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Post by: scarletsquig
Quick heads up, any email queries related to the Deadzone KS should go directly to:
stewart.gibbs@manticgames.com
.. for a faster reply. Apparently he's the one dealing with it full-time currently.
Only Deadzone KS stuff though, for anything else, contact form or KS messages.
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Post by: timetowaste85
Cool. Stew probably hates me, as I've changed addresses on him for every Kickstarter. And I'm about to do it again.
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Post by: Alpharius
Email sent to Stewart - hopefully everything works out OK for me as I wanted a bit more of that nice hard plastic scenery!
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Post by: judgedoug
I never got my invoice, I sent a message via Facebook and Kai replied.
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Post by: Hulksmash
Yeah, most of my payment was for more scenery. Like another 8 or battlezones of it  It's going to be loaned out to our local GT to build and paint for their November event.
I'll have to email Stewart once I get home to make sure they accepted my payment on my paypal invoice. And then to change my mailing address since we're moving here in the next two weeks.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Have you tried stewart.gibbs @ manticgames.com?
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Post by: Alpharius
I did, and I got an answer and I've still got time, so I'm good to go.
Thanks to all for the help!
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Post by: Hulksmash
Glad to hear. What time frame did they give you Alph? Makes me breath easier since I already sent them another $290 bucks
And anyone remember when Wave 2 looks likely to ship?
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Post by: scarletsquig
End of July for wave 2.
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Post by: Alpharius
They didn't give me a time frame, but it certainly didn't sound urgent either.
I plan on paying next week - payday! - but it looks as if end of June should be well within that Wave 2 shipping date of end of July!
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Post by: GrimDork
End of july huh. So without getting missed and eating a two month delay (like last time), I should have my goodies before august? That would be delightful. And with Mars Attacks right on their heels too. And battle systems arriving in a similar time frame... gonna be buried in boxen!
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Post by: pretre
I am surprisingly calm waiting for wave 2 considering the amount I dropped. I can't wait though.
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Post by: Hulksmash
I'm good too. I'm not in a hurry. Most of what I ordered was terrain so I'm in shoulder shrug mode right now. Then again, I've eased off Kickstarter pretty heavily in the last 6 months. I await the hard plastic warpath kickstarter but outside of that I'll probably hang back on most Mantic kickstarters in the future. I wasn't really happy with pulling the individual model ordering or the inability to order the FF big guys outside of a starter or expansion on the second survey.
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Post by: darkPrince010
Yonan wrote:
Can confirm the SS report of the Mantic clippers being good, can clip models right on the contact point without damaging the model which saves some work. Much better than my old Army Painter clippers.
I can vouch. I got some of the clippers in my box, and now feel like a heathen for using nail clippers for so long.
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Post by: Azazelx
How do they compare to Xuron Clippers?
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Post by: lord marcus
Never tried Xuron, but i'm on my second pair of mantic clippers and my first pair lasted 2 years.
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Post by: Thraxas Of Turai
Not sure if this is "news" or not but confirmation that non KS backers can join the pledge manager for Dreadball Extreme as of next week via the latest Mantic newsletter:
"Well, next week we’re opening the PledgeManager to new backers – that is, even if you didn’t get in on the Kickstarter was live, you can sign-up to the PledgeManager and get access to some of the great reward levels and offers that were available! The PledgeManager itself will close on the 31st July, and you can use either Credit Card OR PayPal, so you’ve got plenty of time to sign-up."
"Your funds will go against stretch goals as well, meaning that the more people that join in, the higher the pledge total gets, the more free stuff we’ll throw in."
I don't know how many people will join but it should see a few more stretch goals hit.
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Post by: Pacific
Think that newsletter is worth copying out in full, some pretty interesting stuff in there.
Really like the look of the Azure Forest limited edition board, although it looks like it will only be available as part of the boxset.
Love some of the effort Mantic seem to be putting in to support tournaments and the like as well, get details of those in every newsletter.
DreadBall - The Futuristic Sports Game is out of stock!
Back in the early days when we funded DreadBall on Kickstarter, only half of the first print run went to backers, and the rest went to our retailers. Since then we’ve reprinted the game three further times, as well as introduced the Kick-off variant.
The Futuristic Sports Game
Well, now the fourth print run of DreadBall – The Futuristic Sports Game has been and gone, closely followed by DreadBall Ultimate and some of the other bits in the range.
But never fear – the Galaxy’s Greatest Sport will be returning this summer.
To celebrate the fifth print run of this iconic game we are creating an all-new Limited Edition Azure Forest DreadBall game set with an incredible Special Edition Azure Forest Gaming Pitch, and:
- A'teo "The Savage" Adyssi MVP
- Azure Forest Rulebook: which includes expansion rules for your DreadBall games and League Rules
- Azure Forest Gaming Cards
- 10 Corporation Players
- 10 Marauder Players
- RefBot
- Balls
- Clear Hex Bases
- Season 1 Rulebook
- Roster Pad
- 18 coloured dice
- 54 Gaming Cards
- Special Edition Box with foil cover.
The new limited edition set begins shipping in July.
More imagery will be coming next week but we just wanted to give you the heads-up first as this set is ONLY available in STRICTLY limited quantities - once they're gone they're gone. Pre-order now on the Mantic Games Website and we will also include two FREE random MVPs in your order!
The Azure Forest Limited Board is based on this great design from FF Fields and Rob Taylor, though will vary with some additional details.
Finally look out for our Azure PrimalBall VIII Mega Bundle, which includes:
- Limited Edition DreadBall: Azure Forest game set
- DreadBall Ultimate: Season 3 rulebook, rubber multiplayer mat, 4 DreadBall Giants, and all the cards and counters you need to play
- A FREE copy of the Season 2 Rulebook
- A FREE Dozer Giant MVP as well!!
Rob's Azure Forest Board in action at the DreadBall National Finals - image courtesy of p-g.net.
A sixth print of DreadBall will be coming later this year, back to the standard specification without all of the special edition goodness. The only difference will be that we’ll take the “Deluxe” off the front of the box, because we know that seemed to confuse a few people.
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Post by: Yonan
Glad to see Dreadball doing so well, I love it - the rules at least ; p
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Post by: Yonan
My Deadzone terrain stencils from Anarchy Models arrived today: Packaged nicely as with the KS, but they now also come with printouts of what's on the stencils which helps a lot as it can be really hard to see what's on the stencil sheets. Bonus cute little tape measure and calculator too ; ) If anyone missed them, here's what they help you do:
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Post by: privateer4hire
Pacific wrote: "Really like the look of the Azure Forest limited edition board, although it looks like it will only be available as part of the boxset. "
That pitch is available directly from FF Fields here (see bottom right most design):
http://www.ff-fields.com/?page_id=1488
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Post by: Thraxas Of Turai
@Yonan: thanks for the post, they look great, and at a very reasonable price too.
Did you go for the full set? Let us know how easy they are to use.
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Post by: Yonan
My pleasure, yeah I bought the set of 3. He has a video of them in use here so you can see for yourself how easy they are. I haven't used the deadzone stencils yet, but I've used other anarchy stencils and they're great, very easy to use.
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Post by: PapaSoul
Wasn't sgt Howlett meant to have claws? I'm sure he did in the concept art.
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Post by: CptJake
PapaSoul wrote:Wasn't sgt Howlett meant to have claws? I'm sure he did in the concept art. Why would the concept art have any bearing on what Mantic ends up producing?
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Post by: pretre
CptJake wrote:PapaSoul wrote:Wasn't sgt Howlett meant to have claws? I'm sure he did in the concept art.
Why would the concept art have any bearing on what Mantic ends up producing?
Look at the picture. He does. They are painted electric blue.
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Post by: Pacific
privateer4hire wrote:Pacific wrote: "Really like the look of the Azure Forest limited edition board, although it looks like it will only be available as part of the boxset. "
That pitch is available directly from FF Fields here (see bottom right most design):
http://www.ff-fields.com/?page_id=1488
Awesome, thanks so much!
Does anyone have any experience of these fields, and their material/build quality/price?
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Post by: Theophony
Been thinking of getting into dreadball  , looks like a good deal for the bundle. Might justify it as a birthday present to myself.
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Post by: GrimDork
But dbx has moar spikes and murders
Is anyone else really excited for the dz solo deck? I could see folks creating "dead mans hand" esque scenarios where its almost impossible to beat the AI's superior force unless you move the right way (and get lucky).
Plus I'd like to get a game in
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Post by: squall018
GrimDork wrote:But dbx has moar spikes and murders
Is anyone else really excited for the dz solo deck? I could see folks creating "dead mans hand" esque scenarios where its almost impossible to beat the AI's superior force unless you move the right way (and get lucky).
Plus I'd like to get a game in 
Ok, I missed something... DZ solo deck???
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Post by: GrimDork
AI deck... lemme find a picture or update...
I can't find a decent blurb, but during the campaign we unlocked a solo zombie campaign and an AI deck so you can play by yourself. There are also rules coming for larger battles involving multiple mats and multiplayer battles. Unless they fail to deliver, I'll have to assume they're coming out later on for retail, starting to wonder if they'll even have everything stuffed into wave 2 or not.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
I thought the multi mat rules and all that were going into the compendium we were supposed to get. Wasn't that supposed to be in Wave 2?
Don't forget we've also got an AI coming for Mars Attacks- that one doesn't involve undead either, as far as we know.
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Post by: GrimDork
Dz is supposed to get multimat, multiplayer, zombie solo campaign, solo/ai deck. Its all due to go into compendium and that should come in wave 2... we just haven't heard a thing about it lately and it takes time to get paper books printed. It all should be in the second shipment, yes.
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Post by: scarletsquig
Hopefully they'll throw some .pdfs at us before it ships.
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Post by: GrimDork
^such a thing would be lovely. I just hope its not done because the book will be delayed. Not sure why I'm quite this pessimistic about it.
Soon enough I'll have my precious solo rules, and a zombie horde to go with them bwahaha.
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Post by: timetowaste85
I can't wait for wave 2 to ship. I definitely want the Merc deck. Blaine is joining my Reb list, meanwhile Howlett might be hitting my Enforcers quickly. But...since both are being painted as different versions of Wolverine...what do I do if they match up against each other ever?! Argh!! Also, Stew was totally understanding of switching my address (for the 5th time since Mantic kickstarters began, no joke). I swear, I make his life a living hell at times. Also, I got my new game store to try it out, and I have two people who tried it and want to keep playing, and a full group of ex-Necromunda players chomping at the bit to play on Sunday. Can't wait!!
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Post by: Yonan
Theophony wrote:Been thinking of getting into dreadball  , looks like a good deal for the bundle. Might justify it as a birthday present to myself.
Do it! Dreadball is a great game. Fast games, lots of strategy, lots of teams... mostly balanced ; p GrimDork wrote:Is anyone else really excited for the dz solo deck? I could see folks creating "dead mans hand" esque scenarios where its almost impossible to beat the AI's superior force unless you move the right way (and get lucky). Plus I'd like to get a game in 
Myself as well! Was really excited when they added that, was a big part of why I went in big. It also means you and a mate vs "the enemy" and so on, which is great as I'm a big fan of co- op play.
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Post by: Talking Banana
Yonan wrote:
GrimDork wrote:Is anyone else really excited for the dz solo deck? I could see folks creating "dead mans hand" esque scenarios where its almost impossible to beat the AI's superior force unless you move the right way (and get lucky).
Plus I'd like to get a game in 
Myself as well! Was really excited when they added that, was a big part of why I went in big. It also means you and a mate vs "the enemy" and so on, which is great as I'm a big fan of co- op play.
Yep, me too.
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Post by: Azazelx
Yonan wrote:
Myself as well! Was really excited when they added that, was a big part of why I went in big. It also means you and a mate vs "the enemy" and so on, which is great as I'm a big fan of co- op play.
You know, that hadn't occurred to me, but it's an excellent option and selling point!
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Post by: Yonan
Damn straight, I hope it works well. Quirkworthy seems pretty good at writing rules, so I hope he's done a good job on it and it's fun to play like that. Think of all the narratives you could forge!!!
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Post by: GrimDork
Definitely cool, combine it with multi at and multiplayer to generate some fairly epic scenarios like base assaults or larger scale engagements.
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Post by: Paradigm
I too hope the solo rules are available at retail. I mostly play against myself anyway, so elements like keeping cards/missions secret is an issue (unless I get my left/right eye to look the other way  ) and a good old Firefight-style mission of Mercs vs Zombies would be a great way to kill an afternoon.
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Post by: Daedleh
Quick update from Ronnie about the Azure Forest limited edition set: http://manticblog.com/2014/06/17/azure-forest-ltd-edition/
Hello everyone, Ronnie here. I meant to post this on Friday, but it’s been so hectic here since the move. But what a move! We’ve got internet that’s faster than a snail’s pace, plenty of space for everyone, and so much news coming over the next days and weeks, you won’t believe it. We’ve also got a special surprise up our sleeves for you. Apologies that this didn’t appear on schedule though.
DreadBall is currently Mantic’s bestselling game to date; although it is rapidly getting caught up by Deadzone and Mars Attacks ( MA looks on course to be the biggest outright, simply by its launch!).
What is the Azure Forest Limited Edition of DreadBall?
This summer, DreadBall will be getting its 5th printing, which is an amazing achievement for any table-top game, and it’s all thanks to you guys!
Interestingly, only half of the first print run went to Kickstarter backers – all the rest have been sold by our independent stores, with a few going from Mantic directly at shows or online. Every single one of those 5 print runs have been packed here in the UK, and then shipped around the world. The components have come from many different suppliers, all around the world, including the UK, China, and Lithuania. It has been a fun challenge bringing in all the bits needed for the game from so many places and keeping it in stock for the past 18 months (that’s right DreadBall is only 1 ½ years old!!!!) but now, it is time for a change.
At the end of summer the 6th Edition will be printed and packed by the same company that handles DeadZone and Mars Attacks. They can now source all of the components directly at the quality we need.
DB-Box-Lid-azure-forestThis has the added advantage of allowing the team here in the UK to concentrate this summer on packing (carefully!) and shipping nearly 7500 Kickstarter orders, plus all the usual trade and mail orders! We are expecting to be busy! We will get delivery of the 6th print run of the main DreadBall game in early autumn (or fall depending where you live). Oh, and we will no longer need to call it DreadBall Deluxe – it will be back to the original-is-best plain DreadBall. DreadBall Kick-Off will continue to run down over the summer, and will be discontinued at the end of this print run, so if you want a copy, now is the time to grab that.
So to celebrate the fifth printing we have decided to do a very cool one-off only Azure Forest Edition – celebrating this year’s expansion – and perhaps a nod in the direction of another major sporting event in a rainforest this summer
Kickstarter backers, and other Azure Forest previous purchasers, we’ve got you covered too! The pitch is available as a separate purchase, for those that want it.
This Azure Forest boxed set is strictly limited to just 750 copies, and we have produced it for 3 main reasons…
It will celebrate the fifth and final packing of Dreadball in the UK and be a fitting way to end the production here.
- It will mean that people can buy DreadBall in 2 ways over the summer:
The Kick-Off version (if they want to give it a try for the lowest cost possible – and then come back to upgrade it later, of course!!)
OR
The Azure Forest Edition which has all of the basic game components – AND includes the Azure Forest book, cards and pitch – plus A’teo “The Savage”, the MVP from the expansion.
3724.1.600.600.FFFFFF.0 The Azure Forest version will also come with the very cool Azure Forest arena pitch – and will look very much like this…. and its own unique limited edition box.
It will allow us to print the Azure Forest pitch, which a number of people have been asking us for since we did the expansion earlier this year. We will be able to make that available separately for anyone who doesn’t want a full new version of the game too, although again that will be in very limited numbers.
This is made up from the last of the print run of the Azure Forest books, and once it’s all gone, it’s all gone. We’re not reprinting any of this once it goes out of stock, so please do grab a copy as soon as you can.
Oh, and it is cool – I know that makes it 4 reasons, but you know, what the heck!
I am sure this will mean DreadBall continues its march to top of the leader board and remains entrenched as a fan favourite for Mantic Games. It is a great celebration for our first game to sail pass the 10,000 copies mark, and keeps the attention focused on this most special of games – ahead of season 4 and Xtreme later in the year!
Best wishes and thanks for reading.
PS. Look out for other big news over the coming week – we’ve got some really great stuff coming up for you, and we couldn’t do it without you all, so thank you for supporting us and allowing us to bring you great games for everyone to enjoy.
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Post by: warboss
Interesting to hear that MA is on track to be the best selling... I would have thought Deadzone (at least until Warpath) would have that locked in but that might be my own bias at play.
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Post by: Bioptic
I think it's a distribution issue - it's much easier to convince boardgaming shops to carry 1) a licensed IP, and 2) a smaller starter box. They may have changed the non-Kickstarter packaging for Deadzone, because you could crush a small child with that box - and it must have taken up the shelf space of 3 equivalent boardgames!
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Post by: SeanDrake
warboss wrote:Interesting to hear that MA is on track to be the best selling... I would have thought Deadzone (at least until Warpath) would have that locked in but that might be my own bias at play.
MA has been picked up by 2 large euro distributor's who are also translating it into there native languages Spanish and German I think. This is a pretty big deal as it means it will be available in mainstream stores in those countries.
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Post by: scarletsquig
It's the pre-assembled thing that's why the distributors went for it.
Any assembly at all = forget about it, as far as euro board game market goes.
And the bag of tiny little restic components thrown together like you get in, say, Dreadball (All 16 minis and the ball come in the same bag with lots of sub-5mm sized bits and no instructions at all) is even more of a death sentence from that perspective, distro won't look at it.
It's not just Dakka that gives a big "nope" to restic and all that is involved with it.
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Post by: Talking Banana
warboss wrote:Interesting to hear that MA is on track to be the best selling... I would have thought Deadzone (at least until Warpath) would have that locked in but that might be my own bias at play.
Yeah - if consumer demand matches the retail orders, then a second Mars Attacks KS won't be looking like such a long shot after all.
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Post by: Yonan
I want the Azure forest stuff, but it looks like there's no option for all the azure forest stuff in a bundle without getting all the rest of the starter stuff too which is a shame. I'd like the pitch, book, cards and MVP, but already have the starter and ultimate so don't need either again. Posted on the blog to see if that is, or might be an option.
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Post by: warboss
SeanDrake wrote: warboss wrote:Interesting to hear that MA is on track to be the best selling... I would have thought Deadzone (at least until Warpath) would have that locked in but that might be my own bias at play.
MA has been picked up by 2 large euro distributor's who are also translating it into there native languages Spanish and German I think. This is a pretty big deal as it means it will be available in mainstream stores in those countries.
scarletsquig wrote:It's the pre-assembled thing that's why the distributors went for it.
Any assembly at all = forget about it, as far as euro board game market goes.
And the bag of tiny little restic components thrown together like you get in, say, Dreadball (All 16 minis and the ball come in the same bag with lots of sub-5mm sized bits and no instructions at all) is even more of a death sentence from that perspective, distro won't look at it.
It's not just Dakka that gives a big "nope" to restic and all that is involved with it.
Interesting... I guess it my preference for hobby style assembly required (within reason... see the robotech original 30+ piece spartan model prototype for how NOT to do a terminator sized model) type games that caused my bias. Good for them; I sincerely hope they *don't* run into the same issues with PVC and hard plastic that have plagued them. I'm not a fan of the MA art style (or the movie) but a popular mass market game is good for the hobby.
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Post by: Pacific
Great news that the Azure Forest board is now up for pre-order separately (they must have seen my previous post!  )
For a tenner that's a no-brainer
http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/pre-order/dreadball/product/limited-edition-azure-forest-pitch.html
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Post by: Talking Banana
I wouldn't mind seeing Mantic do a line of licensed, Deadzone-based skirmish games, if there's a market for them. But only if they do alternate DZ decks for all of them, to make them cross-compatible.
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Post by: Yonan
Vermonter wrote:I wouldn't mind seeing Mantic do a line of licensed, Deadzone-based skirmish games, if there's a market for them. But only if they do alternate DZ decks for all of them, to make them cross-compatible.
Starcraft Deadzone yes please! My life for Aiur!
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Post by: privateer4hire
Sales, Overwhelming!
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Post by: Cosmic
+1 for 28mm Starcraft Marines... and Zealots... and Hydras... and...
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Post by: timetowaste85
Titan AE source material!! A Dredge team, and a Captain Corso model!! Don Bluth, eat your heart out!!
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Post by: overtyrant
Is the LE pitch a board like the original, or a rubber backed mat do we know?
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Post by: Yonan
It's a board like the original.
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Post by: Pacific
Awesome stuff, got that new board down on pre-order!
Has anyone played with the Azure Forest expansion, does it make much difference to the game?
As for a team - would probably have to go with 'Brutal Deluxe', the team from Speedball 2, although I guess you could argue that with the Corp team and actual Speedball 2 MVP it is already available..
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Post by: pretre
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/deadzone-the-sci-fi-miniatures-board-game/posts/881761?ref=dash
Hi everyone it is Ronnie here.
Let’s start with the serious stuff, and an apology and a promise.
First the promise - we have spent most of May moving to the new building. There have been lots of reasons for the move, but one of the main ones is in order to send the second shipment of Deadzone in a far more organized, professional and well-packed way than we did the first wave. While the boxes we dispatched were huge and filled with lots of great models, scenery and the game itself I know the packing materials were inadequate and the accuracy was poor. There were too many bits missing and in some cases damaged.
This is ultimately my responsibility.
The sheer scale and enormity of the job caught us off guard. This will not happen on the second shipment. We have dedicated space to pre-pack complicated sets. The contents will be marked more clearly and faction starters will be pre-packed, as will the Battlezones scenery. We will have more staff, a checking area and we will just take longer to do each order carefully and completely. Of course there may still be individual errors – when you send out 4500 orders with 100’s of individual components in each something always goes wrong – but it will not be because of how the product is packed or the people doing it.
Our commitment with the wave 2 shipment is to include as much fun and great product but in a more organized and well packed fashion.
We've got top men and women lined up to work on your packages (pic is actually of painted Strider Pilots without the canopies on, which is why the controls are kinda floating in mid-air.)
We have now sent out packages with missing items and most people now have got their issues sorted. However, I have spent part of this week personally chasing down some outstanding missing items for people who have contacted me on email or via Facebook. While I have seen a few, I know there might still be a few more. Please send us a gentle reminder (via Kickstarter PM) and I will personally make sure any outstanding issues are sorted, or email sarah.clark at manticgames.com.
We lost a few weeks because we put more products over into hard plastic, but we look to still be on course to start shipping in July. For a moment there it looked like it might go earlier, but this is a Kickstarter after all and that never happens
Thanks for being patient with us, now let’s get on with the good stuff. I think we’ve been good on some details and showing off new pics as and when we get them but I’m sorry that I’ve not had the clarity to tell you the overview more exactly. Now we know more we can get on with it!
First up our warehouse is filling up with Zombies, sprues and very soon books…
Some sexy proofs
We have just sent the Contagion and the Incursion books off to print. They look fantastic and digital copies will be sent to you ahead of the physical dispatch so you can have read up on your new arrivals and prepare colour schemes.
The Brokkrs, Asterians and Zombies have all had a terrific response in the comments section on their respective updates and we are expecting a box with final test shots of the new hard plastic sprues any day now. We will get photos up as soon as we have them. We will quickly bring in the quantities of models and books we need to be able to dispatch your pledges, otherwise everything we need for wave 2 is already in the warehouse.
Also, a few weeks ago we sent out the Deadzone collection of short stories.
I asked at the Open Day who had seen it and it became clear that while many people had gone and downloaded the compendium not many had actually read it. Please. I really urge you to read the stories. Each one is the perfect length for about 15 minutes of quiet time. It’s very easy to get onto the iPad and iPhones – just visit Mantic Digital and the site will automatically adjust to fit your screen if you read it online. Please, please have a read. The stories bring Deadzone to life and inspired me to get on to gaming.
The link to the download is here - don't forget to use the code we gave you in a past update.
In the warehouse we have the Secret Weapon tiles too (and they look so good I have bought one myself and have started building my own Deadzone table on it).
We have also generated a few videos about assembling the buildings…
... and how to get started playing Deadzone by stripping back the contents a bit:
Sorry these are a bit rough and ready (and a tad long!) but in a few weeks time we will have a quick start video to help people get playing Deadzone. Until then we thought why not get stuck straight in?
Once you have played Deadzone it really comes to life, but actually getting started is the hardest part. The quick start guide will strip away everything down to the basics to get you playing – and then the extra layers can be added back in as your experience grows. We will get a full video up soon in conjunction with our friends at Beast of War so anyone who still has to play the game can get started, and bring in more new players alongside the wave 2 releases.
Thank you for being patient with us whilst we delivered this massive undertaking. The final pieces are now being made and shipped into us. We will keep posting all the last bits as they arrive and with the move completed we are on track for getting wave 2 out in a far more organized and well packed way – but even more so the sculpts, books and scenery are looking just as fantastic as they were in the first shipment!
Best wishes and thank you for your support, Deadzone would be nowhere near as filled with plastic, scenery and books without your support.
Ronnie
Pics and videos in the link.
Also... Top men.
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Post by: Yonan
Those deadzone books need to be in my grubby vegemite stained hands already!
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Post by: .Mikes.
The Atserian / FF cover does look tasty.
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Post by: darkPrince010
I'm more interested in what appears to be "CONTAGION" below it; hopefully the zombie campaign
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Post by: Pacific
This one? Yes it does look quite cool!
Would be interested to know what artists Mantic have got working for them (although this looks similar to the 'Fate of the Forgestar' cover style?)
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Post by: .Mikes.
That's the one. I really like the visual theme they're going for with DZ. These books look just awesome.
Are the compendiu(s) (you know what I mean) included in the next wave? I've forgotten.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
.Mikes. wrote:
Are the compendiu(s) (you know what I mean) included in the next wave? I've forgotten.
Were those the hardcovers we were supposed to get?
There's still only the one (and only?) wave coming, right?
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Post by: .Mikes.
Originaly there was one hard back compendium, but they ended up with too much stuff to have in one book, so broke it into....3? Maybe two, books.
I'd assume it's coming with the second wave, but I see so much info I'm not sure what's what these days.
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Post by: Talking Banana
Just curious - if WarPath slipped back another year, what do you think are the chances that someone else will come along with a hard plastic Sci Fi game and steal Mantic's thunder?
Obviously WarPrime is currently on the horizon, but regardless of whether or not that campaign succeeds, there are bound to be other KS attempts to become the #1 hard plastic, cheaper alternative to 40K sooner or later. It would be expensive to start, but the market for it could be very successful if it's done well since the market leader overcharges for their products, leaving plenty of room for undercutting.
Even a highly successful alternate sci-fi HIPS campaign wouldn't doom WarPath's success, of course. But it could eat into it quite a bit.
I'm wondering how much longer Mantic can afford to delay launching their WarPath KS.
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Post by: Yonan
Vermonter wrote:Just curious - if WarPath slipped back another year, what do you think are the chances that someone else will come along with a hard plastic Sci Fi game and steal Mantic's thunder?
We have no idea how good the rules are, but Dreamforge is working on a sci-fi rules set to go with their fluff, probably to launch with the alien range which will start being developed after wave 3 of the Eisenkern ships later this year.
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Post by: Alpharius
I think Mantic has some more time - but maybe less than they thought previously?
Given Dreamforge's pace, I can't see that game being up and running and a viable system for another 2 or 3 years.
Warprime? More of an unknown, but again, a good 2 years away from showing up on the radar...
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Post by: Yonan
Alpharius wrote:Given Dreamforge's pace, I can't see that game being up and running and a viable system for another 2 or 3 years.
Oh ye of... realistic expectations ; p
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Post by: Talking Banana
Oh yeah - I forgot about Dreamforge. I'm not into the style of their human faction, but I'll be very interested when they launch their alien line.
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Post by: scarletsquig
Quick update on the Mars Attacks KS, the retro US soldiers are being replaced with Warlord plastics, due to almost no-one adding them in the survey.
Sometimes the most vocal people are not in the majority, or do not back up their requests with hard cash.
I think this is the case with Mars Attacks, I recall seeing a lot of "well this sucks no retro soldiers" comments about it, but when retro soldiers were added in response to the feedback those same people didn't go for them.
In a similar fashion, the dead figures were extremely unpopular in the KS comments ("waste of a stretch goal" etc.) and elsewhere, but were the #1 most popular add-on in the survey.
Kinda frustrating since it shows how unreliable internet feedback can be.
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Post by: Thraxas Of Turai
Having read the update it seems like a very reasonable, and well thought out, course of action to me.
Good point on the internet feedback too, I followed the campaign but did not back it and it seemed like "retro" soldiers were an important thing to a lot of backers, but I guess not.
Have just seen the previous update too, I can see why the card art has had a lot of detractors but like everything it is a personal taste thing.
This looks like being a massive release for Mantic.
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Post by: NTRabbit
I added retro soldiers to my survey and didn't ask for them during the campaign!
I also still don't have my invoice.
Edit: Actually, the retro soldiers thing might make sense - last communication I got was an email saying "we're just waiting on a little information on one of the sets you've ordered" before sending me my invoice, maybe the issue will be resolved now that they dumped them for Warlord plastics?
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Post by: lord_blackfang
scarletsquig wrote:Quick update on the Mars Attacks KS, the retro US soldiers are being replaced with Warlord plastics, due to almost no-one adding them in the survey.
Sometimes the most vocal people are not in the majority, or do not back up their requests with hard cash.
I think this is the case with Mars Attacks, I recall seeing a lot of "well this sucks no retro soldiers" comments about it, but when retro soldiers were added in response to the feedback those same people didn't go for them.
In a similar fashion, the dead figures were extremely unpopular in the KS comments ("waste of a stretch goal" etc.) and elsewhere, but were the #1 most popular add-on in the survey.
Kinda frustrating since it shows how unreliable internet feedback can be.
If it makes you feel any better, I ordered exactly as many of those two things as I said I would during the campaign (that being none at all).
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Post by: privateer4hire
Vermonter wrote:Just curious - if WarPath slipped back another year, what do you think are the chances that someone else will come along with a hard plastic Sci Fi game and steal Mantic's thunder?...
I wish Mantic had pushed hard on the 7ed 40k launch with WP 2.0 and developed lists for most 40k armies (undroid, plague enforcers, etc).
It's a solid rule set and it could have provided 6th ed 40k refugees with an alternative.
2.0 is also close enough to recent 40k editions that porting would have been easier for players.
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Post by: Riquende
privateer4hire wrote:I wish Mantic had pushed hard on the 7ed 40k launch with WP 2.0 and developed lists for most 40k armies (undroid, plague enforcers, etc).
To be fair, a 2015 Kickstarter will see it compete with 8ed 40K.
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Post by: MasterSlowPoke
That's only if 8th edition includes movement trays, unfortunately.
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Post by: GrimDork
I reccomend salsa with that chip.
Anyone read the mars attacks update? Sounds like more frequent updates inbound and potentially the chance to grab your stuff in person at gencon.
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Post by: Azazelx
scarletsquig wrote:Quick update on the Mars Attacks KS, the retro US soldiers are being replaced with Warlord plastics, due to almost no-one adding them in the survey.
Sometimes the most vocal people are not in the majority, or do not back up their requests with hard cash.
I think this is the case with Mars Attacks, I recall seeing a lot of "well this sucks no retro soldiers" comments about it, but when retro soldiers were added in response to the feedback those same people didn't go for them.
In a similar fashion, the dead figures were extremely unpopular in the KS comments ("waste of a stretch goal" etc.) and elsewhere, but were the #1 most popular add-on in the survey.
Kinda frustrating since it shows how unreliable internet feedback can be.
They're exactly the sort of thing that I wouldn't have ordered because Warlord/WGF plastics already exist.
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Post by: judgedoug
So it's been confirmed somewhere that Warpath uses movement trays, or...?
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Post by: GrimDork
It has been suggested that they are a thing and are being considered, I believe. Nothing so much as set in stone, if the 3.0 rules come out sooner or later it's possible they might be in there, but I think the next rules release/update is more like an open beta. A couple of our better news sources could probably tell it better, I'm just running off of shaky memory here.
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Post by: Azazelx
it depends on whether they want to hit that 40k market hard or not...
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Post by: edlowe
GrimDork wrote:It has been suggested that they are a thing and are being considered, I believe. Nothing so much as set in stone, if the 3.0 rules come out sooner or later it's possible they might be in there, but I think the next rules release/update is more like an open beta. A couple of our better news sources could probably tell it better, I'm just running off of shaky memory here.
The movement tray idea is horrible imho, such a bad way to turn off potential 40k players. The 2.0 rules aren't a bad set but need some work.
plus unfortunately before people say it, yes this should appeal to 40k players as an alternative just as kow has done for wfb.
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Post by: .Mikes.
The thread about movement trays on the Mantic forums seems split 50/50, which surprises me, as I would have thought not that many people would be in favour. But then again, maybe that's because I don't like the idea.
However, the original rules, and I'm pretty certain the v2.0 rules too, could use movement trays easily. Cover was counted for a unit as a whole not individual models, and blast templates weren't used.
But for me, the whole idea of a lose squad formation in modern and SF games demands the movement of individual models. But I'll accept taht's very much my view.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Not a fan of movement trays either.
Then again I prefer small count games, and dread the thought of having to paint everything that would have to fit into that movement tray.
Because any game that needs movement trays, you know you're going to have more than one in use...
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Post by: privateer4hire
.Mikes. wrote:The thread about movement trays on the Mantic forums seems split 50/50, which surprises me, as I would have thought not that many people would be in favour. But then again, maybe that's because I don't like the idea.
However, the original rules, and I'm pretty certain the v2.0 rules too, could use movement trays easily. Cover was counted for a unit as a whole not individual models, and blast templates weren't used.
But for me, the whole idea of a lose squad formation in modern and SF games demands the movement of individual models. But I'll accept taht's very much my view.
It is also my view
I want there to be fewer things for folks to point to that prevent them from playing the game (don't want to make trays; buy trays; and/or the look of them on the table they'll say).
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Post by: GrimDork
I'm indifferent. Probably lean towards no just cause I'm sure there are more 40k players around than not.
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Post by: barnacle111
I agree, no movement trays. Really not a fan in scifi but then I like skirmish rather than large scale anyway... Maybe I should just stick to deadzone!
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Post by: Azazelx
.Mikes. wrote:The thread about movement trays on the Mantic forums seems split 50/50, which surprises me, as I would have thought not that many people would be in favour. But then again, maybe that's because I don't like the idea.
However, the original rules, and I'm pretty certain the v2.0 rules too, could use movement trays easily. Cover was counted for a unit as a whole not individual models, and blast templates weren't used.
But for me, the whole idea of a lose squad formation in modern and SF games demands the movement of individual models. But I'll accept taht's very much my view.
The thing is that the Mantic forums are a skewed example at best - and probably not a great indicator of the wider feeling of gamers - especially if they want to try and get some of the disconnected/disenfranchised 40k players....
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Post by: Yonan
Yeah, best bet would be to not base the game on movement trays, but maybe offer some slightly modified rules for their use if possible. They *can* speed gameplay up a lot, but they definitely can also have a negative impact in a lot of ways. I could see me using them for larger scale games but not for smaller. ie. in 40k terms yes at 2k, no at 1k. Should at most be an option to use movement trays though, definitely not be the standard. If it's one of the other, it should not be movement trays.
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Post by: Azazelx
Well put, there. As an optional rule, then fine, but not at the cost of proper rules for individual models and unit cohesion. Besides, skirmish sci-fi needs models clambering all over and inside cover and terrain, while trays work best for flat surfaces. This isn't Napoleonics, after all...
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Post by: judgedoug
So the whole movement trays business was actually put forward by Mantic? I can't find an official source for it, just people talking about it.
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Post by: Bolognesus
first version of warpath used something like that, I think that's where most of the discussion comes from (=will they go back to that, or not?)
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Post by: Theophony
Just preordered the azure forest deal for dread all, late to the party, but finally getting into the game.
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Post by: happygolucky
New looks at the next releases for Deadzone: Don't know if anyone has posted these up yet, but found them awesome  Really looking forward to the Peacekeeper Armour guys EDIT: Fixed all the links
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Post by: Cyporiean
Its because you aren't linking to an image file.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
For facebook pics click on them to bring them up by themselves (rather than just in your news feed or in a photo album), then right click on the picture to get properties for the link address
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Post by: Alpharius
Right Click, select 'view image' and copy and past that over there!
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Post by: happygolucky
Ok all done, cheers for the help guys
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Post by: Yonan
Nice, thanks for the pics! Their artist(s) and photo studio put out some nice pics.
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Post by: Pacific
Hopefully they will release some official pics of this kind of stuff, the 'Guy in Poland hiding in the toilets taking photos of White Dwarf with his phone' thing doesn't do anything like as much for advertising things as some studio pics!
Although beggars can't be choosers, thanks for posting the pics in any case
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Post by: happygolucky
Yeah I agree, I do hope for those peacekeeper armour varients to come out soon as I love the concept of them
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Post by: Paradigm
As others have said, the DZ art direction is great, and the new rules/models should be awesome.
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Post by: GrimDork
Excellent thanks! Very much looking forward to my shipment!
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Post by: Barzam
New stuff is looking good. Didn't Mantic mention that they'd have color scheme examples in these books, too?
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Post by: .Mikes.
Barzam wrote:New stuff is looking good. Didn't Mantic mention that they'd have color scheme examples in these books, too?
What would have been the Compednium was due to have some painting gudies in, so I assume they've been included in the expanded books.
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Post by: Azazelx
Thanks for the pics. Wasn't there going to be a hardcover book as well at one stage?
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Azazelx wrote:Thanks for the pics. Wasn't there going to be a hardcover book as well at one stage?
I had thought so too, but it seems as if that idea has been nixed in favor of multiple smaller books. A shame, I like having the hardcovers myself.
I wonder if we'll see a similar situation transpire with the Mars Attacks extra rules.
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Post by: Bioptic
I recall reading in an update that they were switching to several softcover books (as each of these was getting a proper retail release), but those who qualified for a hardback were getting a proper 'limited edition' cardboard slipcover to hold them all in.
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Post by: CptJake
A cardboard box to replace the promised hardcover book?
Nice.
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Post by: Bioptic
Looking into it more, there was the "compendium" for $10 which was added free to orders over a certain amount ($300?). This is the thing that's been split into 3 books, and I don't think was ever guaranteed to be hardcover/limited edition - otherwise the $10 would possibly have been loss-making!
There is also the $40 "Collector's Edition Hardback", which includes the compendium + the short stories collection, is definitely a hardback and is definitely limited edition.
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Post by: Nostromodamus
Bit miffed I can't include Plague Zombies in my Plague Strike Team, but sounds cool otherwise!
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Post by: judgedoug
Okayokayokay hold on a sec, still trying to catch up. (Been moving and am only barely on dakka recently)
So Warpath is not confirmed or even mentioned by anyone in Mantic at all to have movement trays? So people complaining about it are complaining about nothing, right? Just complaining to complain? Literally inventing things out of thin air, then complaining about them?
The Deadzone Collector's Edition hardcover is still going to be hardcover and limited edition, but the softcover Compendium is still softcover? So again, there's no bait-and-switch on a hardcover limited edition rulebook? So we're _not_ going to get a page or two of people saying "Mantic. Almost." because they think it's cute?
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Post by: Necros
Mantic almost... has me wanting to buy a whole bunch of ruined battlezones. It will stop being almost when I get my bonus next month
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Post by: Theophony
judgedoug wrote:Okayokayokay hold on a sec, still trying to catch up. (Been moving and am only barely on dakka recently)
So Warpath is not confirmed or even mentioned by anyone in Mantic at all to have movement trays? So people complaining about it are complaining about nothing, right? Just complaining to complain? Literally inventing things out of thin air, then complaining about them?
The Deadzone Collector's Edition hardcover is still going to be hardcover and limited edition, but the softcover Compendium is still softcover? So again, there's no bait-and-switch on a hardcover limited edition rulebook? So we're _not_ going to get a page or two of people saying "Mantic. Almost." because they think it's cute?
SS brought up the question here to test the waters for the idea, seeing how people would react, so not really people making stuff up just to complain about it.
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Post by: Krinsath
judgedoug wrote:So Warpath is not confirmed or even mentioned by anyone in Mantic at all to have movement trays? So people complaining about it are complaining about nothing, right? Just complaining to complain? Literally inventing things out of thin air, then complaining about them?
I've not seen the direct quote, but scarletsquig mentioned Ronnie talking about such things, likely in an informal session at a Mantic presentation. SS is not a Mantic employee, but he certainly could play one on TV and I doubt he'd invent something and then attribute it to Mr. Renton for fun. He also wouldn't do it just to launch into a flamewar against Mantic like some of the posters on the board, so I'd rate his information on Mantic to be fairly credible. On the flip side, it must also be said that a CEO isn't a games designer so his random ponderings wouldn't be as red-flag raising as seeing Jake or Alessio mention it.
There's enough there to warrant discussion about that point, IMO, but not enough to go "OMG THE SKY IS FALLINGS!!!!111one111eleventy" like some people will undoubtedly do. In a mass-battle setting of 100s of models on a huge play area, I think it has a role just as bases in Epic and other 15mm games do. For the size of game most people want WarPath to be, I think it becomes clunky.
On the topic of the book I've drifted out of that conversation too much to know WTF is going on anymore.
Mantic. Almost....done with fulfilling DeadZone which puts it ahead of quite a few KS projects that ended before it.
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Post by: happygolucky
More new pics
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Post by: Thraxas Of Turai
Thanks for that. Cannot decide if I like the Brokkr bike or think it looks a bit stumpy and daft. Love the rest of it though. Mantic...almost certainly making me want to buy something there.
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Post by: happygolucky
I like it, althougth I am liking the Artisans a lot more
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Post by: Cyporiean
Want to own a piece of original Brushfire, Endless: Fantasy Tactics, Deadzone, or Dreadball art? Heath " BA" Foley is currently selling a large chunk of his original sketches:
http://artofhf.wordpress.com/for-sale/
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Post by: overtyrant
Ok that bike is a bit silly but I've gone from disliki the asterians to really liking them. But there restic so I won't touch them!
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Post by: GrimDork
Looking good. Thanks for sharing! Almost got the iron ancestor but I'll just get some doom storms later on, along with the hard cases rather that just in baggies.
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Post by: Nostromodamus
I didn't back the KS, is there a date for retail release of all this "wave 2" stuff?
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Post by: GrimDork
After they ship the KS stuff they'll probably do a few waves. Nexus psi came out and included the booster models for the first factions and more mercs. They will probably release asterians and forge fathers with their book, and the zombies with their book.. some other stuff to work in like peacekeepers and new enforcer sprue. Someone else may have a close time line though? Automatically Appended Next Post: KS should ship in august ish.
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Post by: overtyrant
I was under the impression KS was shipping in July. Not sure where I got that from though!
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Post by: pretre
overtyrant wrote:I was under the impression KS was shipping in July. Not sure where I got that from though!
I thought it was shipping in July as well...
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Post by: Riquende
From the most recent update:
We lost a few weeks because we put more products over into hard plastic, but we look to still be on course to start shipping in July. For a moment there it looked like it might go earlier, but this is a Kickstarter after all and that never happens 
Of course 'start shipping in July' probably does mean that that majority of packages go out over August.
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Post by: NTRabbit
Riquende wrote:From the most recent update:
We lost a few weeks because we put more products over into hard plastic, but we look to still be on course to start shipping in July. For a moment there it looked like it might go earlier, but this is a Kickstarter after all and that never happens 
Of course 'start shipping in July' probably does mean that that majority of packages go out over August.
Probably UK and EU backers July, US backers probably end of July, Canadian backers lolfedexagent  rest of world mid August
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Post by: Red Viper
Looking really good.
The Asterians are going to be tempting.
If they still tempt me in December, I'm going to start Deadzone.
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Post by: Chillreaper
Memo to me: Don't be dumb and post fantasy news in a sci-fi thread...
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Post by: MasterSlowPoke
judgedoug wrote:So Warpath is not confirmed or even mentioned by anyone in Mantic at all to have movement trays? So people complaining about it are complaining about nothing, right? Just complaining to complain? Literally inventing things out of thin air, then complaining about them?
I know a guy on another forum that is a regular visitor to the Mantic company/warehouse or something like that. He all but confirmed that Warpath 3rd Edition has movement trays.
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Post by: GrimDork
A pertinent mantic blog post:
Well, there is no point watching football any more
…let’s paint great minis instead!
Has your team crashed out of the World Cup already? Spain, it looks as though you are joining England, coming home early this time!!
The great news is once your team is knocked out, it leaves you with lots of time to paint miniatures – instead of watching all those tedious draws (and inevitable penalty shoot-outs!).
To cheer us all up (and so I don’t have to discuss the embarrassing fact that the USA will be staying in the World Cup longer than England!) I thought everyone who has been knocked out should be able to get some minis or amazing scenery to paint at a nice price, by way of compensation!
So, England currently has lost both games and has a goal difference of -2 – so everything on the site has 20% off until Friday night (24 hours after the group stages end, so everyone has a chance).
If England lose the third game and our goal difference gets worse we will increase theDreadball T Best Painted discount up to 30%!
But if we win and our goal difference improves – the discount will reduce back to 10%!
To use the current discount, just add ALREADYOUT20 - this code will work for any countries that are no longer in the World Cup (even if they did not qualify) – it only excludes the countries that are still involved in the competition. The code must be used on any order over £30/30 Euros/$50.
From the next round we will have a new code each day a game is played that will be valid for 24 hours – based on the previous days results and goals – with any losing teams able to join the party!
Watch out for updated codes on our blog and Facebook pages – and keep living La vida loca!!
Best wishes,
Ronnie
My emphasis, sounds like 20% off mantic for the next few days. It could go up to 30%, but may go back down to 10%. Time to consider my wish list...
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Post by: Azazelx
Yay?
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Post by: Riquende
MasterSlowPoke wrote: judgedoug wrote:So Warpath is not confirmed or even mentioned by anyone in Mantic at all to have movement trays? So people complaining about it are complaining about nothing, right? Just complaining to complain? Literally inventing things out of thin air, then complaining about them?
I know a guy on another forum that is a regular visitor to the Mantic company/warehouse or something like that. He all but confirmed that Warpath 3rd Edition has movement trays.
I've tried to bring this up before, but:
The game rules support moving squads on trays =/= the rules say you MUST use trays.
After all, there's no requirement in Kings of War that your regiments etc must be on movement trays, but people use them because they're convenient. I'd hope Warpath would turn out the same way - tray based movement supported, but no obligation for those who say it 'feels wrong'.
Now, cue reactions of "but the game rules can't support trays as all scifi games require you to be able to have individual models clambering up, down, inside and around terrain pieces" in 3, 2, 1...
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Post by: Theophony
Wonder if it applies to preorders as well. I just ordered the dreadball azure forest bundle. Sucks tgat the US is still in, wonder if they'd give a discount based on favorite team instead. Not that I follow soccer(  ).
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Yay indeed. Time to get me some more scenery mefinks  .
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Post by: Azazelx
Riquende wrote:
After all, there's no requirement in Kings of War that your regiments etc must be on movement trays, but people use them because they're convenient. I'd hope Warpath would turn out the same way - tray based movement supported, but no obligation for those who say it 'feels wrong'.
Now, cue reactions of "but the game rules can't support trays as all scifi games require you to be able to have individual models clambering up, down, inside and around terrain pieces" in 3, 2, 1...
Nice attempt at poisoning the well, but it doesn't actually answer the question.
Actually, I don't really care all that much. If they decide to go with trays, I won't get butthurt - I just won't play their game and will stick with "proper" 40k... /shrug.
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Post by: GrimDork
Hmm yeah wonder if you get mantic points on the scenery... probably. I was thinking of getting some Iron Ancestors since you can't find them online shipped much cheaper than at mantic if you order enough for free shipping. And you have guaranteed mantic case instead of potentially losing that in favor of them shipping you the baggies to save weight.
Of course the DKQ kickstarter announcement on the previous blog post has me wondering if I won't be backing that after all... I was gonna skip it but it does sound pretty neat, might wait to get the dwarf stuff for another time.
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Post by: Azazelx
I got no money for their sale anyway. I need to pay for my DZPM. :p
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Post by: Riquende
Azazelx wrote:
Nice attempt at poisoning the well, but it doesn't actually answer the question.
How can it, when I don't know the answer? It's just a comment on the possibilities. Personally I doubt Mantic have made a final decision yet, it's possible that it's something they want to do but realise how much resistance there would be,
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Post by: Azazelx
Theophony wrote:Wonder if it applies to preorders as well. I just ordered the dreadball azure forest bundle. Sucks tgat the US is still in, wonder if they'd give a discount based on favorite team instead. Not that I follow soccer(  ).
Don't worry, you'll have a discount soon enough.. Automatically Appended Next Post: Riquende wrote: Azazelx wrote:
Nice attempt at poisoning the well, but it doesn't actually answer the question.
How can it, when I don't know the answer? Personally I doubt Mantic have made a final decision yet, it's possible that it's something they want to do but realise how much resistance there would be,
Then maybe don't be a dick about it, then?
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Post by: Riquende
Could you perhaps quote the 'being a dick part' and highlight which part you personally took offence to?
Edit:
Ah, okay. Think I worked it out. It's not the best phrased, true, But it is literally what happened last time the subject came up - people assuming that the rules will require that models be able to climb all over terrain, when none of us know nothing of the sort.
Perhaps a friendly smiley would have clarified it as a tongue in cheek comment rather than a backhanded swipe at other posters?
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Post by: GrimDork
I use the damn things all the time, just in case
Of course then again... I probably use them too much
Crap, I'm undermining my own tactics
More a jab at myself there^ I've noticed a bit too many orkmoticons in my posts.
Say, any of you people who actually watch the Football... what are the chances England will lose again increasing the discount to 30%? I'd hate to miss out on the 20% but I'd probably spend more money overall if the 30 became active.
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Post by: Riquende
GrimDork wrote:
Say, any of you people who actually watch the Football... what are the chances England will lose again increasing the discount to 30%? I'd hate to miss out on the 20% but I'd probably spend more money overall if the 30 became active.
Well, neither England nor Costa Rica have anything to play for*, England are playing their kids/Frank Lampard, but then Costa Rica may be resting their better players for the their knockout games.
So... dunno?
* I suppose Costa Rica might want to play for 1st place to get an easier draw, England for some shred of dignity.
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Post by: GrimDork
Hmm, well. I guess I can just wait and see. If they lose and the deal sweetens, then I'll buy some stuff. If not, I save some money. Woot.
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Post by: NTRabbit
It sounds like they'll listen and dial it back if the response is negative enough towards mass battle movement tray stuff, especially if it's over on the Mantic forum where it's a 50/50 split between wp1 pro and wp2 con posters, which wouldn't be a true reflection of the community or potential community at large I don't think.
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Post by: Thraxas Of Turai
Are you up in around 3 hours Grim? Buy then we should be pretty sure of the football result and can order away if England winning, or just hang fire if they are losing.
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Post by: GrimDork
Oh yeah it's only just getting to be 10 am around here, I'm up all day  Thanks for the information. I'm kind of hesitant to order at 20% since I can get that anywhere, even though I like directly supporting mantic. At 30% though... that's pretty hard to argue.
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Automatically Appended Next Post: GrimDork wrote:Oh yeah it's only just getting to be 10 am around here, I'm up all day  Thanks for the information. I'm kind of hesitant to order at 20% since I can get that anywhere, even though I like directly supporting mantic. At 30% though... that's pretty hard to argue. Correct me if I'm wrong but it says this will work for "any countries who are out of the world cup". Grim, our team (USA) is defenitley still in, so you might not be able to get said discount. Its the price you have to pay to live in such a glorious soccer nation.
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Post by: GrimDork
Gasp! You are correct =/ Oh well, maybe our team will lose and I'll get access. Or maybe it will continue winning and... that's... also... good? Either way I'll get a deal or not spend money, I can live with such options
Thanks for spotting that though, helps me manage my expectations!
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Post by: Paradigm
They've said there will be daily deals going forward, I think, so it may be that they start doing sales for countries that do go further at some point. And now I'm hoping for England to lose 8-0 tonight. If -2 on goal difference is 20% off, does that mean -10 is 100%? Do Mantic gives me free stuff? Come on Costa Rica!
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Post by: NTRabbit
Paradigm wrote:They've said there will be daily deals going forward, I think, so it may be that they start doing sales for countries that do go further at some point.
And now I'm hoping for England to lose 8-0 tonight. If -2 on goal difference is 20% off, does that mean -10 is 100%? Do Mantic gives me free stuff?
Come on Costa Rica!
10-0, Mantic pays you!
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Post by: Riquende
squall018 wrote:Its the price you have to pay to live in such a glorious soccer nation. 
You'll have to learn the sport's name before you can claim glory at it!
Automatically Appended Next Post: GrimDork wrote:Or maybe it will continue winning and... that's... also... good?
I know must be confusing, competing in a team sport with other countries; but yes, winning games of football is generally considered good.
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Well... It's more that I want the sale and have very little care over the US doing well in the football. I mean, I'm patriotic enough to prefer that they win and stuff... but I like discounts. If that clears up my apathy for you any
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Post by: Theophony
I wish some of the discounter s kept decent stock of mantic, I'd buy more. As it is thewarstore is always out of stock when I check them, so I have really stopped checking, and miniaturemarket just gets in the initial wave (maybe hey buy into the Kickstarter or something, then they sell it off until they decide to clearance and don't restock  . Don't forget that they also have the free terrain sprue deal going too  , not much more incentive, but it is a little extra that you get from them over their discounters.
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Post by: Bolognesus
&€&@@€)( I don't usually give a toss for televised soccer - well at least this might have me actively rooting against them ^^
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Post by: angelofvengeance
I've struck while the iron is hot and got a ruined quadrant for £88.00
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Post by: MasterSlowPoke
NTRabbit wrote:It sounds like they'll listen and dial it back if the response is negative enough towards mass battle movement tray stuff, especially if it's over on the Mantic forum where it's a 50/50 split between wp1 pro and wp2 con posters, which wouldn't be a true reflection of the community or potential community at large I don't think.
The Beta 3.0 rules are being shipped with Deadzone wave 2, so it's going to be too late to change them. They almost certainly have them printed off already.
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Did they say they were going to send a paper copy? I assumed they would just crank out a PDF since it's cheaper and easier to distribute.
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Post by: sukura636
MasterSlowPoke wrote:NTRabbit wrote:It sounds like they'll listen and dial it back if the response is negative enough towards mass battle movement tray stuff, especially if it's over on the Mantic forum where it's a 50/50 split between wp1 pro and wp2 con posters, which wouldn't be a true reflection of the community or potential community at large I don't think.
The Beta 3.0 rules are being shipped with Deadzone wave 2, so it's going to be too late to change them. They almost certainly have them printed off already.
Actually, I'd imagine they are being released as a pdf via the KS page, rather than printing off what will be a temporary and living document.
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Post by: MasterSlowPoke
I figured it would be a little mini pamphlet like they did with the Warpath 1 rules. I can't remember what he said, and the website we post on is down at the moment.
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Post by: NTRabbit
MasterSlowPoke wrote:
The Beta 3.0 rules are being shipped with Deadzone wave 2, so it's going to be too late to change them. They almost certainly have them printed off already.
The point of giving us beta rules is to get feedback so that they can be changed or fixed through testing and public sentiment, otherwise there would be no point in calling them a beta or giving them to us now.
And I agree with sukura636, I'm almost certain it'll be a code for beta rules on Mantic Digital like the DBX beta rules backers of that got access to during the campaign.
PS England had a 0-0 draw, so it stays at 20%
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Post by: PapaSoul
not sure if this is the best place to ask this, but did anyone else not get round to playing Deadzone? me and a friend pledged nearly £500 to the kickstarter and I was hyped as **** throughout the campaign specifically the Enforcers, which were going to be my main dudes. But then they told us there was a problem with the plastics, and it was going to affect the Enforcers. They weren't apologetic, and they just moved on quickly and started talking about their "fantastic" terrain. not only that, but they then acted as if they were making it all alright by giving us some Warpath Enforcers.
Now I don't know if any one has ever worked with these models, but they are godawful. like, really bad. But still Mantic acted as if nothing was wrong and kept on as if the campaign was running perfectly.
When I got my box home, I was sorely disappointed to see just how badly the enforcers were affected by this monumental cock-up.
It may seem entitled, but it completely derailed all the momentum the kickstarter had. I don't even bother checking the updates anymore, since anytime I do they just seem to be revealing models that look nothing like their awesome concept art. if they're not doing that they're just fobbing off the backers without any apologies, the lateness of the second wave being a prime example.
So is anyone else in this boat?
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Post by: pretre
You know that those enforcers were just a stop-gap and they are sending you additional enforcers to replace them, right?
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Post by: angelofvengeance
I think if you have a look at the KS updates Ronnie has actually apologised about the problems that occurred during the delivery of the rewards. I should also point out that there was a survey for folks who maybe didn't get all their stuff or had issues with the models or terrain kits. Did you fill that in PapaSoul?
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Post by: CptJake
angelofvengeance wrote:I think if you have a look at the KS updates Ronnie has actually apologised about the problems that occurred during the delivery of the rewards. I should also point out that there was a survey for folks who maybe didn't get all their stuff or had issues with the models or terrain kits. Did you fill that in PapaSoul?
I don't remember that survey.
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Post by: edlowe
There was a missing/damaged parts survey to fill in, but im still waiting for my replacement bits :(
Plus I must say the resin enforcers in my pledge were pure gak, they were really badly mauled with big chunks missing from the waists plus misaligned moulding on the legs. Weirdly the army box I had already bought weren't too bad. Im really looking forward to the plastics (fingers crossed)
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Post by: CptJake
I never got nor knew of that survey, and I thought I followed this stuff pretty closely. I sent over a dozen emails and other messages via multiple means before I was able to get Mantic to address my broken/missing stuff.
Of course, what they sent was in the same shape as the ones which elicited my complaint to begin with. I gave up on it.
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Post by: pretre
edlowe wrote:There was a missing/damaged parts survey to fill in, but im still waiting for my replacement bits :(
Plus I must say the resin enforcers in my pledge were pure gak, they were really badly mauled with big chunks missing from the waists plus misaligned moulding on the legs. Weirdly the army box I had already bought weren't too bad. Im really looking forward to the plastics (fingers crossed)
He just sent out an update saying if you were still waiting to contact Sarah. Also, if they were junk, ask for replacements. Automatically Appended Next Post: We have now sent out packages with missing items and most people now have got their issues sorted. However, I have spent part of this week personally chasing down some outstanding missing items for people who have contacted me on email or via Facebook. While I have seen a few, I know there might still be a few more. Please send us a gentle reminder (via Kickstarter PM) and I will personally make sure any outstanding issues are sorted, or email sarah.clark at manticgames.com.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/deadzone-the-sci-fi-miniatures-board-game/posts
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Post by: timetowaste85
That football discount is pretty awesome, actually. Way to show nerds can be sports nuts too!! Lol
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Post by: JoshInJapan
So, both the US and Japan are still in, which means no discount for me. It's just as well, I suppose, as it saves me from having to spend any more money this month...
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Post by: GrimDork
Yeah, I guess I'm in the same boat on that one. Ahh well, may just save the money for DKQ or something.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Japan's still in after that loss today?
That was a hard watch. So many "Almosts" (to keep it in spirit of the topic).
The TV is still on in the house. I don't think the family has accepted defeat yet.
Hadn't noticed those new Asterian/ Forge Father photos. Makes me wish I got a new Iron Ancestor. Like a few of you mentioned, I think I'll wait until I can get one in a VHS case rather than a plastic bag.
If an Asterian starter goes for a comparable price to the starters that show up on ebay/ resellers, I may grab one as well if they aren't too warped and lots of work
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Post by: winterwolf
Hulksmash wrote:
I await the hard plastic warpath kickstarter but outside of that I'll probably hang back on most Mantic kickstarters in the future. I wasn't really happy with pulling the individual model ordering or the inability to order the FF big guys outside of a starter or expansion on the second survey.
May be too late now, but I think you could order forgeguard sprues, you just had to ask. On my survey comments, I said I wanted 2 sprues if they were 10 or 15 a sprue and they added the charge to my invoice. Just have to make sure it gets shipped now. Mantic has always been good about responding to requests in my experience.
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Post by: Azazelx
Riquende wrote:Could you perhaps quote the 'being a dick part' and highlight which part you personally took offence to?
Edit:
Ah, okay. Think I worked it out. It's not the best phrased, true, But it is literally what happened last time the subject came up - people assuming that the rules will require that models be able to climb all over terrain, when none of us know nothing of the sort.
Perhaps a friendly smiley would have clarified it as a tongue in cheek comment rather than a backhanded swipe at other posters?
Well, it looked like a direct and completely unnecessary jab at myself and something I'd written only a few posts before - and is pretty much a key part of most modern-to-sci fi games, including 40k - which is the direct market that WarPath probably wants to aim at. Otherwise we may as well be playing Napoleonics or ACW with mass-based missile troops.
If they want to make a challenger/spiritual successor to EPIC, then I'm all for it. In 6mm, but not 28/32mm. Automatically Appended Next Post: GrimDork wrote:Gasp! You are correct =/ Oh well, maybe our team will lose and I'll get access. Or maybe it will continue winning and... that's... also... good? Either way I'll get a deal or not spend money, I can live with such options
Thanks for spotting that though, helps me manage my expectations!
Don't worry. You'll have access to the discount soon.
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Post by: GrimDork
Are you saying your football team is better than mine!?
*puffs out chest*
Ah... just kidding
But if England stayed at -2 and it's 20%... hmmm not quite as tempting.
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Post by: JoshInJapan
So, I can't tell if Japan is still in or not. Why is soccer/football so impenetrable for the non fan?!
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Post by: DaveC
Japan are out they came last in group C with 1 point so the discount applies
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Post by: GrimDork
Is the US still kicking tail (or at least not losing?) I realize it's lazy of me but I'm not totally sure I'd be able to discern the answer even if I did google up some news.
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Post by: Baragash
US need a point against Germany to guarantee going through. If they lose then it depends on goal difference and possible further tiebreakers if there's a winner in the other match in their group.
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Hmm. Too complicated, I may just have to call the sale a bust and save the money for Dwarf Kings Quest instead
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Post by: Azazelx
I finally paid my invoice yesterday. Is there anywhere I could possibly find an itemised and complete list, with individual item procing, or will I have to wait till it ships?
Or will that also just be a big list without prices?
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Post by: DaveC
You should have received an email summary when you submitted the survey that lists everything with prices and how many of each you ordered. Look for an email titled Deadzone Kickstarter FINAL Survey from manticgames(at)googlemail.com
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Post by: Pacific
Baragash wrote:US need a point against Germany to guarantee going through. If they lose then it depends on goal difference and possible further tiebreakers if there's a winner in the other match in their group.
It's quite likely the US will go through
Some scenarios:
- Ghana beat Portugal by 1 goal, US lose by 1 goal, US will still go through.
- Portugal need to overcome the minus 5 goal difference on the US, so they need to hammer Ghana.
- Very possible that we might get a an '84 and two German coaches will decide that neither of them need to win  A Germany-US draw puts them both through and Ghana/Portugal out.
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Post by: edlowe
Hi guys stupid questions but im checking my dz invoice vs my survey.
1 Were the starters two for one on the survey ?
2. I pledge for 4 zombie boxes, does that mean im geting 4 for 3 or 4 for 3 plus 1 box? I had assumed the fourth box was free but im not sjre if yoj nad to add on the free box
if both of tnese are true my invoice fits, just been so long since I filled it out I cant remember!
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Post by: DaveC
Starters were 2 for $50 or $35 each
Zombies $15 each or 4 for $45 (price of 3)
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Post by: edlowe
Cheers Davec
Looks like it all adds up. I'd actually forgotten I'd added on another enforcer starter plus a forge father one!
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Post by: The Dwarf Wolf
I loved all the forge fathers models so far. The bike do look a bit clumky, but its a dwarf bike after all ^^
What is bugging me is its base, i was expecting bike/cavalry long base instead of 30mm ones...
It will not be easy to get 4 of those bases for me, at least not without paying 10-20 bucks only as shipping :/
Well, what im complaining about? I paid 50 bucks for 4 gorgeous bikes and 12 gourgeous "terminator". Now, i only have to deal with the anxiety
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Post by: Azazelx
DaveC wrote:You should have received an email summary when you submitted the survey that lists everything with prices and how many of each you ordered. Look for an email titled Deadzone Kickstarter FINAL Survey from manticgames(at)googlemail.com
I have a right mess of one that lists everything that was in the survey with quantities next to it - including blank spaces next to things I ordered 0 of, and no prices. And I also added on a few things manually via emails to Stewart.
Mantic wouldn't try to rip me off deliberately, but given their slightly-messy track record, and the fact that it's just under $600-odd worth of stuff I would strongly prefer to be able to manually check every item and price of every item in my invoice. Automatically Appended Next Post: DaveC wrote:You should have received an email summary when you submitted the survey that lists everything with prices and how many of each you ordered. Look for an email titled Deadzone Kickstarter FINAL Survey from manticgames(at)googlemail.com
I have that, but frankly, it's a mess since it also includes everything that I didn't buy (though it does have prices) and is missing the additional things that were added on afterwards since they were kind enough to be accomodating. And things like the discounted multi-sets with the actual proper discounted prices charged and all of that. I'm really after, you know, a proper itemised invoice listing what I'm being sent and what I've been charged for each item instead of a messy email that's missing a bunch of stuff. I've just emailed Stewart asking him for that, so fingers crossed. Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, and anyone else still waiting on their MA invoice?
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Yes Azazelx. I don't believe I've had my MA one yet either.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
I'm pretty sure I paid a MA one ages ago.
At least I think I did.
Maybe it was something else...you guys make me worried. Maybe I should ask Mantic directly?
I know I ordered a lot of bugs. Far more than I'll possibly ever use at one time in the game.
I had planned on doing an EDF style campaign with them... and possibly some Rivet Wars figures.
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Post by: Azazelx
Just sent a query about that as well. Which DZ PDF/digital books are out so far/should I have?
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Post by: GrimDork
Rulebook (version that includes cards for plague/enforcers), nexus psi, short story compilation, pdfs for the cards for marauders and rebs.
Think that's it.
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Post by: Azazelx
Are they all through Wargame Vault? Or are some direct downloads? Automatically Appended Next Post: And which rulebooks are printed and included in various pledge levels, a nd which are not? I found the "compendium" is supposed to be free & printed for $300+ (or has that been split into two books?)
The hardcover book is for pledges of $700 or $750 or something like that.
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Post by: monders
Did someone on here recently mention a change of address?! We're moving soon so I need to let Mantic know where my lovely DB and MA stuff needs to be delivered to...
I looked on the KS pages but couldn't find anything in the FAQ. Do I contact them directly?!
Cheers.
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Post by: Mu
I've recently moved and sent a message through their kickstarter page and got a reply about a week later, so I assume that has worked.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
I got the MA invoice just now, so they're still sending them out.
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Post by: monders
Cheers, Mu. I'll give that a go.
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Post by: CptJake
I've been known to be pretty critical of Mantic, and want to give some credit where it is due.
I recently used the contact email address for Sarah, their customer service person, to ask a couple of favors regarding my Mars Attacks and Dread Ball Extreme pledges, requests they would have no real reason to grant.
A couple of days later (today actually) Sarah emailed me back and helped me out. And I appreciate that.
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Post by: NTRabbit
Azazelx wrote:Are they all through Wargame Vault? Or are some direct downloads?
Automatically Appended Next Post:
And which rulebooks are printed and included in various pledge levels, a nd which are not? I found the "compendium" is supposed to be free & printed for $300+ (or has that been split into two books?)
The hardcover book is for pledges of $700 or $750 or something like that.
Rulebook w/ cards, Nexus Psi = Wargame Vault, print Recon and higher, and digital comes with every pledge
Short story compilation = Mantic Digital, digital comes with almost every pledge
The Compendium was originally 1 book, now two books, comes with the same pledges as above digitally, free for $300+ backers or available as a purchasable add on in softcover, no word on which digital source,
Hardcover compendium was for $750+ backers, I don't think there's been word on whether that's still 1 book, or 2 hardcovers
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Post by: timetowaste85
For questions about addresses: I emailed Stew Gibbs. He changed my address for me in their computers about 5 times in the past year. He's your man to talk to. I can't get the email addy for you right now, but hopefully another helpful bloke can pass it on to you.
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Post by: overtyrant
Here you go chaps, he's helped me out a few times as well:
stewart.gibbs@manticgames.com
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Post by: alphaecho
A bit of news for the retail Mars Attacks. The latest SFX magazine carries a full page ad for the game with the slogan "Invading this Fall".
I assume that corresponds to September at the earliest.
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Post by: willb2064
alphaecho wrote:A bit of news for the retail Mars Attacks. The latest SFX magazine carries a full page ad for the game with the slogan "Invading this Fall".
I assume that corresponds to September at the earliest.
Makes sense. Didn't DZ get a retail release a couple of months after the KS started shipping?
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Post by: scarletsquig
^ No, it shipped immediately, in a limited format.
Mars Attacks will be an October retail release.
July and August releases will be Deadzone. Ruins for July, hopefully Forgefather and Asterian starters for August.
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Post by: JoshInJapan
A question for the better informed/more proficient at record keeping: was Boomer a Wave 1 mini or a Wave 2 mini?
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Post by: edlowe
He was wave 2
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Post by: GrimDork
Gonna have to employ that model in some games, grenades can be hilarious.
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Post by: JoshInJapan
That's a relief. I was finishing off my mercenaries this past weekend when I realized that one card (in the PDF) didn't have a mini to go with it...
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Post by: angelofvengeance
scarletsquig wrote:^ No, it shipped immediately, in a limited format.
Mars Attacks will be an October retail release.
July and August releases will be Deadzone. Ruins for July, hopefully Forgefather and Asterian starters for August.
So if you buy the Ruins quadrant- you'll get a box rather like the one I got yesterday
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Post by: judgedoug
Theophony wrote:I wish some of the discounter s kept decent stock of mantic, I'd buy more. As it is thewarstore is always out of stock when I check them, so I have really stopped checking, and miniaturemarket just gets in the initial wave (maybe hey buy into the Kickstarter or something, then they sell it off until they decide to clearance and don't restock  . Don't forget that they also have the free terrain sprue deal going too  , not much more incentive, but it is a little extra that you get from them over their discounters.
frpgames.com has pretty much every Mantic thing released, at minimum 20% off.
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Post by: pretre
Holy crud, that's a big box of terrain.
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Post by: decker_cky
judgedoug wrote:frpgames.com has pretty much every Mantic thing released, at minimum 20% off.
I think there's bundles on the Mantic site that aren't available elsewhere. If there's a 3 goal win, then there gets to be some real steals.
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Post by: angelofvengeance
decker_cky wrote: judgedoug wrote:frpgames.com has pretty much every Mantic thing released, at minimum 20% off. I think there's bundles on the Mantic site that aren't available elsewhere. If there's a 3 goal win, then there gets to be some real steals. I got my stuff for 20% off. Despite my hopes being dashed that England would suffer a crushing defeat by Costa Rica in the last footie match. Let's be frank. England's performances in Brazil were shockingly bad.
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Post by: Necros
Gonna be getting the ruined quadrant soon. That's one big box! I noticed Miniature Market just added it for I think $139.99.
I'm sure I'll still be painting it around this time next year...
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Necros wrote:Gonna be getting the ruined quadrant soon. That's one big box! I noticed Miniature Market just added it for I think $139.99. I'm sure I'll still be painting it around this time next year... You and me both mate lol. Ps> they've given a rather generous amount of clips sprues for this one. x8 sprues!! And I have spares coming in wave 2 lol
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Post by: timetowaste85
Strider rules have been sent out by email. I'm on my phone, can't post full email, but they're between 26-28 pts each and they've hinted at Corp coming to DZ in it. Also A3-those missile launchers finally have a purpose.
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Here you go everybody
With Deadzone: Incursion introducing bigger and better battlefields, you’re going to need new equipment to combat the new threat.
Enter the Strider, a versatile Light Support Vehicle that we’ve been previewing for a little while now…
‘Strider’ is a generic term applied to a variety of bipedal vehicles employed by the Corporations. The GR-77 model is a combat variant employed by the Enforcers, but often stolen and re-purposed by other factions. As versatile as it is powerful, a Strider is a valuable asset to a strike team.
The Strider is a mean machine that can be employed by no less than the Enforcers, the Plague and the Rebs. Oh, and there’s a Corporation Pilot included as well so you can include it in Warpath (or maybe if one day a Corporation faction gets added to Deadzone?)
The Strider kit itself is premium plastic and includes an array of unique pilots, cockpits and several different weapon configurations – for any long-range menaces the Enforcers can use the Genling 88 HLS-X, a Range 12 AP4 cannon to blast away any opponents from afar. If however you prefer your carnage a little more up close and personal both the Rebs and Plague variants have the Brawler special rule and come equipped with an Assault Flamer and Chainsaw. Nasty!
The plastic kit also comes with banners for the Rebs, extra armour and a shoulder-mounted missile launcher - because why not?!
Enjoy!
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Post by: pretre
Oh my! That's great.
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Plague strider looks cool. Though I'd make the pilot more mutated.
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Post by: DaveC
Can someone remind me where premium plastic fits in Mantics plastic definitions again. I'm nearly sure they are PVC (resin versions in the pictures) not really an issue for me as the DB mech turned out great even in PVC and these are larger.
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Post by: Alpharius
Good question!
You'd think 'premium plastic' would mean HIPs or something similar...
But here? I have no idea.
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Post by: Pacific
Anyone know how much those strider things are likely to cost?
Really like the plague dude driving that one, and the ridiculously oversized gun!
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Post by: sukura636
DaveC is right. Premium plastic = restic. Restic is a bit of a misnomer, as it contains no resin.
KS striders went for $20 (Bogof), so probably a bit more than that for retail. $25?
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Post by: DaveC
Mantic have upped the store discount to 25% for the next 24 hours.
Code: HEROHOWARD25
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Post by: scarletsquig
Yep, Premium Plastic == restic.
After spending this afternoon cleaning up lots of flash from some Basileans and having to hot water bend the swords back into shape and then having to dry fit and hot water bend the arms to properly line up with the swords on each one, I'd say that "Premium Plastic" is more of a misnomer than restic is.
It'll be alright on the strider though, chunky model, not too many parts, not thin and and spindley bendy bits everywhere. Asterians are going to be a fun one...
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Post by: Thraxas Of Turai
Depends upon the Quality control too, hopefully Mantic have had a word with the factory over in China. No more bits torn off sprues or hideous miscasts please. I have not bought any recent DZ releases so does anyone know if the restic mix has improved?
@Pacific I think that Striders will be anything from the £12 (unlikely) to £15/£18 price point over here. For those saying this is equal/close to Kickstarter prices Mantic have done this before.
@Scarletsquig: You are a brave man, I just cannot face any of the Basileans.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Oh, my. Those things are completely indestructible.
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Post by: CptJake
If the QC for restic casting on the Striders is as good as the marauder gun tracks, I am in for massive disappointment and frustration.
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Post by: GrimDork
Trying to remember long reload... can it only shoot every other turn or is it just another wording for deliberate?
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Post by: Hulksmash
What's the current word on shipping of wave 2?
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Post by: scarletsquig
Well, "July" is the current word from Mantic, which I interpret as "first packages will start going out at the end of the month, you'll probably get it in August".
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Post by: Paradigm
Rules for the Striders look interesting, and I like the variety between the factions. The Enforcer one looks brutal, AP4 and Irresistible means it's almost one-shotting Stage 1s with a good roll! That said, fitting one in an Enforcer list will be brutal, although it's more worth its cost than the Peacekeeper Captain. The AP3 Chainsaws with Brawler on the Plague and Rebs ones are also looking nasty, but except against other Striders, I can't see it replacing S1s or Terratons respectively in my lists. With 5+ on shooting and fighting, the Rebs ones may be a bit too generalist, and doesn't look as good as the Enforcer one for the same cost. Out of interest, what does the Vehicle rule do? I don't have the book with it in (it's not in the main one, is it?) Still, they do all look very cool, model-wise and rules-wise, and if they're as reasonably priced as the Iron Ancestor, I can see myself buying a couple. Any word yet on whether or not they come with the cards in the box, or in one of the incoming supplement books? 4000 posts! I have too much free time...
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Post by: Red Viper
DaveC wrote:Mantic have upped the store discount to 25% for the next 24 hours.
Code: HEROHOWARD25
Damn. My group might finally start Deadzone then. They already have a nice deal of some of their larger sets... now we'd be stupid NOT to buy it... right?
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Post by: .Mikes.
I love the striders. Love them love them, love them. But I'm not looking forward to painting that screen on the Enforcer variant. I find glass one of the worst/hardest things to paint.
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Post by: sukura636
I've friend who are good with spray guns, I'm thinking of asking them to do just the canopy. That or go with an open variant.
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Post by: edlowe
Bit annoying that we haven't seen the plastic enforcers yet, apart from that scenery pic.
Did I hear right that the wp 3.0 beta rules will be out soon to backers, or just imaging it? I'm hoping there will at least be some revised army lists before I start to put my plastic enforcers together.
Must say im glad I went in for some striders now, kinda think they should have been a plastic sprue considering they fit in four factions for dz and wp tho.
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Post by: sukura636
Ronnie mentioned that the rules should be sent out with Survey 2, and as far as I know, they are working towards that goal.
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Post by: edlowe
Interesting pic from the ks comments:
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Post by: GrimDork
Defender shield on the peacekeepers is just sexy. The aesterian looks particularly not-eldar to me, but it's kind of hard to tell from the picture. The drones look fancy, bigger than I expected.
Ahh, long reload means shoot and spend next turn reloading, so you won't be popping goons left and right with the enforcer strider, but he'll have plenty of time to take out major threats.
25% off manticware? Crap, there goes some of my money.
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Post by: Paradigm
I think I need everything in that picture... twice!
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Post by: Alpharius
I'd like everything in that picture too - as it is either 'hard' (not premium) plastic and/or 'real' (not PVC) resin, most likely!
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Post by: GrimDork
Nevermind, mantic's pay processing whatsit said it charged me too much but the number was right on my credit card charge.
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Post by: Alpharius
Plus there probably isn't anyone 'there' right now either!
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Post by: Riquende
Alpharius wrote:I'd like everything in that picture too - as it is either 'hard' (not premium) plastic and/or 'real' (not PVC) resin, most likely!
All the Asterian stuff is restic, it's hard to say which (if any) of those Enforcers are the older restic stuff.
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Post by: GrimDork
I fixed it, the charge was correct, their payment whatsit just got the wrong total somehow. The number appearing on my transaction list was totally correct. Automatically Appended Next Post: Of course, the email confirmation was wrong too, so i'll just keep an eye on my cc account. By the time this order and the second dz shipment comes in, i'll have a boat load of space dwarfs!
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Post by: .Mikes.
I wasn't too bothered about the Asterians by the concept art, but the minis are making me change my mind.
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Post by: privateer4hire
.Mikes. wrote:I wasn't too bothered about the Asterians by the concept art, but the minis are making me change my mind.
Did that mean you didn't like them originally and changed your mind to like them
OR
Did that mean you liked them originally and changed your mind toward not liking them.
Sorry for my confusion.
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Post by: Yonan
GrimDork wrote:Defender shield on the peacekeepers is just sexy. The aesterian looks particularly not-eldar to me, but it's kind of hard to tell from the picture. The drones look fancy, bigger than I expected.
Whilst loving the whole "dying race of high elves in space" concept, I've never liked GWs implementation of it. Putting your civilians with short range weapons in bad armour on the front lines... what the feth? Commanders controlling drones is a much more fitting "high tech but dying elder race" ... thing. I also much prefer the aesthetic for the most part - especially the armour. I've never liked any Eldar armour (the helmets... ; /). Or WHFB High Elf armour for that matter. Farseers look nice though ; p
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Post by: .Mikes.
privateer4hire wrote: .Mikes. wrote:I wasn't too bothered about the Asterians by the concept art, but the minis are making me change my mind.
Did that mean you didn't like them originally and changed your mind to like them
OR
Did that mean you liked them originally and changed your mind toward not liking them.
Sorry for my confusion.
Nope, I should have been clearer.
I meant I wasn't too impressed by the concept drawings or the 3D renders, but when I saw the minis I realised I had to get some. It's one of those times where the concept didn't do the end result justice.
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Post by: Yonan
I agree, the 3d printed masters look great. Here's hoping they come out well in production copies ; p
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Post by: GrimDork
They get a solid thumbs up from me for now.
Also, i think they have the high tech part, but not necessarily dying. Maybe they just don't procreate as often so as to not flood the galaxy with n00b space elfs. At least, nothing i've read so far points towards doomed/dying. The dbx team seems pretty... fit... and uhh... certainly don't look like a dying race imo. And the story about cyphers in the containment protocols book has them work more like the avatar blue monkey suits. Elves hop into a stasis bed/vat/chamber and jack in, for total sensory control of their cypher rig, in the story one of them who couldn't disconnect from their rig as they got killed also died in person.. and one or two others took enough nervous system damage to potentially render them unable to pilot again. I only bring it up since it argues the point better than my speculation, and I believe we're to take the short story compilation as canon... maybe?
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
So, if they die in the Matrix...
Man, that's stupid.
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Post by: GrimDork
Well I think its more like your brain going on overload from pain slash the sensory input system dividing by zero... but to each his own. Goofy as the movie was (Pocahontas in space, sheesh) avatar monkey suit things fit it closest to me.
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Post by: Azazelx
Most toasters these days have auto-shut-off circuits these days. So if you drop them in the bathtub, they cut out instead of killing you.
Toasters.
Just sayin' - bad sci-fi is still bad.
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Post by: GrimDork
Ehh, you guys can naysay, totally valid and such. Still, it makes sense for how the cyphers are going to develop more skills over the course of a campaign, and as far as i'm concerned the toaster thing works and it doesn't. The toaster is blowing a fuse or something, the cypher seems to be wired into someone's nervous system, I'm totally fine with buying the shock from that going awry may mess someone up. Its not like they all died, one of them just got it bad.
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Post by: warboss
Yonan wrote: GrimDork wrote:Defender shield on the peacekeepers is just sexy. The aesterian looks particularly not-eldar to me, but it's kind of hard to tell from the picture. The drones look fancy, bigger than I expected.
Whilst loving the whole "dying race of high elves in space" concept, I've never liked GWs implementation of it. Putting your civilians with short range weapons in bad armour on the front lines... what the feth? Commanders controlling drones is a much more fitting "high tech but dying elder race" ... thing. I also much prefer the aesthetic for the most part - especially the armour. I've never liked any Eldar armour (the helmets... ; /). Or WHFB High Elf armour for that matter. Farseers look nice though ; p
Agreed. I've have more supported the GW Eldar view if they instead "piloted" Wraithguard/lords remotely.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
GrimDork wrote:Well I think its more like your brain going on overload from pain slash the sensory input system dividing by zero... but to each his own. Goofy as the movie was (Pocahontas in space, sheesh) avatar monkey suit things fit it closest to me.
Yeah, but in Avatar, they weren't trying to save soldiers' lives by replacing them with drones...that kill those very soldiers when they die. Seriously, they can't just tone down the simulation to non-lethal levels? Make it like a wii or something and have it vibrate when your drone dies, maybe?
At this point, stupid robots that bump into things would make far more sense than literally putting your people at risk of death in order to save them from harm.
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Post by: Compel
I think the idea is that yes, normally, they do save their soldiers from harm.
However, on very rare occasion extremely traumatic events can be passed on to the pilot, killing them. Slightly more often damage can cause issues that mean they can't pilot again.
I imagine that still, the vast majority of the time, the pilot will exit comfortably.
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Post by: Sidstyler
I think it makes more sense if trauma or death was a rare case and that the vast majority of the time dying in the suit didn't necessarily harm the pilot. Otherwise yeah, it wouldn't make too much sense.
I imagine it's probably something you wouldn't want to do often, though. Even in 40k Tau fluff there's something like battlesuit psychosis, I don't remember what it's called, but spending excessive amounts of time in the suit could potentially feth with the pilot's brain and make life outside of it kind of difficult to adjust to. Not really the same thing I guess but still, there's a precedent set in lots of different types of media about wiring your brain into robots and how that could possibly not be good for you.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Compel wrote:I think the idea is that yes, normally, they do save their soldiers from harm.
However, on very rare occasion extremely traumatic events can be passed on to the pilot, killing them. Slightly more often damage can cause issues that mean they can't pilot again.
I imagine that still, the vast majority of the time, the pilot will exit comfortably.
Just like with modern drone operators.
Oh wait. That's still silly.
How about, extremely traumatic events affect the pilot like playing Doom 3? Or like crashing an RC car? Or, anything that involves competence on the part of the manufacturer?
Can Mantic really not think of any way to add a stake to the atherian's side of the game without ' lol, killz tha pilot'?
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Post by: NTRabbit
I don't have a problem with it, I guess you'll just have to lump it?
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Post by: Yonan
Not necessarily NTRabbit - if it is that way and we don't like it, we could convince Mantic to retcon it. Have to say, it largely defeats the purpose of running drones like that if the user can die so it's quite immersion breaking. I'd prefer the more realistic the robot just blows up and the pilot gets a new one. If you need Asterians to die off somehow, let them get slaughtered once all their robots are dead or if their control stations get overrun.
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Post by: NTRabbit
Where is this plugged in remote controlled stuff coming from anyway? Last I read the Cyphers were halfway between a Dread and a Wraithguard, they had the brain of a dead Asterian inside them that was remotely commanded by the live Asterian commander on the ground.
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Post by: Friendly Bunny Rabbit
The containment protocols book was a collection of short stories written by enthusiastic fans, wasn't it'? So I doubt it's supposed to be canon. Just stories to 'inspire your games', according to the blurb.
My opinion has pretty much been said. Dying race uses cypher avatar things to do the dirty work to prevent loss of precious life. Makes sense. SO WHY THE F**K WOULD ANY RACE WITH BRAINS USE A TECHNOLOGY DEVELOPED FOR PREVENTING LOSS OF OPERATOR LIFE IF IT COMES WITH A HIGH CHANCE OF LOSS OF OPERATOR LIFE.
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Post by: Krinsath
The answer is likely the effective response of Cyphers far exceeds that of a robot or drone. They appeared in their story to move with the fluidity and awareness of a normal soldier, which is the advantage of that technology over drones which are very limited in comparison (an operator has to process their own environment in addition to the battlefield). The disadvantage is that sometimes the destruction of the suit can cause injury, though it's not said if it's the technology doing this or sensory overload causing the body to damage itself.
It's plausible that it's simply a risk inherent in the technology. Cars can burst into flames if hit right. It's uncommon and they design the car to make it as infrequent as possible, but you can't remove the risk of fire from a box carrying gallons of fuel. People still drive daily and outside of very bad situations they rarely explode. Similarly, perhaps the Asterians can minimize the risk, but when the mission demands full combat capability they can't alter the fact that the battlefield is traumatic and not everyone will come back alive.
However, not every suit destruction kills its pilot. On a mission that was an abject failure where the team walked straight into an ambush a great many more Cyphers are coming out of that alive than Enforcers or Rebs, even if a handful are damaged. The knowledge of that situation makes it back to unit intact, allowing great strides in improvement and battlefield intelligence as mistakes teach far more than successes when they don't kill you. This provides a significant benefit to an Asterian force that not even their failures are without merit. An Enforcer patrol that gets wiped out isn't noticed for hours. A Cypher standing sentry that's taken out is noticed immediately.
While imperfect, the technology DOES give them major advantages in battle, and that's why I feel it's fine.
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Post by: Paradigm
Yeah, I'm not too fussed by the Asterian fluff, it adds a bit of character if there's a risk to the operator (otherwise, playing them in-character you'd not care about any kind of defence as there's always another drone available).
It also makes far more sense than sending your small pool of combat-capable citizens into battle with cardboard armour and a gun you can throw further than it can shoot....
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Post by: Bioptic
Just to confirm - everyone that's out of the World Cup gets the 25% discount, not just the US! It's just more time-limited than the 20% one, and you don't get the June-only free Deadzone accessory sprue.
Shame I'm not in the market to acquire a truckload more models, otherwise I'd have been on the Bloodmire Legion for £75 in a flash! One of the stronger arguments for PVC I've seen, if they can still turn a profit on this:
http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/kings-of-war/undead/product/the-bloodmire-legion-179-figures.html
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Post by: GrimDork
Aww, no sprue for me? Thats ok, i've got like a bajillion of those anyway. I just hope they charged my card right, i may still send them an email so they can try to figure out what's going on with that so they don't piss off too many customers.
As to that big army box, the revenants, skeletons, ghouls, and zombies are for sure hard plastic. So 140 o the models in the box are hard plastic, leaving the mummies, werewolves, and cavalry as restic (i think). The characters at top should be metal and i know the catapults are hard plastic too.
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Post by: Friendly Bunny Rabbit
GrimDork wrote:Aww, no sprue for me? Thats ok, i've got like a bajillion of those anyway. I just hope they charged my card right, i may still send them an email so they can try to figure out what's going on with that so they don't piss off too many customers.
As to that big army box, the revenants, skeletons, ghouls, and zombies are for sure hard plastic. So 140 o the models in the box are hard plastic, leaving the mummies, werewolves, and cavalry as restic (i think). The characters at top should be metal and i know the catapults are hard plastic too.
I thought Ilona was restic:?
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Post by: lord_blackfang
I was going to register on the Mantic store but apparently my country doesn't exist.
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Post by: GrimDork
Oh, well maybe she is restic then, i'm not as familiar with that character. Still all of the more basic infantry and warmachines are plastic, which is a lot better of a prospect than the entire box being restic, ehh?
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Post by: scarletsquig
Found an interesting blog post, by a Brazilian who went to visit Mantic:
http://paintingfrog.wordpress.com/2014/07/03/visiting-britains-lead-belt-mantic-games/
Should hopefully give some better insight into the actual size of the company since you do still see a lot of "Mantic doesn't need the KS money" comments being posted.
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Post by: pretre
Neat article!
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Post by: Alpharius
I could care less about how much Mantic uses KS, or not.
I just want to Mantic to up their game in terms of concept art to miniature, QC and, of course, more 'Hard Plastic'!
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Post by: Compel
Paradigm wrote:Yeah, I'm not too fussed by the Asterian fluff, it adds a bit of character if there's a risk to the operator (otherwise, playing them in-character you'd not care about any kind of defence as there's always another drone available).
Thinking in Logical terms, it also means that Cyphers can take part in the Deadzone campaign fully, merely by giving them a rule to reroll their injury/death results.
But, for the record so that everyone knows just what exactly the deal is.
Only four of his ten Cyphers had returned, another was severly damaged. Joshan Go had perished through the shock of disassociation. Preliminary reports suggested two others might never be fit for Cypher work again."
So, in other words. The use of remote controlled Cypher suits have basically decreased casualties by 50%. - And that's if you count the 'might never' as a full casualty.
It all seems pretty fair to me.
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Post by: pretre
Even with an overload cutout circuit or something similar, the depth of control involved will leave a lasting scar on the individual in other ways. I imagine there's a lot of doing evil for the greater good kind of thing that tends to wear on the 'pilots'.
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Post by: Alpharius
It is still 'bad science' and doesn't make a lot of sense.
But hey, at least the miniatures look good - for now!
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Post by: pretre
Alpharius wrote:It is still 'bad science' and doesn't make a lot of sense.
But hey, at least the miniatures look good - for now!
Good thing it's science fiction and not science then.
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Post by: Compel
It makes a helluva lot more sense than the similar technology and concepts found in Pacific Rim...
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Compel wrote:It makes a helluva lot more sense than the similar technology and concepts found in Pacific Rim... Don't slate Pacific Rim While it may be a bit thin on plot, giant stompy robots facing off against giant alien monsters from another planet is always a WIN in my book lol. On topic, my brother had considered using the Asterians as Wraithguard for a 40k Iyanden army. After all, who says all Bonesingers have to have the same style?
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Post by: Krinsath
pretre wrote: Alpharius wrote:It is still 'bad science' and doesn't make a lot of sense.
But hey, at least the miniatures look good - for now!
Good thing it's science fiction and not science then.
Exactly. To be bad science, we'd have to know how transferring a consciousness works. At this time we don't know if it's even possible, and thus we have no ideas of what drawbacks may exist with this hypothetical process.
The Cyphers are good science-fiction. They're an outgrowth of an existing technology we know exists and works (drones) taken to an extreme progression with unknown processes. The reasons to use the technology versus not using the technology make sense; it's a compromise between complete safety ("true" drones) and complete risk (sending in the warriors themselves) and that has a ring of truth to it. Nothing is perfect, but there are certainly options that are better than others. For special forces missions (i.e. - anything in DeadZone, really), the leaders of a given theater obviously value the objective highly. If you have that high value of an objective, you send the most capable force you have at your disposal. If Cyphers are more capable than "true" drones, you send the Cyphers regardless of the risk to personnel.
This also introduces an interesting question. Can Cyphers be deployed as drones controlled remotely via more mundane methods as well as "piloted"? While less effective than the piloted version, that would make far more sense for the mass-battle scenario where your objectives are not as clearly defined. Once a high-value target becomes identified, having the Cypher team assume direct control </Mass Effect 2 reference> to carry out that limited mission in the scope of the battlefield (i.e. - a short-term stat boost) would be most interesting indeed.
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Post by: warboss
I always thought it would have been better for the eldar to do something similar. If the soulstones on wraith units were encased in the super tough wraithbone, they'd "download" their consciousness into the wraithunits whose shells could be destroyed but leave the more "valuable" soulstones in the vast majority of cases still intact and ready to extract (ala geneseed for space marines). The eldar consciousness would then be transferred back into their bodies if the stones were recovered intact. The actual "death" rate would be likely lower than sending in hordes of lightly armed and armored civilians in any case. It would also open the door for tragic massive galleries of comatose eldar kept alive in perpetuity just in case their soulstones were recovered from a battlefield loss centuries or eons later. I don't like the asterian models at all but I prefer their fluff a bit more than that of the eldar in this limited sense.
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Post by: sukura636
I believe, from fluff, the Cyphers have a rudimentary AI system, to prevent the Phantom Menace problem.
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Post by: Alpharius
Er, OK - for the pedantic nit pickers, it is still bad science in a science-fiction setting! Or, in other words, bad SF.
I'm really liking the look of the Asterians though, so I hope they transfer to PVC well...
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Post by: Krinsath
Alpharius wrote:Er, OK - for the pedantic nit pickers, it is still bad science in a science-fiction setting! Or, in other words, bad SF.
I'm really liking the look of the Asterians though, so I hope they transfer to PVC well...
Fair enough, but please elaborate on why you feel it's bad science fiction. What part of it breaks from the setting or seems "too implausible" (allowing that we're talking about a setting where interstellar travel is possible, an ancient mutating plague is overrunning planets and all the other "standard" sci-fi tropes)? Not trying to argue, I'm genuinely curious as to how you arrived at this opinion from the same set of data as perhaps there's some nugget of information I've overlooked.
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Post by: Talking Banana
As far as bad science goes, at least they're not using doggerel like "reverse the polarity of the quantum flux capacitors to re-seal the hole in the space-time continuum."
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Post by: Paradigm
No, no, everyone knows you 'reverse the polarity of the neutron flow!'
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Post by: pretre
Paradigm wrote:No, no, everyone knows you 'reverse the polarity of the neutron flow!'
You rang?
On topic, however, I can feel the pressure of waiting starting to increase. I want my stuff!
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Post by: agnosto
And don't cross the streams....that would be very bad.
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Post by: sukura636
I did the kesla run in 12 parsecs...
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Post by: Paradigm
Ah, my least favourite line in Star Wars!  I mean, the Parsec is a unit of distance, not time, so that's like saying 'I can run from here to Texas in 12 miles!'
Oh, but of course, this is not the plot hole we're looking for...
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Post by: decker_cky
That's a big twinkie....
Anyone who says Ghostbusters is bad science fiction deserves to be shot.
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Post by: Alpharius
Paradigm wrote:
Ah, my least favourite line in Star Wars!  I mean, the Parsec is a unit of distance, not time, so that's like saying 'I can run from here to Texas in 12 miles!'
Oh, but of course, this is not the plot hole we're looking for...
Or maybe Han knows a secret shortcut?
So, back on topic now, everyone, please?
Thanks!
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Post by: Cyporiean
Paradigm wrote:
Ah, my least favourite line in Star Wars!  I mean, the Parsec is a unit of distance, not time, so that's like saying 'I can run from here to Texas in 12 miles!'
Oh, but of course, this is not the plot hole we're looking for...
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kessel_Run
The Kessel Run was one of the most heavily used smuggling routes in the Galactic Empire. Han Solo claimed that his Millennium Falcon "made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs". A parsec is a unit of distance, not time. Solo was not referring directly to his ship's speed when he made this claim. Instead, he was referring to the shorter route he was able to travel by skirting the nearby Maw black hole cluster, thus making the run in under the standard distance. By moving closer to the black holes, Solo managed to cut the distance down to about 11.5 parsecs. The smuggler BoShek actually beat Solo's record in his ship, Infinity, but without cargo to weigh him down. A few months later, Han Solo beat both his own and BoShek's records in a run he made with Luke Skywalker.
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