Here are the rumoured big discount boxes for this winter. The 40k ones are as in the picture (care of adeptus astartes in Facebook).
No pic of the aos stuff but the contents are as follows:
Stormcast - celestant prime, knight azyros, dracoth riders, 10 liberators, 5 Paladins
Slyvaneth - drycha, treelord 6 kurnoth hunters, 10 tree revenants. (This may be a mistake. It is a better deal than the rest)
Ironjawz - megaboss, shaman, 10 brutes, 3 goregruntas, giant.
Khorne bloodbound- skar, 3 juggers, blood warriors, bloodreavers, wrathmongers.
This comes from a user on bols who leaked the 40k sets before the pic turned up.
Price double start collecting £100 etc
That is a good Tau battleforce for a Tau beginner. If only I had that when I started. Ah well. I also like the DW one since I am looking to start that army. Also this says a lot about who the best selling armies are right now. The DW and Admech ones look like the best ones for saving cash if I'm looking correctly. Not familiar with space wolves enough to say.
Nope none expected. These are some major savings and model bundle counts. I'm super happy to see the public adore DW as much as I did before anyone knew about it. Also good to see Tau selling so well both for GW and FW. I'm so hyped to see what's in store for us with the End TImes. Even if we get destroyed in the worst case scenario we'll go out in style.
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Here is what seems to be included and what the kits add up to in US Dollars.
SW - $276: Dread, 10 Grey Hunters, 5 Terminators, 5 Fenrisian Wolves, Wolf Head Flyer, Iron Priest. Edit: Looks like there are 5 more models in the lot that I can't seem to find on the cover. Either its another 5 MEQs to make a 15 man bloodclaw squad or something like 5 long fangs or 5 skyclaws. Either way its even more value.
DW - $282 : 5 Bikes, 5 Terminators, 15 Deathwatch Kill Team, Razorback, Watch Commander. Its hard to make out because of that glare.
I'm picking up my Blackstar, kill team, and DW Librarian this Friday so next year if somehow no notable Tau releases come out then we'll likely grab the DW one for sure.
It is worth mentioning that these seem to be designed to complement the start collecting boxes. The only unwanted extra I can see is the tau commander. Is it OK to have two of those in an army?
Chikout wrote: It is worth mentioning that these seem to be designed to complement the start collecting boxes. The only unwanted extra I can see is the tau commander. Is it OK to have two of those in an army?
They aren't unique so yeah. Legally yes. Whether it's cost effective is another thing. I think tau commander is also bit more flexible to build than many character clampacks so less of annoyance to have nth plastic commisar in identical pose and pretty much identical wargear(grumble grumble. For characters you need lots would be nice to have multipose model with lots of variant bits)
Ratius wrote: Admech, huzzah!
Just what I was looking for.
Do you think the current ones will be discontinued?
These seem like a seasonal box that will last until a certain amount of time or until they sell out. Start Collecting I think will remain as their launch point for players to expand to new armies and for new players who might not be interested in the current starter box.
Chikout wrote: It is worth mentioning that these seem to be designed to complement the start collecting boxes. The only unwanted extra I can see is the tau commander. Is it OK to have two of those in an army?
If you run a Hunter Cadre + a Retribution Cadre within a Hunter Contengeint then your going to need 2 Commanders. Have one be a buffmander for some Crisis Suits while the other can act as a drone controller for some marker drones.
Getting 2 of those AdMech boxes is a given.
You can build Ruststalkers and Infiltrators
Fulgurite and Corpuscarii
get extras or a 2nd squad of Kastelan
Dragoons are always good
And with the 2 sets of Kataphron magnetizing the main weapons becomes a breeze.
Chikout wrote: It is worth mentioning that these seem to be designed to complement the start collecting boxes. The only unwanted extra I can see is the tau commander. Is it OK to have two of those in an army?
Worry not, for the Tau Start Collecting doesn't contain a Commander but an Ethereal instead.
Basically they picked what were top sellers and threw them more love instead of trying to even the score. The AOS set is particular annoying because they have 3 out of 4 Grand Alliances represented, and apparently gave Death the old middle finger to push more Sylvaneth. Also apparenty the Khorne one is the same as the old Bloodbound Expansion box, but cheaper.
These seem pretty milquetoast even by GW standards. 3 out of 4 40k armies are Imperium, 2 out of 4 AOS are Order, no Death anywhere to be found, and the Bloodbound one looks like a rehash (even with a lower price, that's still kinda lame).
Gamgee wrote:That is a good Tau battleforce for a Tau beginner. If only I had that when I started. Ah well. I also like the DW one since I am looking to start that army. Also this says a lot about who the best selling armies are right now. The DW and Admech ones look like the best ones for saving cash if I'm looking correctly. Not familiar with space wolves enough to say.
Are we sure or just guessing? That said, you would think that GW would do this to the lesser selling armies instead of the best selling armies because most people would have these and not sell much of them.
zedmeister wrote:Juicy Ad-Mech set...
I know nothing of Skittari. What makes this so good? It's the least minis out of 4 of them.
Gamgee wrote:Yeah, but something is still better than nothing and these are rumored to be the largest discounts we've seen in some time.
We are still over paying though. I guess we have been brainwashed to think these prices are still reasonable. We complained about these price 5 years ago. I know my pay hasn't gone up as much as GW prices did.
Nice. I'm hoping for plenty more good battleforce deals by the time my CSM army is done. I'll be watching for IG, orks and DE. The right units in the box and a stronger codex for any of those factions and GW can have my money
I want to see the Dark Eldar get some love this year. They need it badly. Such a cool army and I even have a small force ready to be assembled and painted when I see their big end times update.
Discounting your bestselling items is actually pro consumer. The strategy most companies have is discounting the poor sellers. Obviously thats not much consolation to dark eldar fans. The only way this makes sense is if it is the beginning of a broader range. If gw can end up with a start collecting and a battleforce for each army it will be very good.
Another thing that occurs is that these are all recentish releases, meaning the box sets will stay up to date for a while. It is another hint that we will see more of these sets in the future. Why release a dark Angels set if you are going to have new minis next year? That is also good for the customer. A familiar trick is putting an item on sale, just before replacing it with a new one. This is not the case here.
Chikout wrote: Discounting your bestselling items is actually pro consumer. The strategy most companies have is discounting the poor sellers. Obviously thats not much consolation to dark eldar fans. The only way this makes sense is if it is the beginning of a broader range. If gw can end up with a start collecting and a battleforce for each army it will be very good.
The other main discounting strategy is to increase basket size. If these double retail spend for very little extra materials cost, bingo, happy GW.
Carnikang wrote: Why only 4 for AoS and 40k? I don't see why they couldnt do more. Special box formation rules are hard to write? Hrm.
Shelf space would be my guess, and retailers are already going to be flipping out over having to order 8 different new starter set sized boxes on top of Prospero 2 and BB coming out at the same time.
Chikout wrote: Another thing that occurs is that these are all recentish releases, meaning the box sets will stay up to date for a while. It is another hint that we will see more of these sets in the future. Why release a dark Angels set if you are going to have new minis next year? That is also good for the customer. A familiar trick is putting an item on sale, just before replacing it with a new one. This is not the case here.
That's really not a great reason to not release a Dark Angels set of some kind - they currently have neither a Start Collecting set nor one of these new bundles. If these new bundles are all made up of current models, then why not release one?
I'm totally sold on the Sylvaneth one. I'D do two if it didn't come with a unique character. Assuming the contents are right it's like getting a treelord and 2 boxes of revenant for free. This and 2 start collecting and you've got a great sylvaneth army that's well over tournament standard with a fair amount of the entire range except for Alarielle. You're talking less than $300 after retailer discount for all of that.
Limiting the number of big boxes might help with focusing production to a limited set of sprues. Flood the market with these kits and then demand for those kits will be sated and then they can move on to different releases. Also worth noting that these boxes are for armies that had relatively recent releases and don't seem likely to have a new release in the near future. The SW choice in particular is probably a very calculated move due to the very strong possibility that Fenris part 2 will be coming out in the next month.
Echoing the thought on the Ironjawz box. It's unclear what I'm supposed to do with the Giant. Unless the box comes with a new Warscroll that gives Giants the Ironjawz Keyword, it's not a model that can be easily included in an Ironjawz army... assuming Matched Play, which is a fair assumption at this point.
To include a Giant at 2000 points, you'd first need to include a minimum of 300 points of generic Destruction Battleline units.
Just doesn't seem worth it. What an odd choice. I'm assuming we'll have in box Battalions that DON'T receive Matched Play points just like the Start Collecting boxes.
The Ironjawz one is only strange because the Giant makes everything in the army not battleline. It's a solid discount ($305 retail) but is actually a bad game box (the only one) to add onto the start collecting and not make a perfect playable general compendium force.
Any price reductions are greatly accepted, tempted with the Ad Mech set, hoping they bring out some more and then I'll once again be on a GW spending spree
Yes it will be interesting to see if any of the battalions have points, since this is post-GHB (SC boxes make sense to not have points as they are small and meant for starting out). But I am certain we will get another 2/3 playstyles supported approach and they will NOT have points, just to reinforce the idea that Matched Play is clearly an afterthought (well, the version that requires Battleline; remember there's a Matched Play variant that says ignore Battleline, just pick to the points; why that one isn't the actual default I do not know, maybe because it's in a small sidebar).
In fact, I propose that's how we deal with it. Insist the "Points Only" variant of Matched Play is used as the default. Sort of an organized protest thing (I demand credit as well as the mastermind).
Cephalobeard wrote: It's worth noting that by combining this box, and the start collecting! admech box, you're a knight short of a WarConvocation.
That's... tempting. If only I had more information on Magnus, because I also want to buy in to that.
it's almost as if they KNOW what people are building up to... crazy, right? Also most of the contents are dual kits except the Kastelan. So you really WANT to get 2 boxes anyway.
It's almost devilish. And I've only got 1 start collecting, 1 Chicken, 2 kataphrons and a skitarii box.
So adding more kataphron bodies to the unit while getting more walkers and the rest for the war convo... It's almost a guaranteed sell x2 for those that didn't buy their admech in advance.
As previously noted by someone earlier, give me the option of a combined Ad Mech codex and I'd probably be in for a Big Box and Start Collecting set (likely x2 for the latter).
I don't need more Liberators, but I would have loved to have an Azyros and more Dracoth Riders (Fulminators are +) at a cheaper price. Maybe I'll try to return it...
The other sets are really good too. What's the USD price? $150?
Added pics of AOS stuff to first post. The Stormcast set also has 5 Paladins. That set is £208 when bought seperately. The Khorne set is exactly the same as before but £25 cheaper.
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Requizen wrote: I just bought a Celestant Prime two days ago...
I don't need more Liberators, but I would have loved to have an Azyros and more Dracoth Riders (Fulminators are +) at a cheaper price. Maybe I'll try to return it...
The other sets are really good too. What's the USD price? $150?
Chikout wrote: Added pics of AOS stuff to first post. The Stormcast set also has 5 Paladins. That set is £208 when bought seperately. The Khorne set is exactly the same as before but £25 cheaper.
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Requizen wrote: I just bought a Celestant Prime two days ago...
I don't need more Liberators, but I would have loved to have an Azyros and more Dracoth Riders (Fulminators are +) at a cheaper price. Maybe I'll try to return it...
The other sets are really good too. What's the USD price? $150?
Its a really weird thing to put Drycha in the sylvaneth box.
Its a uniqe charachter that lots of people already own.
So, they make the box awkvard for people that already have Drycha, and probably kill alot of individual sales for the drycha box when the second hand market for her is flooded with left over "battleforce drycha".
Fayric wrote: Its a really weird thing to put Drycha in the sylvaneth box.
Its a uniqe charachter that lots of people already own.
So, they make the box awkvard for people that already have Drycha, and probably kill alot of individual sales for the drycha box when the second hand market for her is flooded with left over "battleforce drycha".
It seems like these boxes are intended to be easy sequels to the start collecting boxes - ie focused on players who are ready to move into larger games from their smaller forces rather than players who already have a bunch of models and are just in it for the value.
I don't have any Sylvaneth models, but I've wanted them for a while. Together with the Start Collecting box, it might push me over into starting yet another faction I'll never get around to painting.
Yeah, the double Drycha will keep me to probably one box of these. That said even with her I'd still be saving on essentially the value of 2 boxes of Tree-Revenants.
But yeah, Drycha is going to be easy to find on Ebay after the holiday season which is fine.
Still stoked that you can easily do 1500-1760 without battalions for just $255. Add another getting started (or holiday bundle depending on your preferred battleline) and you're looking at 2200-2500 depending on which one you pick up.
I'm definitely picking one up as it's got all the models I want some of but couldn't justify at singular or even discounted pricing. Since we're looking at around 50% off after online discount it's now completely worth it.
Wayniac wrote: Basically they picked what were top sellers and threw them more love instead of trying to even the score. The AOS set is particular annoying because they have 3 out of 4 Grand Alliances represented, and apparently gave Death the old middle finger to push more Sylvaneth. Also apparenty the Khorne one is the same as the old Bloodbound Expansion box, but cheaper.
These seem pretty milquetoast even by GW standards. 3 out of 4 40k armies are Imperium, 2 out of 4 AOS are Order, no Death anywhere to be found, and the Bloodbound one looks like a rehash (even with a lower price, that's still kinda lame).
Death has Vlagorescu's box, which makes saving of 90-ish dollars. Considering flesh-eater courts is the only solid army death has it's understandable. Order has the most armies too. I on the other hand am disappointed witht he Ironjawz starter, mainly because the bloody giant stands like a sore thumb since you need to have 100% ironjawz to make a legal list. You're saving 80 dollars but 40 of those most likely won't see use. Meanwhile the start collecting is like 70 dollars of savings and everything will see use, even if you buy multiple boxes.
It's difficult for me to get a good look at the Khorne Bloodbound box with the screen i'm currently on so can someone tell me what the difference between this one and the currently available one is?
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Kalamadea wrote: Been out of 40K for a long while, what size army are you looking at if you got this Tau set and a Tau Start Collecting? 1250ish points?
844 points without any upgrades. How I would play it, 1012. Please note that I use a lot fewer upgrades than most. Add a Riptide and you have a perfectly workable 1250 force.
joseph_curwen wrote: It's difficult for me to get a good look at the Khorne Bloodbound box with the screen i'm currently on so can someone tell me what the difference between this one and the currently available one is?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also! I haven't paid attention to holiday offerings in a few years so is this the sort of thing that tends to be a webstore exclusive?
Looks to be Skarr Bloodwrath, Aspiring Deathbringer w/ Goreaxe and Skullhammer (99% sure on this one, but it's hard to make out), 10 Blood Warriors, 20 Bloodreavers, 3 Mighty Skullcrushers, and 5 Skullreapers/Wrathmongers. Very solid addition to either the SC or starter set.
Kalamadea wrote: Been out of 40K for a long while, what size army are you looking at if you got this Tau set and a Tau Start Collecting? 1250ish points?
844 points without any upgrades. How I would play it, 1012. Please note that I use a lot fewer upgrades than most. Add a Riptide and you have a perfectly workable 1250 force.
Definitely seems like things have decreased in points since I played in late 3rd to early 5th.
Whew! For £100 I can't say I'm all that tempted as I echo some of my other spoilt brethren in this thread who are lamenting the omission of Eldar (both varieties) and Imperial Guard.
That said, like the 'Start Collecting!' sets is there any information as to whether these will be available at discounters? A good 20% off on an already tempting deal makes the fence that I'm sat on far more uncomfortable!
Why are people surprised that its armies with newer models? What are they going to have resin battleforces? Are they going to re-release Sisters of Battle in a Battleforce? An AoS Death Battleforce with 15 year old models? Cmon guys.
I'm just annoyed that the Space Wolf one has 15 Grey Hunters. I have 10 Grey Hunters and 15 Bloodclaws, how many do I goddam need?!??!?!? Its such a good deal but I dont know what I would do with those troop guys.
Scrub wrote: is there any information as to whether these will be available at discounters? A good 20% off on an already tempting deal makes the fence that I'm sat on far more uncomfortable!
Yeah, I feel the same way. If these are available at 20-25% off I don't think that I could stop myself from grabbing a couple.
If the current GW sales ploy involves giving a notable discount on standard prices, putting together sensible arrangements of unit choices between these and the Start Collecting sets, leaving new customers with a reasonable force but some obvious choices for expansion towards some of the pricier kits... then this is a GW sales ploy I can live with!!
I'm happy to see SW and DW, sad that there is no Orks or IG(AM) sets, but my wallet is grateful
I am thoroughly enjoying the current ongoing refreshing era of GW not being dicks tbh, long may it continue, despite the protestations of my much raped wallet
They've already uploaded better looking pics in FB (I have to say, that Sylvaneth box is looking sexier by the minute. The Ironjawz' giant is sticking out like a sore thumb :( )
lord_blackfang wrote: These sets really highlight the cost discrepancy between armies. Just compare what you get in SW vs AdMech or Khorne vs anything.
The Khorne box is offset by the fact that a lot of the figures are more of those damned Bloodreavers, the cockroaches of the Chaos alliance.
Don Savik wrote: Why are people surprised that its armies with newer models? What are they going to have resin battleforces? Are they going to re-release Sisters of Battle in a Battleforce? An AoS Death Battleforce with 15 year old models? Cmon guys.
I'm just annoyed that the Space Wolf one has 15 Grey Hunters. I have 10 Grey Hunters and 15 Bloodclaws, how many do I goddam need?!??!?!? Its such a good deal but I dont know what I would do with those troop guys.
Build them as anything you realistically want barring Skyclaws or Swiftclaws?
Grey Hunters and Blood Claws aren't a "set" like any other army realistically has for Troops. They're the basis for practically every foot version of Space Wolf out there.
Long Fangs? Use that sprue plus some leftover weapons from the Devastator sprues! No Grav-Cannons though.
Wolf Guard without Terminator Armor? Oh look...you can do that without having to have bits from other sprues!
Skyclaws? Get some Jump Packs!
Want to build a Wolf Lord? Can do, boss!
I get that they feel like a "tax" in the box, but it's not like getting Scouts or Terminators or Vanguard/Sternguard Veterans.
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lord_blackfang wrote: These sets really highlight the cost discrepancy between armies. Just compare what you get in SW vs AdMech or Khorne vs anything.
Eh. AdMech is, for lack of a better description, mostly full of tax units.
Electropriests? Dragoons/Ironstriders? They should have just doubled up on Kataphron and Kastellans.
I'm totally sold on the Sylvaneth. I'm tempted by the Ironjawz but that Giant is turning me off.
The Stormcast is a possibility since it has stuff I don't mind getting more of (Liberators & Paladins) and stuff I need more of or want. I mean the prime, dracothin's and venator are worth the cost alone. But I need to count how many Liberators and Paladins I have.
Requizen wrote: Is it confirmed whether or not there will be Formations/Battalions for the boxes? I'm kind of hoping not but I feel like it's expected at this point.
Not confirmed, but the Ironjawz box is called "Thunderfist" and all of their Battalions are similar... Ironfist, Gorefist, Brutefist, etc.
I'm assuming we'll see an included Battalion called Thunderfist with the box contents.
None of these tempt me, even the Admech one (Admech being my next 40k army). I'd rather buy multiple Start Collecting Admech.
My wife likes the Space Wolves one (her next 40k army). What kind of points range is that plus a Start Collecting box? (we're still waiting for The War Store to deliver the Codex).
Hulksmash wrote: I'm tempted by the Ironjawz but that Giant is turning me off.
That version of it, yea. But get some armor bits from the Maw-krusha, Gore-gruntas, or even Mega Nobz kits and he'll look awesome.
True, it's more the destruction of the faction special battlelines that I have the issue with. I hadn't thought about using additional armor bitz from larger kits to armor him up. That at least makes him fit style wise. Thanks
Requizen wrote: Is it confirmed whether or not there will be Formations/Battalions for the boxes? I'm kind of hoping not but I feel like it's expected at this point.
Not confirmed, but the Ironjawz box is called "Thunderfist" and all of their Battalions are similar... Ironfist, Gorefist, Brutefist.
Hulksmash wrote: I'm tempted by the Ironjawz but that Giant is turning me off.
That version of it, yea. But get some armor bits from the Maw-krusha, Gore-gruntas, or even Mega Nobz kits and he'll look awesome.
True, it's more the destruction of the faction special battlelines that I have the issue with. I hadn't thought about using additional armor bitz from larger kits to armor him up. That at least makes him fit style wise. Thanks
They could potentially have the Thunderfist Battalion give him the Keyword. We'll have to wait a few weeks to find out, though.
Hulksmash wrote: I'm tempted by the Ironjawz but that Giant is turning me off.
That version of it, yea. But get some armor bits from the Maw-krusha, Gore-gruntas, or even Mega Nobz kits and he'll look awesome.
True, it's more the destruction of the faction special battlelines that I have the issue with. I hadn't thought about using additional armor bitz from larger kits to armor him up. That at least makes him fit style wise. Thanks
They could potentially have the Thunderfist Battalion give him the Keyword. We'll have to wait a few weeks to find out, though.
Whilst pricing them out I found out that GW sells a Wolf Guard kit. It is the same as the regular Space Wolf kit, except it comes with half the models (5 vs 10).
To my complete surprise, it's costed at exactly half the cost of the 10... ahnhhhahh no it's not. It's 78% the cost of 10 for 50% the content.
The Ad Mech is tempting, but I think I'll hold out for one of the Black Friday bundles. Hopefully the do a DE one (and not a box based on Wych Cults. Covens or Kabalites only, thank you). Maybe after this run of sets, they'll switch the armies up and do another round.
Whilst pricing them out I found out that GW sells a Wolf Guard kit. It is the same as the regular Space Wolf kit, except it comes with half the models (5 vs 10).
To my complete surprise, it's costed at exactly half the cost of the 10... ahnhhhahh no it's not. It's 78% the cost of 10 for 50% the content.
Oh GW!
At the same time they also have a Blood Claw kit, which is the same as the regular SW kit, but has 15 models and is ~142% of the cost for 150% of the models.
An ok deal but since the Blood Claw kit is a webstore exclusive it's cheaper to just buy the basic box from a retailer with a discount.
Nostromodamus wrote: My wife likes the Space Wolves one (her next 40k army). What kind of points range is that plus a Start Collecting box? (we're still waiting for The War Store to deliver the Codex).
The Space Wolves Battleforce could make about 1000-1200 points. A start collecting Space Wolves box would add another 400-600 points.
Definitely the cost efficient way to start a new army or get someone into the game.
Don Savik wrote: Why are people surprised that its armies with newer models? What are they going to have resin battleforces? Are they going to re-release Sisters of Battle in a Battleforce? An AoS Death Battleforce with 15 year old models? Cmon guys.
I'm just annoyed that the Space Wolf one has 15 Grey Hunters. I have 10 Grey Hunters and 15 Bloodclaws, how many do I goddam need?!??!?!? Its such a good deal but I dont know what I would do with those troop guys.
Build them as anything you realistically want barring Skyclaws or Swiftclaws?
Grey Hunters and Blood Claws aren't a "set" like any other army realistically has for Troops. They're the basis for practically every foot version of Space Wolf out there.
Long Fangs? Use that sprue plus some leftover weapons from the Devastator sprues! No Grav-Cannons though.
Wolf Guard without Terminator Armor? Oh look...you can do that without having to have bits from other sprues!
Skyclaws? Get some Jump Packs!
Want to build a Wolf Lord? Can do, boss!
I get that they feel like a "tax" in the box, but it's not like getting Scouts or Terminators or Vanguard/Sternguard Veterans.
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lord_blackfang wrote: These sets really highlight the cost discrepancy between armies. Just compare what you get in SW vs AdMech or Khorne vs anything.
Eh. AdMech is, for lack of a better description, mostly full of tax units.
Electropriests? Dragoons/Ironstriders? They should have just doubled up on Kataphron and Kastellans.
Jackal wrote: Hoping it gets points.
And if so, he needs ironjawz key word or its essentially useless.
Would be nice to see a moon clan set at some point though.
Poor guys haven't had anything yet.
Turns out that according to the GHBFAQ models NOT of your allegiance in warscroll battalions FOR your allegiance, don't actually count AGAINST your allegiance. You basically treat them as not being there for that purpose.
Anyone got the prices in American? I haven't seen a definitive answer, everyone just seems to be guessing. The admech seems like a nice "one of everything" type of deal and I'm kind of tempted if they finally get wrapped into a single proper army.
MrMoustaffa wrote: Anyone got the prices in American? I haven't seen a definitive answer, everyone just seems to be guessing. The admech seems like a nice "one of everything" type of deal and I'm kind of tempted if they finally get wrapped into a single proper army.
This has not been 100% confirmed, but it is $170. (twice the price of a start collecting set)
I will laugh my butt off if the Ironjawz one has a battalion that makes the Gargant count as Ironjawz allegiance, and then said battalion has no points, making the gargant useless in Matched Play out of the box. There's no reason to expect any of these battalions to include points for use in Matched Play.
Wayniac wrote: I will laugh my butt off if the Ironjawz one has a battalion that makes the Gargant count as Ironjawz allegiance, and then said battalion has no points, making the gargant useless in Matched Play out of the box. There's no reason to expect any of these battalions to include points for use in Matched Play.
Id bet money it does make him Ironjawz. Why don't you think they would give it points? Adding points to it is very easy, plus with the time taken to make points for everything else, makes sense to fold it into it. Points are what they promote for AOS. Their battle reports all use points now.
If for whatever reason it doesn't have points, id also bet within a week of release they will have some PDF/Blog Article giving each one points. Have a little faith in em to do something right on this.
Nostromodamus wrote: My wife likes the Space Wolves one (her next 40k army). What kind of points range is that plus a Start Collecting box? (we're still waiting for The War Store to deliver the Codex).
The Space Wolves Battleforce could make about 1000-1200 points. A start collecting Space Wolves box would add another 400-600 points.
Definitely the cost efficient way to start a new army or get someone into the game.
Wayniac wrote: I will laugh my butt off if the Ironjawz one has a battalion that makes the Gargant count as Ironjawz allegiance, and then said battalion has no points, making the gargant useless in Matched Play out of the box. There's no reason to expect any of these battalions to include points for use in Matched Play.
Id bet money it does make him Ironjawz. Why don't you think they would give it points? Adding points to it is very easy, plus with the time taken to make points for everything else, makes sense to fold it into it. Points are what they promote for AOS. Their battle reports all use points now.
If for whatever reason it doesn't have points, id also bet within a week of release they will have some PDF/Blog Article giving each one points. Have a little faith in em to do something right on this.
Come on guys, I just talked about this. It doesn't matter if the battalion makes him Ironjawz, so long as he's IN a battalion you still get your allegiance, even if he doesn't specifically become ironjaws. As for points...eh...50/50, depends on which GW shows up, the respond to leaked holiday bundles by giving clearer photos GW or the pick the best selling factions without really thinking about it and leaving death(AOS) and Chaos/Xenos(40k) pretty much out in the cold GW.
Egyptian Space Zombie wrote: Two marine boxes seems redundant. I would have made one of those into DE or Orks. I guess they know that good armies sell more.
Which really seems to be self-defeating. The armies that sell more get more love, so they sell more, so they get more love. Repeat ad infinitum.
Whilst pricing them out I found out that GW sells a Wolf Guard kit. It is the same as the regular Space Wolf kit, except it comes with half the models (5 vs 10).
To my complete surprise, it's costed at exactly half the cost of the 10... ahnhhhahh no it's not. It's 78% the cost of 10 for 50% the content.
Oh GW!
And that is what GW did to Lord of the Rings. One of the reasons why it fell off big time. One of the reasons why I quit LotR and never did The Hobbit. I see GW is doing that with 40K a bit.
Was really hoping there was going to a be a Genestealer cult box. For Age of Sigmar I was hoping in the Orruk (sorry if I got the name wrong the orks) had the beast/mini dragon in the box. If it had it, I would have got it.
Man, I saw those battleforce boxes on Facebook yesterday, and my big question was going to be "How much do they want for that?" I'd really like the Deathwatch one, as I've been torn about possibly getting Death Masque (not like I need Harlequins though, and no one around my area would want to trade or split a box for the Harlies so...). December will be a 3-paycheck month, so I will have some extra money. If the Deathwatch Battleforce is really only $170, the answer is going to be "Shut up and take my money GW!" I figure I can get the battleforce, a Corvus Blackstar, and the DW codex for possibly less than $300 if I get at least some of that on eBay.
Egyptian Space Zombie wrote: Two marine boxes seems redundant. I would have made one of those into DE or Orks. I guess they know that good armies sell more.
Which really seems to be self-defeating. The armies that sell more get more love, so they sell more, so they get more love. Repeat ad infinitum.
Hmm, is it not possibly because Fenris II is due out shortly (presumably increasing the interest in SW) and Deathwatch has just been released? More likely to drive cross-sales of books.
Of course, the first point might suggest that CSM/TZ should get one but maybe that is coming with the Magnus release.
All Space Marines will bow to the DW as the superior style of Space Marine. I can't wait to see all the Xenos players getting annoyed next DW update when they start enabling us to use Xenos weaponry just like in the rpg. Hahah.
Bi'ios wrote: The Ad Mech is tempting, but I think I'll hold out for one of the Black Friday bundles. Hopefully the do a DE one (and not a box based on Wych Cults. Covens or Kabalites only, thank you). Maybe after this run of sets, they'll switch the armies up and do another round.
I'd hope for a DE set too. Maybe a HC formation bundle, perhaps with a bunch of Talos, Wracks or Grotesques.
Bi'ios wrote: The Ad Mech is tempting, but I think I'll hold out for one of the Black Friday bundles. Hopefully the do a DE one (and not a box based on Wych Cults. Covens or Kabalites only, thank you). Maybe after this run of sets, they'll switch the armies up and do another round.
I'd hope for a DE set too. Maybe a HC formation bundle, perhaps with a bunch of Talos, Wracks or Grotesques.
+1 to that. Wracks are expensive and it would be nice to see a solid box set to make a covens style force
MajorWesJanson wrote: Only until they do the smart thing and merge Skitarii, Cult Mech, and Knights into one full sized Adeptus Mechanicus codex
About the same time CD and CSM get back together, right? GW has been going as far as ripping as single unit out of an old codex and giving it a hardcover all of its own for the past few years, what makes you think they'll start combining them again?
MajorWesJanson wrote: Only until they do the smart thing and merge Skitarii, Cult Mech, and Knights into one full sized Adeptus Mechanicus codex
About the same time CD and CSM get back together, right? GW has been going as far as ripping as single unit out of an old codex and giving it a hardcover all of its own for the past few years, what makes you think they'll start combining them again?
AoS and how 8th edition will most likely leech inspiration from it?
Gamgee wrote: All Space Marines will bow to the DW as the superior style of Space Marine. I can't wait to see all the Xenos players getting annoyed next DW update when they start enabling us to use Xenos weaponry just like in the rpg. Hahah.
If these boxes are an indicator of the top(non vanilla SM) sellers, then I wonder if like the Imperial Knights the DW will have a relatively quick turnaround on there codex?
It's around $230 in the box, so not the VERY best deal, but a solid one and thematic as heck. (And, sadly, only one of the two that you'd need just to fill a Troops requirement, but hey!
Have we ever gotten a date and/or official prices (most people are speculating 2x Start Collecting price, but I don't know that I've seen an official source like a WD photo leak)?
EnTyme wrote: Have we ever gotten a date and/or official prices (most people are speculating 2x Start Collecting price, but I don't know that I've seen an official source like a WD photo leak)?
Games Workshop stores should have a "Christmas Gift Guide Booklet" that includes the prices. I forgot to nab one this weekend so can't tell you the prices, but I know the prices are present in there.
EnTyme wrote: Have we ever gotten a date and/or official prices (most people are speculating 2x Start Collecting price, but I don't know that I've seen an official source like a WD photo leak)?
It's in the WD for £100, €130 and $170 but I couldn't see a release date.
EnTyme wrote: Have we ever gotten a date and/or official prices (most people are speculating 2x Start Collecting price, but I don't know that I've seen an official source like a WD photo leak)?
It's in the WD for £100, €130 and $170 but I couldn't see a release date.
EnTyme wrote: Have we ever gotten a date and/or official prices (most people are speculating 2x Start Collecting price, but I don't know that I've seen an official source like a WD photo leak)?
It's in the WD for £100, €130 and $170 but I couldn't see a release date.
EnTyme wrote: Have we ever gotten a date and/or official prices (most people are speculating 2x Start Collecting price, but I don't know that I've seen an official source like a WD photo leak)?
Games Workshop stores should have a "Christmas Gift Guide Booklet" that includes the prices. I forgot to nab one this weekend so can't tell you the prices, but I know the prices are present in there.
Unfortunately, the closest GW store is roughly four hours away from me, but I'll have to see if my FLGS has one.
durecellrabbit wrote:
EnTyme wrote: Have we ever gotten a date and/or official prices (most people are speculating 2x Start Collecting price, but I don't know that I've seen an official source like a WD photo leak)?
It's in the WD for £100, €130 and $170 but I couldn't see a release date.
Well okay. I'd seen pictures of the 1ksons releases and Space Hulk from WD, but haven't seen any pictures of these yet. I wish they would put a date in the preview pics.
Hopefully not. You'd hope they remain available for at least a few months. If SC has taught them anything, it's that the consumers love a value-bundle.
Sucks that they come out on the tenth, importing for xmas seems out of the question. My bro just bought a SC AdMech and is looking for more meat...or clanking metal bits...for his force.
Wulfson_40K wrote: Alas, these Battleforces are indeed a Christmas deal. They're while stocks last.
Are we sure about that??
Historically these sorts of boxes have been. The ads are on page 3 and say "The best way to start a new army this Christmas", which feels pretty seasonal to me.
While it's true they didn't chose poor selling factions, the decision to make a Deathwatch Battleforce was probably taken long before the regular Deathwatch range was even sold in stores.
Who could have predicted that the new, exciting, long-awaited returning Space Marine Faction that were featured in that boxed game that sold extraordinarily well would sell well?
While it's true they didn't chose poor selling factions, the decision to make a Deathwatch Battleforce was probably taken long before the regular Deathwatch range was even sold in stores.
They could also be thinking that the Deathwatch kits are, for the most part, standard SM kits with an extra upgrade sprue thrown in, so this is basically also a C:SM battleforce.
The Warhammer 40k Facebook page posted up that yes, these boxes do in fact contain Formations.
Warhammer 40,000 Hey >Name Redacted by Me< - I have just had a word with the helpful guys over in Customer Services and they tell me there ARE indeed formation rules in these boxes! Exciting, right?! *starts plotting which one to buy*
kronk wrote: So Battle forces this week (Dec 3 preorder), and Codex: Imperials Lumped Together and Codex: All the Hate Marines next week (pre-order Dec 10)?
And, at some point this month according to my December White Dwarf, HH book 7: Inferno from WD?
I'll have to re-read that part of the White Dwarf tonight, but I believe it said "This month". Since it's the December WD, I had assumed that meant this month.
kronk wrote: I'll have to re-read that part of the White Dwarf tonight, but I believe it said "This month". Since it's the December WD, I had assumed that meant this month.
I could be wrong, obviously.
I could swear it says something about February. I don't get White Dwarf unless it interests me, but I flip through a friend's copy when we do build days on occasion.
kronk wrote: I'll have to re-read that part of the White Dwarf tonight, but I believe it said "This month". Since it's the December WD, I had assumed that meant this month.
I could be wrong, obviously.
I could swear it says something about February. I don't get White Dwarf unless it interests me, but I flip through a friend's copy when we do build days on occasion.
From what I understand when White Dwarf went to press they were planning a December release for Inferno but it has since been delayed until Feb.
kronk wrote: I'll have to re-read that part of the White Dwarf tonight, but I believe it said "This month". Since it's the December WD, I had assumed that meant this month.
I could be wrong, obviously.
At the time of print the information was correct, but this has since then been changed and pushed back sadly. It's still February most likely at this point.
I am looking forward to the Witchblade Task Force formation. I have everything needed to run it by virtue of having everything in the box for my Deathwatch short of one Razorback.
kronk wrote: I'll have to re-read that part of the White Dwarf tonight, but I believe it said "This month". Since it's the December WD, I had assumed that meant this month.
I could be wrong, obviously.
At the time of print the information was correct, but this has since then been changed and pushed back sadly. It's still February most likely at this point.
Fair enough.
Thanks for the clarifications, all.
Also, what comes out this Saturday. Battle forces AND the 2 books?
kronk wrote: I'll have to re-read that part of the White Dwarf tonight, but I believe it said "This month". Since it's the December WD, I had assumed that meant this month.
I could be wrong, obviously.
At the time of print the information was correct, but this has since then been changed and pushed back sadly. It's still February most likely at this point.
Fair enough.
Thanks for the clarifications, all.
Also, what comes out this Saturday. Battle forces AND the 2 books?
Comes out or goes up for preorder?
Releases: Wrath of Magnus
Rubric Marines
Ahriman
Exalted Sorcerers box of 3
Scarab Occult Terminators
Tzaangors
Magnus
Thousand Sons dice(stores should get a limited quantity of these)
Chaos Black and Corax White Spray XL
Stormvermin Fur, Averland Sunset, and The Fang Spray
Thousand Sons Blue and Ahriman Blue paints
The Hobbit: Motion Picture Trilogy "There and Back Again" book
Space Hulk rerelease
Preorders(December 3rd preorders, releasing on December 10th): Traitor Legions supplement
Age of Sigmar Battleforces Stormcast Eternals "Storm of Vengeance"
Ironjawz "Thunderfist"
Sylvaneth "Darkroot Wargrove"
Khorne Bloodbound "Slaughterstorm"
Warhammer 40k Battleforces Space Wolves "Ironclaw Strike Force"
Tau Empire "Targeted Recon Cadre"
Deathwatch "watchblade Taskforce"
Adeptus Mechanicus "Eradication Cohort"
Somewhere in the next month, we have a new Base color in the form of "Deathguard Green". "Agents of the Imperium" preorders were(from what I remember in White Dwarf) December 10th and releasing on the 17th.
I am actually hoping that the Watchblade Task Force offers a nice alternative to the Black Spear Strike Force. I have all of the requisite models (short one Razorback and a couple bikes which I plan to fix shortly), so I could possibly even run it.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Just what 7th Ed needs: More formations and more special rules, especially ones of limited availability.
Formations are a problem (without point costs) but given that these are "Getting Started Plus" boxes, I wouldn't expect anything insane like Skyhammer Annihilation Force was as far as limited access formations go.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Just what 7th Ed needs: More formations and more special rules, especially ones of limited availability.
Formations are a problem (without point costs) but given that these are "Getting Started Plus" boxes, I wouldn't expect anything insane like Skyhammer Annihilation Force was as far as limited access formations go.
And for the record 'limited availability' only means 'google image it on my phone if there's an issue.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Just what 7th Ed needs: More formations and more special rules, especially ones of limited availability.
Formations are a problem (without point costs) but given that these are "Getting Started Plus" boxes, I wouldn't expect anything insane like Skyhammer Annihilation Force was as far as limited access formations go.
And for the record 'limited availability' only means 'google image it on my phone if there's an issue.
Yeah. I wonder how many skyhammer formation users actually bought that box...
I seriously, SERIOUSLY, hope this battleforces are not limited to December. I don't have the money and, unfortunaly, I want seven of those boxes. Hey, many of us thought that the SC! boxes would be limited only, and they are now on, if not the, must successful product GW has had in a while.
They are mentioning thems as great Christmass gifts, so are they doing with the Citadel cases and boxed games, and GW even mentioned the SC! when they revealed the Battleforce via Facebook. Not only that, each Battleforce has an individual AND branded name. Of course GW has discontinued branded products before, but only for holidays? why even bother? and remember, this is the GW under Kevin's mantle.
Well, we are just hours away now. I did the math for each box on Lustria-Online some weeks ago, if anyone want to know how much you could save (and if you missed it, the models included):
AoS Battleforces:
Spoiler:
- Battleforce Stormcast Eternals: Sigmar's Vengeance (19 miniatures; one Celestant Prime, 2 Dracothian Guards, 5 Paladins, 10 Liberators and one Knight-Azyros), from £208 to £100, 52% off, the biggest savings of all the eight Battleforces
- Battleforce Ironjawz: Thunderfist (16 miniatures; 3 Gore-gruntas, one Aleguzzler, 10 Brutes, one Megaboss and one Weirdnob Shaman), from £184.5 to £100. 45.8% off (rounded).
- Battleforce Sylvaneth: Darkroot Wargrove (18 miniatures; one Treelord, 6 Kurnoth Hunters, Drycha Hamadreth and 10 Revenants), from £187 to £100, 46.5% off (rounded).
- Battleforce Khorne Bloodbound: Slaughterstorm (40 miniatures, literally the same 39 the Expansion used to have; 3 Skullcrushers, 10 Blood Warriors, 20 Bloodreavers, 5 Skullreapers/Wrathmongers, and Skarr Bloodwrath, plus one Aspiring Deathbringer with Goreaxe and Skullhammer. And £25 cheaper), from £173 to £100, 42.15% off.
40K Battleforces:
Spoiler:
- Battleforce Space Wolves: Ironclaw Strike Force (28 miniatures; one Stormwolf, one Space Wolves Venerable Dreadnought, 15 Space Wolves Blood Claws, 5 Wolf Guard Terminators, one Iron Priest and 5 Fenrisian Wolves), from £173.5 to £100, rounding up 42.15% off.
- Battleforce Tau Empire: Targeted Reconnaissance Cadre (26 miniatures; one XV95 Ghostkeel Battlesuit with two XV5 Stealth Drones, one Tau Commander with one drone, one Broadside Battlesuit and two Drones, one Tau Devilfish, 10 Tau Pathfinders with one Pulse Accelerator Drone, one Grav-inhibitor Drone and one Recon Drone, and 3 XV25 Stealth Suits with one markerlight Drone), from £163.5 to £100, saving 38.83% rounding up.
- Battleforce Adeptus Mechanicus: Eradication Cohort (17 miniatures, a mix of Cult Mechanicus and Skitarii models; two Kastelan Robots and one Cybernetica Datasmith, three Adeptus Mechanicus Battle Servitors, one Ironstrider Ballistarius/Sydonian Dragoon, 5 Adeptus Mechanicus Sicarians and 5 Adeptus Mechanicus Electro-Priests), from £159.5 to £100, 37% off.
- Battleforce Deathwatch: Watchblade Taskforce (27 miniatures; 15 Deathwatch Space Marines, 5 Deathwatch Bikers, 5 Deathwatch Terminators, one Deathwatch Transport and one Watch Master, and 3 upgrade frames included for the Terminators, Bikers and Transport), from £171 to £100, 41% off, rounded down.
Lord Kragan wrote: Death has Vlagorescu's box, which makes saving of 90-ish dollars. Considering flesh-eater courts is the only solid army death has it's understandable. Order has the most armies too. I on the other hand am disappointed witht he Ironjawz starter, mainly because the bloody giant stands like a sore thumb since you need to have 100% ironjawz to make a legal list. You're saving 80 dollars but 40 of those most likely won't see use. Meanwhile the start collecting is like 70 dollars of savings and everything will see use, even if you buy multiple boxes.
Erhm, no, Vlagorescu's gone since months, some time after the SC! box was released. Also, if you don't like the Gargant, then don't use it. It costs almost the same as an Ardboys box, so maybe you could swap him with someone else who wants a Gargant. Also the Gargants are super cheap monster and available for both Destruction and Chaos, and is available for many factions if you are still playing Fantasy editions. And as far as I know you can deploy mixed armies, but only choose one allegiance, not to mention that there could be a possible Warscroll Battalion.
Yeah, I would like the Maw-krusha instead too, yet the Sylvaneth didn't got Alarielle and the Stormcast didn't got a Stardrake either. And considering that both Ironjawz and Sylvaneth get the whole miniature range minus those models, and around 2000 points worth in units with one Battleforce and 2 SC!, GW would still like to sell the biggest models at full price. Fair enough.
The battleforces are up for pre-order on the NZ store (No need to freak out when you see the prices, fellow Americans). The description do say the formations/warscroll battalions are included. Now the only question is whether or not the warscroll battalions will be pointed.
None of the Get Started! battalions have points. They're mostly there to give fancy rules for when two people buy boxes and play them against one another.
The Gore Gruntas are more of a bummer than the giant that I've always wanted. I promised myself not to get anymore minis this year/before the end of med school in spring. Maaaybe if some are still left in 2017.
AdMech and maybe Sylvaneth foe my bro, if they can be gotten cheaper on ebay. Lucky git.
I got an order in for the Sylvaneth one. Between the price I got for that and the super discounted SC Sylvaneth I've got a 1760pt army for $175.....And one that is moderately competitive
The DW one covers the stuff I wanted to get, other than Blackstars.
Should be fun to make those bikers with all the extra bits, plus I'll have eve enough spare parts to make a full DW Assault Squads with those cool Storm Shields.
Hulksmash wrote: Might just be a UK thing on the limited retailer stock. At least here some stores are taking normal preorders.
Maybe,
All the UK retailers I use were sold out pretty quickly, It doesnt look like they are getting many at all, thankfully i managed to snag a few of the 40k ones before they all sold out.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I even had to order the Chaotica Apocrypha from GW themselves !
Binabik15 wrote: The Gore Gruntas are more of a bummer than the giant that I've always wanted. I promised myself not to get anymore minis this year/before the end of med school in spring. Maaaybe if some are still left in 2017.
AdMech and maybe Sylvaneth foe my bro, if they can be gotten cheaper on ebay. Lucky git.
Yes, the Gore-gruntas are not as good as Juggernauts or Dracoths, either on tabletop or as convertion material; their main problem is that they're quite overpriced.
And if the Battleforces are not permanent additions like some people say, then don't count on get them at good price on eBay. I tried to get the SE expansion for AoS, but I found three: 2 of them sold at bids higher than 400 Euros, the other one was painted and double the cost back then.
UltraPrime wrote:Well, none of the usual discounters seem to have these. Shame.
idespair wrote:It looks like Independent stores are only getting a maximum of three of each Battleforce, so they've either not listed them or have already sold out.
Aww man, really, GW? Still hating money. Even ordering from UKGW would be cheaper with the exchange rate than buying here.
If they won't be carried by stores in Germany with discount I'm not buying them for myself and at max one as a present. Needless foot shooti g after getting good sales on SCfrom independants
Edit: The SE expansion seems to be on The Outpost for a hundred quid, but I have never heard of them before this thread, so I don't know how import friendly they are. And I didn't click thr listing, so no idea if it's actually in stock or a dead entry.
UltraPrime wrote:Well, none of the usual discounters seem to have these. Shame.
idespair wrote:It looks like Independent stores are only getting a maximum of three of each Battleforce, so they've either not listed them or have already sold out.
Aww man, really, GW? Still hating money. Even ordering from UKGW would be cheaper with the exchange rate than buying here.
If they won't be carried by stores in Germany with discount I'm not buying them for myself and at max one as a present. Needless foot shooti g after getting good sales on SCfrom independants
Edit: The SE expansion seems to be on The Outpost for a hundred quid, but I have never heard of them before this thread, so I don't know how import friendly they are. And I didn't click thr listing, so no idea if it's actually in stock or a dead entry.
It's out of stock on The Outpost. As is the new Christmas Stormcast bundle box.
The liberators aren't bad. The paladins aren't bad. There are better heroes than the celestant prime and flying hero though. The 2 dracoriders can be good
Crazyterran wrote: Is the Stormcast box worth it for someone just starting AoS?
No idea what is good or not.
You can refer to my post on the last page with the exact savings of each box, but the Stormcast kit has 52% off, by far the best saving deal from the eight.
Points-wise, the box alone can have up to 1180 points, from there just buy a SC! and get the SE half from the Starter Set and you have a pretty competitive army.
All the units are viable, particularly the Paladins and Dracothian Guard: if you have a row of good rolls, the Paladins as Protectors can solo the Glottking at full wounds,while the Dracothian Guard as Fulminators can solo Archaon. And that's not even open play.
Has anyone calculated how many points each of the battleforces gives you? It feels so long ago that I could have just looked at a group of minis and estimated their costs because I had read every codex and army book front to back multiple times. (4th and 6th edition maybe?)
Zatsuku wrote: Has anyone calculated how many points each of the battleforces gives you? It feels so long ago that I could have just looked at a group of minis and estimated their costs because I had read every codex and army book front to back multiple times. (4th and 6th edition maybe?)
I have the points for the AoS BFs:
Sylvaneth: up to 1240, assuming that you deploy Durthu (400), a Treelord costs 260 and an Ancient Treelord costs 300.
Stormcast Eternals: up to 1180, assuming the most expensive units: Knight-Venator (120) instead Knight-Azyros (100), Paladins Retributors (200) instead Protectors/Decimators (200) and Dracothian Guard Concussors (280) instead Desolators/Fulminators/Tempestors (240).
Ironjawz: 980, 800 from the Ironjawz, 180 from the Gargant.
Khorne: up to 860, assuming that you deployed Wrathmongers (180) instead Skullreapers (140).
How useful is the Tau one to someone starting from scratch? I'm already getting a couple AoS ones, but I might get a kick out of having a small Tau force.
Erren wrote: How useful is the Tau one to someone starting from scratch? I'm already getting a couple AoS ones, but I might get a kick out of having a small Tau force.
It's a formation in a box, that saves you a hefty chunk of savings.
Growing out from that box, you could add:
Two Pathfinder units
Two Broadsides
A box of Stealth Suits
From there, you have two formations from the two campaign books(Mont'ka and Kauyon).
Three Pathfinder units and three Broadside units[which can be 1 Broadside each] is a formation that boosts your Pathfinders' cover saves and makes it so Broadsides get double the Markerlight Counters when firing at the Pathfinders' targets and the Broadsides can Overwatch as far as their weapons have range, two Stealth Suit boxes and a Ghostkeel equals an Optimized Stealth Cadre which is...a good formation.
Alternatively, you can do a pair of Start Collecting sets($85 for a box of Crisis Suits, Fire Warriors, and Ethereal on Hover Drone...the Fire Warriors are $50 and the Crisis Suits are $75 themselves) and make a CAD if you want to avoid formations. The Start Collectings also include a formation to boot.
I would like to start an army and I was wondering since I can only afford three boxes. Between ad mech and deathwatch which would make the most since on purchasing two boxes for and if you could explain why?
bum4life wrote: I would like to start an army and I was wondering since I can only afford three boxes. Between ad mech and deathwatch which would make the most since on purchasing two boxes for and if you could explain why?
bum4life wrote: I would like to start an army and I was wondering since I can only afford three boxes. Between ad mech and deathwatch which would make the most since on purchasing two boxes for and if you could explain why?
Three battleforces, or three boxes in general?
I'm sorry about that. I meant three battleforces.Also about how many points is each battle force box. I'm sorry that I'm asking all these questions it's just that I'm still a bit overwhelmed of it all since this is my first foray into wargaming.
Yay! Hit and run on a razorback! Oh but it has 0 init you say? well we'll take care of that! I love it when formations let you do goofy fun things that aren't totally broken.
bum4life wrote: I would like to start an army and I was wondering since I can only afford three boxes. Between ad mech and deathwatch which would make the most since on purchasing two boxes for and if you could explain why?
Three battleforces, or three boxes in general?
I'm sorry about that. I meant three battleforces.Also about how many points is each battle force box. I'm sorry that I'm asking all these questions it's just that I'm still a bit overwhelmed of it all since this is my first foray into wargaming.
Well, if your criteria is "How to get the best bang for your buck"?
Deathwatch, hands down. The Deathwatch Kill-Team kit is incredibly versatile, since it can be combined with the basic Space Marine kits for more flexibility and variety. Add to it that the Deathwatch Bikers and Deathwatch Terminator sets both include the "Deathwatch Upgrade Frame" which is currently unavailable elsewhere(it actually boosts the value of each of those boxes by roughly $13.50 per frame, the price of equivalent Upgrade Frames for the other Space Marine Chapters) and you have more ways to outfit any standard Space Marine stuff you buy.
Points are going to vary wildly based upon how you choose to outfit everything.
Caved and ordered the AM box along with there start collecting set and the IG Enginseer model. There gonna get added to the future projects pile. So I'll probably get to them just in time for the 2nd combined AM codex
bum4life wrote: I would like to start an army and I was wondering since I can only afford three boxes. Between ad mech and deathwatch which would make the most since on purchasing two boxes for and if you could explain why?
Deathwatch is a good deal but honestly isn't the best stand alone army.
My suggestion is buy the ad mech battleforce and ad mech start collecting set online for 25% off. Find a cheap knight warden kit online. And you have everything you need to field a war convocation list that's competitive fun and fluffy.
Eventually you'll sprinkle the list with other units you like that fit that formation and buy a new 8th ed codex that bound to come out soon.
Wow, I was not expecting a bonus on the Deathwatch formation anywhere near that. Hit and Run Terminators and Frag Cannon Squads are going to be brutal. Combine it with a Black Spear Strike Force and you have an extremely mean force to field. Heck, a CAD to get some Vanguard Veterans to attach to that Hit and Run Watch Master will be brutal if you give some of them Heavy Thunder Hammers.
Vankraken wrote: The Tau and Wolves formations seem rather meh. Ad Mech and especially the Deathwatch ones are quite usable.
The Tau one, given the lion's share of the contents(Ghostkeel, Stealth Suits, Commander Suit) have Relentless by virtue of being Jet Pack units, seems at first glance to be the dud of the group...but it does make Pathfinders and Broadsides a bit more interesting at least. Broadsides lack Relentless natively so that formation bonus is nice for them. The Tau one would be much nicer if the TY7 Devilfish wasn't required(not sure why it is its own unit rather than the DT for the Pathfinders) and if you could take units of Broadsides instead of a single one.
Wolves one is pretty good too, since there's no range requirement.
How is the Tau one bad? Extra 6" move for free is not a bad thing. Perhaps not as good as other ways to take those units (OSC for instance) but fast = good
Requizen wrote: How is the Tau one bad? Extra 6" move for free is not a bad thing. Perhaps not as good as other ways to take those units (OSC for instance) but fast = good
Look at the contents of the box.
1x Ghostkeel 1x Broadside 1x Commander 1x Stealth Suit Squad 1x Pathfinder Squad 1x TY7 Devilfish Whatever Drones you decide to have accompanying the units
Out of all of those items, only two of them lack the ability to move and fire Heavy weapons with no penalty. Broadsides and Pathfinders. Everything else has Relentless by virtue of being Jetpack Infantry(or Jetpack Monstrous Creature for the Ghostkeel) or a Vehicle(TY7 Devilfish). Beyond that, the Pathfinders and Broadside are realistically going to be the only item you take a Heavy weapon on that you don't want to Snap-Shoot with.
Again, it's not bad...it's just a formation bonus that seems to be a bit weird. It seems almost like it might be future proofing things(I could see Relentless being removed as a USR for Monstrous Creatures and Jetpack units for example) for a new edition...or it was just written by someone who hadn't ever read the Tau codex.
If the box had contained a couple of squads of Fire Warriors? This formation would be a hell of a lot more intriguing IMO.
I said its meh and the Hunter Cadre already has something similar with the Run and Shoot ability. Add in 3 units of Firewarriors and the formation becomes a valid cadre but you also get a ton of extra flexibility in what else you take. Also the formation specifically says 1 (model name here) instead of 1 unit of (model name) so you can only use a single model units except for the pathfinders which is a unit.
casvalremdeikun wrote: Wow, I was not expecting a bonus on the Deathwatch formation anywhere near that. Hit and Run Terminators and Frag Cannon Squads are going to be brutal. Combine it with a Black Spear Strike Force and you have an extremely mean force to field. Heck, a CAD to get some Vanguard Veterans to attach to that Hit and Run Watch Master will be brutal if you give some of them Heavy Thunder Hammers.
I agree with the assessment. However you still lose all those killteam formation benefits for that hit an run.
casvalremdeikun wrote: Wow, I was not expecting a bonus on the Deathwatch formation anywhere near that. Hit and Run Terminators and Frag Cannon Squads are going to be brutal. Combine it with a Black Spear Strike Force and you have an extremely mean force to field. Heck, a CAD to get some Vanguard Veterans to attach to that Hit and Run Watch Master will be brutal if you give some of them Heavy Thunder Hammers.
I agree with the assessment. However you still lose all those killteam formation benefits for that hit an run.
There is definitely a tradeoff, for sure. You could always use unattached Kill Teams rather than the whole Black Spear Strike Force. An Aquila Kill Team with Vanguard Veterans attached is probably going to be a much cheaper option in terms of points.
ERJAK wrote: Yay! Hit and run on a razorback! Oh but it has 0 init you say? well we'll take care of that! I love it when formations let you do goofy fun things that aren't totally broken.
Vehicles have Hit and Run by default, since they can't be locked in combat unless they are a walker (or Superheavy Walker for stupid reasons)
I like the Deathwatch and AdMech formations- AdMech has the units I was planning to build from the box, and the Deathwatch one I find hilarious that it is called Unceasing Assault, and the rule lets you end an assault and get clear.
ERJAK wrote: Yay! Hit and run on a razorback! Oh but it has 0 init you say? well we'll take care of that! I love it when formations let you do goofy fun things that aren't totally broken.
Vehicles have Hit and Run by default, since they can't be locked in combat unless they are a walker (or Superheavy Walker for stupid reasons)
I like the Deathwatch and AdMech formations- AdMech has the units I was planning to build from the box, and the Deathwatch one I find hilarious that it is called Unceasing Assault, and the rule lets you end an assault and get clear.
Hit and Run on the Razorback does give you free movement, though, which is nice.
Just had an email from The Outpost informing me that GW have not provided them with any Sylvaneth battleforces, apparently other independent stores are in the same boat.
Undead_Love-Machine wrote: Just had an email from The Outpost informing me that GW have not provided them with any Sylvaneth battleforces, apparently other independent stores are in the same boat.
GW will be updating them with more info later...
The Sylvaneth battleforce is sold out in the online store. Alarielle is sold out again too. You would think they would know by now that the Sylvaneth are pretty popular.
I'm gonna be piiiissed if they don't reconsider to launch this Battleforces again. I just got the money today to buy the Sylvaneth one and... yeah, figure it out...
I mean, really, why even brand the boxes and respective formations names if they will only last a week?
On a little off-topic, Space Hulk once again is sold out.
I wonder if they only made them available to US FLGS because of their lack of penetration in the US storewise. Haven't recieved any emails yet from my purchaser stating it's unavailable to them so we'll have to see what happens.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Throwing out that one of my local flgs got a copy of all the Battleforces and there is a gw in town so I think the us might be allocating differently
NAVARRO wrote: More sets are sold out for AoS… selling like hotcakes.
As a fan of Age of Sigmar I would say great news, cynic side of me, says GW didn't produce enough on purpose to create artificial hype for AoS to appear to make it more popular than it really seems. Damn I have been a cynic for too long now. Even when I see something good, I am always thinking there is an alternative motive.
NAVARRO wrote: More sets are sold out for AoS… selling like hotcakes.
As a fan of Age of Sigmar I would say great news, cynic side of me, says GW didn't produce enough on purpose to create artificial hype for AoS to appear to make it more popular than it really seems. Damn I have been a cynic for too long now. Even when I see something good, I am always thinking there is an alternative motive.
We can infer a lot about the success of aos from these sets. 3 are sold out in the UK, but none in the US, whereas the traitor legions book is out of stock in the US but not the UK.
It seems clear that Aos is doing very well in the UK, but has not caught on worldwide, while The US is still very much the bastion of 40k.
I don't think I'll be buying any of these unfortunately. I'll be away from my apartment for almost a month for the holidays and I really don't want to bring minis back on the plane if I had it shipped to my parent's house.
NAVARRO wrote: More sets are sold out for AoS… selling like hotcakes.
As a fan of Age of Sigmar I would say great news, cynic side of me, says GW didn't produce enough on purpose to create artificial hype for AoS to appear to make it more popular than it really seems. Damn I have been a cynic for too long now. Even when I see something good, I am always thinking there is an alternative motive.
We can infer a lot about the success of aos from these sets. 3 are sold out in the UK, but none in the US, whereas the traitor legions book is out of stock in the US but not the UK.
It seems clear that Aos is doing very well in the UK, but has not caught on worldwide, while The US is still very much the bastion of 40k.
Not really. Australia, NZ and USA haven't run out atm in any box, but only the Khornate Warrior are left in every other regional web store, so it depends of .
And I'm really surprised, I was expecting that from the Sylvaneth box, but not every other AoS; not only that, I thought that the Tau and Deathwatch boxes would be the first to run out in the very first days. Maybe it has to do with the rules.
That being said I'm quite... dunno, I just wanted all of those boxes but the stock seems to have been extremely short.
There is only one thing left to do: go to Facebook and ask for yearly Battleforces or something.
They are listening to us, and they did a second run for many Fantasy miniatures, and this Battleforces are just excellent and not including them more regularly could be a huge miss: they could just work like SC! expansions, making a two-steps army, just like several competitors out there.
December 2017 is getting closer, do you think we'll see similar bundles this year? Any speculation on which factions could be included - maybe the ones for which they released a new codex e.g. death guard or rather something that is not the current hotness?
I'm pretty new to Warhammer and saw there were also bundles released not for Christmas e.g. the virulent horde (march?). Is there some pattern, when such bundles typically get released? So far I only saw rumors on paint and terrain bundles.
Seemed more reasonable to me to ask in this context, rather than start a new thread as point 2 says "Please DO NOT start threads to ask if people have rumours they have not shared" Also wanted ask about the general release pattern, rather than some specific box.