enfernux wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Deadshot wrote:Not if I am inflitrating in cover and go to ground for 2+ cover and 6+ FNp against str 5 weapons.

Doesn't change my cover ignoring BS5 missiles.

plus if you G2G I can take you apart at leisure because you can retaliate.

i thought SMS only ignores line of sight...
and enought w the vendettas already, cant an ig play anything else??

exorcist - 135pt

not SMS, these are seeker missiles (skyray has a rack with 6)


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Exergy wrote:

enfernux wrote:

exorcist - 135pt

3 Urien grotesuqes with abberation and venom blade. 135pts

2x broadsides.

im2randomghgh wrote:
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Exergy wrote:

3 Urien grotesuqes with abberation and venom blade. 135pts

2x broadsides.

8 deathmarks 144points

Exergy wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:
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Exergy wrote:

3 Urien grotesuqes with abberation and venom blade. 135pts

2x broadsides.

8 deathmarks 144points

2x Shas'vre suits with MP/PR and TA/HWMT-164

im2randomghgh wrote:
2x Shas'vre suits with MP/PR and TA/HWMT-164

a frieing pan XD or cmd Farsight, or Shadowsun...
on the other: Landraider 255 - i think

enfernux wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:
2x Shas'vre suits with MP/PR and TA/HWMT-164

a frieing pan XD or cmd Farsight, or Shadowsun...
on the other: Landraider 255 - i think

huh?

What?

And Landraider=250

And terminators 200

3 Heavy Destroyers -180

bleh wrong quote. But to sum it up, three grotesques don't stand a chance against an exorcist. The exorcist ignores your armor, ignores your feel no pain, you have to be in melee, and you have a 16% chance each turn to lose your unit.

"3 heavy destroyers"

5 Normal Destroyers. 200 points

IcedAnimals wrote:bleh wrong quote. But to sum it up, three grotesques don't stand a chance against an exorcist. The exorcist ignores your armor, ignores your feel no pain, you have to be in melee, and you have a 16% chance each turn to lose your unit.

but they can would allocate, dont suffer from ID, and charge with 14 Str 7 attacks which hit rear armor. In order to fire the exorcist would have to move 6" or less so would be hit on 4+. Half hit, half penetrate. very likely boom.

Grots suck, but they can rip rear armor.

10 man Rough Rider Squad- 105 points.

Phantom wrote:10 man Rough Rider Squad- 105 points.

Centurion Shas'el-100

What's a Centurion?

IcedAnimals wrote:

5 Normal Destroyers. 200 points

3 oblitorators 225


oopps, im late....

8 man Psyker Battle Squad (1 is overseer)- 90 points.

Phantom wrote:What's a Centurion?

Shas'el with TA, HWMT, PR, CIB.

called a centurion because 100 points.


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Phantom wrote:8 man Psyker Battle Squad (1 is overseer)- 90 points.

15 ork boyz

90

2 Scout Sentinels with autocannons- 80 points.

Phantom wrote:2 Scout Sentinels with autocannons- 80 points.

XV9 with fusion cascades and shield generator-115

Stormtrooper squad with plasma gun- 100 points, also I thought we were suppose to go less.

Phantom wrote:Stormtrooper squad with plasma gun- 100 points, also I thought we were suppose to go less.

Within a reasonable amount, you can go in either direction. Otherwise we'd have like 1 ork-6 1 guardsman-5 etc.

Also the stormtroopers would lose horribly.

Anyways, 15 kroot-105

Five scourges with two splinter cannons, 130 points.

prime12357 wrote:Five scourges with two splinter cannons, 130 points.

Tac squad 170

I out-range you there. I get 8 splinter shots at 36", and have a 12" move, so I can keep out of your range easily.

5 Destroyers - 200

10 man Rough Rider squad- 105 points.

Ravager
- 3 Disintegrator Cannons
- Flickerfield

115 Points.

im2randomghgh wrote:
XV9 with fusion cascades and shield generator-115

so forgeworld applies but apoc dont, wtf...
for all those who dont know - maybe im wrong, but: xv9 is i beleave a hasard suit used by earth caste, shield gen, obvious, but what are fusion cascades???

@Valkyrie: 4th ed Necron monolith. 235

5 termies 4 cf sb 1 pf sb 235

Yeah, no APOC but FW? I understand from the OP'd ness of APOC, but not many people know what certain FW units do.

Termies lose vs monolith.

You can't post Old units so no Oldcron Monolith.

enfernux wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:
XV9 with fusion cascades and shield generator-115

so forgeworld applies but apoc dont, wtf...
for all those who dont know - maybe im wrong, but: xv9 is i beleave a hasard suit used by earth caste, shield gen, obvious, but what are fusion cascades???

@Valkyrie: 4th ed Necron monolith. 235

S6 Ap1 Meltas with D3 shots each. XV9's can take two. And no posting of old units.

enfernux wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:
XV9 with fusion cascades and shield generator-115

so forgeworld applies but apoc dont, wtf...
for all those who dont know - maybe im wrong, but: xv9 is i beleave a hasard suit used by earth caste, shield gen, obvious, but what are fusion cascades???

@Valkyrie: 4th ed Necron monolith. 235

2D3 melta weapons.

And obviously forgeworld applies. Forgeworld built for 40k units are actually built for 40k, not apoc, and are as valid as codex unit.

im2randomghgh wrote:
And obviously forgeworld applies. Forgeworld built for 40k units are actually built for 40k, not apoc, and are as valid as codex unit.

Please do not circumvent our word filter. Thanks Manchu 40k are actualy built for 40k, i know that, but i dont see the sense in your sentence - maybe its just late.
ok, then, no old, no apoc:
Wraithlord w brightlance - 130, came termies:
4 incubi + klaivex w demiklaves in venom 150

Damn you invisible page! I can't see the lastest unit!

ok, so no old dex, no apoc: instead of oldcron monolith:
wraithlord w BL 130, came the termies:
4 incubi 1 klaivex w demiklaves in venom 150

enfernux wrote:ok, so no old dex, no apoc: instead of oldcron monolith:
wraithlord w BL 130, came the termies:
4 incubi 1 klaivex w demiklaves in venom 150

Deff Dread with twin Rokkit Lawnchas 95pts

Land Speeder with TML and Multi Melta ~100

Deadshot wrote:Land Speeder with TML and Multi Melta ~100

Ravager with night shield 115 points.

enfernux wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:
And obviously forgeworld applies. Forgeworld built for 40k units are actually built for 40k, not apoc, and are as valid as codex unit.

Please do not circumvent our word filter. Thanks Manchu 40k are actualy built for 40k, i know that, but i dont see the sense in your sentence - maybe its just late.
ok, then, no old, no apoc:
Wraithlord w brightlance - 130, came termies:
4 incubi + klaivex w demiklaves in venom 150

If you read through IA, you will see a stamp on every unit declaring what game it is meant for, be it 40k, or apoc, or planetfall or whatever.

40k stamped units are meant for, and valid in, 40k.


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Exergy wrote:

Deadshot wrote:Land Speeder with TML and Multi Melta ~100

Ravager with night shield 115 points.

Skyray with BC, DP-140

2 Broadsides 140

DreadlordME! wrote:2 Broadsides 140

Would lose. If we don't ever factor in to hit or obscured, they have a 50% chance to kill it (though much lower with those factors added, 18%), whereas a single round of shooting from the Skyray:

0.66 chance for markerlight to hit, 0.83 chance for the missiles they launch to hit, 0.83 chance to wound (insta-kill) and 0.16 chance to pierce armour.

BC:

0.83 chance to hit with markerlight, 0.66 chance to wound, 0.16 chance to pierce.

Therefore 0.83x0.66x0.16x6=9% chance to wound a turn with BC.

0.66x0.83x0.83x0.16x2=15% chance to take an entire broadside/turn.

That means roughly 20% of a broadside per turn, versus 18% of a skyray. And once I kill a broadside, your firepower will be halved.

Plus, I could just tank shock you right away and escort you off the board. I have 5-6 turns before your shooting can hurt me anyways, it's not like you'll stop me before I get to shock you LOL, escorting off board.

Oh, and your broadsides are illegal because they must take one item of wargear, and also stop posting broadsides vs everything, they're not as good as you think.

But for a less smart-ass response,

1 Shas'el with PR+FB+TA+HWMT+2 shield drones-130

Or

Lysander-200

Take your pick.

ok, and you forget that xv88 shoots 72" twin link s10ap1 shots. You need to mark the target, bringing you 30" to the enemy, and still you only have 1/4 to hit with a marker.
That overrange, and the 75% hit on the broadsides, 50% pen is good, so may not lose


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DreadlordME! wrote:2 Broadsides 140

you MUST select a system for them, so 140 isnt accurate, at least 150 w MTs.

CCS with meltaguns-90.

Joey wrote:CCS with meltaguns-90.

5 scourges with 2 splinter cannons 120

Bloodthirster

Meridia wrote:Bloodthirster

bit of an escallation in points!

but fine

Meridia wrote:Bloodthirster 250pts

10 scourges with 4 splinter cannons
260 points

Two 10 man Vet Guard Squads with AC's and 3 Plasma each shouldn't have a problem with that.

250

Land raider redeemer 240

undead flesh addict wrote:Land raider redeemer 240

A rhino would have worked...

undead flesh addict wrote:Land raider redeemer 240

Voidraven with FF and NS 165pts

Hydra. 75 points. Your call.

Autarch with Fusion Gun: 80pts

Really? Well, since you asked for it...

5 Space Marines. 75 points. Call it a combat squad.

Oh, wait, yeah. Good point. He's T3 and no eternal warrior isn't he. Anyway, carrying on.

Annihilation Barge with Gauss Cannon: 90pts

Rampage wrote:Oh, wait, yeah. Good point. He's T3 and no eternal warrior isn't he. Anyway, carrying on.

Annihilation Barge with Gauss Cannon: 90pts

Predator with Twin Linked Las Cannon
105pts

6 man squad screamers of tzeentch -98

Meltajaws: just as melta bomb
They are jet bikes

10x Hormagaunt + toxin sacs 80 points

2 leman russ vanquishers

Seems a bit of an escalation in points value there...and what is a Vanquisher with no sponsons supposed to do against Hormagaunts anyway?

Ah, well. Two Void Ravens, Night Shields and Flickerfields. 330pts.

The 2 vanquishers are 310 points and they come with heavy bolter so on top of the cannons the bolter could hurt, still hell of a point jump


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2 Squads of 6 long fangs each with 2 lc, 3 missile launchers -340

2 Mawlocs at 340

3 CoD Daemon princes, 240

Stormraven. 205 points (IIRC). I keep flying away with at least one gun (probably assault cannon) going thanks to POTMS until you're dead.

205 for the GK version yes.


3 squadrons of 1 Hydras. 225

Legion of the damned with melta gun, combi-melta and lascannon for 215 points.

2 squads of fiends of slaneesh -210
3 man squad
4 man squad

2 5 man Srtike Squad.including a Daemon Hammer on 1 justicar 210

Leman russ battle tank. 150 points.

liquidjoshi wrote:Leman russ battle tank. 150 points.

3 man Termicide 155
2 combi meltas and 1 chain fist

alright, 3 infantry squads and a platoon command squad. 170 but man I love the image of 35 screaming guardsmen charging into three terminators.

Ironclad dread.with 2 HKs and 2 HFs 170

Deadshot wrote:Ironclad dread.with 2 HKs and 2 HFs 170

Talos with Chain Flails 115

Chainfails?

Deadshot wrote:Chainfails?

Talos have D6 attacks, WS5 Str7 Monsterous.
Chainflails let you reroll the number of attacks.

Heavy weapons team, three lascannons, 105 points. Deploying as far away as possible.

20 Ork Boyz with Sluggas and Choppas. 120pts. Deploying as close as possible.

Platoon command squad: 50
4 x FL

Infantry squad: 55
Flamer
Infantry squad: 55
Flamer

A total of 160 points.

Battlewagon with Deffrolla, 4 big shootas, 'ard case and a lobba. 160pts

Wraithlord w/ brightlance and eml-145pts

Rocky1 wrote:Wraithlord w/ brightlance and eml-145pts

10 wracks acothyst with flesh guantlets 130 points

10 Chaos space marines. 150 points.

Devastator Squad with 4 missile launchers and a lot of distance

150 points

Long Fangs with 4 Missile Launchers. I assume cheaper than the Devs.

Dreadlords Back! Land Raider 250

10 Squad of scarab swarms 150pts
9 scarab swarms

totentanzen wrote:10 Squad of scarab swarms 150pts
9 scarab swarms

Wraithlord with dual flamer and eldar missile launcher

15 Lootas 225

Manticore. 160 points.

5 man squad of stormtroopers with 2 Melta Guns deep striking in. 105pts.

guardsmen marbo = 65 points

Demo charge BOOOOM

Depend who deepstrikes first

V.S Marbo

Raider 2x 140

Vendetta-130 points

Broadside 70

Wraithlord with bright lance, flamer, Shuriken Catapult -130

Hydra - 75

Guardsman Marbo - 65 points

Marbo is not allowed to be used. He gas better things to do. He is banned.

Scout squad with ML 75

Would be 85.

6 Genestealers 84

Archon 120
Shadow Field
Blast Pistol and CC Power Sword

8 Lootas, Deploying as far away as possible.

3x Biovore 135
3x Biovore 135

3 XV-8 Crisis suits w/ TL Burst Cannon 135
3 XV-8 Crisis suits w/ TL Burst Cannon 135

>_< 45 Orks. 270

Three TFC, 300pts

Sanguinary Guard with 2 Powerfists, 2 Infernus Pistols and a chapter Banner Can't think of much else...

295pts

29 Ard boyz 1 ard nob shootas n boospole 330p

Battlewagon
-deff rolla
-big shoota
115 pts

1 Vendetta Gunship with 3 twinlinked Lascannon sponsons 130 points

Company command squad: 100
Lascannon, MoO

Tactical Squad. 90pts.

Grey Knight Strike Squad 100

Storm Raven 200

2 Hydras

150pts

Matt.Kingsley wrote:2 Hydras

150pts

4 man termicide
4 combi meltas and a power fist 170pts

GKSS - 100
GKSS - 100

Gk Terminator Squad with all Halberds-200

SM Vindicator-115pts

Vindicare Assassin - 145 points

GK Dreadnought with 2 twin linked autocannons and psybolt -130

Mikster wrote:GK Dreadnought with 2 twin linked autocannons and psybolt -130

Talos with Chain flails 115pts

Eversor Assassin 130

Vindicare Assassin 145

Dreadnought with multi melta. 120ish points.

Whoops!

Anyway.

Furioso with Blood Fists and Magna Grapple: 140pts.

Vendetta Gunship 130

3 Attack Bikes with Multi-Meltas - 150pts

6 man squad of Long Fangs with 5 Missile Launchers.

Edit: Whoops, my bad. Thanks deadshot: 140pts.

Bane Wolf.

Cost

Broadside 70

Who cares about cost! I STILL KILL IT!

Damn you. I hate those. I just played a bunch of TFG WAAC :bleeps: today. Friendly game. 1000pts per player 2vs2. Nids and Guard vs Chaos and Tau.

We had friendly lists. Platoons, and Lord Commissar and mine ran a 3 man.Warrior Brood and Hormaguants. They spam 2 Lash Sorcerors, 9 Oblits and Plague Marines (min sized x2) with 9 Broadsides and Crisis suit spam ( What is a Fireknife config BTW).

Needless to say we lost.

Anyway, on topic

Land Speeder Storm with Multi Melta 65

I am hoping my 25
4" Flat out flr scouts and my 12" move will put me inbrange for a shot and it dies.

A fireknife is a suit with a plasma rifle and missile pod, good for high power weaponry, good against heavy infantry or light tanks.

Whirlwind - 85?

Paladin with Daemon hammer - 55

Land Speeder with MM - 60pts

3 broadsides - 210pts

22 Termagants.

50 conscripts - 200pts

30 ork boyz

Power Ranger 10000000000000000


JOKES!

Vindicator 110

Furioso with Blood Fists and Magna Grapple. 140pts

Kharn the Betrayer: 165pts

4 trueborn with 3 blasters, venom with extra splinter cannon - 170

Stormraven with Assault Cannon, Heavy Bolter and Bloodstrike Missiles. 200pts.

Hydra *3 - 225

Do they have a min range?

If so:

Commander Dante - 225.

10x Khorne Beserkers

Furioso with Blood Talons - 125

Avatar of Khaine - 155

Sternguard Veterans with 5 Combi-Plasmas - 150pts

Vendetta 130

2 Land Speeders with 2 Multi Meltas - 160pts

Just keep on going flat out :3

2 Land Speeders with 2 MMs each - 160pts

Keep on moving flat out for survivability.

Exactly a minute apart.

That's a brilliant unit! I don't know what to counter it with! Oh wait.

Scouts with Combat Blades and Bolt Pistols - 75pts

5 Scourges with 2 Haywire Blasters 130

Ravenwing Biker Squadron - 125pts

Kaldor Draigo: 275pts

/thread.

C'tan shard with Time's Arrow and Entropic Touch.....235pts
Canoptek Wraith with Whip Coils.....45pts
.....280pts

5pts more expensive, but works, try pass an initiative test at I1

^not legal sorry brutha.

Edit: wait, no it isn't, but many have done similar things through-out the thread

I think that the concept of 'beat this unit' is that you put up a single unit. Putting up more than one may eventually just lead to 'beat this list'.

Continuing from here:

JohnnoM wrote:Kaldor Draigo: 275pts

/thread.

Bit of a jump in points, but hey, Abaddon the Despoiler - 275pts

Devestator Squad with 4 Lascannon - 190pts

Rampage wrote:I think that the concept of 'beat this unit' is that you put up a single unit. Putting up more than one may eventually just lead to 'beat this list'.

Continuing from here:

JohnnoM wrote:Kaldor Draigo: 275pts

/thread.

Bit of a jump in points, but hey, Abaddon the Despoiler - 275pts

The OP says you can have multiple units, though of the same type
but through-out this thread, many have used examples like Lysander + 5 thunder hammer termies

BlapBlapBlap wrote:Devestator Squad with 4 Lascannon - 190pts

Take a Terminator Captain. Add a LC and CF. He can split his attacks between the weapons in the same phase. Add +1 base attack. His combat tactics state that everyone (including) him swap combat tactics for Furious Charge. Also, he himself gains preferred enemy against the army of the.first model he kills.in CC. So if he slew the Sgt he gains Preferred Enemy SM.

However, if he kills an Infantry unit or MC in CC he gains rage.



Tyberos the Red Wake 190

Is Tyberos immune to ID?
Archon with Huskblade + Shadowfield if not: 110
Archon with Agoniser + Shadowfield if he is: 95

He is not.

@Shadowfielder

GKSS 110pts
With Psycannon

3 Incubi in a Venom 121
Should be able to get close while shooting some of you down, then the assaulting Incubi win combat

2 Hydras 140

3 Attack Bikes with Multimeltas 150pts

Matt.Kingsley wrote:

Rampage wrote:I think that the concept of 'beat this unit' is that you put up a single unit. Putting up more than one may eventually just lead to 'beat this list'.

Continuing from here:

JohnnoM wrote:Kaldor Draigo: 275pts

/thread.

Bit of a jump in points, but hey, Abaddon the Despoiler - 275pts

The OP says you can have multiple units, though of the same type
but through-out this thread, many have used examples like Lysander + 5 thunder hammer termies

Dedrith wrote:How to play: Post a unit to beat the last unit posted

I don't think people have posted multiple units for a few pages now, but even so, that doesn't make it right. The OP actually says that you can have a unit and its transport with the exception of Land Raiders, not multiple units as far as I can see.

Carrying on, 5 Long Fangs with 4 Missile launchers - 115pts.

Dedrith wrote:
-Units can compose of 1-5 squads of the same unit, no more

Deadshot wrote:

Dedrith wrote:
-Units can compose of 1-5 squads of the same unit, no more

Ooops , my bad, I got that completely wrong, good catch Deadshot . Again . But my point still stands that it wasn't a legal entry, a Canoptek Wraith is not the same unit as a C'tan shard. Hang on, how can units comprise of 1-5 squads? Is the definition of unit an entry here? I'd always thought of a unit as something that would be considered a single kill point in a standard game of 40k.

No, the C'tan+Wraith was void, as are Lysander+Hammernators.

In this thread the unit(s) you post can be any type of squad. You can then post up to 4 more of the same squad. I believe they gain different upgrades if you want.

It was really a slight error on the OP's part but nothing to get a full discussion about.


@ Attack Bikes

10 Warrior Acolytes with Bolters
10 Warrior Acolytes with Bolters
10 Warrior Acolytes with Bolters

50pts per squad

150 for all.

Furioso with Blood Talons - 125pts

Vendetta 130

Veteran squad with 3 melta guns - 100pts

Furioso with Blood Talons - 125pts!

Try not to put in Vendetta.

MM attack bike
MM attack Bike
MM attack Bike

50pts each, 150 total.

Sternguard with 5 Combi-Meltas - 150pts

3 Predators 180

Stormraven with Multimelta and Assault Cannon - 200pts

5 da vets with combi meltas 140

What fun it it with these low point values? 3 raiders with flickerfields and shock prow. (dont have my dex on me but....) 70 per i belive- 210 (turboram you turn 1)

Wuups, beat me to the punch apparantly
20 wyches, naked and sweaty- 200

2 Thunderfire Cannons 200

Fire Tremor Shots and force DT tests.

squad of 10 deathmarks- 190
deepstrike in and rapid fire with 2+ wound.

Sternguard Veterans in Drop Pod with 5 Combi Meltas - 185pts.

Defend? I feel the deathmarks will turn that unit to paste (specially since they dont stay dead 1/3 of the time)

10 Vanilla SM scouts w/ sniper rifles and missile launchers and camo cloaks 180 points

Edit: Oh your guys have a drop pod. Sorry the scouts cant win.

Vindicare-Obsession wrote:Defend? I feel the deathmarks will turn that unit to paste (specially since they dont stay dead 1/3 of the time)

AP 3 Bolters and Wipeout. Rapid Fire too, oh my!

I think I could win...

Also, how the hell did you deep strike Deathmarks?

Anyway, to beat scouts, same unit as above.

@ Vets in Drop Pod

Stormraven Gunship with TL MM 200

Devestator Squad with 4 Missile Launchers - 130pts

BlapBlapBlap wrote:

Vindicare-Obsession wrote:Defend? I feel the deathmarks will turn that unit to paste (specially since they dont stay dead 1/3 of the time)

Also, how the hell did you deep strike Deathmarks?

Same way as always (unless gw released another stealth reprint )

Callidus to handle the dev's 145 if im not mistaken

Iornclad Dreadnought with no upgrades - 135pts

Vindicare-Obsession wrote:

BlapBlapBlap wrote:

Vindicare-Obsession wrote:Defend? I feel the deathmarks will turn that unit to paste (specially since they dont stay dead 1/3 of the time)

Also, how the hell did you deep strike Death Marks

DM are held in reserve and deep strike the moment their target enters play. Plus, he has sniper rifle bolters that hit and wound on 2+.