it isn't a new army, and when sarcastically pressed about all the things players would actually want (IE better pricing, etc...) I was ensured it wasn't any of those things.
Whatever it is, it is supposed to be very big, however, and should be discussed by the end of January.
The only thing I can think to add regarding the rumor I was hearing was that it was something this particular retailer "thought was a good idea, for a long time, but didn't expect."
I try to keep my hype tempered though, as one of the two places I heard these very similar whisperings was a large-volume seller of Warmahordes product, who essentially stocks and supports almost nothing else.
If its something 40k related that would get a Warmahordes vender enthused about stocking more 40k... well, I just don't know.
The other source I heard stuff from was the guy who drip-fed me Age of Sigmar stuff before the dam broke regarding its news.
Breotan wrote: I didn't see this posted elsewhere so I'm dropping it here. A bunch of "battalion" style boxed sets are going to be up for sale. Some are better value than others but basically you get a free HQ for the price.
From Facebook.
I have a feeling that this might be what you heard about.
Small boxes that might have some kind of formation rules in the box allowing for players to use them straight out of the box without worrying about meeting the CAD requirements.
The individual using the term intended it to mean "big/unexpected", from the context he used it in. Both made it sound like something good, both specifically said it wasn't a new edition of rules, points rebalances, etc...
The store owner also jokingly said it wasn't "actual play-testing" when prodded about it. :-p
As Kanluwen above says, it might indeed be something like those proper "starter" boxes, which I know have been big sellers in Warmahordes (the Army-in-a-Box sets), and likewise would offer a few more accessible SKUs to lure in new players?
We'll probably find out soon, and if it is indeed those starters I suspect i'll hear it confirmed today.
I'm calling right now: Plastic Thunderhawks formation. $2500 USD but will have four kits, with 90% of the bits you need, and a new, box deal only, formation where the Thunderhawks cost 125pts each, get free upgrades, can spawn Tac squads and Dreads, and all their weapons are S : D as long as more than one Thunderhawk is alive.
I think it could well do, especially if they are going to be sticking around rather than sold out and gone like stormclaw.
There's been such ridicule about GWs 'no saving' 1 click bundles that bundles with a decent saving always being around would be a big thing
(plus making it much easier to tempt a new player with nothing for that particular army to take the plunge. Veterans will never be as enthusiastic as they'll usually have some of it already so not get the full benefit of the saving)
I don't know? I know a lot of FLGS decry 40k and GW for being inexplicable to new prospective customers, etc... I guess from a vendor perspective this could be "big"?
I wouldn't call it such, if that is what it is... only because I feel like GW needs to do major triage on 40k to ensure its most loyal/vocal fans are happy first. In a world where more and more folks are discovering just how excellent many other rules systems are, 40k is just bloated, clunky, unbalanced, etc...
A serious effort to rein it in, and garner some good will would be a better step towards eventual new players (by first earning positive word of mouth). But what do I know. :-p
Would help to know if this were a crunch thing or a fluff thing (I've a big campaign or something.)
- Plastic thunderhawk sure would be nasty on the price!!!
As far as the army boxes go - there's a release schedule on http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/ that shows the percentage saving compared to buying separately averageing 20 - 30 something percent
If that price list is right, the Skitarii box is a friggin' amazing deal.
$85 for an Onager Dunecrawler, a box of Skitarii Vanguard/Rangers, and a Techpriest Dominus?
WHY WOULD I EVER BUY A DUNECRAWLER BY ITSELF!
This is definitely making me think more and more that this is it, as one of the big complaints that I've personally heard is that there's no decent "box" that someone can pick up as a gift/starting point.
Kanluwen wrote: If that price list is right, the Skitarii box is a friggin' amazing deal.
$85 for an Onager Dunecrawler, a box of Skitarii Vanguard/Rangers, and a Techpriest Dominus?
WHY WOULD I EVER BUY A DUNECRAWLER BY ITSELF!
This is definitely making me think more and more that this is it, as one of the big complaints that I've personally heard is that there's no decent "box" that someone can pick up as a gift/starting point.
Between affordable starter boxes, and the new Gamer’s edition digital rules, the price of getting new blood into the hobby is a lot lower. Which is a good thing. If GW can shift to selling more reasonably priced boxes to more people, as opposed to squeezing a smaller number of old guard for fewer, expensive boxes, I think everyone will be happy.
I know I’ll be.
More player mean just that: more opponents for the game. And reasonable prices means I can add more stuff to my armies without selling organs on the black market.
Would help to know if this were a crunch thing or a fluff thing (I've a big campaign or something.)
- Plastic thunderhawk sure would be nasty on the price!!!
As far as the army boxes go - there's a release schedule on http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/ that shows the
percentage saving compared to buying separately averageing 20 - 30 something percent
If it's on natfka, I won't be clicking.
Is it an actual document, or a post citing an "anonymous source?"
I love the way they've put the approx. discount in the description for the maths adverse,
I wonder if they're just set up to hit the price point, or if the more heavily discounted stuff is the slowest selling normally and they've priced it to move
Really glad they are bringing back more affordable entry armies. Sure dark vengeance is value for money but it's not balanced and its it's incredibly vanilla. With sets like these you may encourage more players who aren't interested in any type of marine.
These deals are a great starting point, but they continue to highlight GWs lack of knowledge about their own products and customer base. Start collecting Orks by paying $85 for 17 models? K.
Kirasu wrote: Hm, 12 space marines is a "deal" at 85$? I guess I haven't bought models in a while..
Tac squad $40 Ven Dread $46.25 Mono-pose plastic HQ ~$30 <-- this is the horrible thing.
It’s interesting that the current SM battleforce (Tac squad, reg. dread, mono-pose captain) Sells for $100. The one listed here has the venerable dread, rather then the basic one (wash, price wise, but a better kit), and a terminator character, rather then the lame c-grav captain. For $15 less
Dendarien wrote: These deals are a great starting point, but they continue to highlight GWs lack of knowledge about their own products and customer base. Start collecting Orks by paying $85 for 17 models? K.
Well, that'd be Orcs, and pretty in line with starting AoS. The force wouldn't be too bad to play a couple games with, and then if you like it you buy trolls or an arachnarok spider or some other big, fierce unit.
That Tau set is crazy good value. The new Crisis are $75 so for 10 more you get an Ethereal and a unit of Fire Warriors. I was going to put my purchasing on hold but looks like there is going to be more Tau waiting to be assembled and painted in the near future. Seems odd to release starter sets AFTER the holidays but maybe they wanted Betrayal at Calth to be the big ticket item for December. The Necron starter seems somewhat lackluster when they already have a fairly good battleforce still in production.
Shame they didn't have an Ork starter box. The mekmob was a dumpster fire of a bundle and the old Ork battleforce didn't really offer much in terms of savings. Would really love to see what kind of a formation the Orks would of gotten in such a box.
Something big and nasty for 40k?
Well, they need to get rid of Slaanesh in 40k as well...
Perhaps those nifty Harlequins actually pull of their plot to get slaanesh out of the way.
So these are orderable from normal retailers or direct only?
As it is the Skitarri and Lizardmen sets are amazing deals. I mean you basically buy a Carnosaur and get cold one calvary and a box of warriors for free.
Hulksmash wrote: So these are orderable from normal retailers or direct only?
This is the same retailers list that gets posted whenever new stuff is coming out, and a lot of it is not stuff that I could ever see them actually selling(6-packs of spray cans) to customers...but y'never know.
As it is the Skitarri and Lizardmen sets are amazing deals. I mean you basically buy a Carnosaur and get cold one calvary and a box of warriors for free.
I cannot think of a single one of these boxes that isn't an amazing deal.
Hulksmash wrote: So these are orderable from normal retailers or direct only?
As it is the Skitarri and Lizardmen sets are amazing deals. I mean you basically buy a Carnosaur and get cold one calvary and a box of warriors for free.
If you can get them from a retailer, that would be amazing. 25% off an already good deal is a super deal.
pretre wrote: If you can get them from a retailer, that would be amazing. 25% off an already good deal is a super deal.
Yes, it certainly is. Look at that Tau Battalion and think of only paying $63.75 + tax for it. Yea, I'm pretty sure I'll be grabbing one as soon as they hit the street.
Hulksmash wrote: So these are orderable from normal retailers or direct only?
As it is the Skitarri and Lizardmen sets are amazing deals. I mean you basically buy a Carnosaur and get cold one calvary and a box of warriors for free.
If you can get them from a retailer, that would be amazing. 25% off an already good deal is a super deal.
Yes, you can get it from a retailer. It's RTD (the Route to Market column). The items that are web-only are marked D.
Hulksmash wrote: So these are orderable from normal retailers or direct only?
As it is the Skitarri and Lizardmen sets are amazing deals. I mean you basically buy a Carnosaur and get cold one calvary and a box of warriors for free.
If you can get them from a retailer, that would be amazing. 25% off an already good deal is a super deal.
Yes, you can get it from a retailer. It's RTD (the Route to Market column). The items that are web-only are marked D.
That puts the Skitarii deal at 45% of Retail before shipping. Nice.
It's good money, sure, but not exactly an interesting deal. The Skitarii one is better looking, if a bit odd, containing models from two different armies.
BrookM wrote: It's good money, sure, but not exactly an interesting deal. The Skitarii one is better looking, if a bit odd, containing models from two different armies.
That's why I'm sincerely thinking that there is going to be Formation rules contained within the sets, much like the recent Burning Dawn and Shadow Force Solaq sets.
Its kinda bad when even GW is struggling to justify the split between the Skitarii and Cult Mech codex when they can't even keep the starter bundle contained to models from one codex.
Vankraken wrote: Its kinda bad when even GW is struggling to justify the split between the Skitarii and Cult Mech codex when they can't even keep the starter bundle contained to models from one codex.
Actually it is great marketing, and excellent deal towards a great formation that requires 3 books to play, which goes full circle to marketing.
Personally - I'd reckon the 'something big' will be 30k range in stores and broadened out. Or the fabled return of Specialist games?
I say this because remembering from posts here and there of what supposedly is and isn't confirmed as fact (and please correct me if I've miss quoted / remembered here)
#1 - There is defiantly no 40k 'end times' coming. quoting what's been banded about for a while.
#2 - 30k range was planned to come dependent on the sales of the calth box - good sales meant sooner.
#3 - Don't think the Deathwatch game counts as that big??? What anyone else reckon?
- Further on from that If they do do a Genestealer cult army - is that big? I hope they do it but 'big'?
#5 - On the specialist games front - If the talk of Blood Bowl coming back is true, why would they just do Blood Bowl and not some of the other specialist games? Surely 'Big' would be doing the lot or some others too
- And thinking about that - as Age of Sigmar has gone kind of small war band style, Why not bring back Necromunda as a 40k skirmish game? - there's no rumor or facts attached to me saying that, just going on a tangent of marketing strategy.
#4 - Lets face it, it ain't gonna be Slann or Zoats! and probably even less chance of Sisters of Battle!
Vankraken wrote: Its kinda bad when even GW is struggling to justify the split between the Skitarii and Cult Mech codex when they can't even keep the starter bundle contained to models from one codex.
Actually it is great marketing, and excellent deal towards a great formation that requires 3 books to play, which goes full circle to marketing.
And that formation requires a White Dwarf long since unavailable, so until it makes an appearance in an actual book?
It's not marketing. It's them finding the one and only Mechanicus blister to add in.
ImAGeek wrote: They might just include the formation in the box.
They're not including the War Convocation(which requires a hell of a lot more than that set includes) in some random "starter" box. I can basically guarantee that.
Vankraken wrote: Its kinda bad when even GW is struggling to justify the split between the Skitarii and Cult Mech codex when they can't even keep the starter bundle contained to models from one codex.
Actually it is great marketing, and excellent deal towards a great formation that requires 3 books to play, which goes full circle to marketing.
And that formation requires a White Dwarf long since unavailable, so until it makes an appearance in an actual book?
It's not marketing. It's them finding the one and only Mechanicus blister to add in.
Yeah, its too bad no one can get their hands on that formation except that white dwarf. If only we had some sort of global search engine with the option to view images, then copy and print those images... darn it..
And you really don't need the books to play it. (See "if only comment above"). But then there are people who like the fluff and the read and go ahead and buy the books. Oh the books also have the unit specifics and stats inside too I hear.
Vankraken wrote: Its kinda bad when even GW is struggling to justify the split between the Skitarii and Cult Mech codex when they can't even keep the starter bundle contained to models from one codex.
Actually it is great marketing, and excellent deal towards a great formation that requires 3 books to play, which goes full circle to marketing.
And that formation requires a White Dwarf long since unavailable, so until it makes an appearance in an actual book?
It's not marketing. It's them finding the one and only Mechanicus blister to add in.
Yeah, its too bad no one can get their hands on that formation except that white dwarf. If only we had some sort of global search engine with the option to view images, then copy and print those images... darn it..
That's fine and dandy for places that will allow that.
Personally? I won't let you ever play a scan of a Formation like that. If you wanted the Formation, you could have bought White Dwarf like everyone else did.
And you really don't need the books to play it. (See "if only comment above"). But then there are people who like the fluff and the read and go ahead and buy the books. Oh the books also have the unit specifics and stats inside too I hear.
Again, that's fine and dandy for places that will allow that. No shop I know of will though and I can't foresee too many players being that lenient beyond the first couple of games.
Your final sentence is comical though.
And your insistence that this is somehow tied to them "being unable to maintain a split between Cult Mechanicus and Skitarii" is childlike petulance at best. You're not complaining about the Officio Prefectus Commissar being in the Guard bundle, yet he's somehow required for every single damn Militarum Tempestus Formation and mysteriously absent in the vast majority of Guard formations.
OMG! GW can't even maintain a split between the Tempestus and Guard, what a joke!
In both the Guard and Skitarii bundles, the only Warlord options(note: Warlord NOTHQ options) that are available outside of squads are two blisters that are commonly used for their allied contingents.
hahaha. Plenty of places including Gts allow a copy of a formation or a copy of a unit allowed, if it came from a limited production or out of print book. Specially forgeworld entries.
I do understand and agree a codex hard copy should be on hand for events. But local stores, friday night gaming, or playing with friends does not have such requirements.
Lol. Any store that doesn't let you run a formation because it was limited and you didn't physically buy the stupid thing required is a store that will lose people pretty quickly. With things like the War Convocation, new Bloodthirsters for Daemons, Skyhammer (especially if you already owned the Devs and Assaults and didn't need the models), etc, you would have to be insane to expect an average gamer to own random things with how hard they make it to do so.
Kanluwen wrote: Not my problem if you didn't buy the White Dwarf then. I got my copy, why didn't you get yours?
Because I didn't play AdMech when it came out and I don't collect WDs for the heck of it. Now, I want to start AdMech and run the Convocation, but it's not sold. Well just screw me then for not knowing what I would be doing months in the future, right?
Literally the only people I know who would force the sort of environment you're talking about are GW employees, which is why we all go to a FLGS instead now.
I think the only reason the Dominus is in the Skitarii set is because every other box has a leader model of some sort, but Skitarii do not have one available. So they go with the next closest thing.
Nvs wrote: I wonder if the lack of a chaos box is a sign that their range will be getting new models?
We've had it from reliable sources that there's nothing Chaos Marine related at all next year, except perhaps a new plastic 1kSons kit.
Earliest timeframe for a codex/model overhaul is 2017, though personally I'm willing to bet that GW is just as content to let the Chaos Marine range die out at this point as it's been so badly neglected for so long now.
Kanluwen wrote: Not my problem if you didn't buy the White Dwarf then. I got my copy, why didn't you get yours?
"I didn't get stabbed, why did you?"
Try harder next time. Not all of us have money to spare on silly marketing for a company that sharts on its own long term customers on a daily basis. If your rather spend your money and time on a magazine so GW can show you how big the next round of price increases are instead of saving or investing that money in something else, be my guest. Some of us have things we consider "better things" to do with our money.
Kanluwen wrote: Not my problem if you didn't buy the White Dwarf then. I got my copy, why didn't you get yours?
"I didn't get stabbed, why did you?"
Try harder next time. Not all of us have money to spare on silly marketing for a company that sharts on its own long term customers on a daily basis. If your rather spend your money and time on a magazine so GW can show you how big the next round of price increases are instead of saving or investing that money in something else, be my guest. Some of us have things we consider "better things" to do with our money.
Right, because not buying a non-limited item then complaining about not having it is totally the same thing as getting stabbed. Internal forces vs. external forces at work.
Vankraken wrote: Its kinda bad when even GW is struggling to justify the split between the Skitarii and Cult Mech codex when they can't even keep the starter bundle contained to models from one codex.
Actually it is great marketing, and excellent deal towards a great formation that requires 3 books to play, which goes full circle to marketing.
Well, not really. The amount of people showing up at my local clubs over the last few years using home-printed ringbound codices has skyrocketed, and of four I think I'm the only AdMech player who actually has both hardbound books. And even for me, buying both was a rarity; I went from "guy who buys all the codices for the fluff" to "guy who buys only the codices he absolutely needs and looks at Lexicanum for the fluff" because of crap like the AdMech codex split. Making your product such a terrible value proposition that lots of people simply pirate it instead of buying it is hardly "great marketing".
But this set of deals, assuming they're not yet-another Super Special Ultra Mega Limited BUY BUY BUY Edition product and will actually be sticking around, might be an indication they're beginning to understand that. The pricing on these is actually low enough to challenge China Forge, certainly once you factor in online discounts. Imagine that; trying to win back customers by offering them value for money, it'll never catch on.
EDIT: And guys, don't bother arguing with Kan, he's stated publicly before that he deliberately posts crap like that to get a rise out of people. For some reason the mods have decided that his admission many of his posts are the literal definition of trolling doesn't count, so just don't engage.
Kanluwen wrote: Personally? I won't let you ever play a scan of a Formation like that. If you wanted the Formation, you could have bought White Dwarf like everyone else did.
You don't like when we say this about you Kan. So I won't.
But in all seriousness, stop being suck a stick-in-the-mud.
It does make me laugh that the same people complaining about the price being a barrier to entry put up the same kind of barriers re print outs and copies.
If you're unwilling to play someone who brings a print out of a formation that was only available for a limited time, then you seriously need to rethink your priorities in life.
General Kroll wrote: It does make me laugh that the same people complaining about the price being a barrier to entry put up the same kind of barriers re print outs and copies.
If you're unwilling to play someone who brings a print out of a formation that was only available for a limited time, then you seriously need to rethink your priorities in life.
If you can build an army to the tune of several hundred dollars but refuse to put up the FOUR DOLLARS for a frickin' White Dwarf, you need to rethink yours as well. Seriously, the entitlement of a lot of people these days is just annoying. GW isn't a charity. Yes, they do ask ridiculous prices for a lot of their stuff, but White Dwarf is hardly one of those things.
Personally? I won't let you ever play a scan of a Formation like that. If you wanted the Formation, you could have bought White Dwarf like everyone else did.
Lmao, that's pathetic. You sound like a terrible opponent, probably saving people the trouble of needing to deal with you if you decline a game over stupid gak like that.
I'm just going to throw out the suggestion that the tone and candor of this thread may want to be relaxed a bit, as much of the current discussion is irrelevant to the topic and is ignoring the golden dakka rule.
To go back on topic-ish, since I doubt we'll get anything solid rumor wise until the new year, there's a dearth of of 40k related rumors for the new year. I can't imagine GW neglecting their flagship game that long, but back in the days of being a Fantasy player I loved that chunk of time in 2014 when we had fantasy release after fantasy release, Im guessing the AoS players are the same.
General Kroll wrote: It does make me laugh that the same people complaining about the price being a barrier to entry put up the same kind of barriers re print outs and copies.
If you're unwilling to play someone who brings a print out of a formation that was only available for a limited time, then you seriously need to rethink your priorities in life.
If you can build an army to the tune of several hundred dollars but refuse to put up the FOUR DOLLARS for a frickin' White Dwarf, you need to rethink yours as well. Seriously, the entitlement of a lot of people these days is just annoying. GW isn't a charity. Yes, they do ask ridiculous prices for a lot of their stuff, but White Dwarf is hardly one of those things.
It's nothing to do with the price. Someone may have missed the WD that it was in. I don't even buy WD these days, it's a piss poor magazine. But it's pretty pathetic to refuse to play someone because all they have is a copy. It's a game for Christ sake, its supposed to be fun. Why put barriers up to stop someone else playing. As long as the rules are correct, there shouldn't be a problem.
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