Hey everyone, you all have asked and we listened! Frankie and I (Reece) are heading to Vegas tonight to try and get more space for the event, which means if it works out, many of you on the wait list for events like the 40k Champs, narrative or Friendly will have a chance to grab space in these awesome events. I just wanted to give you all the heads up so you can be prepared when and if those tickets become available.
When I purchase a ticket will it have info (presumably code or something) for the Ballys room rate? Looking at getting it all locked in nice and early so I can spend 6 months figuring out a madcap way to transport my army.
Ticket putchased! Can’t wait. Also, can’t wait to show the world what I can do when I have more than like three weeks to build a display board and hierodule eating a baneblade.
2,000pts yes, and we will have Chess clocks for sure in the finals and we're going to wait and see ho BAO goes for the rest of it. I am going to say probably on day 2, but not 100% sure, yet.
We bumped up to 3 hour rounds as requested so time will tell but we will let everyone know as soon as possible.
Great scott, lol, just went over 310 on 40k champs registration! We've never sold this quickly, this is crazy!
@Primark G: You got it!
@Hot Sizzle: I don't know, buddy. At the rate we're going a few days? If it slows down a lot, maybe a week or two? Hard to tell but we burned through the first 300 in like 6 hours.
If you want to play in the Champs do not wait to grab tickets! We might actually sell out, today! So crazy.
@Hotsauce
Yeah, buddy, looks like it will sell out fast. I can't believe it, this is crazy!
@Orkswubwub
Yeah, 5 years ago we thought 256 was as big as these would get but now we see think you actually could have a 1,024 event, as awesome and nuts as that would be!
Space is the issue but I am already scouting bigger venues in Vegas so I think we could overcome that hurdle. Terrain would be the other challenge as it has taken us years to get enough quality terrain to cover the tables we have, now. But, again, a problem that can be resolved. The future is bright for organized 40k
I got my ticket in at about the 40 second mark. Gonna be saving up for the trip. Flights to vegas are cheap but still gonna need to eat and have some cash for the wife to play with.
Excited to be part of the largets organized 40k event on the planet finally. Gonna push myself and take custodies soup.
Out of curiosity (not that it matters much, because it's already waitlisted), but does anyone know the full contents of last year's high roller packages?
Really, really bummed I missed out on it this year. I hear nothing but good things about the high roller package, and would really have liked to grab one for myself.
It was pretty bad ass: several boxed games, custom battlefoam bag, GW art print, shirt, pint glass, fast registration line, early reg for the next year, lots of markers and counters, shadespire, etc. It was TONS of stuff.
Yeah, it really is. Very exciting to think about what the future may hold! I mean, it is exciting now, lol, but who knows where this could all be in a few more years?
Well I'm on the wait list. Quite a few friends too. But Im not worried, there's always s drops/no shows. Maybe I'll just volunteer this year like the rest or my group plans too lol.
We're close to working out a deal for some extra square footage for the event, so stay tuned if you're on the wait list as it looks like it will work out!
Hey everyone, you all have asked and we listened! Frankie and I (Reece) are heading to Vegas tonight to try and get more space for the event, which means if it works out, many of you on the wait list for events like the 40k Champs, narrative or Friendly will have a chance to grab space in these awesome events. I just wanted to give you all the heads up so you can be prepared when and if those tickets become available.
Also, we will be at the Gentleman's GT too, so if anyone is there come by and say hi!
Alrighty, so Frankie and I got back from Vegas after scouting out the new space and not only is it good, it's great!
We signed on the dotted line and plan on opening up the new tickets for sale on Monday the 25th at 10:00am PST.
The additional space will be for the 40k Champs, 40k Narrative and 40k Friendly. If you want to participate, please be ready to snag a ticket at 10:00am as we anticipate most if not all of them will sell right away as we have a lot more people on the wait lists than we have room to add.
Thanks! A bit nerve wracking to take on so much more risk but with the number of people on the wait list I think it is a safe bet and now, more people get to play so win/win!
Budzerker wrote: 512 players start. So after round one thats up to 256 wins, after round two thats 128, then 64, 32, 16, 8 after round six.
So... are we doing top 16 now? I actually prefer the top 16 adepticon format. Let some guys with ties not automatically get bumped out.
I believe their intent is to still do a top 8 only, because ties will knock some people out. I don't know exactly how many people they are adding, but I know that last year they had five people go 6-0 with about 448 actually playing out of 512 tickets sold. Since people will always drop out right before the event, if they add 100 spots and have 612 tickets, it would probably be about 560-570 people actually playing. While this could yield 9 undefeated players, with ties its not that likely. Im guessing if they are adding ~100 spots that we will go from five to about seven 6-0 people after two days. This does mean that having a tie is more likely to knock you out, but the odds of you going 6-0 and missing the top 8 are going to be pretty low.
I'm not at all part of the LVO staff though, so Reece would have to confirm his views on the matter, thats just how I read it. Adding a tenth game to the LVO schedule would be super difficult so I doubt they are doing that.
Hey everyone, if you missed out on the Warhammer 40,000 Championships, Friendly or Narrative event for the LVO 2019, then today is your luck day as we’ve added more space!
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And no need to add another round, yet. Jifel explained it well but further, even if all 620 players show up, and somehow no one ties by some miracle, then we'd have 9 undefeated players after round 6 so we'd drop the lowest scoring undefeated player from the top 8. If some how, some way two players have the same BP, we then go to SoS, then sports, then paint for the final tie breaker. But, in 8 years of running events, we've literally never had a full bracket of undefeated players. One LVO, there was only 1 player in the top 8 that was actually undefeated, lol. Ties become more prevalent the further you go as the players get better and better.
Playing with the numbers I do not foresee us needing a 10th round until we hit the 760+ player range.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Wow, 40k Champs already sold out...again. Wow.
Down to the last few for the Narrative, half sold out on the Friendly.
Reece, with adding more players to the 40k Championships, is there consideration to going from a top 8 to a top 16?
If the venue is going to augment the amount of participants, would FLG consider increasing the odds, however marginal, of additional players making the cut?
Increasing the amount of players while not rewarding the field would seem a bit off.
You could also look at it from an analytical standpoint, increasing the field to potentially 620 players from 512 is roughly a 21% increase in player participation.
Whereas going from top 8 to top 16 is only a 1.3% increase.
With 8 months out, I'm sure a potential solution could be made available...
I’m sure the top 16 players would not mind the extra playoff game, especially considering the time, travel, and dollars spent to be in that position.
40k Champs sold out again in 2.5 hours! So nuts, very exciting to see how much people are enjoying 8th ed.
See you there, buddy!
@NotThisTime
Answered the first part of your question already in the thread above, buddy.
However, the thing is to go 10 rounds you'd have to make the top 16 play 4 rounds of 40k in 1 day which to be frank: sucks. We'd have to start round 7 at like, 5:30am on Sunday. Or, you'd have to play round 7 on day 2, meaning they play until likely midnight after we give them time to eat dinner.
It's also not realistic to expect our staff to put in what would end up being like an 18 hour day on the 4 round day with likely only about 6 hours of sleep or less and then after the event help with breakdown...and breakdown is not fun, lol. We'd quickly find ourselves with a dearth of qualified staff members willing to come back and make the event possible year after year.
The benefit to get that potentially 1 extra undefeated player and 7 other, non-undefeated players is negligible in the big picture other than to those players affected (but to be fair to them it is a huge deal which we totally get). But in order to make that happen it means many, many more people who are already busting their butt have to do even more.
Further, with typical attrition it is entirely possible that when dice roll round 1 we will have 512 or less actually there. Last year of the 512 registered we had like 450 show up? The year before we had 398 show up. Between a 10% and 20% attrition ratio. So, the entire discussion may be moot and then you'd have to change plans on the fly, etc.
Long story short, going 10 rounds is unlikely to occur for at least another 2 LVO's. You never know of course, things change and we remain flexible, but in my mind the solution is to let it ride until we come up with a way to comfortably play the number of rounds in the time allotted to be fair to the players and to the staff. We've batted around a lot of ideas including having round 1 be Thursday night, etc. but then that comes with it's own set of challenges. Until then I and the staff are comfortable with the idea of making it work as it stand as the odds are vastly in favor of the outcome being that we still only have 8 or fewer undefeated players for the finals which fulfills our basic premise with the event at this time. I get where you are coming from but we've yet to find an amenable solution given the inflexible limitation of time that we are currently working against.
Ultimately, if you want to make the finals: win all your games! Your fate is in your control
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And I suppose it also bears saying that the expansion was to accommodate more people who wanted to come. That was the underlying motivation. Adding space late in the game (contracts are hammered out years in advance in most cases) is a big financial risk on our part. So just to be clear, we wanted to allow as many people to come as was possible so everyone could have a good time. That I think was where the fundamental disconnect may occur between someone looking at the 40k Champs purely as a competitor vs. where we're coming from as organizers may occur.
And yeah, you are of course correct that growth = more revenue.
But the X factors are the inflated cost of the expansion, the risk that you may not sell enough tickets to break even (although looking at the wait list we felt confident it would work out) and the cost of making all those extra tables! At this point each table for us is expensive. We have a full set of GW or ITC terrain on each one of those which incurs a cost to acquire, build, paint, repair, transport and store.
Thankfully those are largely fixed costs but as we've been growing every year and cycling out terrain we didn't feel was good enough for our current standards, we've never had a chance to actually enjoy the benefit of having that expense covered, lol. Often getting the table set up+the cost of the space+Misc. is significantly more than the revenue generated by the players occupying that space that year. So it is a lot more of a risk than people may think when they simply multiply the ticket price x attendees and then think we're just rolling in dough, or something, lol. We are 100% playing the long game with this. Plus, it may require more staff to accommodate the extra attendees and that of course costs a significant amount of money, too. You often don't realize any actual profit on growth space to cover overall event costs until a year or two later if you are lucky. That's why I say it is a financial risk for us to do it this way.
Anyway, not to dig into the nuts and bolts of it too much, but suffice it to say we will always try to give the attendee the experience they are looking for so long as we are logistically able to do so.
The LVO Mascot: Elvis Berserker has gotten a face-lift! I am confident we can now way we will have the coolest trophy out there! He will replace our older, Golden Elvis Berserker atop the LVO40k Champs plinth and is also going to be painted by multiple Golden Daemon winning painter, Tyson Koch!
I think they have previously said that they email everyone on the wait list at the same time if there is an opening. So there is no preference in terms of when you got on.
I got an email yesterday that there was an opening so I got my ticket right away. I am not sure if they have added even more places, or in fact there have been openings in the current format.
Yeah, we don't have the manpower/time to go and email each individual person on the wait list, wait for a reply, then go to the next person when tickets become available as that is obviously a very time consuming process. There are over 300 people on the 40k Champs wait list alone.
I am looking for software to automate the process but haven't found anything yet. So, in the meantime we just ping the entire wait list and then it is first come first served.
@Pepin
See you there!
@Thread
We did indeed have some more 40k champs slots open up. We were holding space for another game system that was hoping to have a big event at the LVO but it looks like we will have to push it back to 2020 which is a bummer, however, it does mean we can fit in some more 40k players as there are so many people still hoping to get a ticket.
So, if you wanted to go but missed out the first and secondopportunities, this is the last chance to get a ticket as physically we can't fit any more tables in the 40k hall.
It's not a ton of extra spots but we're trying to accommodate everyone that wants to come. So, if you were hoping to come and play in the 40k champs at the LVO, now is the time.
Also, we added these very cool commemorative miniature carry trays that you can purchase and pick up at the event! You can get the tray by itself, the commemorative mat by itself or both at a discount to carry your army around at the event! It breaks down for ease of transport and storage, too.
With the new physical area opening up in the hall and the introduction of new spots in the Champs tourney, what is the total size of the Champs bracket going to be? Are you still capping it at 500?
No, no need to yet. We will still end up with 1 undefeated player. If we were to grow any further then yeah, it would become a necessity. We're going right up to the edge of what we can allow in 9 rounds.
What I assume he is talking about is the top 8 and if we will expand it to ta top 16.
We're batting around some ideas in that regard as there will likely end up being 10-12 undefeated players after round 6.
We're considering a qualifier round for seeds 5-12 on Saturday evening, but we'll see. It will likely depend on actual attendance at the event.
It is tough to juggle accommodating as many people as possible and working within the time frame we have. We'll figure it out, though.
Reecius wrote: No, no need to yet. We will still end up with 1 undefeated player. If we were to grow any further then yeah, it would become a necessity. We're going right up to the edge of what we can allow in 9 rounds.
What I assume he is talking about is the top 8 and if we will expand it to ta top 16.
We're batting around some ideas in that regard as there will likely end up being 10-12 undefeated players after round 6.
We're considering a qualifier round for seeds 5-12 on Saturday evening, but we'll see. It will likely depend on actual attendance at the event.
It is tough to juggle accommodating as many people as possible and working within the time frame we have. We'll figure it out, though.
Just listened to this week's signals. You explained it. 512 = 8 players after 6 rounds. 537 = 8.4. I was originally wondering if the tourney was going to be 600+ people or not, but I got it now.
Yeah, there's always attrition before the event and yes that will influence how many undefeated players there are.
After conferring at length with the team, we decided that we're going to auto-qualify the top 4 spots into the finals and then the remaining undefeated players will play a one round qualifier on Saturday night to determine the seeds 5 through 8.
So, assuming a full turnout, that gives 4 more players the opportunity to make the finals but rewards the top players with an automatic birth.
Should be fun! However, that 4th game Saturday night will be tough so if you think you may qualify be sure to hydrate, eat and keep yourself at a high energy level to get over that hump.
Adepticon has had 4 rounds per day as well. I believe the Champs is 4 rounds, but in the past it used to be 4 rounds all weekend for the Gladiator, Champs and Team Tournament and folks competed for the Iron Man (playing in all 4 rounds in all 3 days).
whitedragon wrote: Adepticon has had 4 rounds per day as well. I believe the Champs is 4 rounds, but in the past it used to be 4 rounds all weekend for the Gladiator, Champs and Team Tournament and folks competed for the Iron Man (playing in all 4 rounds in all 3 days).
What game time per round? 3h is sensible one for 2k but with 4 games that's like 12 hour + time between games. That's super long. Not my cup of tea for sure.
Nurglitch wrote: It'll be worth it for the Rocky training montages.
I had to do something at work today... I wrote this for your montage video.
Packing up, all of my dice
Got my books and my ruler
Printed my list, and I checked the points twice
Just a man and his toy soldier vice
Went to Vegas, I’m at the event
In line behind a mouth breather
Don’t lose your grip, keep your rage in and pent
You must not give him hygiene advice
So many times, it happens too fast
You trade your savings for ForgeWorld
Don’t think about LVOs of the past
You won’t face six Magnus’s this time
It’s the roll of a boxcar, it’s the thrill of the dice
Rising up to the netlist of our rival
And his list is Aeldari and his points are not right
But the judges’ blown calls cannot stop... a roll of boxcar
Nurglitch wrote: It'll be worth it for the Rocky training montages.
I had to do something at work today... I wrote this for your montage video.
Packing up, all of my dice
Got my books and my ruler
Printed my list, and I checked the points twice
Just a man and his toy soldier vice
Went to Vegas, I’m at the event
In line behind a mouth breather
Don’t lose your grip, keep your rage in and pent
You must not give him hygiene advice
So many times, it happens too fast
You trade your savings for ForgeWorld
Don’t think about LVOs of the past
You won’t face six Magnus’s this time
It’s the roll of a boxcar, it’s the thrill of the dice
Rising up to the netlist of our rival
And his list is Aeldari and his points are not right
But the judges’ blown calls cannot stop... a roll of boxcar
Lol, I could hear the music in my mind as I read it!
@tneva82
Me either, honestly. However, it is the only fair way to handle it, and it only impacts at most 8 players as stated. If it turns out we don't need the qualifier round due to attrition or tons of ties or whatever, then we'll skip it. However, we're building in the expectation that if you are in places 5 through possibly 12 after round 6, be prepared to play another game. If you're a part of the other 99% of the field that don't fall in that range it's not an issue. So, roughly 1% of the players in the event will be impacted.
hotsauceman1 wrote: But that's Nova, AKA east coast. And East Coast doesn't know how to play 40k
I know, seriously! We only know how to win, especially when playing against miserable West Coasters. Don't worry, more lessons are en route in February! I'll even teach you how to win at craps!
hotsauceman1 wrote: But that's Nova, AKA east coast. And East Coast doesn't know how to play 40k
I know, seriously! We only know how to win, especially when playing against miserable West Coasters. Don't worry, more lessons are en route in February! I'll even teach you how to win at craps!
Gentlemen, Gentlemen... There's no need to argue which coast is better when they're both inferior to the midwest.
hotsauceman1 wrote: But that's Nova, AKA east coast. And East Coast doesn't know how to play 40k
I know, seriously! We only know how to win, especially when playing against miserable West Coasters. Don't worry, more lessons are en route in February! I'll even teach you how to win at craps!
Gentlemen, Gentlemen... There's no need to argue which coast is better when they're both inferior to the midwest.
hotsauceman1 wrote: But that's Nova, AKA east coast. And East Coast doesn't know how to play 40k
I know, seriously! We only know how to win, especially when playing against miserable West Coasters. Don't worry, more lessons are en route in February! I'll even teach you how to win at craps!
Gentlemen, Gentlemen... There's no need to argue which coast is better when they're both inferior to the midwest.
I mean, why even bother having this discussion when the mere existence of the British isles is enough to put yous to shame
hotsauceman1 wrote: But that's Nova, AKA east coast. And East Coast doesn't know how to play 40k
I know, seriously! We only know how to win, especially when playing against miserable West Coasters. Don't worry, more lessons are en route in February! I'll even teach you how to win at craps!
Gentlemen, Gentlemen... There's no need to argue which coast is better when they're both inferior to the midwest.
I mean, why even bother having this discussion when the mere existence of the British isles is enough to put yous to shame
I hope Teatime doesn't eat away too much of your chess clock.
So, with not a small amount of pride I wanted to let everyone know that the LVO 2019 40k Champs cracked 800 registered participants!
WOW!
Thanks so much to everyone coming, we can't wait to see you there.
What this means is that after the last and final expansion (literally no more physical space) we're down to just the last 10 or so tickets available for the event. If you missed out the first two times, this is the last call, you may want to snag a ticket now. After that it comes down to grabbing a wait list spot and hoping someone drops.
Reecius wrote: So, with not a small amount of pride I wanted to let everyone know that the LVO 2019 40k Champs cracked 800 registered participants!
WOW!
Thanks so much to everyone coming, we can't wait to see you there.
What this means is that after the last and final expansion (literally no more physical space) we're down to just the last 10 or so tickets available for the event. If you missed out the first two times, this is the last call, you may want to snag a ticket now. After that it comes down to grabbing a wait list spot and hoping someone drops.
I ended up picking up a high roller package when the wait list opened up, and I've been trying to get a hold of someone to process the refund of the original ticket (non-highroller package) that I bought previously.
ajax_xaja wrote: I ended up picking up a high roller package when the wait list opened up, and I've been trying to get a hold of someone to process the refund of the original ticket (non-highroller package) that I bought previously.
Any news on what's going on there?
I was able to get ahold of Frankie by email to get my refund processed. If you emailed them give it some time. I'm sure they're swamped with all the irons they have in the fire right now.
Yeah, just give Frankie a bit to process the requests. The event has grown so much we're starting to feel the strain of just dealing with this kind of thing as it eats up so much time in the day. We're used to it being far less demanding. We're going to have to change out refund/exchange policy next year as it's become such a tax on our labor resources.
However, that is our problem, not yours. We will get you taken care of Ajax, please just bear with us.
Is there a cutoff date for refunds? I'm down for going, just gotta make sure my work has the same outlook (bit of a one man show right now, and not sure if will get help).
bullyboy wrote: Is there a cutoff date for refunds? I'm down for going, just gotta make sure my work has the same outlook (bit of a one man show right now, and not sure if will get help).
bullyboy wrote: Is there a cutoff date for refunds? I'm down for going, just gotta make sure my work has the same outlook (bit of a one man show right now, and not sure if will get help).
@Reecius with the announcement that the Genestealer Cult codex is being released next and fans speculating it will be sometime in January this concerned cultist would like to know if there is a cut off date for new codex releases to be used at the LVO?
Need me some dirtbikes and a 3D holo-map of Warhammer World at the LVO
Yeah, now that we are rolling out our list requirement along with BCP's ability to pull data off of lists we have to have a deadline. If the dex falls outside of that deadline then yeah! However, I am not certain when it is going to land.
Are 3rd party models/bitz allowed? I have a few sniper drones that are not GW standard.
Also, can I wear a full gorilla costume or is that not allowed.
3rd party bitz and such are fine so long as they are a reasonable substitute, however, be aware that if you do have those you cannot appear on stream if that is a concern of yours.
OK, how strict is WYSIWYG at these events? For a specific example, I typically run all my Deathwatch as stormbolters, even though they are equipped with the actual DW bolter. If my list contains zero bolters (so there could be no possible confusion) is this an issue, or would I have to remove all bolters and replace with actual stormbolters? Thanks in advance.
bullyboy wrote: OK, how strict is WYSIWYG at these events? For a specific example, I typically run all my Deathwatch as stormbolters, even though they are equipped with the actual DW bolter. If my list contains zero bolters (so there could be no possible confusion) is this an issue, or would I have to remove all bolters and replace with actual stormbolters? Thanks in advance.
For me, this is an issue. Even though they may not be actual bolters in the list, the weapon is so iconic, that it may be confusing for players. I like to look at a model an know what it is armed with. Especially in the later rounds.
bullyboy wrote: OK, how strict is WYSIWYG at these events? For a specific example, I typically run all my Deathwatch as stormbolters, even though they are equipped with the actual DW bolter. If my list contains zero bolters (so there could be no possible confusion) is this an issue, or would I have to remove all bolters and replace with actual stormbolters? Thanks in advance.
For me, this is an issue. Even though they may not be actual bolters in the list, the weapon is so iconic, that it may be confusing for players. I like to look at a model an know what it is armed with. Especially in the later rounds.
At a GT you should be expected to have the primary weapon loaded on a Model. If your running a squad of 10 Vets with stormbolters.. they should be toting actual stormbolters.
You can't say bolters are storm bolters, they need to be easily identifiable. They can be conversions, but all the Storm Bolters must be unique and consistent. So, if you use say, a special type of bigger Bolter such as one from FW or something, and say all of the models holding those types of Bolters are counts as Sotmr Bolters, that is fine. However, they ALL must be that way.
No worries, good to know. I'll probably skip the Deathwatch then. Too many painted up with the regular bolter that i don't feel like dismantling. Well, I guess that means another Eldar player then. As far as the late round games go, this is my first event so I'll be playing on the tables near the bar, lol.
Will there be any changes to the Kill Team tournament rules/packet before the event? Specifically, will the Commander expansion for Kill Teams be incorporated into the tournament pack rules?
bullyboy wrote: No worries, good to know. I'll probably skip the Deathwatch then. Too many painted up with the regular bolter that i don't feel like dismantling. Well, I guess that means another Eldar player then. As far as the late round games go, this is my first event so I'll be playing on the tables near the bar, lol.
One year, the bar was located at the shallow end of the tables. That was nice. Last year and the year before, it was in another room, a very long walk away. So, there's incentive to play better unless you've got Fitbit numbers you need to rack up.
Reece, is that something you can still negotiate with Bally's? Not too late? Have it so the bar is on the main 40k Champs area?
srsly
We can have multiple bars but they're really expensive to set up. Each one costs us thousands of dollars to have each one operating to we try to keep it to just the one central location.
I mean, if it were up to me we'd have like 20, lol, but it doesn't fit the budget.
Reecius wrote: We can have multiple bars but they're really expensive to set up. Each one costs us thousands of dollars to have each one operating to we try to keep it to just the one central location.
Which, last year, was alright, being in the merchant area, but in 2017, when it was down the hall, mostly back to the casino, that blew.
Reecius wrote: I mean, if it were up to me we'd have like 20, lol, but it doesn't fit the budget.
Thanks, Reece. I'm just trying to live up the the responsibility that Dashofpepper gave me (in my signature).
Chess Clocks will be mandatory for stream tables and for players in the hunt to win the event or for players that want to use them.
Just to confirm that I read that correctly, chess clocks will be mandatory for players that want to use them? So if I want to use one, and my opponent with 250 Ork models does NOT, is it mandatory to use one?
My son and I are going. I didn't realize the organizers would make so much effort to open additional spots. Great job to the team for making so many additional opportunities.
Early on when we signed up the 40k stuff was closed already, so my son signed up for WFB / AoS and I signed up for a weekend of paint slinging clinics. I'm really excited for the LVO weekend.
Chess Clocks will be mandatory for stream tables and for players in the hunt to win the event or for players that want to use them.
Just to confirm that I read that correctly, chess clocks will be mandatory for players that want to use them? So if I want to use one, and my opponent with 250 Ork models does NOT, is it mandatory to use one?
imma break that sentence down for you;
Chess Clocks will be mandaory for...
... stream tables
... and for players in the hunt to win the event
... or for players that want to use them
So, if your Opponent would bring a chessclock you would be mandated to use it with him, I guess
Chess Clocks will be mandatory for stream tables and for players in the hunt to win the event or for players that want to use them.
Just to confirm that I read that correctly, chess clocks will be mandatory for players that want to use them? So if I want to use one, and my opponent with 250 Ork models does NOT, is it mandatory to use one?
imma break that sentence down for you;
Chess Clocks will be mandaory for...
... stream tables
... and for players in the hunt to win the event
... or for players that want to use them
So, if your Opponent would bring a chessclock you would be mandated to use it with him, I guess
That was how I read it as well. Still seeking confirmation from a TO/Judge though.
what's the consensus for Army colours at this event? For example, I get that this is competitive so taking my "fluffy" Iyanden force is not as good as going Alaitoc. So, if I have a battalion that is Alaitoc, but a small portion that is Ulthwe, how important is it that the Ulthwe contingent is painted considerably different to the Alaitoc portion?
bullyboy wrote: what's the consensus for Army colours at this event? For example, I get that this is competitive so taking my "fluffy" Iyanden force is not as good as going Alaitoc. So, if I have a battalion that is Alaitoc, but a small portion that is Ulthwe, how important is it that the Ulthwe contingent is painted considerably different to the Alaitoc portion?
It depends on unit composition. My drukhari are all painted the same theme, but since the wyches and succubi are the only Cursed Blade cult units, and all the rest are Black Heart, the vehicles, kabbies, archons and scourges (which are neither), I've no need to designate any paint difference. For my army, it's just a difference of Girls and Boys.
'Nid players have Kronos and Leviathan detachments in their armies, and the split is usually written on their list where the detachments are listed, but one should still have some different splash of paint when the Flyrants are from different fleets.
Can you tell us (the thread) what your split in units is? If that's too much, you could put a good sized dot or square of paint on the base (easily painted over after LVO) to show who is Ulthwe and not Iyanden.
Or is it *just* your Wraithguard units & Spiritseer that are Ulthwe? It ought to be okay to simply have it stated as such on your list (which is a mandatory item on army lists anyway).Then players are required to upload on the BestCoastPairings app by a January date (I won't stated because I'm not sure just when).
Anyway, that'd be okay with me.
If you're a Top Table player, with serious intentions on winning (misters Nanavati, Nayden, Grant, Perkins, Brandt, etc.), then you'd prolly need to have the something better than that.
bullyboy wrote: what's the consensus for Army colours at this event? For example, I get that this is competitive so taking my "fluffy" Iyanden force is not as good as going Alaitoc. So, if I have a battalion that is Alaitoc, but a small portion that is Ulthwe, how important is it that the Ulthwe contingent is painted considerably different to the Alaitoc portion?
It depends on unit composition. My drukhari are all painted the same theme, but since the wyches and succubi are the only Cursed Blade cult units, and all the rest are Black Heart, the vehicles, kabbies, archons and scourges (which are neither), I've no need to designate any paint difference. For my army, it's just a difference of Girls and Boys.
'Nid players have Kronos and Leviathan detachments in their armies, and the split is usually written on their list where the detachments are listed, but one should still have some different splash of paint when the Flyrants are from different fleets.
Can you tell us (the thread) what your split in units is? If that's too much, you could put a good sized dot or square of paint on the base (easily painted over after LVO) to show who is Ulthwe and not Iyanden.
Or is it *just* your Wraithguard units & Spiritseer that are Ulthwe? It ought to be okay to simply have it stated as such on your list (which is a mandatory item on army lists anyway).Then players are required to upload on the BestCoastPairings app by a January date (I won't stated because I'm not sure just when).
Anyway, that'd be okay with me.
If you're a Top Table player, with serious intentions on winning (misters Nanavati, Nayden, Grant, Perkins, Brandt, etc.), then you'd prolly need to have the something better than that.
well, now it's going to be Iyanden and Alaitoc, which is a little tougher to discern since they are both kinda blue and yellow. Of course the fluff bunny in me wants to keep my Hemlock's Iyanden (wraith construct) but why take that over Alaitoc at an event like this?
Currently, my Prisms, Nightspinner, Hemlocks, Shadow weavers and farseer are Alaitoc, foot troops, plus wraithguard in serpent Iyanden. And no, I am not any of those people listed, lol, this will be my first ever tournament...I'm going for fun.
bullyboy wrote: Currently, my Prisms, Nightspinner, Hemlocks, Shadow weavers
Clownie elves can't be Alaitoc, . So, is that a typo?
bullyboy wrote: and farseer are Alaitoc, foot troops, plus wraithguard in serpent Iyanden. And no, I am not any of those people listed, lol, this will be my first ever tournament...I'm going for fun.
I just listed those folks as the LVO past winners and overall GT thumpers. As for fun, you're likely to see me on the way to or from the bar, from the kiddie pool, the lower-performing end of tables (bigger numbers). Say hi to the skinny guy with the Beer Hammer t-shirt.
bullyboy wrote: Currently, my Prisms, Nightspinner, Hemlocks, Shadow weavers
Clownie elves can't be Alaitoc, . So, is that a typo?
bullyboy wrote: and farseer are Alaitoc, foot troops, plus wraithguard in serpent Iyanden. And no, I am not any of those people listed, lol, this will be my first ever tournament...I'm going for fun.
I just listed those folks as the LVO past winners and overall GT thumpers. As for fun, you're likely to see me on the way to or from the bar, from the kiddie pool, the lower-performing end of tables (bigger numbers). Say hi to the skinny guy with the Beer Hammer t-shirt.
yeah, I'll be joining you at the bar for sure.
Shadow Weavers are actually Craftworld (I know, practically every other thing "weaver" is a 'quin), they're the Support Weapon Platform that fires indirect monafilament wires. Heavy Support slot.
bullyboy wrote: yeah, I'll be joining you at the bar for sure.
Shadow Weavers are actually Craftworld (I know, practically every other thing "weaver" is a 'quin), they're the Support Weapon Platform that fires indirect monafilament wires. Heavy Support slot.
Found it under "Support Weapons".
The bar in the tournament consists of a line of nerds, and two 'tenders dispensing bottles and mixed drinks. You haul your beer back to the venue and continue your game. But, yep, look me up.
As for colors, it is fine to have "Ultramanders" or whatever so long as you are consistent. You can't have some blue marines be one thing and other blue marines another. All blue marines must be the same thing or be distinguished in some way such as painting the rim of the base a different color or similar easily identifiable marking.
When in doubt, send in pics.
@Whembly
Nice, see you there!
The Friendly pack is on the ticket itself (as are all the player packs) and of course, you can always try your luck at the door at the event and see if there were drops, in which case you can purchase a ticket and jump in!
The Friendly pack is on the ticket itself (as are all the player packs) and of course, you can always try your luck at the door at the event and see if there were drops, in which case you can purchase a ticket and jump in!
Great!
I'll probably bring my Ork stompa list (lower model count for travel) and see what drops. If not, I definitely love to spectate or go on beer runs!
Are we going to be able to do "all at once" deployment at the LVO rather than IGYG? It's so much faster especially when people have trouble finishing the games.
(To mainly Reece)Also, can we possibly have alternative means of posting pairings to get us to tables faster? I'm just envisioning BCP pairings crashing with large volume. I'm sure you already have all that figured out. Just occurred to me. Whoo wee. Looking forward to my 6th little rubber wrist band. What color this year?!?!?!?!
Good luck! We will know by the 10th how many tickets extra we have.
@Doktor_G
That is a consideration for the 2019 season, we're not changing the missions right before the event. Everyone's been playing this way all season so we'll stick it out to the bitter end!
But, it seems a lot of folks are interested in CA deployment options so we will certainly take a look at them.
The BCP guys assure us that the app is stress tested and ready to rock this year, so we're counting on it running smoothly.
Quick Q on the enclosed ruins. Eldar Shadow Weavers can start the game deployed in one correct, but would be unable to leave the building through door/window since they're not infantry. Is that right?
We're still processing refunds and transfers so it will likely be Thursday of next week that we get it ready for list submission, actually, but we'll see. Next week for sure and yes, the deadline is the 25th.
Dude, it's crazy, lol. All the stuff in those pics is about 25% of what need for JUST 40K!
Yeah, years and years of work to get to this point. But, it's worth it as I really feel our terrain is some of the best in the business. This year particularly people are going to walk in and feel that wow factor. I hope so anyway, we're really going the extra mile.
We've thought about it, honestly. So long as you insured it it could work, you'd just have to invest the time into tracking if things break, shipping them very carefully, etc. But, it is an idea worth exploring.
@Thread
So we're processing last minute refunds and transfers and such and there are now a few 40k Champs Tickets that have come available if you missed out the first time.
You can upload lists into BCP now for 40k and AoS champs events!
@Al Haquis
You are a trooper! Good luck with your travels =)
@Ojanichsi
Custodes are bad? Tell that to Mike Porter who got a perfect battle score with them at the LGT.
Second place battle score at SoCal was also pure Custodes.
Perhaps you were being sarcastic though?
Eh, all good either way.
I still don't see how people aren't finding the strengths in the Marine dex. I rarely lose with my Pure Ultramarines, just took down a Castellan/AM army in our league yesterday in a 36-12 victory, and have done quite well with them in tournaments all edition.
And fun fact: the Veteran Intercessors from Vigilus are the business! So dang good.
@Thread
Looking forward to seeing everyone! Back to the terrain train, choo choo!
Don't wait to the last minute! If you have trouble figuring it out as it is a new system, you could face penalties coming in to the event. Get it done early to avoid problems.
Don't wait to the last minute! If you have trouble figuring it out as it is a new system, you could face penalties coming in to the event. Get it done early to avoid problems.
Shoot me another email, please at Contact@FrontlineGaming.org
We got blasted with last minute refunds and transfers and seriously couldn't keep up. It's calmed down now, though. We may have simply missed you and if so, I apologize for that.
But between ITC stuff, LVO ticket changes, rules questions, model approval emails, etc. we were literally getting hundreds of emails a day, it was crazy.
I have two groups of about 5 people and stuff slips through, especially around Christmas/New year's. Thanks for taking the time to look at it and reply.
Hey everyone, friendly reminder the deadline to submit your list is this Friday the 25th! Make sure to get that taken care of as you don't want to start the event with a penalty.
Also, the deadline for getting a conversion or model substitution is also this Friday. Don't procrastinate as if you wait to the last minute we may not answer your question in time if it impacts your list.
To confirm, LVO will not be using the deployment rules from any of the CA2018 missions where player A deploys the entire army, then player B deploys, then A goes first. (Like 7th, 6th, etc.)
It is still the I go, you go, I go, you go, +1 to roll. Correct?
deviantduck wrote: To confirm, LVO will not be using the deployment rules from any of the CA2018 missions where player A deploys the entire army, then player B deploys, then A goes first. (Like 7th, 6th, etc.)
It is still the I go, you go, I go, you go, +1 to roll. Correct?
Correct. LVO is using the ITC Championships Missions, which have the I go, you go, deployment format.
However, loads of folks have asked for it in the ITC feedback form so we're strongly considering it for next season.
I was one of them. It's a lot faster and lets player 2 deploy defensively. Our group heading to LVO seemed to be unable to reach consensus on it last weekend. Thanks for the clarification.
Reecius, I know its not mandatory in the list were uploading to BCP but is it expected to have all relics and psychic powers on our lists be the same for every game, or can they be swapped out between games?
Eihnlazer wrote: Reecius, I know its not mandatory in the list were uploading to BCP but is it expected to have all relics and psychic powers on our lists be the same for every game, or can they be swapped out between games?
Those are all things that are done at the table, pre-game turn 1, round by round. They can vary from game to game.
Eihnlazer wrote: Reecius, I know its not mandatory in the list were uploading to BCP but is it expected to have all relics and psychic powers on our lists be the same for every game, or can they be swapped out between games?
Those are all things that are done at the table, pre-game turn 1, round by round. They can vary from game to game.
Also, Warlord is set in stone, but traits are picked at the table, correct?
Eihnlazer wrote: Reecius, I know its not mandatory in the list were uploading to BCP but is it expected to have all relics and psychic powers on our lists be the same for every game, or can they be swapped out between games?
Those are all things that are done at the table, pre-game turn 1, round by round. They can vary from game to game.
Also, Warlord is set in stone, but traits are picked at the table, correct?
With the release of Kill Team: Arena, will the Kill Team tournament be impacted? A while back you mentioned the rules were getting updated, but the link is still referencing the NOVA event from last year. Really just need to know if I should be purchasing the new boxset before LVO.
Yeah, we've been waiting on GW for the updated pack, let me check in with them and get right back to you.
Sorry for the delay on that one.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, today is the deadline for list submission for the AOS and 40k Champs!
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Also, if anyone is trying to reach me via Dakka PM, I haven't read one in like, 5 years so please reach out via email.
As an FYI in case anyone is having similar issues, BCP Player went overnight to showing as No events found (previously it showed the 40k champs) but I was able to upload a list using the weblink that was sent by email instead of the BCP app.
Relogging a couple of times in the app also resolved the issue.
help a newbie out with this whole chess clock thing.
Would the timer be set for the entire game, and if so, how long does each player get? Or is set for each battle round?
Really confused here....this will be my first 40k tourny so in addition to learning the new missions, secondaries etc, this is an extra factor I need to consider.
Make sure to play at least one game with the clock before coming. It feels weird the first time you do it so you don't want to be figuring it out at the event.
Once you get used to it though, it is so much better.
Make sure to play at least one game with the clock before coming. It feels weird the first time you do it so you don't want to be figuring it out at the event.
Once you get used to it though, it is so much better.
So how long is it for each player (found that rounds are 2.5 to 3hrs)?
75mins per player or 90mins? I'll try and get a practice round in this weekend or next.
Reecius wrote: Thanks, Alpharius!
@Bullyboy
Make sure to play at least one game with the clock before coming. It feels weird the first time you do it so you don't want to be figuring it out at the event.
Once you get used to it though, it is so much better.
So how long is it for each player (found that rounds are 2.5 to 3hrs)?
75mins per player or 90mins? I'll try and get a practice round in this weekend or next.
For LVO's 3 hour rounds (180 minutes) it means 90 minutes for each player. This clock starts as soon as the round does, so you need to be clicking back and forth as you deploy.
My experience**:
Course, you have to drag your stuff to your table, set up, your dice box and model tray and all that, and that eats time. I find that I don't start the clock during list swap and explanations either, although, I know my opponent and I should be doing that. I plan to set my personal clock at 85 minutes each, giving a 10 minute pad for both of us for travel to the table, list swap and explanation. Once we roll which zone we're deploying on, I will be clicking on the clock.
One thing, if you and opponent want to take time to look up a rule, call a judge, dispute a LOS or other issue, the clock doesn't stop. Direct out of Reece's mouth (he told me at BAO), only the judges can stop the clock, because your game runs over time.
That won't be an issue in most games, especially once you've lost a game and are out of the hunt.
JUST IN as I'm writing this post:
I'm listening to Signals from the Frontline #624 and Reece mentions that the BCP app will have , no *has* a count down to the round on it! Cool!! (time index 22.30 second mark of the video)
**Totally my opinion subject to a smack and correction from the judges or FLG crew.
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So for some reason, BCP didn't register that I sent my list on Tuesday because of the update, so I had to submit it today too. Am I gonna be in trouble at the event?
hotsauceman1 wrote: So for some reason, BCP didn't register that I sent my list on Tuesday because of the update, so I had to submit it today too. Am I gonna be in trouble at the event?
Rumor has it that Pablo is organizing a Friday morning 'spank machine' for those who are late in submitting. Nothing kinky, just having offenders crawl between the legs of other players, and getting a swat on the behind as you crawl under, the length and number of spanks corresponds to how late you submitted.
So I heard.
hotsauceman1 wrote: So for some reason, BCP didn't register that I sent my list on Tuesday because of the update, so I had to submit it today too. Am I gonna be in trouble at the event?
No buddy, you're cool. Don't sweat it. We're only missing about 50 lists right now so well done to everyone!
We're pinging the stragglers now to get their lists in or potentially get a Yellow Card coming in to the event.
@Brother Erekose
Yeah, good tips on the clock. We have longer breaks between rounds this year to make it easier to navigate the hall and to have plenty of time to get to your table, get set up, etc. Plus, with BCP's round timer, you'll know exactly where you are with regards to time, it will be awesome.
And again, to anyone coming that wants access to a clock to be sure you do not get slow played, bring your own clock! We are bringing a lot but not nearly enough for everyone, not even close. Don't expect to have access to an LVO clock. However, if you're not worried about it then nothing to worry about =) It's not mandatory but like I have been saying, once you get used to it it is so much better.
Wow, the new Elvis for the LVO40k Champs trophy is absolutely stunning!
Huge thanks to our friend Tyson over at Figure Painters that handled the management of getting this custom sculpt and then painted it in his typical, amazing quality. This guys is also HUGE! Look at the Space Marine at his foot for scale.
We’ve come a long way from the original golden Elvis who is showing his age quite a bit but at the time we had him made was quite the dashing lad.
So long dear friend, you have served us well. But now, on to the bigger, better and more awesome Elvis for the LVO 2019!
Elvis is a part of the trophy, it doesn't actually go home with anyone as it cost so much money to make. He's massive! Haha, like, titan sized.
If you do win though, you get your name immortalized on the trophy with the names of the other winners!
We're looking at making smaller versions of him for trophies for LVO 2020, we just didn't have time to do it this year. It took the better part of the year to get him designed, printed, cast and painted.
@Bullboy
I always recommend checking out the pub crawl if that type of thing interests you as it is good fun and a great way to make new friends!
Other than that, the GW seminar is awesome and there's lots to just see and do beyond the tournaments and such.
Oh yeah, I mostly just said that to see if anyone would rag on me for saying i'd win it. I figured it was more like a Sports championship trophy were you just had the rights to hold it for a bit but it wasn't yours.
We're giving people that formatted their lists incorrectly or were over on points, etc. a little time to fix their lists. We're emailing everyone with errors and letting them know they need to get it fixed ASAP.
The plan is to make the lists public in the near future. Just want to give a little wiggle room as the system is new and people are unfamiliar with it.
Elvis is a part of the trophy, it doesn't actually go home with anyone as it cost so much money to make. He's massive! Haha, like, titan sized.
If you do win though, you get your name immortalized on the trophy with the names of the other winners!
We're looking at making smaller versions of him for trophies for LVO 2020, we just didn't have time to do it this year. It took the better part of the year to get him designed, printed, cast and painted.
@Bullboy
I always recommend checking out the pub crawl if that type of thing interests you as it is good fun and a great way to make new friends!
Other than that, the GW seminar is awesome and there's lots to just see and do beyond the tournaments and such.
I'm a Brit, so pub crawl is kinda my thing Where and when would that kick off? I should be leaving Phx about noon Thursday (driving)
There are times and locations when you scroll down. Further scrolling down a ways ... I'm in the blue "That's what I do: I drink and I know things" t-shirt. I have all the LVO con badges on my right wrist (bragging!). My eyes are half closed, yammering on to a wonderful gal from ... Sweden, I think. Her hubby is holding the decidedly blond looking ale. Nice folks. Looking forward to maybe playing against Karl in the TLW doubles.
hotsauceman1 wrote: So for some reason, BCP didn't register that I sent my list on Tuesday because of the update, so I had to submit it today too. Am I gonna be in trouble at the event?
No buddy, you're cool. Don't sweat it. We're only missing about 50 lists right now so well done to everyone!
We're pinging the stragglers now to get their lists in or potentially get a Yellow Card coming in to the event.
@Brother Erekose
Yeah, good tips on the clock. We have longer breaks between rounds this year to make it easier to navigate the hall and to have plenty of time to get to your table, get set up, etc. Plus, with BCP's round timer, you'll know exactly where you are with regards to time, it will be awesome.
And again, to anyone coming that wants access to a clock to be sure you do not get slow played, bring your own clock! We are bringing a lot but not nearly enough for everyone, not even close. Don't expect to have access to an LVO clock. However, if you're not worried about it then nothing to worry about =) It's not mandatory but like I have been saying, once you get used to it it is so much better.
Hello,
Quick question might have already been answered, the list postings/yellow cards is this just for the 3 day tournament or does this go for the Sunday Mini 3 round RTT as well?
Has anyone that has registered to go to LVO had a group member drop out and now needs another person to cut down on cost in their hotel room? I'm a 31 yo male, neat, don't snore and you can pretend I'm not a stranger you met on the Internet!
I know it's random, but I got the wild hair to go to this last-minute and just wanted to check. PM me if you wanna!
I'd also be totally up for a partner for the Long War Doubles tournament on Saturday!
Did the second wave of 'your list has errors' go out yet? I resubmitted a corrected version and haven't gotten confirmation it's good or still bad yet.
aka an email after your 7pm CST email from the 28th, Reece.
I'm starting to get very aggravated with this list system. I've had three people check my format and list before the second submission. It was again rejected. No explanation as to why. This system needs to have a way to identify what the problem is!
As far as I can tell it's working fine, the list is as it should be, the points are correct, etc, however, the LVO team doesn't think it is. At this point I am entirely unsure of what to do about it.
In the future, it might be worth it to test something like this more than two weeks before the event is set to happen. I know I'm not the only one going through this, but it is adding a ton of stress to an already stressful situation for some of us.
Togusa wrote: I'm starting to get very aggravated with this list system. I've had three people check my format and list before the second submission. It was again rejected. No explanation as to why. This system needs to have a way to identify what the problem is!
As far as I can tell it's working fine, the list is as it should be, the points are correct, etc, however, the LVO team doesn't think it is. At this point I am entirely unsure of what to do about it.
In the future, it might be worth it to test something like this more than two weeks before the event is set to happen. I know I'm not the only one going through this, but it is adding a ton of stress to an already stressful situation for some of us.
Had my first one rejected too but I think I know what the problem was for me. I typed out points and not the correct pts. However - if this one gets sent back without an explanation....yeah - I'll literally be without an idea of what to fix. I think there is a good chance a person isn't actually looking at it or there would be an explanation in the email.
My issue was minor on the first go round. Fixed that explained issue which was literally turning a 9 to an 8. It got rejected the second time for another issue. For me both were valid just would have preferred if they noted ALL the issues with a list instead of just one so I can keep resubmitting.
If you check that, then read your list you are most likely going to see what you did wrong. You probably didn't write the word detachment in the header for a detachment, or included the < > characters which you shouldn't.
And bear in mind, this is a new piece of software, the BCP guys are hustling to improve it as we go and in time it will run smooth as silk.
We're going to make sure everyone gets the fixes they need, but we're trying to help everyone help themselves as stated, those still having an issue are pretty much all making the same mistake. So read that forum and I bet you see what you did wrong.
As annoying as it can be to learn a new format, what we get out of it is absolutely worth it. Lists will largely be validated to avoid people being over on points, factions get reported correctly for awards and rankings, lists are visible to avoid anyone trying some shenanigans with swapping lists mid-event, etc. It makes the overall experience better for everyone.
Plus the data we get out of this tool is invaluable and will help to make the game better.
So thanks to everyone for working with us to get this bad ass new tool up and running as it will benefit all of us long term. Just can be frustrating to learn a new system in the short term.
BCPCasey wrote: We appreciate your patience and we work out the kinks here.
As most of you have noticed... this is being done in a mostly automated fashion for these first few passes and is 99% formatting only.
There is a limited amount of legality checks we can do with any accuracy.
BCP, Casey, the second coolest guy named 'Casey' in 40k!
Hey, there!
@all:
I actually did receive specific reasons (and they were right):
1. Reason: Listed points add up to more than the army total in Craftworld – Alaitoc faction by 46 points.
2. Reason: Listed PL add up to more than army total in Craftworld faction by 3 PL.
Maybe I'm more loved than the rest of you guys ... because I share a name with a really cool dude.
Yeah, I have been keeping my eye on FB and such and the players frustrated with trying to follow the script are being helped by fellow gamers who figured it out, so thanks to everyone assisting their fellow gamers!
It's cool too though, we've noticed quite a few lists over on points as Casey noted, and those players got it fixed before showing up with an illegal list and possibly having a very unenjoyable experience as a result of it.
With lists all being in BCP this time do we need a printed copy of our lists and do we need to print out the mission pack or is this provided?
For the champs I mean.
Not a problem if we do but I'd best do it before getting on the plane from cold, wet England
I'm also curious if I'll be able to buy a new genestealer cult codex at the LVO
Yeah, just bring a physical copy of your list to have in case your phone dies or whatever.
And we're down to the last handful of incorrect lists! Phew, almost there!
I do have to laugh a bit when dealing with someone super pissed at us saying they did it perfectly and checked it 10 times and the program is making a mistake, etc., then I take one glance at their and they added up their points wrong on like half of their units and I just have to laugh a bit, lol.
It is crazy to see how many people do not add up their points right, wow. I always knew there would be a percentage of incorrect lists at any event but I didn't realize to what degree. This tool is going to go miles to making things more accurate and fair for everyone, and will become more user friendly as we go.
It is crazy to see how many people do not add up their points right, wow. I always knew there would be a percentage of incorrect lists at any event but I didn't realize to what degree. This tool is going to go miles to making things more accurate and fair for everyone, and will become more user friendly as we go.
Glad to see that you are realizing that the people who were pushing for accountability weren't just a bunch of whiners and actually had legitimate complaints about how tournaments have been run in the past. Seriously, thank you for stepping up and doing what you can so your events are as fair and enjoyable as you can make them for all attendees. I can not even fathom the time and effort you have put in for the community and you deserve all the accolades you receive.
Honestly though, without the BCP guys largely automating the process, it wouldn't have been possible. But yeah, the way forward with tools like this is just a better gaming experience for everyone.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh my! This is one sexy new table and you may get to play on one of them at the LVO!
Nice stuff right there. Did you guys have to print out 400 of your own table mats for the LVO or did you have some older ones lying around?
If your planning on selling some of them after the LVO for a discount instead of letting them sit in a shed for a year I'd be interested in 1 or 2. Probably would wanna pick up 1 or 2 terrain sets as well.
Eihnlazer wrote: Nice stuff right there. Did you guys have to print out 400 of your own table mats for the LVO or did you have some older ones lying around?
If your planning on selling some of them after the LVO for a discount instead of letting them sit in a shed for a year I'd be interested in 1 or 2. Probably would wanna pick up 1 or 2 terrain sets as well.
Helping:
During this last Wednesday's podcast, Reece mentioned that they would *not* be selling terrain afterward. No mention either way on FATmats that I recall.
Otherwise, why not just go ahead and buy a whole kit from them wholesale?
It would be a good gift to people at the tourney if they sold the used stuff there at a slight discount, especially since that stuff will be sittingunused for a year.
would also reduce their storage costs for holding all that stuff.
Of course it is their prerogative to keep it all for next year to save time and work for then.
Eihnlazer wrote: It would be a good gift to people at the tourney if they sold the used stuff there at a slight discount, especially since that stuff will be sittingunused for a year.
would also reduce their storage costs for holding all that stuff.
Of course it is their prerogative to keep it all for next year to save time and work for then.
Question then is if the storage cost is higher than doing it all AGAIN next year? I would presume they don't redo everything each year AND that cost of doing those isn't that cheap. Time is money and it takes lots of time to produce that. Long term storage can be rented and price accounted to ticket prices.
Eihnlazer wrote: It would be a good gift to people at the tourney if they sold the used stuff there at a slight discount, especially since that stuff will be sittingunused for a year.
would also reduce their storage costs for holding all that stuff.
Of course it is their prerogative to keep it all for next year to save time and work for then.
Frontline Gaming also has two other GTs, BayAreaOpen this May, and the SoCal Open next fall.
Give the podcast a view / listen. Somewhere in there, the previous sales of terrain, post LVO, was mentioned, but that was for (paraphrasing) "terrain that was okay, but not up to the high standards we want " so said Mr. Raspy voice. <3
And now that they've achieved a high quality, and quantity of terrain, that'll be their inventory for GTs.
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Again, that's my recollection and not necessarily the views of FLGaming. Disclaimer, blah, blah.
We're not selling any terrain this year, sorry. All of the terrain is new, themed sets of terrain. We only sold terrain in the past off of the tables because it was old and no longer up to standard.
If I had to make all of the terrain for the LVO each year I'd throw myself off of a cliff, lol. We essentially had to make an entire table of terrain for each day of the year this year. This is not something I ever want to have to do again, lol.
Also, lists are live so have at it.
If you spot an illegal list try to reach out to them pronto as they have a very small window to fix it or have a not fun experience at the LVO.
Coming down the home stretch! Only 400 more hills and 200 pieces of area terrain to flock tonight....shoot me....
Automatically Appended Next Post: We do sell mats at the event for a discount though, for anyone interested in snagging a few and saving money!
Completely understandable Reecius. Thanks for the hard work and thanks for the discount on the mats.
I'll be sure to grab one or 2 while im there.
Side note: Forge world has some models out of stock on their Web store so im assuming its because they are bringing a large chunk of stock to the LVO to sell? There was some things I wanted that were out of stock.......
jaxor1983 wrote: Are stratagems that are used "before the battle," such as "Imperial Commander's Armoury" supposed to be included in lists submitted for this event?
I thought the detachment info needed to be included, but things like additional warlord traits/relics and the like did not. I could easily be wrong but worth checking
jaxor1983 wrote: Are stratagems that are used "before the battle," such as "Imperial Commander's Armoury" supposed to be included in lists submitted for this event?
Nope. That's a choice made pre-battle.
What Hulksmash said. That can be decided game-by-game.
Jaxor, if I want an add'l relic, say for anti-psycher protection, against my Round 1 opponent, then I can use the extra Relic strategem during deployment, "Before the Battle". If I want, I can use the 3 CP strategem for more relics. If I face necrons Round 2, then I'll skip using that strategem because I won't need that anti-pyscher relic.
The one relic that *is* written on my list is the one that is going to be there for every game, which is called Writ of the Living Muse.
That other, anti-psycher elic is called, "Helm of Spite" and it's red and sez "MAGA" on the side. The fluff is something about making people lose focus and become incoherently angry.
Crap.
Or was it that they become incoherently stupid and easily brain washed?
jaxor1983 wrote: Are stratagems that are used "before the battle," such as "Imperial Commander's Armoury" supposed to be included in lists submitted for this event?
Nope. That's a choice made pre-battle.
What Hulksmash said. That can be decided game-by-game.
Jaxor, if I want an add'l relic, say for anti-psycher protection, against my Round 1 opponent, then I can use the extra Relic strategem during deployment, "Before the Battle". If I want, I can use the 3 CP strategem for more relics. If I face necrons Round 2, then I'll skip using that strategem because I won't need that anti-pyscher relic.
The one relic that *is* written on my list is the one that is going to be there for every game, which is called Writ of the Living Muse.
That other, anti-psycher elic is called, "Helm of Spite" and it's red and sez "MAGA" on the side. The fluff is something about making people lose focus and become incoherently angry.
Crap.
Or was it that they become incoherently stupid and easily brain washed?
Now I have to go look that up.
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bullyboy wrote: Dumb question (I'm full of them): LVO provides the objectives for each table?
Actually, a good question. Sometimes there are objectives given away at the door. Sometimes there is no SWAG. One year, there were objectives on the tables and Round 1 winners got to keep them. I'd advise to bring some anyway.
bullyboy wrote: As an aside, anyone put in writing an LVO "checklist" that would be good for first time players?
Reece's favorite: chapstick. The casino's AC draws from dry desert air. Use lotion and chapstick prevent you from having the red clown lips by Sunday.
1. Wear comfy, supportive shoes. Your back will thank you.
2. Bring aspirin/Advil. Your back will thank you. You'll be bending over for 9 hours a day. That takes a toll. 'Kids' under 30 years of age might be alright, but the over 40 set should medicate.
3. Drink water. Reece and crew pay through the nose for water, so drink it. There are usually water carafes or coolers here and there. The dry air takes its toll here too.
4. Eat. Pack a small snack. Fruit and protein. Think hiking foods. Every year, there's no food allowed in the venue from outside, except what they actually sell in the LVO area. The hot dogs, chips and fries are okay, but casino $$.
Don't buy food or coffee at Bally's other shops, and try to bring it in as security has always nixed bringing it to the LVO venue, even though it's Bally's stuff. They've got their reasons. In the morning, there's always a line of dudes chugging their coffee and trying to gobble down food. A stash of trail mix on the down low is a good idea for that long stretch from lunch and the last game's finish, 6.5 hours. But again, on the down low.
5. 40k in general:
Bring:
back up dice,
2 tape measures,
other 40k ruler things with the 1 inch, 3 inch spans, pencil/pad of paper
triple check your model count,
have crazy glue (check your current tube to see that it's not plugged up),
print two lists,
a carry tray,
and your rules. If your rules are on your tablet/device, be sure to have it charged up or carry a battery, and the app ready.
6. Actually read the player packet when you get into the venue.
7. Read the other ITC things, the player code of conduct and the terrain explanations.
Have a good game? Write down that player's name or swap phone numbers.
Enjoy the kiddie pool once you lose that first game. I do.
Check out what else is going on, when you can.
Look for a short, runty guy in John Lennon glasses with the Beer-Hammer t-shirt. Buy him a beer.
I've just combined every 40kFAQ and errata document into this single PDF file. Download it and search for whatever keyword you need to win your petty rules dispute. Also read it on your flight today!
Just a reminder that we are of course looking to you lovely folks to be our roving reporters when it comes to the Studio Preview. There's always bits mentioned that don't make it to the Warcom pages.
And if you don't? I shall drink heavily, and shout at you.
Unless you're unable to get in. In which case such a response would be entirely disproportionate.
bullyboy wrote: Dumb question (I'm full of them): LVO provides the objectives for each table?
Actually, a good question. Sometimes there are objectives given away at the door. Sometimes there is no SWAG. One year, there were objectives on the tables and Round 1 winners got to keep them. I'd advise to bring some anyway.
bullyboy wrote: As an aside, anyone put in writing an LVO "checklist" that would be good for first time players?
Reece's favorite: chapstick. The casino's AC draws from dry desert air. Use lotion and chapstick prevent you from having the red clown lips by Sunday.
1. Wear comfy, supportive shoes. Your back will thank you.
2. Bring aspirin/Advil. Your back will thank you. You'll be bending over for 9 hours a day. That takes a toll. 'Kids' under 30 years of age might be alright, but the over 40 set should medicate.
3. Drink water. Reece and crew pay through the nose for water, so drink it. There are usually water carafes or coolers here and there. The dry air takes its toll here too.
4. Eat. Pack a small snack. Fruit and protein. Think hiking foods. Every year, there's no food allowed in the venue from outside, except what they actually sell in the LVO area. The hot dogs, chips and fries are okay, but casino $$.
Don't buy food or coffee at Bally's other shops, and try to bring it in as security has always nixed bringing it to the LVO venue, even though it's Bally's stuff. They've got their reasons. In the morning, there's always a line of dudes chugging their coffee and trying to gobble down food. A stash of trail mix on the down low is a good idea for that long stretch from lunch and the last game's finish, 6.5 hours. But again, on the down low.
5. 40k in general:
Bring:
back up dice,
2 tape measures,
other 40k ruler things with the 1 inch, 3 inch spans, pencil/pad of paper
triple check your model count,
have crazy glue (check your current tube to see that it's not plugged up),
print two lists,
a carry tray,
and your rules. If your rules are on your tablet/device, be sure to have it charged up or carry a battery, and the app ready.
6. Actually read the player packet when you get into the venue.
7. Read the other ITC things, the player code of conduct and the terrain explanations.
Have a good game? Write down that player's name or swap phone numbers.
Enjoy the kiddie pool once you lose that first game. I do.
Check out what else is going on, when you can.
Look for a short, runty guy in John Lennon glasses with the Beer-Hammer t-shirt. Buy him a beer.
I'm bringing more than that next year. Will work out how many games I'll be playing, and getting a matching amount of the Coins they do at Warhammer World, as a memento for my opponents.
This is my first rodeo. There is literally nothing that can describe how awesome the tables are, and seeing them all laid out......staggering. Had to tell Reece personally as the event has blown me away so far.
Ynnari and a Castellan with support... lol still think we did not need a nerf on the Castellan? Obviously the general makes the difference but not much change in the top armies, thought we would see some orks and maybe a tau. The second place person Alex Harrison took a very interesting list with lots of windriders (18) and 7 flyers......
Mono Marines made top 10 - Gman with 3 Preds 2 Repulsors.
Oddly, he also had 1 BT squad in what would have been an UM detatchment. Not sure why (as nothing with CT had Fly, so the UM trait wouldn't have been negative, I don't think).
Also, 1 T'au in the top 10 - for 2 non-Soup lists in the top 10 IIRC!
Bharring wrote: Mono Marines made top 10 - Gman with 3 Preds 2 Repulsors.
Oddly, he also had 1 BT squad in what would have been an UM detatchment. Not sure why (as nothing with CT had Fly, so the UM trait wouldn't have been negative, I don't think).
Also, 1 T'au in the top 10 - for 2 non-Soup lists in the top 10 IIRC!
It was so he could use the Deny the Witch stratagem that BT have. I was curious about it originally too.
Just wanted to take a second to highlight and thank FLG for the sale on mats from the event. Our car ended up bringing back a total of 16 mats back for our local group and players. At that low price it is a great benefit for the hobby as a whole.
Yep, I was basically doing recon for my group and I expect a full excursion next year. Fantastic event and i did make a point to come up to you personally and thank you for a tremendous experience. If you have a vacation planned right now, it would be well deserved.
. So, is that a typo?
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