Welcome to Glasshammer Gaming. We are a group of competitive UK based Team England ETC players running the new community page to showcase the ETC.

The website is now LIVE! The new ETC FAQ and Rules pack is live on our website. We have blog posts released on a weekly basis, a list building service, links to new events (TOs can promote their events on our website) and much more. We also do 20% off GW products.

Visit http://www.glasshammergaming.co.uk

If anyone has any feedback please leave a comment and I'll get back to you.

I will be editing this post with an update to new blog posts:

11/5/18: Our next List Analysis series is up on the website, with a guest article. Neil Powell from ETC Team Scotland discusses his Ork army for the upcoming LGT 40k Tournament. Check it out here:

https://www.glasshammergaming.co.uk/2018/05/11/list-analysis-neil-powells-lgt-orks-army/

List writing for money? And here was me thinking the world couldn't get any madder....

stroller wrote:
List writing for money? And here was me thinking the world couldn't get any madder....

People wouldn't be offering this service if there wasn't a demand for it.

Wouldn't they? Some people have bad ideas about businesses and I can't think of any time you'd need a list writing service.

Entirely upto people to use it or not mate but if people need help designing a top tier list or want some advice about their own then we are here to help

stroller wrote:
List writing for money? And here was me thinking the world couldn't get any madder....

I think it's mad that people pay for Tabletop Tactics and Mini Wargaming videos. Or literally any crowdfunding thing. Each to their own.

 Sim-Life wrote:

stroller wrote:
List writing for money? And here was me thinking the world couldn't get any madder....

I think it's mad that people pay for Tabletop Tactics and Mini Wargaming videos. Or literally any crowdfunding thing. Each to their own.

People pay for that ?

 LexOdin9 wrote:

stroller wrote:
List writing for money? And here was me thinking the world couldn't get any madder....

People wouldn't be offering this service if there wasn't a demand for it.

Of course they would. Bad ideas are free.

You guys could probably do with a darker colour for the text, increase the contrast and it'll be a lot easier to read.

 gbghg wrote:
You guys could probably do with a darker colour for the text, increase the contrast and it'll be a lot easier to read.

Thanks for the feedback mate I'll let the admin junky know haha

Competition gamers....making the hobby fun for everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

licclerich wrote:
Competition gamers....making the hobby fun for everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Only use Tournament Player Approved miniatures for The Best Competitive Results. Remember, unless a model has been in a top table list at a tournament, it's worthless.

No need to be toxic guys. Just trying to help the community that's all.

 KillswitchUK wrote:
No need to be toxic guys. Just trying to help the community that's all.

I would argue that your "help" results in a far more negative environment for 40k players. I honestly wouldn't have minded but then you went and accused me of being "toxic" which is like the distillation of pure passive aggressiveness and a vauge accusation with no meaning.

Would anyone call Dakka a bastion of goodwill and positivity in the game? No, its a hole filled with people bitching about everything under the sun and focussing on the competitive aspects of a game not designed to be played at tournament level. The focus on only taking what is competitive leads to a lack of variety in lists

But go on. "Help" the community by instructing new players to buy up destroyers and basilisks and then charging for it.

 Sim-Life wrote:


But go on. "Help" the community by instructing new players to buy up destroyers and basilisks and then charging for it.

And there is your problem...

Happy to help you figure out what is actually good though

 Sim-Life wrote:

 KillswitchUK wrote:
No need to be toxic guys. Just trying to help the community that's all.

I would argue that your "help" results in a far more negative environment for 40k players. I honestly wouldn't have minded but then you went and accused me of being "toxic" which is like the distillation of pure passive aggressiveness and a vauge accusation with no meaning.

Would anyone call Dakka a bastion of goodwill and positivity in the game? No, its a hole filled with people bitching about everything under the sun and focussing on the competitive aspects of a game not designed to be played at tournament level. The focus on only taking what is competitive leads to a lack of variety in lists

But go on. "Help" the community by instructing new players to buy up destroyers and basilisks and then charging for it.

You're very upset about people playing a wargame well. Dakka's combination obsession with top tier tournament play and complete lack of understanding of it isn't reflective of the rest of the world, which mostly doesn't care about any of it.

If people want to waste their money paying Alex for list advice when they can just go and look at his actual lists fairly easily then that's on them, but maybe taking it as a personal insult isn't your best angle.

It is also a useful service for people who are too busy playtest extensively, and if paying a very moderate amount gets them a bespoke competitive list then why not. It's just time vs money.

If people want to play I am sure they can design some good lists.

 Corrode wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

 KillswitchUK wrote:
No need to be toxic guys. Just trying to help the community that's all.

I would argue that your "help" results in a far more negative environment for 40k players. I honestly wouldn't have minded but then you went and accused me of being "toxic" which is like the distillation of pure passive aggressiveness and a vauge accusation with no meaning.

Would anyone call Dakka a bastion of goodwill and positivity in the game? No, its a hole filled with people bitching about everything under the sun and focussing on the competitive aspects of a game not designed to be played at tournament level. The focus on only taking what is competitive leads to a lack of variety in lists

But go on. "Help" the community by instructing new players to buy up destroyers and basilisks and then charging for it.

You're very upset about people playing a wargame well. Dakka's combination obsession with top tier tournament play and complete lack of understanding of it isn't reflective of the rest of the world, which mostly doesn't care about any of it.

If people want to waste their money paying Alex for list advice when they can just go and look at his actual lists fairly easily then that's on them, but maybe taking it as a personal insult isn't your best angle.

He accused me of being toxic, which is a way of trying to shut down opposing view points when someone doesn't actually have an argument. It's basically the non-political version of calling someone an "ist".

I object to the idea of a paid service to give list advice because people WON'T learn to play well. They'll learn to use crutch units to point and click their way to wins then come on here and whine when their crutches are kicked out from under them. I take lists that would be considered awful by Dakka's standards but I win a majority of my games because I know how to play.

Playing crutch army lists is gittin gud though, at the very least it will help you win against casual lists which is for most people running LVO clone lists the point.

They wiill run iinto trouble at actual large scale tournaments but in their small ponds they will get to club baby seals with impunity.

They are just paying for it iinstead of having to go google up the list themselves.

 auticus wrote:
Playing crutch army lists is gittin gud though, at the very least it will help you win against casual lists which is for most people running LVO clone lists the point.

No, playing crutch lists is not getting good by definition and I'm glad you admit that this is a paid service to become TFG.

Why would you pay for something that takes 10 min to Google, or better yet reading the codex

 Sim-Life wrote:

 auticus wrote:
Playing crutch army lists is gittin gud though, at the very least it will help you win against casual lists which is for most people running LVO clone lists the point.

No, playing crutch lists is not getting good by definition and I'm glad you admit that this is a paid service to become TFG.

The lists do not play themselves. You still need some level of skill.

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Why would you pay for something that takes 10 min to Google, or better yet reading the codex

If you're paying up to £100 for someone to make you a list I don't think you want to read the codex.

 Sim-Life wrote:

 Corrode wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

 KillswitchUK wrote:
No need to be toxic guys. Just trying to help the community that's all.

I would argue that your "help" results in a far more negative environment for 40k players. I honestly wouldn't have minded but then you went and accused me of being "toxic" which is like the distillation of pure passive aggressiveness and a vauge accusation with no meaning.

Would anyone call Dakka a bastion of goodwill and positivity in the game? No, its a hole filled with people bitching about everything under the sun and focussing on the competitive aspects of a game not designed to be played at tournament level. The focus on only taking what is competitive leads to a lack of variety in lists

But go on. "Help" the community by instructing new players to buy up destroyers and basilisks and then charging for it.

You're very upset about people playing a wargame well. Dakka's combination obsession with top tier tournament play and complete lack of understanding of it isn't reflective of the rest of the world, which mostly doesn't care about any of it.

If people want to waste their money paying Alex for list advice when they can just go and look at his actual lists fairly easily then that's on them, but maybe taking it as a personal insult isn't your best angle.

He accused me of being toxic, which is a way of trying to shut down opposing view points when someone doesn't actually have an argument. It's basically the non-political version of calling someone an "ist".

I object to the idea of a paid service to give list advice because people WON'T learn to play well. They'll learn to use crutch units to point and click their way to wins then come on here and whine when their crutches are kicked out from under them. I take lists that would be considered awful by Dakka's standards but I win a majority of my games because I know how to play.

You were acting the prick, got called on it, and continued to do so. Using good units isn't a "crutch" and there's nothing particularly better about winning with units X and Y instead of A and B. You're creating problems in your own head that don't exist, then getting angry at everyone else for not conforming to your imagined rules of the game. That's pretty toxic imo.

In a casual environment, the lists do often play themselves if you are taking tournament lists though.

Casual player with tournament list will in my experience have a significant edge against casual player with casual list.

That player will have a problem against good player with good list but anything less than that and they will be playing the game on easy mode.

Poor player with tourney list vs good player with poor list is a good game, though rare to witness.

 Corrode wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

 Corrode wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

 KillswitchUK wrote:
No need to be toxic guys. Just trying to help the community that's all.

I would argue that your "help" results in a far more negative environment for 40k players. I honestly wouldn't have minded but then you went and accused me of being "toxic" which is like the distillation of pure passive aggressiveness and a vauge accusation with no meaning.

Would anyone call Dakka a bastion of goodwill and positivity in the game? No, its a hole filled with people bitching about everything under the sun and focussing on the competitive aspects of a game not designed to be played at tournament level. The focus on only taking what is competitive leads to a lack of variety in lists

But go on. "Help" the community by instructing new players to buy up destroyers and basilisks and then charging for it.

You're very upset about people playing a wargame well. Dakka's combination obsession with top tier tournament play and complete lack of understanding of it isn't reflective of the rest of the world, which mostly doesn't care about any of it.

If people want to waste their money paying Alex for list advice when they can just go and look at his actual lists fairly easily then that's on them, but maybe taking it as a personal insult isn't your best angle.

He accused me of being toxic, which is a way of trying to shut down opposing view points when someone doesn't actually have an argument. It's basically the non-political version of calling someone an "ist".

I object to the idea of a paid service to give list advice because people WON'T learn to play well. They'll learn to use crutch units to point and click their way to wins then come on here and whine when their crutches are kicked out from under them. I take lists that would be considered awful by Dakka's standards but I win a majority of my games because I know how to play.

You were acting the prick, got called on it, and continued to do so. Using good units isn't a "crutch" and there's nothing particularly better about winning with units X and Y instead of A and B. You're creating problems in your own head that don't exist, then getting angry at everyone else for not conforming to your imagined rules of the game. That's pretty toxic imo.

The guy calling me a prick is accusing me of being toxic. Good stuff.

You seem to be misunderstanding my issue. My issue isn't that using good units is bad. Its that RELYING on good units is bad which is what "list advice" usually boils down to. If you teach someone to take 2 units of 6 necron destroyers, all Immortals in troops and either tomb blades or wraiths depending on preferences because thats what makes a good necron list, then what happens when CA 2018 or the September FAQ rolls around and over-nerfs destroyers and buffs lychguard? Suddenly your advice is worthless and the player doesn't know how to appropriately use lychguard in terms of how to deploy them or what units they should be targetting. If you'd just left them to explore the units in their codex by themselves they wouldn't be having a problem and likely be at am advantage because they learned how to actually use their army.

 Sim-Life wrote:


The guy calling me a prick is accusing me of being toxic. Good stuff.

You seem to be misunderstanding my issue. My issue isn't that using good units is bad. Its that RELYING on good units is bad which is what "list advice" usually boils down to. If you teach someone to take 2 units of 6 necron destroyers, all Immortals in troops and either tomb blades or wraiths depending on preferences because thats what makes a good necron list, then what happens when CA 2018 or the September FAQ rolls around and over-nerfs destroyers and buffs lychguard? Suddenly your advice is worthless and the player doesn't know how to appropriately use lychguard in terms of how to deploy them or what units they should be targetting. If you'd just left them to explore the units in their codex by themselves they wouldn't be having a problem and likely be at am advantage because they learned how to actually use their army.

I dunno, man. This is a pretty poor statement:

But go on. "Help" the community by instructing new players to buy up destroyers and basilisks and then charging for it.

You have a bone to pick with competitive players and you're not really offering anything useful to the thread.

This thread seems to have run its course

You can't really knock him for providing a service.

 Sim-Life wrote:

 Corrode wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

 Corrode wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

 KillswitchUK wrote:
No need to be toxic guys. Just trying to help the community that's all.

I would argue that your "help" results in a far more negative environment for 40k players. I honestly wouldn't have minded but then you went and accused me of being "toxic" which is like the distillation of pure passive aggressiveness and a vauge accusation with no meaning.

Would anyone call Dakka a bastion of goodwill and positivity in the game? No, its a hole filled with people bitching about everything under the sun and focussing on the competitive aspects of a game not designed to be played at tournament level. The focus on only taking what is competitive leads to a lack of variety in lists

But go on. "Help" the community by instructing new players to buy up destroyers and basilisks and then charging for it.

You're very upset about people playing a wargame well. Dakka's combination obsession with top tier tournament play and complete lack of understanding of it isn't reflective of the rest of the world, which mostly doesn't care about any of it.

If people want to waste their money paying Alex for list advice when they can just go and look at his actual lists fairly easily then that's on them, but maybe taking it as a personal insult isn't your best angle.

He accused me of being toxic, which is a way of trying to shut down opposing view points when someone doesn't actually have an argument. It's basically the non-political version of calling someone an "ist".

I object to the idea of a paid service to give list advice because people WON'T learn to play well. They'll learn to use crutch units to point and click their way to wins then come on here and whine when their crutches are kicked out from under them. I take lists that would be considered awful by Dakka's standards but I win a majority of my games because I know how to play.

You were acting the prick, got called on it, and continued to do so. Using good units isn't a "crutch" and there's nothing particularly better about winning with units X and Y instead of A and B. You're creating problems in your own head that don't exist, then getting angry at everyone else for not conforming to your imagined rules of the game. That's pretty toxic imo.

The guy calling me a prick is accusing me of being toxic. Good stuff.

You seem to be misunderstanding my issue. My issue isn't that using good units is bad. Its that RELYING on good units is bad which is what "list advice" usually boils down to. If you teach someone to take 2 units of 6 necron destroyers, all Immortals in troops and either tomb blades or wraiths depending on preferences because thats what makes a good necron list, then what happens when CA 2018 or the September FAQ rolls around and over-nerfs destroyers and buffs lychguard? Suddenly your advice is worthless and the player doesn't know how to appropriately use lychguard in terms of how to deploy them or what units they should be targetting. If you'd just left them to explore the units in their codex by themselves they wouldn't be having a problem and likely be at am advantage because they learned how to actually use their army.

 Primark G wrote:
You can't really knock him for providing a service.

I can provide a service that crushes puppies with bricks. Doesn't mean you can't tell me it's awful service and that you think it's stupid.

What if the customer wants to mod a casual list though?

Sim-Life why don't you go post on some other threads. "Toxic" was pretty tame considering your immediate attempt to score points.

These guys aren't the first to offer list building services and they won't be the last.

Guess what... some people even pay others to build and paint their models! OMG!!!

 Silentz wrote:
Sim-Life why don't you go post on some other threads. "Toxic" was pretty tame considering your immediate attempt to score points.

These guys aren't the first to offer list building services and they won't be the last.

Guess what... some people even pay others to build and paint their models! OMG!!!

I would but I don't just reply to a thread unless I want to offer my opinion. I made a sarky comment that sums up my main issue with this kind of approach to the game, I'm not sure what you mean by "score points". I honestly wouldn't have taken issue unless I hadn't been accused of being "toxic" for offering a differing opinion. I'm allowed to do that because we don't live on Soviet Russia.

Equating comission painting to list building services is a false equivalence. You can't get people online to paint your models for free, your paint job doesn't effect the level of conversation online and having a good paint job on your models doesn't effect your ability to use them.

Also it's a free forum. I can post in whatever threads I want.

Dude stop being so uncool please.

 Primark G wrote:
Dude stop being so uncool please.

But I don't know how to be cool.

 KillswitchUK wrote:
No need to be toxic guys. Just trying to help the community that's all.

Don't you mean, "Just trying to make money?"

 Sim-Life wrote:

 Primark G wrote:
You can't really knock him for providing a service.

I can provide a service that crushes puppies with bricks. Doesn't mean you can't tell me it's awful service and that you think it's stupid.

TIL, making warhammer lists is like killing puppies.

And folks wonder why Dakka is becoming the laughing stock of the community...

 KillswitchUK wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

But go on. "Help" the community by instructing new players to buy up destroyers and basilisks and then charging for it.

And there is your problem...
Happy to help you figure out what is actually good though

Bit of a "catch 22" for what is offered.
The list building will get "fluff play" folks knickers in a knot and those who like their competitive gaming tend to like to figure out their own lists.
That leaves those who like to "auto-win" who will complain bitterly if they lose using your ace lists.
The two more expensive options do give more of a service than a list which is nice to see.
You guys have bigger stones than I ever will... I salute you.

For more competitive stuff and analysis I would suggest:
http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/introducingthe-scrub
and
http://www.sirlin.net/articles/game-balance-and-yomi This is good for unit / army capability assessment.

Maybe have someone do a hammer logo for you?
The Thor hammer is rather distracting from your "brand".
Something like this?

Well, not "epic" enough but you got the idea.
Unless you want this:


I know it sounds a bit corny but do you have some kind of mission statement?
What are you all about? What do you want to do for the hobby or customers?
Why should the local guys look you up or folks like me over the pond?

The shop is organized well enough.
BTW, when I "sort by rating" how are the product rated or get a rating?

You may want to have the ETC link below your logo go to the same link as the one on the right margin.

Clean, bordering on spartan looking, you may want to group / frame the text with the videos on the main page... that much unbroken white is... odd.

Any means of implementing a search function for the site? <edit> I am an idiot... it is to the right bar. OK... make it more obvious for "challenged" people like me. <edit, edit> Sorry, it only searches "products"... I type in "FAQ" got nothing. Are the articles important as well?

You might want to add the author of the articles name at the beginning or end of the document.
http://www.glasshammergaming.co.uk/2018/04/23/how-to-get-good-at-playing-warhammer-40k/

The enthusiasm is good, a few touches here and there and it could develop along nicely.

Take a look at these guys for some ideas, they are literally up the road from me and have been around for quite some time:
https://www.miniwargaming.com

Best info I can give you with what I have seen.

MWG that was a good one! They get the rules wrong in every VBR.

 Sim-Life wrote:

 Primark G wrote:
You can't really knock him for providing a service.

I can provide a service that crushes puppies with bricks. Doesn't mean you can't tell me it's awful service and that you think it's stupid.

I think that was Primark's way of saying the service has "it's place".
Crushing puppies with bricks breaks a few laws so is a rather false equivalent.
Did you even look?
They offer one tier to talk on Skype about applications of the list.
The 3rd tier sends a bat-rep video and goes through scenarios of use.

Yep, just love to hear an opinion being spouted off.
Especially ones with no real meat to them... "sound and fury signifying nothing".

I am not exactly over the moon with what I see there, but it really is a good start.

I like the site, and I could see a few semi-serious players throwing in on the list-writing to see if they can up their game, or just out of curiosity.

Thanks for braving the troll bridges of dakkaland to post!

 Primark G wrote:
MWG that was a good one! They get the rules wrong in every VBR.

You must mean Dave.
Every company has one of his type.
Sure, feel free to point out something better, something to aspire to.
Maybe "Beasts of War" perhaps?

Quite an impressive site, it will be interesting to see how the article content grows particularly with the competition from the GW community pages.

Are you sticking with 40k only?

P&P rates in the store are a little high in comparison with other sites, as is the order value for free postage. But you need to get up and running. What you could consider is linking articles to offers and try to move some bulk figures. Most shops don't have the blogs so you have an advantage if you get the audience.

For example i have a rogue trader force, it is not strictly speaking legal at the moment, and I have never seen one discussed tactically or built. If I saw such an article six months ago and it linked me to figures it would have been credit card out time.

Will keep an eye on the site. Don't let it become too cluttered, one of the previous comments suggested you look at minimarket. There was far too much there to find anything.

 Talizvar wrote:

 Primark G wrote:
MWG that was a good one! They get the rules wrong in every VBR.

You must mean Dave.
Every company has one of his type.

Pretty much everyone except for possibly Steve - that is Quirk, Josh, Matthew and the new guy.

Thanks for all the honest feedback guys.

We launched the website and there is some things we need to polish up. We arnt website developers and did this all on our own backs so lots to learn and will take all the feedback on board.

To answer some questions:
The content we are providing is free. Posts depicting certain information, tactics, tournament coverage, videos etc....all free. It takes time...hours...days to do all of that.

Something we are offering as a "Service" is the list design. Now sure you can Google a list, you may even copy one of my lists, but that list would have already been out dated, nerfed or perhaps out of the meta. The idea is to provide something which is current with the meta (which is here in Europe are far ahead compared to the US). It's also something which we provide to those who want to buy a new army and rather than spending hours searching up a list (dakka isn't the place for a list which has the capability of winning or even doing well at a tournament t) then that's something we do.

Painting, list building, it's all part of it and for a small few it saves you a lot of time.

We also stream live events and games giving feedback on our twitch. We are all tournament winners and want to help players of all levels up their game and just watch some cool content.

Please bare in mind this isn't our job, it's just a community site which will hopefully become Europe's version of FLG. We want to build the ETC image, tell people what it's about and get some guest articles up and people's tournament experiences.

We will be covering other games, one such is star wars legion which we are running one of the first major events working with FFG in the UK which sold out in 2 days. We have lots of plans so like I said any feedback, positive or negative is greatly appreciated so we can make this work for everyone.

Thanks,
Alex

I hope you’re successful tbh.

Honestly my favourite part of it so far is the article talking about getting your arse kicked by Josh's battlewagon Orks, because the exact same thing happened to me at my first tournament

 Corrode wrote:
Honestly my favourite part of it so far is the article talking about getting your arse kicked by Josh's battlewagon Orks, because the exact same thing happened to me at my first tournament

Haha classic! I recall seeing that filth and calming a sigh of relief when I could take 3 jaws of the world wolf's haha

Our friends and regular blog posters over at D6 Evolution have released a new series of "Meta Busters". Go check out their latest video on how you can successfully defeat Custodes Jet Bike Armies.

https://www.glasshammergaming.co.uk/2018/05/04/meta-buster-killing-custodes-jet-bike-armies/

Or some of us can offer list constructing advice here. For free.

I can mostly see this as taking advantage of a poor kid that doesn't know any better by saying you're pros and that kinda crap, so your idea of payment is bad and you should feel bad.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Or some of us can offer list constructing advice here. For free.

I can mostly see this as taking advantage of a poor kid that doesn't know any better by saying you're pros and that kinda crap, so your idea of payment is bad and you should feel bad.

If people want free list advice they get what they get which is free non useful advice. Or you pay an exceptionally small fee to gain insight from players whom have won tournaments from across the world. People pay money to paint and build models when they can get free advice to do it themselves in the painting forum. If you're going to spend...say..£300 on a 2k army which might provide some good games localy then fine. But if you'd like to compete or perhaps enter a tourney then you may want to get some sound advice from those that actually do well. That's what we are effectively offering. If you don't like that, don't use it and continue to use suboptimal lists which are found on this forum.

We arnt forcing it on you. If you don't want to use it then move on. We have already had am exceptionaly large amount of emails, so there are plenty of those happy to pay a small fee to get some advice from those of us who have had success.

Thanks for the feedback.

 KillswitchUK wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Or some of us can offer list constructing advice here. For free.

I can mostly see this as taking advantage of a poor kid that doesn't know any better by saying you're pros and that kinda crap, so your idea of payment is bad and you should feel bad.

If people want free list advice they get what they get which is free non useful advice. Or you pay an exceptionally small fee to gain insight from players whom have won tournaments from across the world. People pay money to paint and build models when they can get free advice to do it themselves in the painting forum. If you're going to spend...say..£300 on a 2k army which might provide some good games localy then fine. But if you'd like to compete or perhaps enter a tourney then you may want to get some sound advice from those that actually do well. That's what we are effectively are offering. If you don't like that, don't use it and continue to use suboptimal lists which are found on this forum.

We arnt forcing it on you. If you don't want to use it then move on. We have already had am exceptionaly large amount of emails, so there are plenty of those happy to pay a small fee to get some advice from those of us who have had success.

Thanks for the feedback.

IOW, you downplay advice here and other forums (where tournament players CAN and DO post, mind you), so that the poor kid is tricked into thinking the only way they can build a winning army is by paying you guys.

Post any army list on Dakka's Army List forum and you'll get dozens of "suggestions" about how you should be playing this unit and that unit to be competitive. As far as I can tell your site does the same thing except with a batrep and a price.

Pretty good site. ETC faq has been hiding under the rock if one didn't know exactly where to look. Having it up there is really great.

I wish your site success and will look forward to more articles. Also don't let the salty crackers on dakka keep you down.

 Fueli wrote:
Pretty good site. ETC faq has been hiding under the rock if one didn't know exactly where to look. Having it up there is really great.

I wish your site success and will look forward to more articles. Also don't let the salty crackers on dakka keep you down.

Thank you. Agreed, there wasn't a central place for the rules pack but the site will have the most updated pack on it for everyone to use and check up on

As for the others, it's a shame but there will always be those that wish to express unnecessary slander when it does not effect them in any way.

As stated before, the advice on dakka is there, we have not taken that away. All we have offered is advice from players who actually win large tournaments and don't post their list ideas online.

 KillswitchUK wrote:

 Fueli wrote:
Pretty good site. ETC faq has been hiding under the rock if one didn't know exactly where to look. Having it up there is really great.

I wish your site success and will look forward to more articles. Also don't let the salty crackers on dakka keep you down.

Thank you. Agreed, there wasn't a central place for the rules pack but the site will have the most updated pack on it for everyone to use and check up on

As for the others, it's a shame but there will always be those that wish to express unnecessary slander when it does not effect them in any way.

As stated before, the advice on dakka is there, we have not taken that away. All we have offered is advice from players who actually win large tournaments and don't post their list ideas online.

Well human trafficking doesn't affect me directly either but I'm against it. The homeless problem in the SF bay area doesn't directly affect me but I still volunteer.

I'm giving extreme examples, sure. However, the point is that something doesn't have to affect me to bother me. All you're doing is taking advantage of some poor kids that don't know better. Why would I allow that to happen?

If you can't bother to take criticism on your frickin promotion, that's on you. You made this public, so expect me to slander rip-offs in public.

That was like.....the most rediculous example ever ...

Im taking you're critisism...and it's making me face palm. There are no poor kids, just adults who like some advice to better their game. In fact I need to stop biting...feeding a troll helps nobody. Thanks and good night.

Yeah don’t feed him that’s what he wants... I enjoyed the article about dealing with Custodes.

 Primark G wrote:
Yeah don’t feed him that’s what he wants... I enjoyed the article about dealing with Custodes.

Thanks mate. We are just working on our own videos at the moment. Problem is everyone's enjoying the sun over bank holiday weekend haha.

For the people giving them crap, Nick Nanavanti is doing the same thing and even charges just under $500 for like 1 month to "coach" you at playing 40k. But I don't see anyone giving him gak for it, and that just stinks of unbelievable arrogance. 40k isn't a sport, and you people who are trying to make it into some kind of e-sport are IMHO the problem.

New post on my new Tau list for the upcoming LGT:

https://www.glasshammergaming.co.uk/2018/05/06/list-analysis-alex-harrisons-lgt-tau-army/

Wayniac wrote:
For the people giving them crap, Nick Nanavanti is doing the same thing and even charges just under $500 for like 1 month to "coach" you at playing 40k. But I don't see anyone giving him gak for it, and that just stinks of unbelievable arrogance. 40k isn't a sport, and you people who are trying to make it into some kind of e-sport are IMHO the problem.

Nick Nanavanti didn't advertise his services on a public forum. I've never even heard of him. When you post on an open, public forum you're opening yourself to criticism and the opinions of others. That's how public discourse works. If he wants to post a link to his services on Dakka I'll merrily tell him why it's dumb.

I'm not even sure who the second half of your post is directed at.

 KillswitchUK wrote:
That was like.....the most rediculous example ever ...

Im taking you're critisism...and it's making me face palm. There are no poor kids, just adults who like some advice to better their game. In fact I need to stop biting...feeding a troll helps nobody. Thanks and good night.

Most adults are capable of being able to get said information together, so unless it's some rich dude who has a bunch of money to throw around, your main target is kids who don't know better.

Then you go and post in the Tactica subforum with actual spam. You're not posting tactics or anything to at least entice people to click on a link. You're so lazy you post legit spam. Here, lemme show you:
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/755915.page

Do you think you should get an ounce of respect? Absolutely not. I'm not a "troll" because I'm directly pointing out what you're doing.


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 Sim-Life wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
For the people giving them crap, Nick Nanavanti is doing the same thing and even charges just under $500 for like 1 month to "coach" you at playing 40k. But I don't see anyone giving him gak for it, and that just stinks of unbelievable arrogance. 40k isn't a sport, and you people who are trying to make it into some kind of e-sport are IMHO the problem.

Nick Nanavanti didn't advertise his services on a public forum. I've never even heard of him. When you post on an open, public forum you're opening yourself to criticism and the opinions of others. That's how public discourse works. If he wants to post a link to his services on Dakka I'll merrily tell him why it's dumb.

I'm not even sure who the second half of your post is directed at.

And if I knew he were doing that I'd give him the same Black Bart speech.

Posted a link to my tactical analysis of the list im taking to LGT. Have a read, might gain some solid insight.

Thanks for the feedback sir.

 KillswitchUK wrote:
Posted a link to my tactical analysis of the list im taking to LGT. Have a read, might gain some solid insight.

Thanks for the feedback sir.

No, you posted spam. You post a link to your website with no information and then casually make mention you sell stuff.

It is spam and I reported it as such just earlier.

I guess you have nothing better to do. Fair enough.

 KillswitchUK wrote:
I guess you have nothing better to do. Fair enough.

Are you ever going to provide any arguments as to why your list writing service is worth paying for or justify its existence at all or just make passive aggressive remarks and hope no one notices that you're taking advantage of people and ruining the community?

If you read the post in the website, all the information you require is on there.
Thank you.

 KillswitchUK wrote:
I guess you have nothing better to do. Fair enough.

Then defend the post as not spam. I insist. What makes that link not spam?

Sim-Life wrote:Are you ever going to provide any arguments as to why your list writing service is worth paying for or justify its existence at all or just make passive aggressive remarks and hope no one notices that you're taking advantage of people and ruining the community?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:Then defend the post as not spam. I insist. What makes that link not spam?

It's genuinely amazing how pathetic you both are. Nobody has to prove anything to you personally, nor is the existence of this thing "ruining the community."

stroller wrote:
List writing for money? And here was me thinking the world couldn't get any madder....

You read my thoughts, dude. It´s a shame that nowadays people are too lazy to write their own list. But even paying money for this? That´s just a bad joke.

"Ruining the community" may be a bit extreme, but it's still zero-content spam that adds nothing to the community. And when the proportion of drive-by spammers trying to farm clicks for their sites instead of participating in legitimate discussion gets too high the quality of the community definitely suffers.

(And yes, it is zero-content spam. The post in question is literally nothing but a link to the OP's site saying "bring me your clicks", no attempt whatsoever at discussion on dakka was made.)

 Corrode wrote:

Sim-Life wrote:Are you ever going to provide any arguments as to why your list writing service is worth paying for or justify its existence at all or just make passive aggressive remarks and hope no one notices that you're taking advantage of people and ruining the community?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:Then defend the post as not spam. I insist. What makes that link not spam?

It's genuinely amazing how pathetic you both are. Nobody has to prove anything to you personally, nor is the existence of this thing "ruining the community."

You ever watch one of those TV programmes where people bring a business idea to some investors and the investors ask why they should invest their money in something? You think they're just asking why the product is worth their money out of interest?

If you guys can't be bothered defending your product what message does that send out to people? I think you KNOW that what you're doing is frowned upon by the community. You even basically admit it on your own website when you promise to keep it a secret that you've written a list for someone, but you don't care as long as you can take advantage of someone and regurgitate to them the work that the community has already done for you.

You realise I have nothing to do with Glasshammer right?

Just ignore them mate. No point fueling the fire. No pleasing everyone on this forum

There's been entirely too many attacks and too much vitriol in this thread.

I'm handing out warnings individually. You're fine to disagree with what Glasshammer is offering, but repeated attacks and blatant hyperbole are clear violations of Rule #1.

I also have no idea why anyone thinks that this service is evil or deceptive. They're up front about who they are and what they offer; assuming that they are deceptive is short-shrifting the intelligence of anyone who doesn't get what they expect.

Thank you Lorek. Hopefully we can keep this on topic. We are working on battle report and tactics videos. Hope to get them out soon

 Lorek wrote:
There's been entirely too many attacks and too much vitriol in this thread.

I'm handing out warnings individually. You're fine to disagree with what Glasshammer is offering, but repeated attacks and blatant hyperbole are clear violations of Rule #1.

I also have no idea why anyone thinks that this service is evil or deceptive. They're up front about who they are and what they offer; assuming that they are deceptive is short-shrifting the intelligence of anyone who doesn't get what they expect.

They are spamming. End of discussion.

 Lorek wrote:

I also have no idea why anyone thinks that this service is evil or deceptive. They're up front about who they are and what they offer; assuming that they are deceptive is short-shrifting the intelligence of anyone who doesn't get what they expect.

It's deceptive because the information they could offer is freely available online. Likewise I'm VERY dubious about their £100 streamed game thing in that it could be very easily set it up to make it appear that an army list they've written is stronger than it is.


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 Corrode wrote:
You realise I have nothing to do with Glasshammer right?

You often insult people for criticising businesses you have nothing to do with?

Good lists are freely available online but they are buried under many more terrible lists. The same is true of last building advice.

Where is the deception?

 Peregrine wrote:
"Ruining the community" may be a bit extreme, but it's still zero-content spam that adds nothing to the community. And when the proportion of drive-by spammers trying to farm clicks for their sites instead of participating in legitimate discussion gets too high the quality of the community definitely suffers.

(And yes, it is zero-content spam. The post in question is literally nothing but a link to the OP's site saying "bring me your clicks", no attempt whatsoever at discussion on dakka was made.)

But they do offer content regularly, no?

 Sim-Life wrote:

 Lorek wrote:

I also have no idea why anyone thinks that this service is evil or deceptive. They're up front about who they are and what they offer; assuming that they are deceptive is short-shrifting the intelligence of anyone who doesn't get what they expect.

It's deceptive because the information they could offer is freely available online. Likewise I'm VERY dubious about their £100 streamed game thing in that it could be very easily set it up to make it appear that an army list they've written is stronger than it is.


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 Corrode wrote:
You realise I have nothing to do with Glasshammer right?

You often insult people for criticising businesses you have nothing to do with?

I just enjoy tilting at the idiot windmill, and you are today's idiot.

The site articles are going up nicely.
Regarding the last article; I should be playing some Tau soon.
I don't know Tau very well, can some one fill me in about the 2+ to hit and rerolling 1s

Looking forward to the tournament write up.

 Jasper wrote:
The site articles are going up nicely.
Regarding the last article; I should be playing some Tau soon.
I don't know Tau very well, can some one fill me in about the 2+ to hit and rerolling 1s

Looking forward to the tournament write up.

Hi Jasper, glad to hear youre picking up Tau. They are a fairly strong gunline type army which is a fairly easy army to pick up once you know the correct combos.

Markerlights are key in every Tau army. I suggest taking a few characters with Markers to allow you some reliable tokens to dish out and then some pathfinders for the alpha strike.

Hammerheads hit on 2's with Longstrike nearby. Also units like Riptides can hit a unit with the Fly keyword on 2's with 5 marker hits and the Velocity tracker, so its all about combo's like I said.

Hope that helps and we will be writing up the reports, and covering the tournament soon. You can check out progress on our Facebook page aswell.

Nice effort, always nice to see sites with competitive content, not enough of that around for sure. Maybe we'll even meet at ETC, would be interesting

Just don't encourage the offenders and put them on the ignore list, no need to derail an interesting thread with personal attacks.

This thread should be a bit quieter for a while.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
But they do offer content regularly, no?

Content on their site? Maybe. Content on dakka? Not really. Their recent activity seems pretty focused on treating dakka as a source of clicks to farm and customers to recruit rather than a community that they genuinely want to participate in. That's why, instead of posting their content here for people to read and discuss on dakka, they made "come look at our site" posts with zero content posted here.


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 Lorek wrote:
I also have no idea why anyone thinks that this service is evil or deceptive. They're up front about who they are and what they offer; assuming that they are deceptive is short-shrifting the intelligence of anyone who doesn't get what they expect.

They may be accurate and honest in describing the service itself, but it feels kind of deceptive because the most likely customer is newbies who don't yet understand how easy it is to find lists on the internet and how many people will eagerly provide list building advice for free. They seem to be counting on the newbie thinking the service is much more valuable and common than it really is and getting their money before they find, say, dakka's army lists section. And it doesn't help that they're charging money for something that takes very little effort, with no guarantee provided that the list is actually the best possible one for the newbie's goal.

IMO it's kind of like certain newbie-targeting commission painting services (I think we all know one in particular) we've seen: they might technically provide an accurate description of what you receive for your purchase, but they're counting on their customers being too uninformed to realize that they're massively overpaying for a level of paint quality that is bare minimum tabletop level at best. OP may not have the same issues with scamming and refusing to provide a finished product as a certain furniture-themed painting service, but their business concept feels kind of similarly questionable.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 KillswitchUK wrote:
Posted a link to my tactical analysis of the list im taking to LGT. Have a read, might gain some solid insight.

Thanks for the feedback sir.

No, you posted spam. You post a link to your website with no information and then casually make mention you sell stuff.

It is spam and I reported it as such just earlier.

So if you think it's against forum rules leave moderators to it rather than attacking. So far however moderators have kept their threads open apart from one duplicate. So seems it's not against forum rules at which point you need to stop complaining. If it's against forum rules mods will deal with it. If not they have right to post it. Simple as that. You don't like it, fine. There's this button called "ignore" you can use to get rid of posts by them.


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 Peregrine wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
But they do offer content regularly, no?

Content on their site? Maybe. Content on dakka? Not really. Their recent activity seems pretty focused on treating dakka as a source of clicks to farm and customers to recruit rather than a community that they genuinely want to participate in. That's why, instead of posting their content here for people to read and discuss on dakka, they made "come look at our site" posts with zero content posted here.

Sooooo...I'm sure you can provide Dakka rule # that says it's not allowed and if not provide explanation why mods haven't deleted that despite them clearly knowing about the threads.

If it's within dakka rules they can do it. you are free to ignore it. That's your right. Doesn't mean they can't post it. Readers will vote with their feet.

tneva82 wrote:
Sooooo...I'm sure you can provide Dakka rule # that says it's not allowed and if not provide explanation why mods haven't deleted that despite them clearly knowing about the threads.

I never said it was against the rules. It may not be ban-worthy at the moment, but that doesn't make it constructive or useful posting.

If it's within dakka rules they can do it. you are free to ignore it. That's your right. Doesn't mean they can't post it. Readers will vote with their feet.

I am also free to criticize it, which I have done.

Eh. You can go to the shops or get someone to deliver your groceries for a fee. You can buy pre-grated cheese for a little extra.

Charging for stuff that’s free elsewhere isn’t inherently evil. For some people it’s a useful and appropriate service. If it’s not for you just move along.

Anyways, we will be announcing our next tourney hopefully today. An 80 man player event with huge prize support. Hope to see some players from dakka and Europe attend.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Charging for stuff that’s free elsewhere isn’t inherently evil.

Charging money for something that is free elsewhere isn't inherently evil. The issue is that most of their customers are going to be clueless newbies who don't yet realize how easy it is to get the service for free, or have any way of evaluating how qualified the seller is to provide it. It's clearly not going to rank very high on the scale of corporate evil, but let's not pretend that the OP isn't preying on newbies and dumping a bunch of advertising spam on the forum in the process.

Good luck getting 1 on 1 talk for free about how to use the army though.

And if you look at the netlists you will see basically same variations everywhere. What about list that's made with competive mind with specific build?

They are in for a business. Bohoo. If there's demand for it there's supply. If there's no demand supply goes. As long as it's not illegal if there's demand it's fair play. That's how capitalism works. If you want to change that start up a revolution and topple down capitalism.

The issue is that most of their customers are going to be clueless newbies who don't yet realize how easy it is to get the service for free

If you ask for advice on Dakka, 3 people will give you 3 casual opinions and 5 people will tell you to play Eldar or AM instead of your army. No, it's almost impossible to get this service for free, especially if you're new and can't judge what is good advice and what is bollocks.
Also, getting advice from a good tournament player goes beyond pure listbuilding, there's a lot of other things a newbie probably never thought about that are very important.

 Peregrine wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Charging for stuff that’s free elsewhere isn’t inherently evil.

Charging money for something that is free elsewhere isn't inherently evil. The issue is that most of their customers are going to be clueless newbies who don't yet realize how easy it is to get the service for free, or have any way of evaluating how qualified the seller is to provide it. It's clearly not going to rank very high on the scale of corporate evil, but let's not pretend that the OP isn't preying on newbies and dumping a bunch of advertising spam on the forum in the process.

How are clueless newbies going to evaluate the qualifications of people offering free advice online? Frankly, most of them aren't qualified in the slightest.

I suspect that their customers are mostly going to be semi-experienced players preparing for their first major tournament who have realized that the overwhelming majority of online list building advice is garbage.

Ushtarador wrote:
, there's a lot of other things a newbie probably never thought about that are very important.

Yep. Some things are easy to miss out just from reading codex entries. For example yesterday it really dawned on me just how bloody usefull those 5 grot crews on mek kannons can be. Tempted to start putting KMK's close to each other when LOS allows and then start heading away with all but one squad(that can control several KMK's). Those 5 strong grots with no guns are actually surprisingly usefull...Obviously ability to go for objectives is good. Also can be used as small screens/roadblock. And they are surprisingly hard to shoot since they need to be closest model. And that can REALLY put spanner on shooting characters. And clearing grots so that the unit can shoot at character can be tricky as the other unit needs to be closer to grots than some other unit...

I don't even want to guess what some tau or tyranids can do that's not quite as obvious just from reading army list or codex.

Having looked at their site, it does have something to offer, something to add to the stable of sites to visit for a "state of the meta" so is "worth" posting and advertising their existence to an obvious site of potential customers.

As for the list service, some of the arguments have some merit for the first tier list build offer but it IS rather inexpensive.
Time spent on Skype with a customer or creating a video for use is time consuming so has some merit for effort put in, not just some netlist regurgitated out.
How expert the advice is remains to be seen but what articles they have published show many good points so I would not anticipate a problem.
I have seen as chew on the occasional list here, just like on the web, you really have to look at the pedigree of the person giving the advice to figure out if it is worth doing some test trials.


A few of us have been around for a while and tend to get all bent out of shape when we see click-bait no matter how worthy it may be: we feel so used...

I keep thinking the magnifying glass and the hammer be the symbols of the site: they each are "icons" loaded with meaning and the "glass" is a common symbol to search with and the hammer... to crush your opponents or possibly to build... anyway I am getting pedantic.
I keep thinking of "glass cannon" and it't meaning and the obvious Thor hammer look so moving away slightly may be good.

Thanks for the feedback. As for who we are, well we are all big tournament winners. I won the LVO in 2016 for example so our experience is quite big. We aim to bring out plenty of free content and will continue to do so with an added option for people to use the list service if they wish.

I think a bit of credit to Glasshammer tbh.
Myself and Alex have bumped heads a couple of times on here (I'm ITC, hes ETC. Two different factions which tend to duel a bit) my main complaint being ETC seemed a bit secretive, a boys club and the rules were hard to find.
To his credit he responded that they were working to resolve that and they have now put out this site which does indeed lay the ETC out in the open for everybody. Having read through it I actually like a lot of the content they have put out.

More competition in the online market with regards to stores is a good thing, keeps everybody on their toes and offering the best prices with good service. Best of luck with it.

The articles are interesting to me too. They know their stuff and are making a few brave decisions. I certainly wouldn't be explaining how my army list worked two weeks before the largest event in the UK.

Hope to see the site grow and do well.

With regards to the list building service, it'll either work or it won't. Personally its not for me. I like to play an army, get a feel for what works and what doesn't and fine tune based on that. Not really a fan of dropping on the new hotness or picking up a list someone else wrote. But thats my personal preference and I am fortunate enough to be able to play a lot and thus have opportunity to see things for myself and make my own informed decisions.
Theres guys who attend events at my club who play much, much less and they do tend to 'netlist' a bit to get started then tweak. I think for someone like that its a good service.
I strongly disagree that its trying to take advantage of anybody. Ultimately its the customers cash, they earnt it themselves, if they want some guys who know their stuff to help them out then thats their perogative.

Thanks for the feedback Sneggy.
Yes agreed, we have done and I can come accross as arrogant when it comes to comparisons but both ETC and ITC have its merits, the issue is the system wasn't as easily available, which thanks to that discussion, has been rectified.

We are just starting and are juggling our real jobs with this and prepping for tournaments so the content we want to do (More video battle reports and tactics etc) will be coming out slowly but once we have it all setup, it will be a constant thing.

Im not fussed if people know about my army, they still have to beat me haha.

Thanks.

Sneggy wrote:
Theres guys who attend events at my club who play much, much less and they do tend to 'netlist' a bit to get started then tweak. I think for someone like that its a good service.

I get to play once a week generally(and 2h max at that). Maybe another game. Then once every 2-3 months tournament. Certainly would make tinkering and experimenting hard(plus the fact I virtually never play same list or even similar twice in a row if I can avoid it)

Initial impressions:

Looks clean, though it's a little bit bland and devoid of character. Whitespace is good but there's perhaps a little too much of it.

There's a typo or misspelling in the Boomsticks title which doesn't give the best impression of your site. It may seem like a minor thing but you lose credibility quickly with that sort of error

It's not immediately clear what your relationship to the ETC is. There's an ETC section but is that because you're somehow affiliated with them officially or just a helpful set of links?

The image on the Team page is too big, causing screen stretching issues.

A stock indication on the store page would be a good addition. At the moment I have to click on an actual item to see if it's in stock

I don't really understand the attitude people have towards the list writing service. It's not something I'd ever use and I question whether it will ever be successful but that's no reason to equate it with killing puppies for cash.

Good luck with the site.

My main criticism of the site... The way that the bottom and top of your menu items are animated differently, on hover, bugs me, on a level akin to nails on a blackboard.

My Thoughts on paid list building:

1. I don't mind people providing a service and making a buck out of it.
2. I don't know if there is a market for it to be viable.
3. I think it might be a good marketing tool if you had a recording of an example experience, to give clarity to what you provide.
4. The live stream premium service is interesting, in that, I would expect if someone wants to drop serious cash on this, then they might not want their new shiny list leaking all over a public forum effectively making it a netlist before the customer gets chance to buy it.
5. At a purely selfish level, I don't particularly want this venture to take off, as I don't want to go to an event and play 5 people who have all been coached by Alex or Mani (subsequently handing me my ass), and the inevitable reduction in diversity that will come, if these services become more popular. (essentially net listing turned up to 11).

Overall I wish you guys success building a good strong community.

So, I’m a little torn on the list writing side of things – simply because of my own mindset. While it is good to get advice/thoughts from others, it isn’t always possible to convey the exact thoughts and details. As you can see on this site alone, it often leads to “drop this unit because it is bad and add this unit in because it is “OP””, without much consideration beyond people following the crowd.

On the other hand, just looking at a good chunk of the lists submitted for the LGT, you can see that there is potential for a list writing service to do well. The amount of incorrect lists submitted is far in excess of what I’d have personally thought possible beforehand. Maybe I was just, more than a little, naïve, in people’s ability and understanding.

The only thing I would say in regards to the service, and tactical insight is it’s need of a disclaimer. No matter how good the list created for you is, you’re still going to lose games with it. It is simply a fact, that most people seem to ignore. I could build what I considered to be the “best list ever” and tell you how to play it, but in a random format (like ETC with their Maelstrom aspect) things can always turn against you. Lists, random objectives, dice rolls, player ability etc are all things to be aware of.

Slipspace wrote:Initial impressions:

Looks clean, though it's a little bit bland and devoid of character. Whitespace is good but there's perhaps a little too much of it.

There's a typo or misspelling in the Boomsticks title which doesn't give the best impression of your site. It may seem like a minor thing but you lose credibility quickly with that sort of error

It's not immediately clear what your relationship to the ETC is. There's an ETC section but is that because you're somehow affiliated with them officially or just a helpful set of links?

The image on the Team page is too big, causing screen stretching issues.

A stock indication on the store page would be a good addition. At the moment I have to click on an actual item to see if it's in stock

I don't really understand the attitude people have towards the list writing service. It's not something I'd ever use and I question whether it will ever be successful but that's no reason to equate it with killing puppies for cash.

Good luck with the site.

Thanks for the feedback
1) The Glashammer Gaming site is white because that is the colour of the logo. We wanted to keep it clean and simple. Its still in development but we are trying to keep it simple.
2) Ok Ill let him know so he can change it but we have let authors post up their own articles without spellchecking everything. As we have only a few articles, there should at least be someone to check this so I will speak to the team.
3) We are not endorsed by them, however we are becoming the new face of the ETC, just like FLG is the face of the ITC. We have some plans going forwards with the ETC but for now it is the hub of its rules pack and FAQ.
4) Is that on your phone? We aren’t website developers so its all new to us and will take a lot of trial and error. Ill let Dan know so he can take a look but it looks fine on my phone.
5) Fair point. Ill let Dan know and see if he has time to sort that out. Its not a full time job and implementing that option could be a large process.

Thanks

secretForge wrote:My main criticism of the site... The way that the bottom and top of your menu items are animated differently, on hover, bugs me, on a level akin to nails on a blackboard.

My Thoughts on paid list building:

1. I don't mind people providing a service and making a buck out of it.
2. I don't know if there is a market for it to be viable.
3. I think it might be a good marketing tool if you had a recording of an example experience, to give clarity to what you provide.
4. The live stream premium service is interesting, in that, I would expect if someone wants to drop serious cash on this, then they might not want their new shiny list leaking all over a public forum effectively making it a netlist before the customer gets chance to buy it.
5. At a purely selfish level, I don't particularly want this venture to take off, as I don't want to go to an event and play 5 people who have all been coached by Alex or Mani (subsequently handing me my ass), and the inevitable reduction in diversity that will come, if these services become more popular. (essentially net listing turned up to 11).

Overall I wish you guys success building a good strong community.

Thanks for the feedback.

1) Glad to hear a level headed response.
2) We aren’t expecting to make a living off this, just a simple service for people to use.
3) Once we have sufficient time to figure out how to create a well presented video we can do just that.
4) The stream will be private to that person so we will go through the whole game and tactics to go with such army. The lists we create aren’t going to be net lists as we don’t simply write an army already there but something unique or an added twist.
5) Haha, I see where you’re coming from but it’s no different to people finding an (old) list online or discussing it on the forums. Instead you get advice on why we picked those units, how the army works and what makes it work. It’s a bit different, but our aim is so you do player more people who are good with their lists and at the game.

Thank you. First and foremost this is for the community with a small added service to those who wish to utilise it.

Kdash wrote:So, I’m a little torn on the list writing side of things – simply because of my own mindset. While it is good to get advice/thoughts from others, it isn’t always possible to convey the exact thoughts and details. As you can see on this site alone, it often leads to “drop this unit because it is bad and add this unit in because it is “OP””, without much consideration beyond people following the crowd.

On the other hand, just looking at a good chunk of the lists submitted for the LGT, you can see that there is potential for a list writing service to do well. The amount of incorrect lists submitted is far in excess of what I’d have personally thought possible beforehand. Maybe I was just, more than a little, naïve, in people’s ability and understanding.

The only thing I would say in regards to the service, and tactical insight is it’s need of a disclaimer. No matter how good the list created for you is, you’re still going to lose games with it. It is simply a fact, that most people seem to ignore. I could build what I considered to be the “best list ever” and tell you how to play it, but in a random format (like ETC with their Maelstrom aspect) things can always turn against you. Lists, random objectives, dice rolls, player ability etc are all things to be aware of.

1) If someone gets a list there is also a follow up as to why the units are chosen, how the lists interacts on the table top and how it works against the current and potential future meta (ETC teams tend to direct the UK meta). This means that the details are there, but perhaps not the exact thoughts. That comes with the Skype service where you can get exactly what you need from the development of the list.
2) I agree there are many mistakes made and some people don’t even know about the new FAQ points changes. I also see a lot of out-dated lists and lists which perhaps wont work as well as people think in the LGT rulespack. Things like this are taken into consideration upon a list design request.
3) Good point, I will add the disclaimer to the post when I have some time as it is a valid point

Thank you for the feedback.

I wonder about how much detail we can get in the basic list service. For example, if I listed all the models I have, would you create a list out of that selection?

Zustiur wrote:
I wonder about how much detail we can get in the basic list service. For example, if I listed all the models I have, would you create a list out of that selection?

Ill be putting up some feedback from the people I have worked with but the basic service gets you:

A detailed explanation of the list and how it works
Designed around specifications i.e. if you want a specific unit or just revolved around the models you own
Well typed out in a readable format so you can see how many CPs you get from it, what each unit cost is, what detachments were used etc.
What strategems, powers or abilities help the list work
A follow up email if you prefer it to head in a slightly different direction.

Hope that helps.




Automatically Appended Next Post:
New post on blocking:

https://www.glasshammergaming.co.uk/2018/05/09/harrisons-tactics-corner-blocking/

Our next List Analysis series is up on the website, with a guest article. Neil Powell from ETC Team Scotland discusses his Ork army for the upcoming LGT 40k Tournament. Check it out here:

https://www.glasshammergaming.co.uk/2018/05/11/list-analysis-neil-powells-lgt-orks-army/