Herzlos wrote: Does anyone think that a character in a fantasy game is going to get someone to buy real fur?
Possibly, you do see the odd sort with long hair, beards, leather jackets gently emulating their favourite game/movie characters irl.
Most people discover GW during their formative years so normalising the wearing of fur probably sinks pretty deep.
I Larp and have leather on all and fur on one of my characters. I'm fairly sure that without GW I wouldn't be Larping.
PETA Wrote:
“From the mighty Leman Russ and Horus Lupercal to Chaos Warriors and the Sisters of Silence, Warhammer features an abundance of characters who wear what appear to be animal pelts, which just doesn’t add up”, the group says in the letter. “These battle-hardened warriors are known for their martial prowess – but wearing the skins of dead animals doesn’t take any skill.”
These skins are most likely trophies so I'd say there is some skill involved in taking down a Fenrisian wolf with your bare hands or strapping a Carnifex skull to the front of your Rhino.
These battle-hardened warriors are known for their martial prowess – but wearing the skins of dead animals doesn’t take any skill.
Wearing it doesn't but slaying Doomwolf of Mt Killyoueasily did take skill and the warrior is going to damn well let you know it by wearing his trophy. It's also cold out there.
Herzlos wrote: Does anyone think that a character in a fantasy game is going to get someone to buy real fur?
Possibly, you do see the odd sort with long hair, beards, leather jackets gently emulating their favourite game/movie characters irl.
Most people discover GW during their formative years so normalising the wearing of fur probably sinks pretty deep.
I Larp and have leather on all and fur on one of my characters. I'm fairly sure that without GW I wouldn't be Larping.
PETA Wrote:
“From the mighty Leman Russ and Horus Lupercal to Chaos Warriors and the Sisters of Silence, Warhammer features an abundance of characters who wear what appear to be animal pelts, which just doesn’t add up”, the group says in the letter. “These battle-hardened warriors are known for their martial prowess – but wearing the skins of dead animals doesn’t take any skill.”
These skins are most likely trophies so I'd say there is some skill involved in taking down a Fenrisian wolf with your bare hands or strapping a Carnifex skull to the front of your Rhino.
It's amusing they would use Leman Russ as an example when, ya know, he walks in to battle alongside 2 giant wolves that tear people apart.
Think of the poor Thousand Sons getting ripped apart by Freki and Geri...
Speaking as a lefty, mostly vegetarian, occasional environmental activist, I'd just like to point out that PETA are a bunch of idiots who give animal rights activism a bad name.
this is so incredibly bad :v
1) there are no wolfs on Fenris
2) there are surely not foxes or little rabbit anywhere in the galaxy anymore
3) surely there is no peta in 40K cause there are no animals
4) the only animals that some rich has are at best cloned, but probably 100% totally artificial creation since original dna will surely been lost long ago
5) peta should go send her letters to all the tribal people that are still around or learn that in some civilization maybe there are tradition and not everybody wear a dead seal pup for fun
6) i reeeeaaaallly hope that GW will answer: "its synthetic adamantin fur you idiot, how do you think real fur can survive plasma shots? go help with real problems"
7) most important: poor tyranids, peta defends rabbits but feth them ugly insects cause they have no fur! shame on you peta
PETA is possibly the biggest group of self-righteous hypocrites out there.
PETA protests against euthanasia, yet have MUCH higher euthanasia rates than the shelters they protest.
Their president protests against animal-based life saving medication (going so far as to literally state that people should be denied that medication) yet she herself is a diabetic that uses insulin.
Of course PETA is often a joke. But it still begs the question, whats the point of the fur on the new stormcast. I mean it is literally just there with the only function to look cool, its not like they need it. Come on I bet there are some Humans out there who ware freezing their ass off, who would love some fur. Don't Stormcast have some heart.
tarrox wrote: Of course PETA is often a joke. But it still begs the question, whats the point of the fur on the new stormcast. I mean it is literally just there with the only function to look cool, its not like they need it. Come on I bet there are some Humans out there who ware freezing their ass off, who would love some fur. Don't Stormcast have some heart.
They were rangers and scouts in their old lives. Most likely barbarian warriors, hunters, gamesman and trappers. Its as much a part o what they were as it is to set them apart from the other Stormcast.
I decided to post a comment on the page, but just in case I get censored, I'll repost it here verbatim.
The Warhammer 40,000 universe is supposed to portray a cruel and malevolent setting utterly devoid of any humanity or kindness, as summarized in the phrase "grimdark," which is commonly used to describe the setting. It seems to me, that in a universe composed entirely of immoral villains, hell bent on exterminating literally everything they cannot enslave or exploit, expecting the characters to suddenly stop wearing fur out of moral considerations in entirely missing the point.
Scratch that. I didn't realize there were other comments until after I posted. It seems that at least 50 other people made the same point that I did
Ginjitzu wrote: I decided to post a comment on the page, but just in case I get censored, I'll repost it here verbatim.
The Warhammer 40,000 universe is supposed to portray a cruel and malevolent setting utterly devoid of any humanity or kindness, as summarized in the phrase "grimdark," which is commonly used to describe the setting. It seems to me, that in a universe composed entirely of immoral villains, hell bent on exterminating literally everything they cannot enslave or exploit, expecting the characters to suddenly stop wearing fur out of moral considerations in entirely missing the point.
Scratch that. I didn't realize there were other comments until after I posted. It seems that at least 50 other people made the same point that I did
Could also say that as none of it is real and is all made up, its missing the point.
Ughh, congrats PETA, now you have me defending GW. I feel dirty already.
"Hmm, that fur on Horus looks badass, I might go and buy some real fur to wear." - No geek, ever.....
Roundtree, if he replies at all is likely going to give them a polite, no. PETA will probably make a deal and whine to the media along the lines of "See how bad this evil ignorant company is." Then you will get people who have never heard of GW who will take PETA's side at face value and think they actually have a point.
End result, our hobby is going to get another black mark against it's name, all for some asanine non-sequitur made by a bunch of fanatics, and with the typical fanatic's tenuous grasp of reality and antagonistic relationship with logic and rationale.
The only saving grace here is that it is so ridiculous it is self evident so hopefully more people will see this for the sham that it is rather than take PETA's words for granted.
Angelic_Scars wrote: Ughh, congrats PETA, now you have me defending GW. I feel dirty already.
"Hmm, that fur on Horus looks badass, I might go and buy some real fur to wear." - No geek, ever.....
Roundtree, if he replies at all is likely going to give them a polite, no. PETA will probably make a deal and whine to the media along the lines of "See how bad this evil ignorant company is." Then you will get people who have never heard of GW who will take PETA's side at face value and think they actually have a point.
End result, our hobby is going to get another black mark against it's name, all for some asanine non-sequitur made by a bunch of fanatics, and with the typical fanatic's tenuous grasp of reality and antagonistic relationship with logic and rationale.
The only saving grace here is that it is so ridiculous it is self evident so hopefully more people will see this for the sham that it is rather than take PETA's words for granted.
People paying heed to PETA? Dude do you consider that a black mark? To that kind of people our hobby is almost akin to The boondocks' Uncle Rufus already.
"More people", more like everyone and their mother (unless they are already in PETA's ranks).
What if this is all part of a cunning plan to drive SW sales?
> GW announces they will comply with the demand
> All fur to be removed from Space Wolves within 3 months
> Everyone buys the current range before they get removed
> GW makes a ton of cash
Nothing wrong with killing, as long as it serves a real purpose rather then for sport or fun. You hunt, you kill for food shelter warmth as long as you use the body for a purpose the death had a meaning.
PETA should be happy they wear the fur rather then letting it rot and serve no cause.
Murdock129 wrote: Ah, a bunch of morons who think their opinions matter and actively murder a gak ton of animals don't like our plastic models having fur on them.
Who gives a gak what they think?
They have a surprisingly large following of people who don't actually look into what they do closely and they fund several terrorist animal life groups.
"Indeed, nothing on the bloody battlefields of Warhammer’s war-torn world could match the horrific reality that foxes, minks, rabbits, and other living beings experience at the hands of the fur trade."
... I'm going to indulge myself and eat a steak this week, just for you, PETA. I wasn't going to, but then I read this nonsense, and a good steak sounds REALLY nice right now.
As an animal lover, this kind of crap infuriates me.
This move does nothing to actually help animals, or reduce animal suffering in the world. It just makes those concerned about animal mistreatment look like fething lunatics.
Feth you, PETA. Stick with what you know - stealing and killing people's pets.
In the USA, if you want to donate to animal-lover groups, I recommend the Humane Society. Its various state branches usually have pretty good reputations for dealing with animal rights in a practical manner-- caring for strays, ensuring there's no abusive practices, pushing for investigation of animal cruelty cases, ensuring practical protection of wildlife, etc. I know the Humane Society of Texas is usually very well respected by people in the state, regardless of political leanings.
PETA is garbage. We have far better groups than them.
Their president protests against animal-based life saving medication (going so far as to literally state that people should be denied that medication) yet she herself is a diabetic that uses insulin.
Just a petty gripe from someone in pharmacy here - insulin hasn't been derived from animals for a while now, it's all made using bacteria with the right genes inserted.
I'm currently working on my night lords characters ATM, imagining a grin on the night hunter's face when he reply to PETAs request, "I will oblige, but I am cold, so so cold!"
The best reply would be saying "Well, we can't get rid of the fur, 'cos in 40k mankind is made up of complete donkey-caves and wearing fur is part of that". But best reaction would be to just ignore thouse retards.
Man, it would be great if the Regimental Standard did an article tomorrow about PETT, People for the Ethical Treatment of Tyranids, doing some kind of protest of some sort. There were no survivors.
Imagine you are in the middle of a game at your local store and a PITA character pops in and drenches your minis in a bucket of red paint!
Hilarity ensues.
As utterly ridiculous as this is, it does make me nervous that triggered snowflakes are paying attention to 40k. Hopefully GW ignore this crap and it goes no further
This is one of the dumbest thing I ever saw.
PETA makes their usual publicity stunt, and the usual ultra-thin skinned people lose their gak.
Gamers in general (mostly video game and apparently wargaming too) seem to have no shortage of ultra-thin skinned people who need to grow up a bit, mature, stop failing for the most obvious of baits, and not go into full unbridled fury at the slightest perceived offense…
Snake Tortoise wrote: As utterly ridiculous as this is, it does make me nervous that triggered snowflakes are paying attention to 40k. Hopefully GW ignore this crap and it goes no further
If there are triggered snowflakes involved, it's definitely those that wrote, signed, and took that petition seriously. That got to be the most absurd thing ever. GW is known for NOT engaging into any meaningful conversation with its fanbase. They would never listen to any petition, and you should know it. Especially not a petition that asks them to do something that could only hurt from a PR statement. PETA is doing this kind of publicity stunts all the freaking time. Don't you remember the Pokemon one? And the Mario one? And the other Pokemon one? And… They do it because it works. It works because thin-skin outraged gamers spread the word far and loud.
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streetsamurai wrote: Considering what PETA just did I have a lot of objections with calling this petition one of the dumbest thing ever
PETA's publicity stunt, while not very clever, definitely is much more cunning and efficient at reaching their goal than that literally useless and pitiful (66 needed to reach 100 LOLOLOL) petition is.
Snake Tortoise wrote: As utterly ridiculous as this is, it does make me nervous that triggered snowflakes are paying attention to 40k. Hopefully GW ignore this crap and it goes no further
You are the one posting internet petitions asking for GW (of all companies…) to make a public statement against PETA. If there are triggered snowflakes involved, you definitely are among the most triggered. Unless you were posting the petition on jest while not supporting it …
Seriously, that got to be the most absurd thing ever. GW is known for NOT engaging into any meaningful conversation with its fanbase. They would never listen to any petition, and you should know it. Especially not a petition that asks them to do something that could only hurt from a PR statement. PETA is doing this kind of publicity stunts all the freaking time. Don't you remember the Pokemon one? And the Mario one? And the other Pokemon one? And… They do it because it works. It works because thin-skin outraged gamers spread the word far and loud.
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streetsamurai wrote: Considering what PETA just did I have a lot of objections with calling this petition one of the dumbest thing ever
PETA's publicity stunt, while not very clever, definitely is much more cunning and efficient at reaching their goal than that literally useless and pitiful (66 needed to reach 100 LOLOLOL) petition is.
Not a irrational reaction.
All they need to send is a polite neatly made up no letter to Peta.
No fuss, no anger just a firm refusal.
jhe90 wrote: All they need to send is a polite neatly made up no letter to Peta.
No fuss, no anger just a firm refusal.
What a great idea! So that then, the media can write tons of article about it, giving PETA more publicity, and encouraging them to that kind of things again.
I mean, great idea if you are a PETA supporter. If you are a PETA hater, that's the dumbest idea ever. Personally I'm quite neutral toward PETA, but I am completely appalled by how thin-skinned AND short-sighted PETA haters that want to promote that petition are.
Because if you looked at all the stuff we could petition GW to do, and you decided the most important was not terrible price, not terrible rules and imbalances, not the canning of a whole game (RIP WFB), but answering on your behalf to a publicity stunt, you DEFINITELY need to grow a thicker skin, and try to learn to ignore trolls.
Also still 66 needed .
Does anyone know how hierarchical PETA is ? Are these sort of letters the result of well planned tough out media strategies by large teams of experts or is any person in their organisation free to do whatever as long as the net result might just be less animal cruelty. For it seems that they completely misunderstand the whole distopian nightmare part of the setting.
Snake Tortoise wrote: As utterly ridiculous as this is, it does make me nervous that triggered snowflakes are paying attention to 40k. Hopefully GW ignore this crap and it goes no further
You are the one posting internet petitions asking for GW (of all companies…) to make a public statement against PETA. If there are triggered snowflakes involved, you definitely are among the most triggered. Unless you were posting the petition on jest while not supporting it …
You got the wrong guy there lol
It's also worth noting that the person that DID post the petition was doing it as their first post. So they came in to join the dakka community because this letter hit them so hard they couldn't ignore it and had to jump on their
Jacksmiles wrote: It's also worth noting that the person that DID post the petition was doing it as their first post. So they came in to join the dakka community because this letter hit them so hard they couldn't ignore it and had to jump on their
Seeing how easy it is to manipulate people makes me lose my faith in humanity more and more. Especially with recent political stuff…
Relapse wrote: Imagine you are in the middle of a game at your local store and a PITA character pops in and drenches your minis in a bucket of red paint!
Hilarity ensues.
Knowing the group I play with, it would be a big boot party immediately afterwards.
Just remember, everyone. Fur of alien wolves is so bad, it proves those inhuman monsters the Space Wolves are evil. They need to stick to good, honorable body-horror material like the good guys of the Imperium deal in:
Relapse wrote: Imagine you are in the middle of a game at your local store and a PITA character pops in and drenches your minis in a bucket of red paint!
Hilarity ensues.
Knowing the group I play with, it would be a big boot party immediately afterwards.
And many of them wear steel toed boots...
You know I think man at arms.. The smiths who make movie props etc make a working chainsword And a model minis skulls.. They even exist lpl
Snake Tortoise wrote: As utterly ridiculous as this is, it does make me nervous that triggered snowflakes are paying attention to 40k. Hopefully GW ignore this crap and it goes no further
If there are triggered snowflakes involved, it's definitely those that wrote, signed, and took that petition seriously. That got to be the most absurd thing ever. GW is known for NOT engaging into any meaningful conversation with its fanbase. They would never listen to any petition, and you should know it. Especially not a petition that asks them to do something that could only hurt from a PR statement. PETA is doing this kind of publicity stunts all the freaking time. Don't you remember the Pokemon one? And the Mario one? And the other Pokemon one? And… They do it because it works. It works because thin-skin outraged gamers spread the word far and loud.
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streetsamurai wrote: Considering what PETA just did I have a lot of objections with calling this petition one of the dumbest thing ever
PETA's publicity stunt, while not very clever, definitely is much more cunning and efficient at reaching their goal than that literally useless and pitiful (66 needed to reach 100 LOLOLOL) petition is.
If their goal is to make fools of themselves and completely delegitimize their cause, yeah this publicity stunt achieve this. I'm nitpicking though. Agreed that this petition is a waste of time.
streetsamurai wrote: If their goal is to make fools of themselves and completely delegitimize their cause, yeah this publicity stunt achieve this. I'm nitpicking though.
A lot more people think they are stupid but a few will give them money so it's worth it.
It ain't affecting how anyone with a brain think about their cause because they can make the difference between the cause and PETA's publicity stunt.
Disagreed strongly. It only make them look like irrationnal extremists, who waste their times on futility instead of trying to make something worthwhile. They seems to be believer in the ''Any publicity is good publicity'' adage, but it is completely discredited.
I would think that these kinds of stunts only results in persons turning towards other animal protection groups.
Relapse wrote: Imagine you are in the middle of a game at your local store and a PITA character pops in and drenches your minis in a bucket of red paint!
Hilarity ensues.
Knowing the group I play with, it would be a big boot party immediately afterwards.
And many of them wear steel toed boots...
What if it was Khorne or Blood Angels, though? Might save some money on undercoating!
streetsamurai wrote: I would think that these kinds of stunts only results in persons turning towards other animal protection groups.
I assumed “their cause” meant “animal protection”. If you meant “their cause” as in “PETA's funding” it's another matter entirely ^^. Plenty of people despise PETA even among hardcore animal right activists, for a bunch of reason.
streetsamurai wrote: If their goal is to make fools of themselves and completely delegitimize their cause, yeah this publicity stunt achieve this. I'm nitpicking though.
A lot more people think they are stupid but a few will give them money so it's worth it.
It ain't affecting how anyone with a brain think about their cause because they can make the difference between the cause and PETA's publicity stunt.
It's actually more damaging. Sure, a thousand people may see and maybe one of them may pay. Compare that them making a good publicity (ie: them NOT being involved in scandals and doing good noteworthy stuff) where a hundred people hear it and 20 buy it. 20vs1, even though the afforum is smaller, is a better result. And this scenario would scale up better as word diffused. People will be more willing to contact and need you if they hear you do your job. I still have to see people going to the village idiot's "clinic" to get medical help willingly.
I find it odd they would even target such a niche hobby. But yeah this is pretty stupid. If GW allows themselves to be intimidated by this then I will be immensely disappointed in them as a company. Considering this is a fantasy universe where people have chopped off heads on their armor, clutched in their hands etc and heavily mutilated people etc.
I'm not sure if it's just a coincidence or on purpose, but one of the local GWs here just reposted the Warhammer TV's Tip of the Day - Fur Coats on their Facebook page.
"Whether it's for a Chaos Warrior, Space Wolf or the new Stormcast Vanguard out in February. What's an easy way to paint fur coats? ... If you'd like to join the fun and learn how to paint some fur coats. We have you covered."
I do find it amusing this happens right as we're about to get a subfaction of stormcast eternals whose main visual difference is being decked out in pelts and furs. But they also fight alongside/ ride animals and presumably treat them with respect.
The liberal junk has already tainted star wars and mass effect, but don't dare try to change my beloved warhammer stuff.
Relapse wrote: Imagine you are in the middle of a game at your local store and a PITA character pops in and drenches your minis in a bucket of red paint!
Hilarity ensues.
still laughing from this morning. this is the stupidest thing I've seen in some time on soooooo many levels. Maybe they;ll go after PP for gators and pigs, wolves and of course, trolls. (Internet)Trolls, Scandinavian or otherwise, deserve respec.. oh, I just can't do it.
Dakka Wolf wrote: Here's hoping GW release some 'Fur Keeps' edition Space Wolves models.
Why would they. We the community have just been trolled by PETA.
PETA cares about awareness, they want the world to know that fur is bad. They do not really care about the infinite small portion of the population who happens to be a GW customer and be inspired to buy fur.
They do however care about poking us as a vocal and easy to stir fan base into a response that spreads their message for free.
So what GW, and we should really do is just ignore this troll attempt. We do not want to show them that this is an effective way to market their message or we are in for more of this crap in the future.
This move does nothing to actually help animals, or reduce animal suffering in the world. It just makes those concerned about animal mistreatment look like fething lunatics.
Feth you, PETA. Stick with what you know - stealing and killing people's pets.
Bi'ios wrote: Maybe it's really a deep cover guerilla advertising scheme
Jup this. Thats all what the largest branch of PETA and most other NGO's are about. We are being trolled and used guys, please move along in an orderly fashion unless you really want more of this sort of hip new commercials in your hobby.
Not a irrational reaction.
All they need to send is a polite neatly made up no letter to Peta.
No fuss, no anger just a firm refusal.
That would be silly. All they "need" to do is not address or acknowledge the silly "press release" or the equally silly petition in any way and the whole thing will be completely forgotten in less than a week.
Dakka Wolf wrote: Here's hoping GW release some 'Fur Keeps' edition Space Wolves models.
Why would they. We the community have just been trolled by PETA.
PETA cares about awareness, they want the world to know that fur is bad. They do not really care about the infinite small portion of the population who happens to be a GW customer and be inspired to buy fur.
They do however care about poking us as a vocal and easy to stir fan base into a response that spreads their message for free.
So what GW, and we should really do is just ignore this troll attempt. We do not want to show them that this is an effective way to market their message or we are in for more of this crap in the future.
Nothing says "I don't stop because you've got an issue" like releasing a new line of the models that upset them in the first place. Sadly, nothing says "I don't care at all" like GW says it.
Dakka Wolf wrote: Here's hoping GW release some 'Fur Keeps' edition Space Wolves models.
Why would they. We the community have just been trolled by PETA.
PETA cares about awareness, they want the world to know that fur is bad. They do not really care about the infinite small portion of the population who happens to be a GW customer and be inspired to buy fur.
They do however care about poking us as a vocal and easy to stir fan base into a response that spreads their message for free.
So what GW, and we should really do is just ignore this troll attempt. We do not want to show them that this is an effective way to market their message or we are in for more of this crap in the future.
It's also worth noting that the person that DID post the petition was doing it as their first post. So they came in to join the dakka community because this letter hit them so hard they couldn't ignore it and had to jump on their
All they need to send is a polite neatly made up no letter to Peta.
No fuss, no anger just a firm refusal.
I respectfully disagree. PETA are militant hippy attention whores.
There is only one way to deal with them. Ignore them. If they attack your businesses and/or employees, then you arrest them and sue the feth out of them.
Giving attention whores attention is why we all know who Westborro Baptist Church is.
Guys, they're not saying wearing fur is unacceptable. The fur trade is what they hate. Still, I don't see why banning fur from miniatures helps anything, seeing as PETA probably doesn't exist in 40k.
As well as possessing huge guns, swords and axes, the tiny models also come equipped with painted on 'fur' pelts (circled) that the animal rights charity has taken offence to
As well as possessing huge guns, swords and axes, the tiny models also come equipped with painted on 'fur' pelts (circled) that the animal rights charity has taken offence to
Its funny to me because god forbid a character wears an animals fur, but when the same character screams into battle beheading their opponent and wearing the persons head as a trophy its completely okay.
Any violence against animals is just as, if not, more prevalent as violence against humans.
I would LOVE to see any of the PETA guys trying to tell Russ not to wear fur, nor to go with his brothers to battle.
Btw, I didnt see anything about Tyranids sooo we should guess killing giant cockroaches is good unless you wear their "skin" afterwards? XD
Angelic_Scars wrote: Ughh, congrats PETA, now you have me defending GW. I feel dirty already.
"Hmm, that fur on Horus looks badass, I might go and buy some real fur to wear." - No geek, ever.....
Roundtree, if he replies at all is likely going to give them a polite, no. PETA will probably make a deal and whine to the media along the lines of "See how bad this evil ignorant company is." Then you will get people who have never heard of GW who will take PETA's side at face value and think they actually have a point.
End result, our hobby is going to get another black mark against it's name, all for some asanine non-sequitur made by a bunch of fanatics, and with the typical fanatic's tenuous grasp of reality and antagonistic relationship with logic and rationale.
The only saving grace here is that it is so ridiculous it is self evident so hopefully more people will see this for the sham that it is rather than take PETA's words for granted.
People paying heed to PETA? Dude do you consider that a black mark? To that kind of people our hobby is almost akin to The boondocks' Uncle Rufus already.
"More people", more like everyone and their mother (unless they are already in PETA's ranks).
Yeah I do. I have no doubt more people will see it for what it is, this thread is full of them for example. This thread however also has one person who confessed to previously having a favourable opinion of them. I confess to having one until I looked into it. I'm not saying it is the end times but it is one more reason/excuse for some people to look down on us.
The problem is too many people ask what is PETA about? Oh they are all about helping animals? That's cool. I like PETA. That might even be true on the surface of it, at least in some particular instances but if you look into theirs methods, see the specific usually specious arguments and accusations, well despite being under an otherwise valid and worthy cause, they are not actually helping that cause or being valid and worthy.
Good point though about people already having a low opinion of the hobby. That is fair enough.
Maybe this is true, maybe it's what the Emperor was doing wrong all along. If he had maybe hugged an Ork and taken it to his bosom, rather than ram his flaming sword through its heart, the Imperium would be a better place. Orks could feed the Hivecities with .. themselves, Tau could be raced around a racetrack with Ratlings on their backs. Tyranids could clean drainage systems. Oh mine eyes are opened to a new dawn for the Imperium, Glorious Harmony. Join me my Xenos brothers and sisters join me in ... *BOOM*
hotsauceman1 wrote: I mean, 40k made me wanna wear fur.
My next 40k cosplay will be a Space Wolf with real fur tht I hunted down myself with my bear hands.
Thank you.
It's a stock letter set up that I use for roleplay, tournament certificates or dumb stuff to send to friends.
Just run it through onto some certificate paper and hit it with stamps.
PETA doesn't care about the facts, only the perception of them. They were a big part in the Ringling Brothers circus going under (last show this coming May, I believe) due to their outcry of animal mistreatment. They sued the circus every year, so even though their claims were unsubstantiated and they were forced to pay reparations each time for defamation, they essentially won anyway because enough people believed their claims.
On a side note, shouldn't they then support evil characters wearing fur so it shows the depth of their callous natures?
Don't worry PETA, no animals were harmed in the making of "faux fur" which is not an animal product. In the grim far future they only use synthetic fibers designed to resemble fur. It does not encourage the breeding of animals to make real fur.
The only difference in the future is that their "fake fur" actually insulates and allows the skin to breath, unlike our current version of faux fur.
They are welcome to dispute those claims... as soon as they identify what creature they came from as well as provide a live specimen as proof. ^_^
Dark Severance wrote: They are welcome to dispute those claims... as soon as they identify what creature they came from as well as provide a live specimen as proof. ^_^
I eagerly await the intelligent horse sized mutant wolves.
Great take down of how tone deaf this call for action is on PETA's part in regards to the wider violence and horror portrayed in 40k.
I love this paragraph in particular, though:
Peta isn’t trying to be difficult here. It even says as much: “While we appreciate that these are fictional characters,” the letter ends, “draping them in what looks to be a replica of a dead animal sends the message that wearing fur is acceptable.” It’s not entirely clear what other, more positive, messages Peta is getting from the wider Warhammer universe, though.
Great take down of how tone deaf this call for action is on PETA's part in regards to the wider violence and horror portrayed in 40k.
I love this paragraph in particular, though:
Peta isn’t trying to be difficult here. It even says as much: “While we appreciate that these are fictional characters,” the letter ends, “draping them in what looks to be a replica of a dead animal sends the message that wearing fur is acceptable.” It’s not entirely clear what other, more positive, messages Peta is getting from the wider Warhammer universe, though.
Sick burn!
One of the few times I have actually agreed with a Guardian Article! (no offense to the Guardian, I mean no disrespect)
As I sit here assembling my Iron Fang Pikemen for my Khador army, I am sadly disappointed in their life decisions to have fur on their cloaks to help them keep warm in the frozen north of the Khadoran Empire. How dare they try to survive the cold weather to slay their enemies...
That's it, I can never field them now because of how much they have angered my soul at the sculpted pewter fur hahaha.
Holy crap though, imagine if PETA ever gets a glance at the Warjack Ruin. Their hippie heads would explode.
PETA saying something dumb? Why do I feel like this has happened before...? before... before...
~fade out.~
~the soothing sounds of snoop dog's "drop it like it's hot" fade in~
~cell phones still flip~
~facebook has yet to be~
The Web was just going 2.0, and some enterprising idiots decide a holocaust themed AR campaign is exactly what Germany needed.
The last image dates it in 2005 but I did not mistype earlier. This campaign ran for quite a while.
It pisses everyone off, the "if ya really think about it crowd" gets turned off by all the anger, and PETA gets a couple of bucks and more volunteers for having their heart in the right place. Not too unlike how Trump pulled out his win.
Anyway, not to dwell. I'm pretty sure Germany forgave PETA after their next ad campaign.
Not for the faint of heart:
Spoiler:
They... uhhh... Make some excellent points. Ya know?
NH Gunsmith wrote: As I sit here assembling my Iron Fang Pikemen for my Khador army, I am sadly disappointed in their life decisions to have fur on their cloaks to help them keep warm in the frozen north of the Khadoran Empire. How dare they try to survive the cold weather to slay their enemies...
That's it, I can never field them now because of how much they have angered my soul at the sculpted pewter fur hahaha.
Holy crap though, imagine if PETA ever gets a glance at the Warjack Ruin. Their hippie heads would explode.
Bitch please, the Skorne. Just the Skorne. They'd gak a brick at Agonizers.
Yeah, I think PETA were hoping for free publicity for themselves, but I'm rather hoping that GW will get more publicity out of it, especially given the generally satirical response.
slip wrote: PETA saying something dumb? Why do I feel like this has happened before...? before... before...
~fade out.~
~the soothing sounds of snoop dog's "drop it like it's hot" fade in~
~cell phones still flip~
~facebook has yet to be~
The Web was just going 2.0, and some enterprising idiots decide a holocaust themed AR campaign is exactly what Germany needed.
The last image dates it in 2005 but I did not mistype earlier. This campaign ran for quite a while.
It pisses everyone off, the "if ya really think about it crowd" gets turned off by all the anger, and PETA gets a couple of bucks and more volunteers for having their heart in the right place. Not too unlike how Trump pulled out his win.
Anyway, not to dwell. I'm pretty sure Germany forgave PETA after their next ad campaign.
They're like the Westboro baptists of animal welfare, if the Westboro baptists secretly engaged in homosexual orgies.
KommissarKiln wrote: I haven't been on DakkaDakka for a while, but I have hunted down this thread to gauge the reactions of other people. I was not disappointed.
In all honesty though, people who never heard about 40k are hearing about 40k, so free publicity, right?
I'd argue it's even better than that, given the wider timing.
GW have made a few headlines in the UK given their recent financials being better than expected (such things are getting closer attention in the press due to Brexit).
And as Nerds, we know that 40k's story is advancing.
And being a Long Time Nerd, I must know dozens, if not hundreds of people who used to play, but moved on (no, not always rules rules rules. More commonly 'got married/had a kid/job moved/discovered wimmins and alcohols/went travelling'. That's a lot of people who might see this lunacy by PETA and think 'cor, I used to play that. Wonder what it looks like now?'. It's not going to take a great many getting hooked again to give GW an unexpected boost
Spesh those who did the kiddywink route about 10 years ago....their sprogs might be even moar new blood brought in if Dad picks it up.
In the pursuit of victory and survival, and in the name of the Holy Emperor of Mankind, you will – of course – be required to engage in deadly combat with terrifying foes that may well be trying to flay you alive, but that’s no excuse to stoop to their level. When engaging such foes, you are permitted to undertake the following actions:
Shoot the foe. This is not limited to a single las blast or round. You may continue shooting the foe until long after he has fallen, blasting apart his body until nothing remains to threaten the sanctity of the Imperium.
Cut the foe. This can take the form of a stabbing or slashing motion. You may use knives, swords and other implements to remove limbs and maim. You may even impale the foe’s body on a polearm as a warning to others of the fate that awaits them should they stray from the Emperor’s path.
Crush the foe. Whether under the iron might of a Leman Russ battle tank or the bludgeoning blows of a rock, you may mash the foe’s bones and beat him to a bloody pulp.
What you may NOT do is wear any part of the foe. Not even if they are vicious Clawed Fiends, deadly Khymerae, or ferocious Squigs.
That was a great response from GW. If you call it a response..
PETA likes to rain on everyone's parade and make you depressed. I think they get more enjoyment out of showing animal torture videos and making everyone sad rather than telling people about animal abuse and what to do when seeing it.
It was fun. I'm still saddened by all the geeks that went full “PETA is attacking 40k” or “PETA is offended by fur on miniatures” when the reality is simply “PETA is trying to use yet another bait to make you read their usual IRL defense on why fur is bad (and doesn't actually give a damn about fur in miniatures or GW)”, though. Please stop being so thin-skinned and get able to understand things :(.
Gaming (tabletop, minis, video) skews young, often passionate, and to an extent immature. It's no surprise that their admitted trolling got them the reaction that they were after.
Here's the follow-up for anyone who doesn't want to give them the clicks:
Peta wrote:
PETA and Warhammer 40,000: ‘You Can’t Be Serious?’
Posted by Dan 6 days ago | Permalink | Comments (9)
People around the world are laughing at PETA’s request that Games Workshop remove the “fur trim” from its plastic Warhammer miniatures.
Animal rights group PETA calls for Warhammer fur clothing ban http://ttgami.ng/2kiFmgS 9:46 PM - 30 Jan 2017
27 27 Retweets 35 35 likes
We’re laughing, too! For the cost of a postage stamp, our website has received record traffic – and the people who were prompted to visit our site by this story can’t have missed the prominently featured eyewitness footage showing that animals in real life are electrocuted, drowned, and sometimes even skinned alive for their fur.
Here’s a little secret: we know that Warhammer characters are fictional, and we’re not losing sleep worrying about what Leman Russ or the other miniatures are “wearing”. We are, however, lying awake at night thinking of ways to make people aware that real animals who are raised for their fur, skin, or flesh are suffering every day. We’ll sleep a little more easily tonight knowing that we’ve managed to get nearly a quarter of a million people (and counting!) to visit PETA.org.uk in the days since we sent our letter, because – whatever their reason for doing so – they’ll now know more about the cruelty behind fur.
So by all means, have a laugh at this campaign – you can even laugh at us – but please remember that the fur industry is a living hell for animals. If that bothers you, and it should, please share our fur exposés with your friends and family.
Azazelx wrote: Gaming (tabletop, minis, video) skews young, often passionate, and to an extent immature. It's no surprise that their admitted trolling got them the reaction that they were after.
Here's the follow-up for anyone who doesn't want to give them the clicks:
Peta wrote:
PETA and Warhammer 40,000: ‘You Can’t Be Serious?’
Posted by Dan 6 days ago | Permalink | Comments (9)
People around the world are laughing at PETA’s request that Games Workshop remove the “fur trim” from its plastic Warhammer miniatures.
Animal rights group PETA calls for Warhammer fur clothing ban http://ttgami.ng/2kiFmgS 9:46 PM - 30 Jan 2017
27 27 Retweets 35 35 likes
We’re laughing, too! For the cost of a postage stamp, our website has received record traffic – and the people who were prompted to visit our site by this story can’t have missed the prominently featured eyewitness footage showing that animals in real life are electrocuted, drowned, and sometimes even skinned alive for their fur.
Here’s a little secret: we know that Warhammer characters are fictional, and we’re not losing sleep worrying about what Leman Russ or the other miniatures are “wearing”. We are, however, lying awake at night thinking of ways to make people aware that real animals who are raised for their fur, skin, or flesh are suffering every day. We’ll sleep a little more easily tonight knowing that we’ve managed to get nearly a quarter of a million people (and counting!) to visit PETA.org.uk in the days since we sent our letter, because – whatever their reason for doing so – they’ll now know more about the cruelty behind fur.
So by all means, have a laugh at this campaign – you can even laugh at us – but please remember that the fur industry is a living hell for animals. If that bothers you, and it should, please share our fur exposés with your friends and family.
If that is their true aim, maybe a more tongue in cheek approach would have garnered a more positive response from us. They could have easily saved this for April fools and it would have still got a tonne of publicity, and we would have all probably thought a little more of them for it.
But in doing trolly campaigns like this they may get traffic, but they undermine themselves.
Azazelx wrote: Gaming (tabletop, minis, video) skews young, often passionate, and to an extent immature. It's no surprise that their admitted trolling got them the reaction that they were after.
They've closed the comments on that post, disallowing further discourse. I get the sense that in spite of their claim that they were simply trolling to highlight a more serious issue, inwardly they know they dun goofed and made themselves look like lunatics. And by they, I mean Dan Howe.
Pacific wrote: Always love that things like this get their attention and focus, while things like wider and wider distribution of halal meat go without challenge.
Always easier to pick on the soft, inconsequential target that can't fight back.
Halal meat sells, but the same can't be said about news regarding Halal meat sales.
Davor wrote: Isn't this the same PETA who kills dogs and cats because they don't want to take care of them? Hypocrisy much?
They seriously believe that it's better for animals to be killed than to live their lives as pets. It makes me sick.
For that I will never be able to take PETA seriously, and I don't give them the attention or clicks they want, either. I saw the news trending on Facebook, shook my head and kept going. I'll start believing that they give a gak about the treatment of animals as soon as they stop kidnapping* and murdering them.
Here’s a little secret: we know that Warhammer characters are fictional, and we’re not losing sleep worrying about what Leman Russ or the other miniatures are “wearing”.
Called it. It was just so OBVIOUS.
Pacific wrote: Always love that things like this get their attention and focus, while things like wider and wider distribution of halal meat go without challenge.
Always easier to pick on the soft, inconsequential target that can't fight back.
Always love how people who totally aren't xenophobes think halal meat is the worst animal abuse issue and the only one they care about. I genuinely support animal defense groups that do include this in their fights, and I genuinely despise people that pretends to care about animals well-being when speaking of halal meat and yet gorge themselves on foie gras. But I trust you ain't one of those people.
It tickles me every time someone posts in this thread to point out how other people are being sooo stupid and giving PETA the free advertising that they want.
...and the thread bounces back up the index page and the view counter dial spins some more. Hahaha!
Here’s a little secret: we know that Warhammer characters are fictional, and we’re not losing sleep worrying about what Leman Russ or the other miniatures are “wearing”.
Called it. It was just so OBVIOUS.
Pacific wrote: Always love that things like this get their attention and focus, while things like wider and wider distribution of halal meat go without challenge.
Always easier to pick on the soft, inconsequential target that can't fight back.
Always love how people who totally aren't xenophobes think halal meat is the worst animal abuse issue and the only one they care about. I genuinely support animal defense groups that do include this in their fights, and I genuinely despise people that pretends to care about animals well-being when speaking of halal meat and yet gorge themselves on foie gras. But I trust you ain't one of those people.
Absolutely not, and thanks for not automatically thinking the worst of me!
Halal is just one of many examples of horrendous animal cruelty in the meat processing industry.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: It was fun. I'm still saddened by all the geeks that went full “PETA is attacking 40k” or “PETA is offended by fur on miniatures” when the reality is simply “PETA is trying to use yet another bait to make you read their usual IRL defense on why fur is bad (and doesn't actually give a damn about fur in miniatures or GW)”, though. Please stop being so thin-skinned and get able to understand things :(.
Casey's Law wrote: It tickles me every time someone posts in this thread to point out how other people are being sooo stupid and giving PETA the free advertising that they want.
...and the thread bounces back up the index page and the view counter dial spins some more. Hahaha!
I am glad it bounces back up. I learned how horrible PETA actually is now. I herd before they were not good but the links provided was pretty shocking and the more know this the better. So it's not free advertising for PETA but how actually how horrible and hypocrites they actually are.
Casey's Law wrote: It tickles me every time someone posts in this thread to point out how other people are being sooo stupid and giving PETA the free advertising that they want.
...and the thread bounces back up the index page and the view counter dial spins some more. Hahaha!
I am glad it bounces back up. I learned how horrible PETA actually is now. I herd before they were not good but the links provided was pretty shocking and the more know this the better. So it's not free advertising for PETA but how actually how horrible and hypocrites they actually are.
I'm indifferent to the popularity of this thread, I'm not sure you understood my point. I'm bemoaning those people not agreeing with them, wasn't that clear?
Pacific wrote: Always love that things like this get their attention and focus, while things like wider and wider distribution of halal meat go without challenge.
Always easier to pick on the soft, inconsequential target that can't fight back.
Challenging Halal butchery methods would involve crossing Islam, so nothing is done and PETA are not alone in this. Governments do nothing either, even when livestock handling laws are otherwise very strictly applied.
Anyone who wants to attempt to reform halal, or otherwise challenge Islam, for any motive, will unleash an epic gak storm. The same is also true for Kosher, for broadly similar reasons, though the comeback takes a different form from that from the Moslem community.
