Gimgamgoo wrote: I know these aren't 'ancient egyptian' style, but wtf are GW on with pricing ToW?
36 GW skeleton warriors for €62,50
vs
90 skeleton warriors and a necromancer for £59
I know I'll be told, "b... bu... but... GW... better". Maybe, sometimes, but those 36 skeletons are, what, 20 years old and were condemned on release as poor as well?
These are some of my favourite fantasy models of all time. Such a good kit.
Sure they got some negative reviews online from people that have no patience, all they require is for building them in batches and let the legs/torso parts dry before you can add arms and heads to avoid them bending apart before the plastic cement has set. But its not a big a deal as some people made out.
I think that the main negative was that for some unknown reasons (like seriously why?!) feet are separate. Other than that they are one of the better looking skellies out there.
Gimgamgoo wrote: I know these aren't 'ancient egyptian' style, but wtf are GW on with pricing ToW?
36 GW skeleton warriors for €62,50
vs
90 skeleton warriors and a necromancer for £59
I know I'll be told, "b... bu... but... GW... better". Maybe, sometimes, but those 36 skeletons are, what, 20 years old and were condemned on release as poor as well?
These are some of my favourite fantasy models of all time. Such a good kit.
Sure they got some negative reviews online from people that have no patience, all they require is for building them in batches and let the legs/torso parts dry before you can add arms and heads to avoid them bending apart before the plastic cement has set. But its not a big a deal as some people made out.
The fact they are not 'Egyptian' style isn't that much of an issue when GW don't even give you enough TK heads to build whats in the starter set without using the standard skeleton heads. Just buy a single box of TK and mix and match the parts where you can. I'll be making a couple of BIG units for TKs with this kit and I'll just use the TK banner top and a champion sword for the units.
I'll be buying a few more of the warlord games sets this year, 200 skeletons is not enough!
The Warlord Games skellies look great, but they're a bit flimsy. I get nervous handling them.
GW's chunky old skellies are at least a bit more robust.
I went through an absolute money pit of skeleton kits trying to find suitable ones for classic Warhammer Quest. You need a lot (by boardgame standards) to run the Undead adventures, and no kit on the market at the time had enough bows for all the archers. After much digging and grave robbing of damaged models on eBay I ended up using Wargames Atlantic skellie bodies and heads plus Warlord Games skellie arms and bows to fill out the numbers. But the proportions didn't look quite right, so now I've circled all the way back around to GW Tomb Kings bony bowmen again. At least they have that old-school WHQ look. In the process I've accumulated enough spare skellies to do an Old World army. Well, maybe a smallish 4th ed WFB one...
On the subject of ordering TOW stuff, is anyone else still waiting on their Made to Order items from the last wave of Brets and TKs? I saw a few people got theirs promptly, but I'm still waiting for mine. I ordered toward the end of the MtO period though.
GW might have had some MtO stock already cast up and ready to go to meet the initial demand. In which case, worth keeping in mind for upcoming Made to Orders.
Yes, I am still waiting on my MTO order, it was 2 bretonnians on horses and a handful of the tomb kings on foot. Ordered about halfway through the MTO period, maybe a bit more than halfway. No sign yet.
Still waiting on the Forces of Fantasy book to become widely available. I've been able to do a couple test games (Counts vs. Brets) with some online army builders, but having an actual book for army building would be really, really nice.
Man, the new main rulebook is so much clearer and easier to read (though the constant reference to abilities that reference more abilities is annoying). I don't know why the conversational tone of 8E and prior wasn't dumped a long time ago.
Most of the excitement for the game locally has died out immediately after launch since you couldn't get anything for it, couldn't get any bases to rebase any older armies you may have had for it, and the two armies available aren't what people locally wanted.
Just on the contrary here.
I bought Beastmen at the LFGS, and also bases. Right now I'm finishing basing and staring painting. We are going to start a league locally.
Was that stuff they already had in stock though, Beastmen have their full range of Fantasy stuff as an AoS army.
My store must have been late on trying to get bases then, the only thing they have been able to get for square bases was a single pack of 30x60mm cavalry bases I immediately picked up.
The vanguard box, they had to order to GW.
Also, another guy is building warriors of chaos. IMO that's the army with the best chances right now: lots and lots of kits and nice miniatures + Warcry to customize
That is awesome! Lizardmen seem to be in a relatively good spot for getting models since they just got a fresh range for AoS that mostly works for Old World.
Feel like the Legacy armies kind of won out overall versus the Core armies for mini choice, except Warriors of Chaos like you had mentioned. Those minis look amazing.
Gallahad wrote: How exactly do I order the Knights on Foot? Or any of the Brettonian stuff? I haven't ordered from GW in years and can't seem to figure out how to buy anything?
Step 1 is waiting for the day of the preorder. Step 2, open the site before ten am local time to get a spot in the queue. Step 3, once you can finally access the site again, how to Shop > New & Exclusive and scroll down past the irrelevant items to the actual preorders.
You can practice that last bit now but the Bretonnia stuff won’t be there until Saturday.
Thank you for this. What a huge bother. I don't have time for that! I'll just look at the Brettonians from afar like I have been since I was a teen.
Most of the excitement for the game locally has died out immediately after launch since you couldn't get anything for it, couldn't get any bases to rebase any older armies you may have had for it, and the two armies available aren't what people locally wanted.
Just on the contrary here.
I bought Beastmen at the LFGS, and also bases. Right now I'm finishing basing and staring painting. We are going to start a league locally.
Was that stuff they already had in stock though, Beastmen have their full range of Fantasy stuff as an AoS army.
My store must have been late on trying to get bases then, the only thing they have been able to get for square bases was a single pack of 30x60mm cavalry bases I immediately picked up.
The vanguard box, they had to order to GW.
Also, another guy is building warriors of chaos. IMO that's the army with the best chances right now: lots and lots of kits and nice miniatures + Warcry to customize
That is awesome! Lizardmen seem to be in a relatively good spot for getting models since they just got a fresh range for AoS that mostly works for Old World.
Feel like the Legacy armies kind of won out overall versus the Core armies for mini choice, except Warriors of Chaos like you had mentioned. Those minis look amazing.
Indeed, TOW might be the best thing GW ever did for AoS given how many people have disregarded any and all concerns about legacy/legends rules and dove into the forbidden factions with AoS kits. It seems that Legacy factions have a larger player base than the Core factions do, though to some extent that might be due to non-availability of most of the Core factions model ranges.
chaos0xomega wrote: It seems that Legacy factions have a larger player base than the Core factions do, though to some extent that might be due to non-availability of most of the Core factions model ranges.
That may be part of it, but probably not as large a part as you may think. Storm of Chaos showed that there's generally a wider variety spread of the armies than 40K(even before the 14 Marine books came about). It helps that only 2 of the armies have ever been in multiple starters so there's less of a "Face of the Game" faction: Orcs and Goblins(Goblins in 4th and 7th, Orcs in 6th) and High Elves(4th and 8th).
Thing is Space Marines are both a risky marketing move (all eggs in one basket) and also something that isn't really repeated in any other wargame range.
Even when GW has tried to replicate the same marketing approach it only kind of worked in AoS. Basically Marines are an exception rather than the norm in terms of being the face of the setting. Lets not forget it wasn't just the game, BL lore and a lot of artwork very specifically focuses on the Marines. Many famous bits of Xeno art with other races are with Marines.
It both creates a focal point, but also an unhealthy balance in army popularity. Old World, AoS, etc... all tend to feature a much more broad spread of popularities and chances are it also shifts much more readily based on what got the hottest new models; the most overpowered rules; the most attention for a given period of time etc....
I figure the legacy factions have more chatter because their models are accessible through Age of Sigmar; and also because they are being "denied" by the system and thus that in itself generates more ire and chatter around them.
Furthermore main-factions that aren't yet out yet are likely stuck in a waiting pattern. People want them, but they aren't going to chat about them as much until there's a deadline and release and GW marketing behind them. Until then people into those armies can't even access models for most of the mbecaus the 2nd hand market will have skyrocketed the prices which instantly puts the dampeners on things
Green Knight returning in metal is most welcome news indeed. Have on occasion been tempted to acquire it as a painting project (of which I do admittedly not need more...), but most I found second hand were in poor state, ridiculously priced, and/or Finecast.
Will hold off on buying some other direct-only items from GW I had planned to order until seeing what pricetag they slap on him; based on other re-releases I imagine they will roll around 8 D6 and consider the sum value of those to be a reasonable price.
Comedy option, they keep it cheap so the royalty payment to Michael Perry isn't as much. I can't remember exactly when royalties ended but I wouldn't be surprised if the Bretonnian range was the tail end of it.
I wonder if TOW has brought that particular spectre to light again or if they canceled the royalty plan at some point?
Robert Facepalmer wrote: Comedy option, they keep it cheap so the royalty payment to Michael Perry isn't as much. I can't remember exactly when royalties ended but I wouldn't be surprised if the Bretonnian range was the tail end of it.
Green Knight predates the rest of the Bretonnian range, though.
Return_to_Bretonnia wrote: Just FYI, a lot of TOW items are back in stock in the UK--including the Questing Knight Paladin which had been out of stock for two months.
Was questing knight paladin even out before TOW was released?
In spite of not being up on the Warcom article this past Sunday the Bretonnian Field Trebuchet is on the NZ pre orders. No sign of the bone giant for TK players though.
The Knights Errant building 12 for a single box is perhaps one of the best value cavalry units GW has done since until now its been 3 with metal and plastic (same horses) for the same price for Brets and 5 cavalry for most other boxed set releases GW has done. So that's a nice treat considering that Knights Errant/Realm are the core of the army.
Well, it looks like the Goose preview was for a Gnome Blood Bowl team. Of all bizarre random things they could release, I didn't have Gnomes on my list.
We've not heard anything of the goblin release since the first news - and we just had a big Old World bunch of models with the Brets and TK getting updates. So I figure we'll see Goblins at best next month or the month after. Hopefully next month
There a still models for Bretonnia and Tomb Kings to be released. Casket of Souls, Bone Giant, Duke on Pegasus, Men at arms, peasant bowmen and Elisse Duchaard spring to mind. O&G seems to be at least a month away.
They spoiled them VERY early, though i imagine the Red Sea problems also mess with shipments from China and as a result with the release schedule.
Yeah I'm also eagerly waiting for the new maiden on unicorn resin model to appear for Brets.
I figure GW did want to spoil what faction(s) were next after these first two - Old World is abnormal in that its a game releasing into a mature market rather than a virgin game releasing into a fresh market. It's a little like Dystopian Wars doing the same thing in that there's already fans for set factions and they want their stuff and many already have a bunch of it and want to get going with the playing and expanding of their armies.
it's getting rough out there. One of my groups pledged hard on Epic Warpath by mantic, the 12mm sci fi KS recently.
I went in too. Waiting to pay MSRP for imperialis has not been fun, as the webstore has been getting priority over stores.
As for Old World to stay on topic, I want to do Orcs and Goblins but players are drifting due to opponents waiting.
I'm Trying the game for the first time in 2 weeks w/ some make-shift and cobbled together warriros of chaos, but paying
$40 for conversion trays (they are round based) just to play an army I'm not favoring is impacting my frustration.
I just want to roll dice in the Old World.
Well, there were dwarves who couldn't and still can't take wizards, and a couple other factions who could get by with only lvl1s and 2s (iirc ogres didn't often take 3s/4s), but on the whole yes a 3 or 4 was considered mandatory for most.
I can't help but feel that they've spoiled O&G far too early. There is nothing Old World related going on pre-order next weekend and we know that there are still a few TK and Bret models to be released. So we're looking at an O&G release of half april-ish at the earliest, more like to be late april early may though. At this rate it'll take more than two years to release all the armies.
Now, before anyone is going to vicously maul me again for being stupid because this is a secondary game and they have so much other stuff to release, i understand that. But i find it a bit hard to swallow how long it takes them to release this stuff. Sure, older models have had to be reworked to be released today, but they are still old models that already exist. Freshly designed stuff is sparse.
I don't care about there being so few new things, but you would think that they could speed up the release somewhat. Especially with there being no way to get GW models outside of the release armies for now. I can't imagine them sabotaging their own game, but to me it still feels that is exactly what they're doing.
JWh85 wrote: I can't help but feel that they've spoiled O&G far too early. There is nothing Old World related going on pre-order next weekend and we know that there are still a few TK and Bret models to be released. So we're looking at an O&G release of half april-ish at the earliest, more like to be late april early may though. At this rate it'll take more than two years to release all the armies.
Now, before anyone is going to vicously maul me again for being stupid because this is a secondary game and they have so much other stuff to release, i understand that. But i find it a bit hard to swallow how long it takes them to release this stuff. Sure, older models have had to be reworked to be released today, but they are still old models that already exist. Freshly designed stuff is sparse.
I don't care about there being so few new things, but you would think that they could speed up the release somewhat. Especially with there being no way to get GW models outside of the release armies for now. I can't imagine them sabotaging their own game, but to me it still feels that is exactly what they're doing.
They've also got backlogs of NuEpic stuff to catch up with, so I think GW's just got too much of everything at the moment!
JWh85 wrote: I can't help but feel that they've spoiled O&G far too early. There is nothing Old World related going on pre-order next weekend and we know that there are still a few TK and Bret models to be released. So we're looking at an O&G release of half april-ish at the earliest, more like to be late april early may though. At this rate it'll take more than two years to release all the armies.
Now, before anyone is going to vicously maul me again for being stupid because this is a secondary game and they have so much other stuff to release, i understand that. But i find it a bit hard to swallow how long it takes them to release this stuff. Sure, older models have had to be reworked to be released today, but they are still old models that already exist. Freshly designed stuff is sparse.
I don't care about there being so few new things, but you would think that they could speed up the release somewhat. Especially with there being no way to get GW models outside of the release armies for now. I can't imagine them sabotaging their own game, but to me it still feels that is exactly what they're doing.
They've also got backlogs of NuEpic stuff to catch up with, so I think GW's just got too much of everything at the moment!
I know! Feels like they've bitten off more than they can chew.
Shrapnelsmile wrote: Listening to the SquareBased podcast, I've learned that taking a level 3 or 4 wizard is absolutely essential.
Has that not always been the way?
quite likely. I Only had a few games of 8th as the span of my WFB experience.
It was less important in 8th because anyone could throw six dice at a Purple Sun. In 6th/7th wizards generated dice based on their level and could throw a max of Level + 1 at a spell.
It doesn't matter how much work has to be done *designing* the models if, as has been suggested, GW doesn't have enough production capacity to manufacture sufficient quantities.
Return_to_Bretonnia wrote: It doesn't matter how much work has to be done *designing* the models if, as has been suggested, GW doesn't have enough production capacity to manufacture sufficient quantities.
New models or old is irrelevant.
Fair enough. But if you're already having trouble keeping up with demand, why launch a new/old game that is incredibly model-intensive? Why not wait for a bit?
In fact, they made it so model intensive themselves by announcing the release of all those old models. They could have easily split-used the plastic stone trolls or used the plastic giant instead of bringing back the marauder one. It just feels like a bunch of weird business decisions.
Return_to_Bretonnia wrote: It doesn't matter how much work has to be done *designing* the models if, as has been suggested, GW doesn't have enough production capacity to manufacture sufficient quantities.
New models or old is irrelevant.
GW should know what their capacity is and what they can do and what not
so they made the decision to add 2 new games that both needs production capacity to get things done as there is no stock available to compensate like with games that already exists and just get a new Edition
if GW does not have enough production capacity to produce enough stock for 2 new games, they should not have released 2 new games at the same time but rather kept them a year or 2 apart
so someone there must have thought that releasing things now is the better option and here it gets interesting because releasing 2 new games in the back of a new 40k Edition which is a year were production is already at limits, instead of the year of the AoS Edition or the year were no mainline game gets a new Edition, would mean that they have something else that is seen as a bigger seller than LI and TOW planned for 2025
Return_to_Bretonnia wrote: It doesn't matter how much work has to be done *designing* the models if, as has been suggested, GW doesn't have enough production capacity to manufacture sufficient quantities.
New models or old is irrelevant.
GW should know what their capacity is and what they can do and what not
so they made the decision to add 2 new games that both needs production capacity to get things done as there is no stock available to compensate like with games that already exists and just get a new Edition
if GW does not have enough production capacity to produce enough stock for 2 new games, they should not have released 2 new games at the same time but rather kept them a year or 2 apart
so someone there must have thought that releasing things now is the better option and here it gets interesting because releasing 2 new games in the back of a new 40k Edition which is a year were production is already at limits, instead of the year of the AoS Edition or the year were no mainline game gets a new Edition, would mean that they have something else that is seen as a bigger seller than LI and TOW planned for 2025
People were being impatient about old worlds release, so there was some pressure to get it out there. We know LI had some issues due to the rulebook at first printing which caused them to fall over their own feet a little and hurt that game.
Ultimately they will know how much they can make, they know it might be less than what they can sell, but they'll make enough to be happy with the returns on what they do make. Hence the happily growing profits.
I'd wager if they get more production capacity this will all ease off but the company is consistently doing better each year whilst running at below required production, they're not hurting because of this. Conversely it's a big confidence boost for their share holders if there is always stuff being released, new product to tempt sales etc. regardless if they produce enough for everyone, as long as they produce enough that will sell and balance the forecasts.
I would rather they get the information out soon than later. Dumping it just before preorders is asinine. I'd like to be able to plan my purchases with as much lead time as I can get.
What would even be better would be if they would show us a 6 month or so roadmap for what's coming for each line.
Of course, with the distribution issues they've apparently been having, I'm not sure even they know what's coming when.
Return_to_Bretonnia wrote: It doesn't matter how much work has to be done *designing* the models if, as has been suggested, GW doesn't have enough production capacity to manufacture sufficient quantities.
New models or old is irrelevant.
GW should know what their capacity is and what they can do and what not
so they made the decision to add 2 new games that both needs production capacity to get things done as there is no stock available to compensate like with games that already exists and just get a new Edition
if GW does not have enough production capacity to produce enough stock for 2 new games, they should not have released 2 new games at the same time but rather kept them a year or 2 apart
so someone there must have thought that releasing things now is the better option and here it gets interesting because releasing 2 new games in the back of a new 40k Edition which is a year were production is already at limits, instead of the year of the AoS Edition or the year were no mainline game gets a new Edition, would mean that they have something else that is seen as a bigger seller than LI and TOW planned for 2025
People were being impatient about old worlds release, so there was some pressure to get it out there. We know LI had some issues due to the rulebook at first printing which caused them to fall over their own feet a little and hurt that game.
Ultimately they will know how much they can make, they know it might be less than what they can sell, but they'll make enough to be happy with the returns on what they do make. Hence the happily growing profits.
I'd wager if they get more production capacity this will all ease off but the company is consistently doing better each year whilst running at below required production, they're not hurting because of this. Conversely it's a big confidence boost for their share holders if there is always stuff being released, new product to tempt sales etc. regardless if they produce enough for everyone, as long as they produce enough that will sell and balance the forecasts.
Not hurting *yet*. It will frustrate people when they can't get the stuff they want. For example, my FLGS still hasn't received most FEC models and I'm still waiting for my Ushoran. I can't really aquire any of the fw resin brets without going through some hoops and even then I am hard pressed to find the questing knight paladin.Those kind of things rankle and will eventually turn people (and LGS...my store is getting pretty miffed about all the delays and limited stock) off. It can't be a healthy mode of operations in the long run; it's just not a very sustainable business model.
People were being impatient about old worlds release, so there was some pressure to get it out there. We know LI had some issues due to the rulebook at first printing which caused them to fall over their own feet a little and hurt that game.
Ultimately they will know how much they can make, they know it might be less than what they can sell, but they'll make enough to be happy with the returns on what they do make. Hence the happily growing profits.
I'd wager if they get more production capacity this will all ease off but the company is consistently doing better each year whilst running at below required production, they're not hurting because of this. Conversely it's a big confidence boost for their share holders if there is always stuff being released, new product to tempt sales etc. regardless if they produce enough for everyone, as long as they produce enough that will sell and balance the forecasts.
So for LI the situation would have been much worse if the game released at the initial date because it would have been more time between the first release and supplement with the same amount of boxes available but for a longer time period
and the pressure to release TOW is there since they first announced it and them missing the window of the anniversary at the beginning of 2024 is still no good reason to release LI, TOW and 40k in the same years
what pressure was there to have LI released in 2024 instead of 2025, except someone messed up the planning 2 years ago
a fantasy side game in the year of 40k and a scifi side game in the year of AoS would have made much more sense over releasing both side games in the same year
and we don't know if this is going to hurt, as GW lives from their reputation to support games and people are rather angry at shops and other people than GW but their own marketing has build up certain expectations what "support" means and if GW cannot keep that up they it will hurt them unless they change (and if they go back into killing any game they are not able to "support" this will backfire much more than in the past)
People were being impatient about old worlds release, so there was some pressure to get it out there. We know LI had some issues due to the rulebook at first printing which caused them to fall over their own feet a little and hurt that game.
Ultimately they will know how much they can make, they know it might be less than what they can sell, but they'll make enough to be happy with the returns on what they do make. Hence the happily growing profits.
I'd wager if they get more production capacity this will all ease off but the company is consistently doing better each year whilst running at below required production, they're not hurting because of this. Conversely it's a big confidence boost for their share holders if there is always stuff being released, new product to tempt sales etc. regardless if they produce enough for everyone, as long as they produce enough that will sell and balance the forecasts.
So for LI the situation would have been much worse if the game released at the initial date because it would have been more time between the first release and supplement with the same amount of boxes available but for a longer time period
and the pressure to release TOW is there since they first announced it and them missing the window of the anniversary at the beginning of 2024 is still no good reason to release LI, TOW and 40k in the same years
what pressure was there to have LI released in 2024 instead of 2025, except someone messed up the planning 2 years ago
a fantasy side game in the year of 40k and a scifi side game in the year of AoS would have made much more sense over releasing both side games in the same year
and we don't know if this is going to hurt, as GW lives from their reputation to support games and people are rather angry at shops and other people than GW but their own marketing has build up certain expectations what "support" means and if GW cannot keep that up they it will hurt them unless they change (and if they go back into killing any game they are not able to "support" this will backfire much more than in the past)
Return_to_Bretonnia wrote: It doesn't matter how much work has to be done *designing* the models if, as has been suggested, GW doesn't have enough production capacity to manufacture sufficient quantities.
New models or old is irrelevant.
GW should know what their capacity is and what they can do and what not
so they made the decision to add 2 new games that both needs production capacity to get things done as there is no stock available to compensate like with games that already exists and just get a new Edition
if GW does not have enough production capacity to produce enough stock for 2 new games, they should not have released 2 new games at the same time but rather kept them a year or 2 apart
so someone there must have thought that releasing things now is the better option and here it gets interesting because releasing 2 new games in the back of a new 40k Edition which is a year were production is already at limits, instead of the year of the AoS Edition or the year were no mainline game gets a new Edition, would mean that they have something else that is seen as a bigger seller than LI and TOW planned for 2025
People were being impatient about old worlds release, so there was some pressure to get it out there. We know LI had some issues due to the rulebook at first printing which caused them to fall over their own feet a little and hurt that game.
Ultimately they will know how much they can make, they know it might be less than what they can sell, but they'll make enough to be happy with the returns on what they do make. Hence the happily growing profits.
I'd wager if they get more production capacity this will all ease off but the company is consistently doing better each year whilst running at below required production, they're not hurting because of this. Conversely it's a big confidence boost for their share holders if there is always stuff being released, new product to tempt sales etc. regardless if they produce enough for everyone, as long as they produce enough that will sell and balance the forecasts.
Not hurting *yet*. It will frustrate people when they can't get the stuff they want. For example, my FLGS still hasn't received most FEC models and I'm still waiting for my Ushoran. I can't really aquire any of the fw resin brets without going through some hoops and even then I am hard pressed to find the questing knight paladin.Those kind of things rankle and will eventually turn people (and LGS...my store is getting pretty miffed about all the delays and limited stock) off. It can't be a healthy mode of operations in the long run; it's just not a very sustainable business model.
Applying some logic, it's not nice for us as consumers or for those who are frustrated, but this is still fine. The people annoyed they can't get into a game maybe won't, but the point is those who did are still likely to pick up the supporting products and subsequent releases.
In the short term there is annoyance because people are desperate to buy product, some of that will be self inflicted via scarcity, wanting it because it isn't there. Otherwise it shows a hunger for those games and irrespective if those people stopped, they sold enough to be happy with their recoup.
GW is in a lovely spot now in that regard, again it sucks for us, but for their bean counters this is pure luxury.
TOW probably had to be released now, despite problems with capacity, because a bean counter decided it had been in development long enough and needed to start making some money back.
Sometimes a bad launch is thought to be better than no launch at all. Even if it's just cutting their losses and releasing what they have.
of course it is good for GW, and if they are just focusing on the best way to make more money quickly, we are going to see a 2nd Edition at the end of the year that replaces the current rulebook for an updated one (better written as per request with enough changes to make the current one obsolete) and the forces book with army books, giving a hint that they can better keep up with demand that way and people will cheer for it
Return_to_Bretonnia wrote: TOW probably had to be released now, despite problems with capacity, because a bean counter decided it had been in development long enough and needed to start making some money back.
Sometimes a bad launch is thought to be better than no launch at all. Even if it's just cutting their losses and releasing what they have.
If I had £1 for every time someone wrongly ascribed a decision that's made by management to being made by bean counters...... I could afford at least another half dozen GW armies
Baragash wrote: If I had £1 for every time someone wrongly ascribed a decision that's made by management to being made by bean counters...... I could afford at least another half dozen GW armies
IMO management *are* the bean counters in the upper echelons of the company who make the final decisions. They're the people who decide how much time and money can be spent on XYZ project, what has been in development long enough, what should be cancelled, etc. etc.
Thats not even a matter of opinion, its a matter of fact. The modern corporate standard is that the Finance department (i.e. bean counters) basically runs the business. They are the ones that give executive leadership their best advice on a coming year and the associated financial forecasts, which is then typically either slightly adjusted or rubber stamped to achieve the executives vision and goals. Then that becomes a budget, which then flows down through the organization in terms of how many people are to be employed by the organization, how much they get paid, how much overtime they can work how much material they can purchase and how much labor they can bill to a charge code, etc. etc. etc. A project is budgeted, its expenditures tracked and measured (i.e. the beans counted), and that data is used to dictate and determine how the business proceeds. Of course, "management" will get a say, but often managements decisions are filtered through the realm of finance - "this project is over budget and behind schedule" is what "management" is informed of. Managements job is then to determine how to move forward with that project that puts it back on schedule and recovers budget - like launching something early or modifying its scope to be less of a resource drain, etc.
Bean counters and management are pretty much synonymous, they are an intertwined, interlinked, multi-headed hydra that exists in symbiosis with eachother.
it's getting rough out there. One of my groups pledged hard on Epic Warpath by mantic, the 12mm sci fi KS recently.
I went in too. Waiting to pay MSRP for imperialis has not been fun, as the webstore has been getting priority over stores.
As for Old World to stay on topic, I want to do Orcs and Goblins but players are drifting due to opponents waiting.
I'm Trying the game for the first time in 2 weeks w/ some make-shift and cobbled together warriros of chaos, but paying
$40 for conversion trays (they are round based) just to play an army I'm not favoring is impacting my frustration.
I just want to roll dice in the Old World.
Did you know that you can make movement trays yourself out of a great variety of materials & for dirt cheap?
it's getting rough out there. One of my groups pledged hard on Epic Warpath by mantic, the 12mm sci fi KS recently.
I went in too. Waiting to pay MSRP for imperialis has not been fun, as the webstore has been getting priority over stores.
As for Old World to stay on topic, I want to do Orcs and Goblins but players are drifting due to opponents waiting.
I'm Trying the game for the first time in 2 weeks w/ some make-shift and cobbled together warriros of chaos, but paying
$40 for conversion trays (they are round based) just to play an army I'm not favoring is impacting my frustration.
I just want to roll dice in the Old World.
Did you know that you can make movement trays yourself out of a great variety of materials & for dirt cheap?
I got my email notification for 30x60 bases being back in stock and tried to buy them 25 minutes after the email was sent out. They are out of stock already.
nathan2004 wrote: Wonder what the preview will be at Adepticon next week? Probably Dwarves...
Yep, unless they held something back for O&G. Not expecting much new stuff beyond a resin or two- probably the lord on Shieldbearers. Hoping for some cool legacy models as MTO - Colin Dixon[RIP] Longbeards, Miners and Warmachines.
ph34r wrote: I got my email notification for 30x60 bases being back in stock and tried to buy them 25 minutes after the email was sent out. They are out of stock already.
ph34r wrote: I got my email notification for 30x60 bases being back in stock and tried to buy them 25 minutes after the email was sent out. They are out of stock already.
ph34r wrote: I got my email notification for 30x60 bases being back in stock and tried to buy them 25 minutes after the email was sent out. They are out of stock already.
it's getting rough out there. One of my groups pledged hard on Epic Warpath by mantic, the 12mm sci fi KS recently.
I went in too. Waiting to pay MSRP for imperialis has not been fun, as the webstore has been getting priority over stores.
As for Old World to stay on topic, I want to do Orcs and Goblins but players are drifting due to opponents waiting.
I'm Trying the game for the first time in 2 weeks w/ some make-shift and cobbled together warriros of chaos, but paying
$40 for conversion trays (they are round based) just to play an army I'm not favoring is impacting my frustration.
I just want to roll dice in the Old World.
Did you know that you can make movement trays yourself out of a great variety of materials & for dirt cheap?
Oh the $40 was for printed trays from a company so I can play. I could do the home crafted route, but I think my opponent will appreciate the proper size and I needed quite an array.
it's getting rough out there. One of my groups pledged hard on Epic Warpath by mantic, the 12mm sci fi KS recently.
I went in too. Waiting to pay MSRP for imperialis has not been fun, as the webstore has been getting priority over stores.
As for Old World to stay on topic, I want to do Orcs and Goblins but players are drifting due to opponents waiting.
I'm Trying the game for the first time in 2 weeks w/ some make-shift and cobbled together warriros of chaos, but paying
$40 for conversion trays (they are round based) just to play an army I'm not favoring is impacting my frustration.
I just want to roll dice in the Old World.
Did you know that you can make movement trays yourself out of a great variety of materials & for dirt cheap?
Oh the $40 was for printed trays from a company so I can play. I could do the home crafted route, but I think my opponent will appreciate the proper size and I needed quite an array.
I've found that by using a basic 12" ruler & material of my choice that I can produce all the proper size movement trays I want/need.....
Spaced movement trays are handy and they can match the unit spacing exactly with no extra lip. There's some companies that laser cut them, which is where I got some.
ph34r wrote: I got my email notification for 30x60 bases being back in stock and tried to buy them 25 minutes after the email was sent out. They are out of stock already.
I managed to get an order in.
But!
I also ordered some when they were available two or three weeks ago - also for about an hour only. Just to receive a mail from GW two days ago that my order was cancelled due to the items not being in stock. I have no idea what took them two weeks for that realisation, but I guess their online shop is messed up on both ends.
made all sorts of stuff from them, 15mm scale minefields, razor wire, bits for a 40k missile launcher. wonderful source of decent thickness plastic and not an unreasonable price
Scottywan82 wrote: I really hope so. I want the Empire terrain so much. And the Warscryer Citadel.
It would be great if they also stocked up on the exelent middle-earth terrain.
But ofcourse, the nostalgia terrain would be sweet. I would really like that old square watch tower.
ph34r wrote: I got my email notification for 30x60 bases being back in stock and tried to buy them 25 minutes after the email was sent out. They are out of stock already.
Well, looks like we're only going to get one army at a time every couple of months. I wonder how long until High Elves and/or Wood Elves?
Has the UK not changed to daylight time yet? Or is the website just staying on GMT? I was looking for the new stuff an hour ago because we sprung ahead last weekend here in the US.
ETA: Huh, well it's *still* not up on the front page of the WarComm website. I just followed the link from the email they sent me.
SgtEeveell wrote: Well, looks like we're only going to get one army at a time every couple of months. I wonder how long until High Elves and/or Wood Elves?
Has the UK not changed to daylight time yet? Or is the website just staying on GMT? I was looking for the new stuff an hour ago because we sprung ahead last weekend here in the US.
ETA: Huh, well it's *still* not up on the front page of the WarComm website. I just followed the link from the email they sent me.
I find it by going to 'latest news and features' and then the 'all news tab'.
We've got another couple of weeks before summer time here in the UK.
SgtEeveell wrote: Well, looks like we're only going to get one army at a time every couple of months. I wonder how long until High Elves and/or Wood Elves?
Has the UK not changed to daylight time yet? Or is the website just staying on GMT? I was looking for the new stuff an hour ago because we sprung ahead last weekend here in the US.
ETA: Huh, well it's *still* not up on the front page of the WarComm website. I just followed the link from the email they sent me.
We switch to daylight time at 1am on the 31st. It's always last Sunday of March for us.
That's a BIG release of Ork and Goblin stuff in one go - if each Old World release is that big then at least we can envision the armies being pretty fast at hitting tabletop once they get their release slot
Shakalooloo wrote:Not yet. I don't know where GW intend them to be placed, since all the shields have moulded detail. Maybe they're tiny tattoos?
Probably a couple of big ones for the banners but the numbers suggest something for the infantry. I think maybe one or two shields have a somewhat flat side but most of them are unsuited for transfers. Are we getting new shields?
Overread wrote:That's a BIG release of Ork and Goblin stuff in one go - if each Old World release is that big then at least we can envision the armies being pretty fast at hitting tabletop once they get their release slot
And this isn't even all of it, is it? I'm missing the 4:th edition Wyvern and Giant. Plastic Wolfriders, Boarboys, Black Orcs, Night Goblins etc...
The O&G release seems to have been delayed from the original schedule. Some of the items previewed for next week were said to be coming "later" originally. Suggests that things were meant to release faster
Goblins have always been my number one warhammer obsession, I have almost everything here already but this is still going to financially cripple me.
There is a couple of minis that have eluded me on ebays hunts finally coming back (one of those wolf rider champions for some reason has been like gold dust) and there is no way I can pass up the chance to add another 25 bases of snotlings, a few more wolf chariots, and then finally collect enough of the chariot standard bearers to have that full unit of properly converted Black Gobbos!
SgtEeveell wrote: Well, looks like we're only going to get one army at a time every couple of months. I wonder how long until High Elves and/or Wood Elves?
The longer a game goes without Elves, the better it will be.
I'm shocked by the accompanying release of older big 'uns! Ugh, I'm gonna lose so much money to this release lol. Glad I waited on getting a rock lobba for my 6th ed army because all the ones on ebay have been pretty steep.
I don’t really know what I'll need these snotlings for in my 40K Orks army... but I need them. Might also take the pumpwagon as some kind of buggy and a Rock lobba as mek gun...
Lets not forget the FW stuff back when Old World was around was basically hived off on the separate FW website and mostly still hidden under the whole "with opponents permission" and "rules in expansion books" kind of thing.
For the most part it was cool stuff, but I think less accepted in some ways than the 40K.
Fast forward and now all that is gone away and the FW stuff is getting core rulebook rules and is sold right alongside the regular. This should see it become way more common and popular.
Honestly its a good direction and makes me wonder if next edition of 40K, GW will just put ALL the rules in the codex. The rules are already in the app right alongside for most of the models
nathan2004 wrote:Yeah but I don’t recall anyone playing it outside of storms or magic (apoc for old fantasy). Same for troll hag. Curious to see what both do.
Love those ogres.
Allegedly it doesn't have any special rules, it's just an another troll. Probably the same with the Giant.
“The second, the Bonegrinder Giant, is a towering model with an awesome profile to match, detailed in the new Arcane Journal.”
“Her hulking miniature – sculpted in Forge World resin – reflects her in-game prowess in the new Arcane Journal, and she’s a must-pick for any Troll-centric horde.” -about the Hag
Sounds like they have different profiles, the bonegrinder did in old fantasy so hoping it’s different. Could just be GW fishing for sales so I’m not ruling out what you’re saying.
bong264 wrote:I'm shocked by the accompanying release of older big 'uns! Ugh, I'm gonna lose so much money to this release lol. Glad I waited on getting a rock lobba for my 6th ed army because all the ones on ebay have been pretty steep.
I think the cutoff is something like "Any Brian Nelson orcs are in, no matter how old. Kev Adams orcs are out."
semajnollissor wrote:So I guess the marauder giant will be later?
They did specifically mention that it was going to be re-released.
The Marauder Giant is going to be a Made To Order release.
With the two week pre-order time, O&G hit the first weekend of April, so almost exactly three months after TOW went up. So "one army every three months" might be the schedule to expect from now on. Adepticon just might show off the Dwarf release.
Looking forward to spend a lot of money on these. Curious to see if the Bonegrinder will be cheaper than the big AoS giants. Similar for the Troll Hag - that AoS trollking is a great standin.
Darnok wrote: With the two week pre-order time, O&G hit the first weekend of April, so almost exactly three months after TOW went up. So "one army every three months" might be the schedule to expect from now on. Adepticon just might show off the Dwarf release.
Looking forward to spend a lot of money on these. Curious to see if the Bonegrinder will be cheaper than the big AoS giants. Similar for the Troll Hag - that AoS trollking is a great standin.
I love the idea of a troll list, but for the most part I absolutely destest almost everything Trish Carden has produced at gw. The hag is a prime example. I always thought her sculpts stood out like a sore thumb, especially during the latter days of warhammer, with the chimera being a main offender. I still can't believe it was released at the same time as the cockatrice!
I'll use my Trugg model. It's a bit busy, but I like it much better.
I also have a Warstomper Gargant or whatever it's called as my bonegrinder already. It may be a tiny bit smaller, but I absolutely love that model. I don't like the old bonegrinder. The head feels very off to me.
About the rest...I've got pretty much everything. I would like some more common goblins, but assembling the old plastic set did not leave pleasant memories.
I want the book and probably the black orc big boss, but as the book will probably be the only thing my LGS will be able to get, that will be it for me.
Darnok wrote: With the two week pre-order time, O&G hit the first weekend of April, so almost exactly three months after TOW went up. So "one army every three months" might be the schedule to expect from now on. Adepticon just might show off the Dwarf release.
so we would look at end of next year for the initial core factions and anything after that (Cathay/Kislev, Armybooks, 2nd Edi) being early 2026
€130 for the Battalion seems an awful lot, until you split it into the 4 units making it €32.50 for each unit and even less if you can get them with discount. Not actually too far off what they were when first released.
Its still a little steep for what is 20-30 year old models, I'm sure in the grand scheme of things they are making a huge profit and massively overcharging. But whatever. I'll be happy enough to bulk buy wolf riders again and finally get the last couple of hundred I need to finally have Grom make his march on Ulthuan and play those big games I always wanted to do (but was too sensible to do).
€130 for the Battalion seems an awful lot, until you split it into the 4 units making it €32.50 for each unit and even less if you can get them with discount. Not actually too far off what they were when first released.
Its still a little steep for what is 20-30 year old models, I'm sure in the grand scheme of things they are making a huge profit and massively overcharging. But whatever. I'll be happy enough to bulk buy wolf riders again and finally get the last couple of hundred I need to finally have Grom make his march on Ulthuan and play those big games I always wanted to do (but was too sensible to do).
130€ for 71 GW models, you won't get cheaper than that nowadays. Personally would have expected much more, but maybe because I like these Orks so much .
€130 for the Battalion seems an awful lot, until you split it into the 4 units making it €32.50 for each unit and even less if you can get them with discount. Not actually too far off what they were when first released.
Its still a little steep for what is 20-30 year old models, I'm sure in the grand scheme of things they are making a huge profit and massively overcharging. But whatever. I'll be happy enough to bulk buy wolf riders again and finally get the last couple of hundred I need to finally have Grom make his march on Ulthuan and play those big games I always wanted to do (but was too sensible to do).
130€ for 71 GW models, you won't get cheaper than that nowadays. Personally would have expected much more, but maybe because I like these Orks so much .
71 miniatures for 130 euro's is great for GW!
130 for 71 miniatures that were released around 2000 (three years earlier than the Bretonnians, which was a whole lot in the advancement of sculting techniques) is not.
I also find very little in the box to recommend to others: you can't play it out of the box as you get 0 characters (and don't tell me that you can build one out of a command sprue: they could've easily packed in the plastic orc commander but chose not to), there are no new models and there are no newer regiments like black orcs or boar boys to catch your eye. Exactly none of those models are fun to put together or paint. I painted and assembled a lot of those plastic orcs and goblins in my time and non of the time spent to do that would i call 'fun'. Those man-at-arms, bowmen and KOTR have a lot of character; these models have almost non of it.
I also wouldn't like normal goblins over night goblins in my starter box, as night goblins and their characters have a large nummer of cool upgrades and unlock some cool units like the mangler.
I love O&G passionately and even I think that this box would be just about the most miserable way to start the hobby. I have great difficulty trying to think of a less attractive starter set for an O&G army.
If it would've been a great deal, let's say 100 euro's, it might have passed as ok. Now it's just a massive 'meh'.
I love that warhammer is back; I've always continued to play 8th edition and never made the transition to AOS. I'm often one to give GW the benefit of the doubt, but this is just a crap deal.
I like the ogres. I might have to overcome my distaste for metal models and ludicrous prices. Then again I have yet to do so for Ushabti.
Overread wrote: Lets not forget the FW stuff back when Old World was around was basically hived off on the separate FW website and mostly still hidden under the whole "with opponents permission" and "rules in expansion books" kind of thing.
For the most part it was cool stuff, but I think less accepted in some ways than the 40K.
Fast forward and now all that is gone away and the FW stuff is getting core rulebook rules and is sold right alongside the regular. This should see it become way more common and popular.
Honestly its a good direction and makes me wonder if next edition of 40K, GW will just put ALL the rules in the codex. The rules are already in the app right alongside for most of the models
Bear in mind that Old World is a Forge World game now, unlike Fantasy of yore. There really shouldn't be a reason not to have old Fantasy units and Forge World units all in the same army list.
That doesn't have to mean anything for 40k which was, is and will remain mainline.
Geifer wrote: I like the ogres. I might have to overcome my distaste for metal models and ludicrous prices. Then again I have yet to do so for Ushabti.
Overread wrote: Lets not forget the FW stuff back when Old World was around was basically hived off on the separate FW website and mostly still hidden under the whole "with opponents permission" and "rules in expansion books" kind of thing.
For the most part it was cool stuff, but I think less accepted in some ways than the 40K.
Fast forward and now all that is gone away and the FW stuff is getting core rulebook rules and is sold right alongside the regular. This should see it become way more common and popular.
Honestly its a good direction and makes me wonder if next edition of 40K, GW will just put ALL the rules in the codex. The rules are already in the app right alongside for most of the models
Bear in mind that Old World is a Forge World game now, unlike Fantasy of yore. There really shouldn't be a reason not to have old Fantasy units and Forge World units all in the same army list.
That doesn't have to mean anything for 40k which was, is and will remain mainline.
True, but now GW are selling the FW right alongside the regular on the main store and many of the FW models (barring super titans) are appearing in the app alongside regular units.
So whilst the Hiroduels are not in the Codex, they are basically front and centre everywhere else for Tyranids that customers and gamers will interact with.
So I suspect the shift was after the Codex were written that GW decided to just close FW as a separate wing and blend it into the main-line.
Which is why I wonder if we'll see it sneak into latter edition codex or into the next edition.
This assumes GW doesn't replace FW resin with Plastic versions of some models, but that's always an if situation and caan take utterly years to manifest.
Only kit I'd rather have seen more than these brought back would have been the 6th edition night goblin kit, as they are getting more expensive to pick up in the last year. They've jumped from €50 brand new sealed to €70 almost new and I'm not paying that when I want to hack them to pieces for conversions.
Only kit I'd rather have seen more than these brought back would have been the 6th edition night goblin kit, as they are getting more expensive to pick up in the last year. They've jumped from €50 brand new sealed to €70 almost new and I'm not paying that when I want to hack them to pieces for conversions.
To each their own. I've always hated those kits. The proportions were really weird, as they were as tall as humans but their heads were twice as big. I've also found them very much unfun to put together. The later (current AOS) night goblins were much better proportioned and I thought they had more character.
These Orcs are still the ones' that work the same like the 40K boyz, though, aren't they? And the 40K boyz kit is better than their newer brothers from 2 years ago.
GW wants you to pay 35€ for 11 40K boyz, and 60€ for 30 Warhammer boyz that are of a similar quality. That's... okay for me. I don't need 30 of them, though, rather just 10 for some conversions.
I could draw a similar comparison between those goblins and grotz, but the grots kit has quite some variation and if GW hadn't raised their price madly within the last 4 years it'd still be a great kit. Those goblins are rather bland though.
All i can say is that most Ironjaw models look leeps and bounds better than the 24 year old orc boys imo, even if their styling isn't really to my liking.
Sure, the prices have been insanely inflated and you get less models for your money in an AOS box (i also believe you need less models in that game compared to warhammer), but I would gladly pay more to get better models.
That being said, i can still get 20 'Gloomspite Gitz', or night goblins to you and me, for the same price as a unit of goblins in the box cost, and i'll take those any day over those ancient normal gobs.
Again, that's just my personal take on it. I also much prefer the new AOS wolfriders to the old ones with the 30 year old plastic wolves, so what do i know?
All i can say is that most Ironjaw models look leeps and bounds better than the 24 year old orc boys imo, even if their styling isn't really to my liking.
Sure, the prices have been insanely inflated and you get less models for your money in an AOS box (i also believe you need less models in that game compared to warhammer), but I would gladly pay more to get better models.
That being said, i can still get 20 'Gloomspite Gitz', or night goblins to you and me, for the same price as a unit of goblins in the box cost, and i'll take those any day over those ancient normal gobs.
Again, that's just my personal take on it. I also much prefer the new AOS wolfriders to the old ones with the 30 year old plastic wolves, so what do i know?
Partly a question of taste of course. I agree with you on the Wolf riders. And I think GWs old Boars look really terrible, as we can see in the chariot.
Concerning Iron Jawz, though... they replaced the Black orks kit with them and I compared the sprues and IIRC the old kit had more options and more different weapons than the new one and the new one is much more expensive. So, personally, when they announced the new ironjawz I immediately ordered one of the old kits and don't intend to get one of the new ones .
Not sure I wanted to defend the old Goblins because you can get better stuff from Mantic or shieldwolf, but I stand by my statement that it's a decent price - for GW. They want you to pay 40€ for 24 Moria goblins these days, a kit that is now 23 years old and never changed. They were good back then but nowadays don't really hold up. It's not something GW usually cares about though, more often than not older kits get higher price increases than newer ones when GW gets around to price rise again.
In the What's Next? section they acknowledge it's going to take them quite a long time to get all nine factions out. Their current focus is reintroducing the world and setting over the course of nine Arcane Journals, then "Once that's done...who knows?" Given how often the scope of the project has been discussed on here (that it was reduced in scope/always intended to launch as is) this line was interesting:
"Danny: The game has been incredibly well received, and it’s great that there’s so much passion – the scope of the project has grown, so please bear with us."
At their current speed I'd wager 9 factions will take 2 years to get on the market. That assumes one at a time big releases like the Goblins we are getting.
So around 1 faction every 3 months; that's 8 factions over 2 years plus the duel release we got at the start. Give them another year ontop of that for delays, expansions to factions and so forth and I think that fairly much aims us for a 2nd edition in 3 years with new armies/big updates being the focus.
GaroRobe wrote: Why use the old river trolls? The plastic ones debuted with boar boyz
GW is doing their best to fully separate the model lines of Old World and Age of Sigmar.
Which means we sometimes get older kits for OW instead of newer AoS ones even though the AoS would work fine.
Another reason is that clearly a lot of people still have a fondness for old sculpts and there's demand for them so GW is likely also just doing it to fill that niche for a time.
I fully expect we'll see new plastics for OW in the future once the game is out and the armies that they've got set for launch are released to the world.
They are, and if they're made available it means you can also pull off the classic chaos troll conversion (which I've always liked a bit better than the actual chaos troll models).
That is, a river troll head on a stone troll body with some sculpted hair and plasticard bladed weapons.
GaroRobe wrote: Why use the old river trolls? The plastic ones debuted with boar boyz
GW is doing their best to fully separate the model lines of Old World and Age of Sigmar.
Which means we sometimes get older kits for OW instead of newer AoS ones even though the AoS would work fine.
Another reason is that clearly a lot of people still have a fondness for old sculpts and there's demand for them so GW is likely also just doing it to fill that niche for a time.
I fully expect we'll see new plastics for OW in the future once the game is out and the armies that they've got set for launch are released to the world.
The weird thing is that those plastic river trolls were warhammer models for YEARS before AOS even started. It's cool for people who like the old ones that they return them, but to me it still feel stupid that even models that were specifically made for warhammer fantasy are not returning to their original game.
"Danny: The game has been incredibly well received, and it’s great that there’s so much passion – the scope of the project has grown, so please bear with us."
This make absolutely no sense. Seeing as the game started as being toted as all new and shiny Cathay and Kislev teases...to being pulled back to 'here's some 30 year old models for a limited bunch of armies for some bogus lore reason we made up + tombs kings who we chucked in for the nostalgia points, and some pity PDF rules so we can still sell you the AoS models'. But now everything is selling out....now the scope of the project has grown again I'm glad I don't have to rely on GW to be in charge of anything more important in my life than plastic toys
Warhammer-Community wrote:The Nomadic Waaagh! relies a lot on Goblin Wolf Riders. <snip> If you tool them up with Shortbows, Feigned Flight and Reserve Move, they are amongst the best light cavalry in the game.
Oh Happy days, an excuse to buy even more than I was planning too. And I was planning to buy a lot more than I already own
What's to stop anyone from buying the plastic River Trolls and just throwing them on 40mm's? You can still use AoS Models in Old World, now granted ranking them might be a challenge even with larger base sizes.
But I'm in agreement Old metal Rivers > current plastic Rivers
nathan2004 wrote: What's to stop anyone from buying the plastic River Trolls and just throwing them on 40mm's? You can still use AoS Models in Old World, now granted ranking them might be a challenge even with larger base sizes.
But I'm in agreement Old metal Rivers > current plastic Rivers
The only thing that would stop somebody is their awareness (and how much they actually care) of GW's implied business practice.
If you buy AoS SKUs for your TOW army, from GW's perspective, their AoS line is selling well! Let's invest more into AoS! But oh, the Old World line is not selling well, maybe it's not worth investing into this.
Them announcing that the game is done well enough for them to increase the scope of their plans sounds great, but I hope that doesn't mean Cathay and Kislev?
Obviously them being part of the game would be good, but what I mean is that it would just be odd if it's a case of announcing they'll be including Cathay and Kislev, changing the scope at some point so there's no Cathay and Kislev, and then announcing a scope increase of including Cathay and Kislev. So "changing the scope" to take it back to what they said it would have previously.
I'm hoping that those are already part of their current plans, so the increase is something else...like bringing back the other armies would be great, although I'm not expecting it.
@Rihgu Yeah you aren't wrong there but at least we have options...and as we see from this thread there are those that prefer the newer sculpts and people like me that like the older stuff (for the most part, exceptions with everything of course). River trolls are a great example of this IMO.
I'm now debating buying the old Metal Ogres and using them as Chaos Ogres and pushing the conversions I currently have (Bulls from OK) over to my OK army.
"Danny: The game has been incredibly well received, and it’s great that there’s so much passion – the scope of the project has grown, so please bear with us."
kodos wrote: but than it is not an original TOW army
The concept of an "original TOW army" is nonsense. A troll is a troll is a troll. Just like a scratch built warmachine is as good or even better than the default.
Openness to a varied range of model sources results in amazing variety and uniqueness of armies. In any game I play an army consisting of default models in their default roles is the last thing I'd ever want to build.
Rihgu wrote: The only thing that would stop somebody is their awareness (and how much they actually care) of GW's implied business practice.
If you buy AoS SKUs for your TOW army, from GW's perspective, their AoS line is selling well! Let's invest more into AoS! But oh, the Old World line is not selling well, maybe it's not worth investing into this.
Anyone who believes buying a few plastic Trolls will doom TOW is an muppet and deserves to be shunned.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: I am sorely tempted by those Ogres. Had them many, many years ago, and whilst of course very 2D posed, the overalls sculpts remain ace.
Yeah they tempted me, but they don't have the beloved Ogre with his hand on his hip.
Cyel wrote: The concept of an "original TOW army" is nonsense. A troll is a troll is a troll. Just like a scratch built warmachine is as good or even better than the default.
Openness to a varied range of model sources results in amazing variety and uniqueness of armies. In any game I play an army consisting of default models in their default roles is the last thing I'd ever want to build.
From the WarCom Article on the new Troll Lore: "They synergise with your armies in different ways – we’re trying to build choice."
OMG this......this x1,000,000,000
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Mentlegen324 wrote: Them announcing that the game is done well enough for them to increase the scope of their plans sounds great, but I hope that doesn't mean Cathay and Kislev?
Obviously them being part of the game would be good, but what I mean is that it would just be odd if it's a case of announcing they'll be including Cathay and Kislev, changing the scope at some point so there's no Cathay and Kislev, and then announcing a scope increase of including Cathay and Kislev. So "changing the scope" to take it back to what they said it would have previously.
I'm hoping that those are already part of their current plans, so the increase is something else...like bringing back the other armies would be great, although I'm not expecting it.
This is absolute best case but no one should expect it given what they've said so far in their articles.
Well, how am I supposed to know that some slash and letter means sarcastic???
This is an international forum with users for whom English is not a native language. If someone decides to add to it another level of some leet speak or slang they should expect there will be miscommunication :(
I hope Kodos doesn't take offence, but there's a movement in many wargames (that I actively dislike) that says "only dedicated models in their dedicated roles!" so this opinion didn't sound implausible.
/s for sarcasm is pretty old in the internet and also around for several languages (all those were sarcasm is a word starting with s)
and yes it is pretty plausible for people really going by that as the cult of officialdom is strong with GW and people rather buy old models they don't like than using any alternative as by doing so they are not collecting TOW any more
hence why 3D printing is big with GW games, you can have carbon copies for cheap so you pay less but still have an "official" army
kodos wrote: and yes it is pretty plausible for people really going by that as the cult of officialdom is strong with GW and people rather buy old models they don't like than using any alternative as by doing so they are not collecting TOW any more
Surely you already know 'people' who don't like price and design of the metal River Trolls but buy them nonetheless because they think the plastic WHFB models now have the AoS stigma on them?
kodos wrote: and yes it is pretty plausible for people really going by that as the cult of officialdom is strong with GW and people rather buy old models they don't like than using any alternative as by doing so they are not collecting TOW any more
Surely you already know 'people' who don't like price and design of the metal River Trolls but buy them nonetheless because they think the plastic WHFB models now have the AoS stigma on them?
This baffles me! I love Michael Perry's stone trolls to death. They're some of my favorite models. However, i think Seb's plastic river trolls are a great modern take on Michaels old River Trolls. I like them better.
Also, in recent years i wanted a second unit of 6 stone trolls and i couldn't get the old metal ones so i bought the new plastics. Still going to use those in my troll army. They're not as classic as Michael's stone trolls, but it's still a fine kit.
kodos wrote: /s for sarcasm is pretty old in the internet and also around for several languages (all those were sarcasm is a word starting with s)
and yes it is pretty plausible for people really going by that as the cult of officialdom is strong with GW and people rather buy old models they don't like than using any alternative as by doing so they are not collecting TOW any more
hence why 3D printing is big with GW games, you can have carbon copies for cheap so you pay less but still have an "official" army
The game will live or die based off sells though and if it gets killed again, we all know what going through playing a dead game is like...hence the push to support ToW releases at least from my perspective. Today's article stating it's been successful does bode well for the future...
the game lives or die by GW marketing and releases and by decision making
we are not going to save if we by everything no matter if we like it or not
and ask the Blood Bowl players what it means playing a dead game, as just being "not supported by GW" does not mean a game is dead
and going by support, TOW is dead for the next 18 months until all factions have models to buy
kodos wrote: and yes it is pretty plausible for people really going by that as the cult of officialdom is strong with GW and people rather buy old models they don't like than using any alternative as by doing so they are not collecting TOW any more
Surely you already know 'people' who don't like price and design of the metal River Trolls but buy them nonetheless because they think the plastic WHFB models now have the AoS stigma on them?
I know 2 people from Germany, independent from each other who are mourning the prices but buy the bretonnian metal knights because those are the "original"
they also did not play any other fantasy game since Warhammer was killed because there was no official R&F games and they don't like skirmish games so no AoS
while others only use the AoS models because they think the old Warhammer ones are terrible but therefore only use the Legacy armies because there are no "official" models
kodos wrote: and yes it is pretty plausible for people really going by that as the cult of officialdom is strong with GW and people rather buy old models they don't like than using any alternative as by doing so they are not collecting TOW any more
Surely you already know 'people' who don't like price and design of the metal River Trolls but buy them nonetheless because they think the plastic WHFB models now have the AoS stigma on them?
I know 2 people from Germany, independent from each other who are mourning the prices but buy the bretonnian metal knights because those are the "original"
they also did not play any other fantasy game since Warhammer was killed because there was no official R&F games and they don't like skirmish games so no AoS
while others only use the AoS models because they think the old Warhammer ones are terrible but therefore only use the Legacy armies because there are no "official" models
Don't understand the point your trying to make and why would you care so much about 2 German collectors habits/preferences...
kodos wrote: he just ask if I know such "people" and I do, that's it
Erm... no. I asked about people you know who don't buy old WHFB models because they're now in the AoS range.
You remember?
Gert wrote:You know you can just buy the plastic ones, right? Nobody is stopping you.
kodos wrote:but than it is not an original TOW army but just some "count as" nonsense /s
kodos wrote: /s for sarcasm is pretty old in the internet and also around for several languages (all those were sarcasm is a word starting with s)
and yes it is pretty plausible for people really going by that as the cult of officialdom is strong with GW and people rather buy old models they don't like than using any alternative as by doing so they are not collecting TOW any more
Dryaktylus wrote: Erm... no. I asked about people you know who don't buy old WHFB models because they're now in the AoS range.
the metal River Trolls are not out yet and the price is unkown so how can I know people who buy them despite the price?
so we will see of those people who rage about prices but buy the old bretonnian metal ones, will do the same with the Trolls, or just buy the plastic ones
but as the target group are Oldhammer players and those don't like anything plastic or AoS, my bet is that they will
I believe that this line of thinking is a bit of none of our business?
What X collector deems has "official" depends a lot on his personal background right? We all have a quirky mindset.
Personally I think that any form of getting into TOW is a plus to TOW. If you intend to play at a GW official store though just follow whatever that store guidelines are. Simples.
I understand collectors, specially the Oldhammer people and that those are happy to get the old models back the always wanted but were OOP but those people were around before TOW came up
what I don't understand is when people who just want to play act like that
kodos wrote: I understand collectors, specially the Oldhammer people and that those are happy to get the old models back the always wanted but were OOP but those people were around before TOW came up
what I don't understand is when people who just want to play act like that
If I'm honest, as much as I love warhammer I do not care if the old world dies due to lack of sales. I'll continue to play warhammer with what ever models I like. I'm very pleased that includes being able to buy models I love in new fancier (slightly more expensive) packaging but them killing the game off before didn't stop me. It won't stop me again.
I would never, ever tie my hobby to anyone one range or company. Look at the people that did that, who then felt they had to go out an burn their armies when the game was dropped before.
AoS make for great warhammer fantasy models. As do oathmark, victrix, bloodbowl, warlord games and a whole heap of other companies:
Chances are GW already know if they have any intention of killing the game off again due to sales and a few sales of AoS kits or rescue jobs from old collections or even a few 3d prints isn't going to change that. GW probably have much better data on their target audience who will buy everything who buy into the 'warhammer experience' as a complete package, people who don't see the wider wargaming hobby.
People that want to stick to the WFB range only, its one way to hobby sure. But if they are refusing to not buy models simply because they are now under the AoS brand then that is a little silly as a good percentage of the game is still just repackaged WFB models.
With AoS still having this perceived stigma still, I'm really, really tempted to do something annoying like enter armies on parade with the most AoS-y force I can on square bases I can with a backdrop that says 'Warhammer AoS regiments', all done up with the old world rulebook blue. I understood peoples annoyance when AoS first replaced WFB but both games exist again now...and still people can't let it go
Just to add my two cents: taste is the one thing you can't argue about.
I like some oldhammer models, some newer warhammer models and some aos models.
For example, I adore the old stone trolls, but also love the new Ushoran. I don't like Trish' Troll Hag, but own a 3d printed copy of the Total War hag that is a little bit smaller but awesome, so I'll use that, or my Trugg model.
If the old models become (somewhat) widely available again, that's just a win-win situation.
What i do find weird is that they release the O&G before the last bits of Brets and TK....I mean, I've been waiting almost four months for Elisse, which they said would be released 'On release or soon after'...
Dryaktylus wrote: Erm... no. I asked about people you know who don't buy old WHFB models because they're now in the AoS range.
the metal River Trolls are not out yet and the price is unkown so how can I know people who buy them despite the price?
so we will see of those people who rage about prices but buy the old bretonnian metal ones, will do the same with the Trolls, or just buy the plastic ones
but as the target group are Oldhammer players and those don't like anything plastic or AoS, my bet is that they will
There aren't Bretonnian models in the AoS range and the metal-only models never had a newer plastic release. The metal River Trolls aren't that old (1995/6?) to attract the die-hard Oldhammer players - I mean at that time GW already had the plastic wolves and boars they now sell again. And even there the (great) Skeleton Horde box is accepted.
My bet is that most people who buy the metal Trolls just like them, mostly have the plastic ones too and want to have more diversity. Raging about prices is common and understandable, but refusing to add an older WHFB kit now sold in the AoS range to your army you like and instead buy some metals you don't like? I think you really overestimate the GW cult regarding GW models.
Dryaktylus wrote: Erm... no. I asked about people you know who don't buy old WHFB models because they're now in the AoS range.
the metal River Trolls are not out yet and the price is unkown so how can I know people who buy them despite the price?
so we will see of those people who rage about prices but buy the old bretonnian metal ones, will do the same with the Trolls, or just buy the plastic ones
but as the target group are Oldhammer players and those don't like anything plastic or AoS, my bet is that they will
There aren't Bretonnian models in the AoS range and the metal-only models never had a newer plastic release. The metal River Trolls aren't that old (1995/6?) to attract the die-hard Oldhammer players - I mean at that time GW already had the plastic wolves and boars they now sell again. And even there the (great) Skeleton Horde box is accepted.
My bet is that most people who buy the metal Trolls just like them, mostly have the plastic ones too and want to have more diversity. Raging about prices is common and understandable, but refusing to add an older WHFB kit now sold in the AoS range to your army you like and instead buy some metals you don't like? I think you really overestimate the GW cult regarding GW models.
To be fair though, as the metal river trolls were replaced in 2010, 4 years before Warhammer stopped being a thing and the Bretonnian models were pulled out of production in 2014, technically they've been discontinued longer.
I remember that time very well, stepping into a GW store to pick up the new River Trolls and Boar Boyz. I must be a minority here, but those two kits still remain some of my favorite plastics. What Brian Nelson did for orcs was extraordinary and Seb Perbert's upgrade to the River Trolls was fantastic.
nathan2004 wrote: Which trolls did one of the Perry twin’s design? O&G have so many different types of trolls it’s hard to tell them apart for me aside from the Rivers.
Both the classic metal river- and stone trolls were designed by Michael Perry. The troll Hag was designed by Trish Carden. The plastic river trolls were designed by Seb Perbert. The AOS trolls are everyone's guess. To be complete: the common trolls for O&G were designed by Mark Anderson, the metal Chaos Trolls were designed by Trish Carden, Throgg the Trollking was designed by Seb Perbert and the Bile Trolls were designed by Steve Whitehead.
Same. I don't need many of the Orcs and Gobbos, but I am buying a Nazgob to paint up. He's a great mini and I am bummed I never got around to painting one at the time. Not making that mistake twice.
I believe that was the first orc done by Brian Nelson in what would later become the definitive warhammer orc look. A truly awesome classic that has totally stood the test of Time!
Just realised that apart from the characters next week GW has not mentioned or shown any night goblins or squigs in relation to the new army book.
Trolls, orcs and common goblins, and even go on about a troll army and all mounted orc army in Warhammer Community article today.
As someone rebasing 400 damned night goblins, they had better be there....
Waaagh_Gonads wrote: Just realised that apart from the characters next week GW has not mentioned or shown any night goblins or squigs in relation to the new army book.
Trolls, orcs and common goblins, and even go on about a troll army and all mounted orc army in Warhammer Community article today.
As someone rebasing 400 damned night goblins, they had better be there....
I mean, they are in the army list...
I'm curious to see what the other Characters will besides the Troll shaman.
I'm very excited by this book. Love to see what the rules for the ogres, bonegrinder and troll hag are. It's what I'm most excited for in this release
Waaagh_Gonads wrote: Just realised that apart from the characters next week GW has not mentioned or shown any night goblins or squigs in relation to the new army book.
Trolls, orcs and common goblins, and even go on about a troll army and all mounted orc army in Warhammer Community article today.
As someone rebasing 400 damned night goblins, they had better be there....
I mean, they are in the army list...
I'm curious to see what the other Characters will besides the Troll shaman.
I'm very excited by this book. Love to see what the rules for the ogres, bonegrinder and troll hag are. It's what I'm most excited for in this release
All my other armies will be legends (Vampire Counts, Lizardmen) and I sold off my High Elves and Empire during COVID lockdowns.
O&G gives enough fun and variety to last a lifetime....
Waaagh_Gonads wrote: Just realised that apart from the characters next week GW has not mentioned or shown any night goblins or squigs in relation to the new army book.
Trolls, orcs and common goblins, and even go on about a troll army and all mounted orc army in Warhammer Community article today.
As someone rebasing 400 damned night goblins, they had better be there....
I mean, they are in the army list...
I'm curious to see what the other Characters will besides the Troll shaman.
I'm very excited by this book. Love to see what the rules for the ogres, bonegrinder and troll hag are. It's what I'm most excited for in this release
All my other armies will be legends (Vampire Counts, Lizardmen) and I sold off my High Elves and Empire during COVID lockdowns.
O&G gives enough fun and variety to last a lifetime....
It does! It's the most fun army by a good margin. It's also one of the most diverse and difficult armies. You wouldn't think it from the fluff, but i often have to think harder while playing O&G than i do when i play Bretonnia. Bretonnia is like a precision scalpel, with a clear plan. O&G are so diverse and unpredictable that they'll often leave my face in a thinking-crumple while playing. Always laughing though! I love them to bits.
Impetuous instead of animosity is a really big change for the army overall i think. Probably one of the biggest changes for any of The Old World armies.
As someone rebasing 400 damned night goblins, they had better be there....
If I remember correctly it was written in the first article presenting what is there for O&G that night gobbos are coming at the later time than the rest of the army.
As someone rebasing 400 damned night goblins, they had better be there....
If I remember correctly it was written in the first article presenting what is there for O&G that night gobbos are coming at the later time than the rest of the army.
One might extrapolate there is a new gloomspite gitz kit on the horizon and they need that to happen first.
As someone rebasing 400 damned night goblins, they had better be there....
If I remember correctly it was written in the first article presenting what is there for O&G that night gobbos are coming at the later time than the rest of the army.
One might extrapolate there is a new gloomspite gitz kit on the horizon and they need that to happen first.
Except that the Night Goblins being released for TOW are the older, bigger multiparts and thus have no bearing on the Gloomspite kits.
Changing Animosity for Impetuous is a BIG change. Cavalry, particulary wolf riders, become MUCH more of a gamble as they will almost be rolling to charge from turn 1 Units are also more easily charge-bated, as there's a chance they have to charge if they can. On the onther hand, not having units just standing still and doing nothing on a crucial turn feels nice.
I haven't played that many games with my O&G in The Old World yet, but I'm having fun finding my footing with the new rules!
As someone rebasing 400 damned night goblins, they had better be there....
If I remember correctly it was written in the first article presenting what is there for O&G that night gobbos are coming at the later time than the rest of the army.
One might extrapolate there is a new gloomspite gitz kit on the horizon and they need that to happen first.
Except that the Night Goblins being released for TOW are the older, bigger multiparts and thus have no bearing on the Gloomspite kits.
There has been no indication that the old night goblin kit is being re-released yet. Other than the metal bosses, they haven't shown off any of the night goblin models at all.
As someone rebasing 400 damned night goblins, they had better be there....
If I remember correctly it was written in the first article presenting what is there for O&G that night gobbos are coming at the later time than the rest of the army.
One might extrapolate there is a new gloomspite gitz kit on the horizon and they need that to happen first.
Except that the Night Goblins being released for TOW are the older, bigger multiparts and thus have no bearing on the Gloomspite kits.
There has been no indication that the old night goblin kit is being re-released yet. Other than the metal bosses, they haven't shown off any of the night goblin models at all.
Also, those metal Nightgoblin characters are designed with the aesthetics of the most recent Night Goblins. If they released the old multiparty Night Goblins, they would be massive next to the metal models.
nathan2004 wrote: If dwarves get previewed tomorrow at adepticon, when do we think they will get released. 2 months? About 2 months for orks right?
Main GW previews/announcements from marketing (esp at big events) tend to run on a 3 month window. So unless something goes wrong, normally what you'll see will appear any time within that 3 month period. There have been a few exceptions and Old World was one of them, but its now firmly in its mainstream marketing so I'd expect it to stick to the 3 month window
As someone rebasing 400 damned night goblins, they had better be there....
If I remember correctly it was written in the first article presenting what is there for O&G that night gobbos are coming at the later time than the rest of the army.
One might extrapolate there is a new gloomspite gitz kit on the horizon and they need that to happen first.
Except that the Night Goblins being released for TOW are the older, bigger multiparts and thus have no bearing on the Gloomspite kits.
There has been no indication that the old night goblin kit is being re-released yet. Other than the metal bosses, they haven't shown off any of the night goblin models at all.
Yeah, in the short term I actually think a MTO for Battle for Skill Pass is more likely.
To be honest you might also say that Night Goblins are so good currently that not being able to buy them is a balance patch :-P
I wonder what the real reason for not shifting production of the giant from metal to resin is?
I don't believe the explanation that it's because 'that's what it should be' - especially when they tout resin as giving a better experience when building the models.
I expect that's something to do with the specifics of the existing mould.
Lord Damocles wrote: I wonder what the real reason for not shifting production of the giant from metal to resin is?
I don't believe the explanation that it's because 'that's what it should be' - especially when they tout resin as giving a better experience when building the models.
I expect that's something to do with the specifics of the existing mould.
Most likely, cost related in regards to the man hours to make the shift. Also, if they had to redo the mould to accept resin (I think the moulds for metal are rubber, the ones for resin are gel-like), they might not have the original green model for making the master mould, and the cost to digitally reconstruct may be "out of scope".
For the most part, re-releasing all this Old World stuff is to make an easy buck - just putting old existing molds back to work. The more redesigning/conversion they have to do, the more it cuts into possible profits.
The project lead is a real Oldhammer** enthusiast, and he has such a depth of knowledge of these older models which he knows collectors have been coveting for so long. Being able to honour those long standing customers is quite a point of pride for him.
and
But we’re not remastering everything – things like the Marauder Giant and the Orc Shaman on Wyvern are returning in metal because that’s what they should be. We wanted to be as close to the originals as possible. You’re getting that heavy metal model – which is important because it fits with people’s memories of a miniature that will take time and effort to put together. We want you to have that whole experience.
I think that's fairly reasonable. I imagine there are probably additional advantages – even from a bald commercial standpoint it makes sense to foster the retro feel for the intended market; and metal's much quicker to cast and (so I'm led to believe) caster-friendly – but I don't think there's any reason to dismiss the given explanation out of hand. Much as GW is not what it was in the 90s, there are still lots of enthusiasts and hobbyists who work there.
Theres a good chance they had the molds for those models in a ready to go condition, so why waste time and money making new ones to cast them in resin when the rubber molds for the metal will churn out a thousand models?
If common trolls are $40/£25 for 2 would 3 of the other types be $60/£37.50?
Black Orc Bigboss $36 £23
Orc Warboss on Wyvern $78 £50
Troll Hag $93 £60
Orc and Night Goblin Command Sets $70 £42.50
Orc Shaman $15 £9
Orc Big ‘Uns Command $35 £22.50
Night Goblin Shamans $32 £18
Goblin Bosses $32 £18
Goblin Shamans $18 £12
Goblin Nasty Skulker $25 £15
Goblin Wolf Rider Bosses $35 £22.50
Goblin Wolf Chariot $40 £25
Common Trolls $40 £25
Badlands Ogre Bulls $110 $65
Goblin Rock Lobber $40 £25
Goblin Bolt Throwa $40 £25
Goblin Doom Diver Catapult $50 £30
Snotling Pump Wagon $40 £25
Snotlings $50 £30
Giant $78 £50
Bonegrinder Giant $230 £140ish
I'm sorry, but why on earth would i pay more for the Bonegrinder when i can get the much, much more flexibele and plastic (and better sculpted) mega gargant for less?
The old models in that army remind me that toward the end, I really didn't like how GW designed their armies. I don't quite know the term for it, but instead of being soldier types derived from a civilized pre-modern monarchical society, they instead made up the dwarf army the same way Mattel made up new He-Man villains. Like same energy. You've got all the guys dressed the same way holding little cannons, and you've got all the guys dressed the same way holding shiny two-handed hammers. I know they were always a bit like that with Ironbreakers and such, but it really went that direction hard after the year 2000.
I like the new lord on shield in plastic and absolutely love that new Ungrim! He's one the most classic warhammer characters of all time imho, so great to see him returning!
Also: finally new rules for the goblin hewer and I've GOT to get my hands on that bugmans bear cart!!
You can bet on it that one army of infamy will be a slayer army.
A gorgeous army! This was the clear winner for me at the previews. I am really excited to see more of the Dwarf Lords in plastic and if they include more options than a head swap. I am crossing my fingers there's a standard included, but not hopeful.
for a short time I hoped that we would also get the old models back and not the bad ones
(the 7th core ones are the worst from all they ever made, parts are not exchangeable between the 2 sets and the style is neither fits the older metal nor the newer plastics)
From the metal models, nothing that I don't have but maybe some classics will come later
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Don't know if it's just the paint job, but even for Warhammer dwarves these are excessively cartoony.
It's most definitely the paintjob; it is a rare thing these days that I actually like the paintjob on a warhammer model from the studio.
I have to say, that Ungrim model looks awesome. I think it's the least cartoony dwarf I've seen from GW in quite some time.
The thane with handgun also looks very nice.
The one model I don't really like is the plastic lord/thane on foot, but that comes as a sort of bonus in the box with the lord with shieldbearers, so I'm indifferent about that.
I also like the character that all the models have. All those Fyreslayer characters started to bleed together with how boring and devoid of character they were.
GaroRobe wrote: Yep. That sprue sold for $2000 a month or two ago on eBay
feth me sideways! Any idea how many of them are actually out in the wild?
There’s also a dwarf tank or something that never got released too
ooh. Didn't know about that.
Somebody was selling a whole stack of the dwarf king sprue at something like €50 a sprue a couple of years ago, a whole bunch of them made it around the studio before the accident to the mould.
GaroRobe wrote: Hmmm no mention of the plastic engineer/cogsmith returning
Wasn't the plastic Cogsmith Grimm Burlokson? Or was there a generic one I've forgotten?
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lord_blackfang wrote: Nice sculpt, will get one for sure. Also need a box of Miners, hoping they come out alongside.
For my KoW army to be clear.
They said in the article that Miners are coming too.
He was but Thorek is back as an anvil of doom, the plastic lord on oathstone is presumably Belegar, etc.
The article did mention two returning familiar characters. Not sure if that meant Thorek, or Bugman, or Malakai
There a a number of dwarf characters around that were already accomplished warriors at this time.
One of the two returning characters, as qe have already seen, is Ungrim, who a few years after made for a strong contender for the position of high king.
Gotrek was still very young; he could remember his father fighting at Hell Fenn. I don't think he will return.
Two other strong contenders are Kazador and Kragg the Grim.
Thorgrim might return as a young prince before he succeeded his father as high king.
As for Malakai and Bugman: do we have any proof of how old they are? While we have seen the Bugman cart, the brewery could at this time still be lead by his father.
As for Malakai: the presence of his Goblin Hewer suggests he was already alive and inventing at this time, though I don't think they'll make him a separate special character. I don't believe they'll make both special characters slayers.
Olthannon wrote: Wasn't the goblin hewer meant to have been invented around the time of the Storm of Chaos campaign?
I'm very glad to see these lovely Dwarves. It's just a shame I didn't like these newer minis. The previous edition Dwarf warriors were excellent.
I believe that in the Storm of Chaos book it mentions it as his 'latest invention'. So it is i bit weird to see it there two centuries earlier. I don't think we have any clue as to how old Makaisson is, right? I don't seem to remember reading anything about it in the Gotrek and Felix books either.
Why do the slayers all have Orange hair, but their normal color beard? That looks really weird.
This would be a good time to hunt down the old plastic Dwarf Battalion sets, given they came with a Canon.
Is there any good sets (at a acceptable price) on eBay? I might go hunting!
I think the time to go hunting was when the force books went on sale - i'd imagine any army that doesn't have current GW for sale models has likely been stripped since GW put the army lists and photos of at least one whole army force into the book.
You might get more luck on FB as a LOT of trading has shifted there as ebay became more loaded with fees and as forums have dwindled in population numbers.
By all means go hunting, but I wouldn't expect deals. Right now with the army just announced and zero models (likely for a few months) its likely stock will go down and prices will rise for a while as everyone does what you're doing.
After the army goes on sale some items might go up, a fwe might go down and the market will have a diminished supply for a while.
Olthannon wrote: Wasn't the goblin hewer meant to have been invented around the time of the Storm of Chaos campaign?
Well! That would totally destroy my feeling of realism!
(I think making TOW a prequel was a big mistake for a lot of reasons, stuff like this is one of them)
But history is full of things being invented and reinvented, discovered and rediscovered, look at Korean Turtle Ships and American Ironclads. Just think of it as the Goblin Hewer Mk I.
Olthannon wrote: Wasn't the goblin hewer meant to have been invented around the time of the Storm of Chaos campaign?
Well! That would totally destroy my feeling of realism!
(I think making TOW a prequel was a big mistake for a lot of reasons, stuff like this is one of them)
But history is full of things being invented and reinvented, discovered and rediscovered, look at Korean Turtle Ships and American Ironclads. Just think of it as the Goblin Hewer Mk I.
Well it depends how they're going to deal with Malakai Makaison, the dwarf slayer engineer that invented the hewer and is in fact one of the crew models (seen in the video they released).
Either he's older than we think, or they're genericising his model to a normal slayer...
Like I said a prequel using existing models is always going to be troublesome. When Empire comes around I am sure they will include the house-sized griffin model (one of my favorites) despite the fact that the rider is Karl Franz.
Meh, he has an identical great-great grandfather. Bad genetics but it's an established fictional cliche.
Olthannon wrote: Wasn't the goblin hewer meant to have been invented around the time of the Storm of Chaos campaign?
Well! That would totally destroy my feeling of realism!
(I think making TOW a prequel was a big mistake for a lot of reasons, stuff like this is one of them)
But history is full of things being invented and reinvented, discovered and rediscovered, look at Korean Turtle Ships and American Ironclads. Just think of it as the Goblin Hewer Mk I.
I meant as in the person above was wondering how old Malakai was, which doesn't really matter if the goblin hewer was new at the time of WFB anyway.
There's zero stopping GW saying actually Malakai made this in his inventing shed for chopping potatoes back in aught-six and then realised it's great for hewing Goblins after they ambushed him mid-stew.
generally within a 1000 years, like Black Powder is still something new the traditional dwarfs don't like
but doesn't really matter anyway as GW is changing the background to fit the new game already, so in best case they won't mention it at all and in the worst case it was "new" for this Storm of Chaos and not the next one
Don't forget the Dwarves, ever since the War of the Beard, basically suppressed a lot of their own inventions. Even things like the huge Airship in Gotrek and Felix stories is something the Dwarves had before, but got taken away. So the idea that there are "new" things in the old setting makes some sense.
It could be a relic of the War of the Beard that just escaped being dismantled; or its been invented several times and forgotten over hundreds of years only to be re-invented later.
Much in the same way in the modern world that we lost things like Roman Cement and had to re-invent it.
As for the characters I figure some named will just go unnamed as generic ones .
Gert wrote: The rider doesn't have have the be Franz though. It's got generic options and the Wizard options as well.
Sure, but it also means any generic General can be armed with Ghal Maraz...
Just looking at the wiki, it can still work. A replica was unknowingly used for a long time before it was properly found. Even Franz originally used the replica.
Gert wrote: The rider doesn't have have the be Franz though. It's got generic options and the Wizard options as well.
Sure, but it also means any generic General can be armed with Ghal Maraz...
Didn't bother them (gw) the other away around. They've been selling the same kit for AoS sigmar for a long time, though I guess it was easy to palm it off as a 'future' general cosplaying as Franz though.
Vorian wrote: The troll hag only has rules in the arcane journal, no reason why any potential new things wouldn't have rules in their own journals.
Sorry. My bad. Should have added quote. It was in related to emperor. Idea of having 1 build in kit not used and just the alternatives was what i was commented.
Gert wrote: The rider doesn't have have the be Franz though. It's got generic options and the Wizard options as well.
Sure, but it also means any generic General can be armed with Ghal Maraz...
You could, back in the day - it was 'Empire only' but anyone could use it. Karl-Franz's restriction was that he couldn't have anything else in one of his card slots! You could give Runefangs to wizards and all sorts of other nonsense.
Its a hammer shaped like the famous hammer of the legendary founder of the Empire. Like nobody has ever attempted to copy legendary weaponry in a fictional setting before, let alone Warhammer.
Also, any random general could have taken it back when Franz was a character option in WHFB and the model was usable in AoS. I don't get the issue here.
But why, pray tell, would they have to bring that griffon back? That one could easily stay in AOS. By now i think it a least as likely that they'll bring back the old elector count on griffon that came out at the same time as the orc warboss on wyvern.
Because it's an Empire model and doesn't fit with how GW redesigned the AoS Freeguild models.
If you have the rules you can also see there are two types of Griffon to represent the smaller older style or the larger newer style. The higher-ranking leader units can take the Big Boy while lower-ranking leaders can take a small one.
Belthanos wrote: Would give oddity having build not mentioned anywhere without rules though.
Has model no rules would be funny twist.
LOLno, this is pretty much the entirety of primaris range. We have Mk X Tacitus power first/weapons/guns/upgrades from close to a dozen of kits and chapter sprues, but the only one who can take them is the Intercessor sergeant. Want to give them to say hellblasters or flamer squad? Hell, your Chapter Master who apparently was kicked out of Intercessor only club? Ha. Nope.avi. And it's like this across every primaris group. You want to give your gravis troops or melta dudes sarge spare power fist from aggressor/terminator/upgrade sprue? Claws/power weapons on phobos outside of one model? Go frak yourself, then the rules would actually make sense (especially in universe) and GW might have sold a bit more sprues
And then there is half of Deathwatch range and like 6+ named characters having models, but none of them having any rules, best you can do is using them as generic HQ model (but then half of them have illegal loadout so frak you too)
Belthanos wrote: Would give oddity having build not mentioned anywhere without rules though.
Has model no rules would be funny twist.
LOLno, this is pretty much the entirety of primaris range. We have Mk X Tacitus power first/weapons/guns/upgrades from close to a dozen of kits and chapter sprues, but the only one who can take them is the Intercessor sergeant. Want to give them to say hellblasters or flamer squad? Hell, your Chapter Master who apparently was kicked out of Intercessor only club? Ha. Nope.avi. And it's like this across every primaris group. You want to give your gravis troops or melta dudes sarge spare power fist from aggressor/terminator/upgrade sprue? Claws/power weapons on phobos outside of one model? Go frak yourself, then the rules would actually make sense (especially in universe) and GW might have sold a bit more sprues
And then there is half of Deathwatch range and like 6+ named characters having models, but none of them having any rules, best you can do is using them as generic HQ model (but then half of them have illegal loadout so frak you too)
Not having rules support for conversions (taking an arm from one kit to put on another) isn't the same as a model not having rules. But you already knew that.
Vorian wrote: The troll hag only has rules in the arcane journal, no reason why any potential new things wouldn't have rules in their own journals.
There is also mention that the Dwarf Dragon Company only has rules in the box not the Journal - bit stupid but there you go.
On the other hand, if you're wanting to use them as Mercs, and nothing else from the Dwarf Journal, the rules in the box make perfect sense.
Maybe we'll get a "Mercenaries of the Old World" Journal down the line that's a compilation of any such units?
Yeah maybe - having rules in less places is better than all over the place, especially since the Journals are very small and quite light in content already
Skipping on the dwarves, they are made way too big and have 0 character.
This is what used to have character, actual dwarf looking fat little men composed out of 99% beard and 1% body with an axe, cutlass or pistol attached..
https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:720/format:webp/1*Hhq2V1bix_IZCWn-kjyuFw.jpeg (What is it with designers these days trying so hard to make everything look like hyper realism..)
I really hope this isn't a precursor to how the chaos-dwarves will look because then I'll skip on those too. :/
Maybe I'll end up playing beastmen or something.. sigh..
Very strange pre-order for the Orcs & Goblins today.
Heroes but no troops for some of the goblin choices.
Could only order single items of each type in a order, not sure if that means they will cancel multiple orders (meaning you couldn't actually order a units worth of Big 'uns in one go. Probably so it forced you to buy something extra to hit the free postage over multiple orders, and because they can't maintain stock levels)
Some of the advertised units never even made it to the pre-order.
Both my 'local' stores didn't receive most of the old world stock other than basic orcs & the dice sets. One left a note of the page which seemed rather sarcastic which suggests GW purposely pulled the basic items last minute from their order.
Thankfully I'm mostly just picking things up as a 'It would be nice to have some fresh kits to work with', so anything that doesn't make it in my orders isn't going to ruin my painting plans for the summer, it would just be nice to paint some of the old kits from fresh. They were not as expensive as I was expecting tbh though I held back on the forgeworld kits as I'm probably going to go a bit mad on the MTO trolls as the forgeworld kits will be around a lot longer.
I still think they would given a better experience to players had they started out with a release schedule with a few battalions & terrain, and then moved on to adding MTOs and other units as time goes by, as they clearly can't handle releasing so many units at once every couple of months.
Pre Orders for goblins and orcs are live. good gawd the prices. but I picked up the card pack, in case I play them later. All was as expected, EXCEPT the battalion / army box was hardly discounted at all. A sharp contrast to what a good deal the Bret / Tomb kings launch was.
I tried to pre-order some stuff but just got several 404 errors. So frustrating. I hate dealing with GW.
Every time I try to purchase something from them it is some version of "those aren't actually available" either because I missed some 3 min preorder window, or they aren't up for order yet or the links from their own article are dead, or they are already out of stock, etc. etc.
Every interaction just leaves me with an unpleasant taste in my mouth.
Irbis wrote: Wait, how lower left back cut magically changed shape and stitches after painting?
There's a few other differences too like if you look at that same lower pair of images the middle of the loincloth/belt has a different bit of detail in it too.
I'm guessing its because one might be the original model and one the resin reworked model and the painter worked on the earlier one so it was ready for launch whilst the resin photo was done on a production copy because photography is much faster.
I think this has happened a few times where a painter has worked on a resin master which then got a few minor details changed by the time we got a production model in-hand.
Irbis wrote: Wait, how lower left back cut magically changed shape and stitches after painting?
I see they decided to make the torso one whole piece since the original the belly and moobs were a separate slab. From the other photos it seems the legs are still two separate pieces so that should have also been made into a single piece imo. The metal kit was a real pain to put together so I kinda wanna get this for the easier build lol.
Panicked when I saw no night gobies in the new book, but then rereading the ravening hordes books they are the basis for the edition and the journals are specialist sub-armies.
There would be less that 5% of O&G players who would have the models to make the armies covered in the new journal, which I think is how GW plans on getting money out of us.
To be honest though there is that much variety in the original army list, I have no intention of playing the journal armies but may use a few specific units as allies.
Just hope down the track there will be a night goblin/spider journal and NGs do not disappear next edition, they have been a staple of WFB since almost the beginning and their AOS counterparts are now Squigs with moon worshiping gobblins holding on.
Gallahad wrote: I tried to pre-order some stuff but just got several 404 errors. So frustrating. I hate dealing with GW.
Every time I try to purchase something from them it is some version of "those aren't actually available" either because I missed some 3 min preorder window, or they aren't up for order yet or the links from their own article are dead, or they are already out of stock, etc. etc.
Every interaction just leaves me with an unpleasant taste in my mouth.
This, exactly. I got to Warhammer Community because I'm excited to get the Orc Shaman, click on the link that says "Preorder Now" and it takes me to... Night Goblin Shamans? What? Okay, well, let's try this another way. Go to Warhammer.com, and there he is right on the home page. Search up Orc Shaman, scroll down (yep, there's the correct model in the picture), fifteen bucks seems like a reasonable price (I've watched this thing go for 4x+ that on Ebay over the last ten years), aaaaaaand "Temporarily Out of Stock". WTF??? I feel kind of like a chump clicking the "Notify When Available" button.
Is this a one-time only reprint and I've missed the (probably 3-min as Gallahad mentioned) window? Did they just not make enough or did they all get scooped up by eBay scalpers? Why get people hyped up over something that you can't deliver on? Grrrrr...
To turn this into a more positive interaction/post, I'll turn to the community here: from dealing with this type of thing from GW in the past, does anyone know how these releases typically go? Do you think ol' Nazgob will come back into stock in a reasonable time frame, or did I miss my one shot at getting one direct from the source?
Gallahad wrote: I tried to pre-order some stuff but just got several 404 errors. So frustrating. I hate dealing with GW.
Every time I try to purchase something from them it is some version of "those aren't actually available" either because I missed some 3 min preorder window, or they aren't up for order yet or the links from their own article are dead, or they are already out of stock, etc. etc.
Every interaction just leaves me with an unpleasant taste in my mouth.
This, exactly. I got to Warhammer Community because I'm excited to get the Orc Shaman, click on the link that says "Preorder Now" and it takes me to... Night Goblin Shamans? What? Okay, well, let's try this another way. Go to Warhammer.com, and there he is right on the home page. Search up Orc Shaman, scroll down (yep, there's the correct model in the picture), fifteen bucks seems like a reasonable price (I've watched this thing go for 4x+ that on Ebay over the last ten years), aaaaaaand "Temporarily Out of Stock". WTF??? I feel kind of like a chump clicking the "Notify When Available" button.
Is this a one-time only reprint and I've missed the (probably 3-min as Gallahad mentioned) window? Did they just not make enough or did they all get scooped up by eBay scalpers? Why get people hyped up over something that you can't deliver on? Grrrrr...
To turn this into a more positive interaction/post, I'll turn to the community here: from dealing with this type of thing from GW in the past, does anyone know how these releases typically go? Do you think ol' Nazgob will come back into stock in a reasonable time frame, or did I miss my one shot at getting one direct from the source?
He'll probably return to stock once the buzz for orcs dies down- I suspect once they move on to releasing forces like Empire and they've had a chance to restock earlier releases once or twice over we'll see these metal models in stock consistently. That said, no guarantees with GW though. Could remain out of stock until the remove him from the range or replace the sculpt in a years time. Hard to say really.
Not only is this hard to judge against other releases, but GW have a bad track record when it comes to stock levels at the best of times anyway. Right now even if they restock him, hes going to get snapped up by those that missed the first wave or by more scalpers.
At least this will boost the 2nd hand market and bring prices down. I've already starting seeing 2nd hand stores seeing old world models from people grabbing everything at release.
2ndhand will go up and down with some big waves before it settles. Right now any army not released will go up; getting a spike when GW previews their release coming up.
It will then likely stay high all through the first big release wave for anything that isn't part of the release wave itself.
Things will only then calm down a good while after when the surge is over and you get "Oh wait I actually don't need a whole army" sets in and people sell off and such.
So 2nd hand will get a bump ride of ups and downs. Even so I wager metal out of production models will remain high. Market has grown and demand has grown so prices on those will clamber up. Print on Demand waves might dip it for a time, but will send it up again after the PoD is over.
We've also no idea if GW will do repeat print on demand waves either or if each army will get one or two and that's it.
Gallahad wrote: I tried to pre-order some stuff but just got several 404 errors. So frustrating. I hate dealing with GW.
Every time I try to purchase something from them it is some version of "those aren't actually available" either because I missed some 3 min preorder window, or they aren't up for order yet or the links from their own article are dead, or they are already out of stock, etc. etc.
Every interaction just leaves me with an unpleasant taste in my mouth.
This, exactly. I got to Warhammer Community because I'm excited to get the Orc Shaman, click on the link that says "Preorder Now" and it takes me to... Night Goblin Shamans? What? Okay, well, let's try this another way. Go to Warhammer.com, and there he is right on the home page. Search up Orc Shaman, scroll down (yep, there's the correct model in the picture), fifteen bucks seems like a reasonable price (I've watched this thing go for 4x+ that on Ebay over the last ten years), aaaaaaand "Temporarily Out of Stock". WTF??? I feel kind of like a chump clicking the "Notify When Available" button.
Is this a one-time only reprint and I've missed the (probably 3-min as Gallahad mentioned) window? Did they just not make enough or did they all get scooped up by eBay scalpers? Why get people hyped up over something that you can't deliver on? Grrrrr...
To turn this into a more positive interaction/post, I'll turn to the community here: from dealing with this type of thing from GW in the past, does anyone know how these releases typically go? Do you think ol' Nazgob will come back into stock in a reasonable time frame, or did I miss my one shot at getting one direct from the source?
You shouldn't have that long to wait for a reprint, seems the orcs have moved a hell of a lot slower than the other two.
Gallahad wrote: I tried to pre-order some stuff but just got several 404 errors. So frustrating. I hate dealing with GW.
Every time I try to purchase something from them it is some version of "those aren't actually available" either because I missed some 3 min preorder window, or they aren't up for order yet or the links from their own article are dead, or they are already out of stock, etc. etc.
Every interaction just leaves me with an unpleasant taste in my mouth.
This, exactly. I got to Warhammer Community because I'm excited to get the Orc Shaman, click on the link that says "Preorder Now" and it takes me to... Night Goblin Shamans? What? Okay, well, let's try this another way. Go to Warhammer.com, and there he is right on the home page. Search up Orc Shaman, scroll down (yep, there's the correct model in the picture), fifteen bucks seems like a reasonable price (I've watched this thing go for 4x+ that on Ebay over the last ten years), aaaaaaand "Temporarily Out of Stock". WTF??? I feel kind of like a chump clicking the "Notify When Available" button.
Is this a one-time only reprint and I've missed the (probably 3-min as Gallahad mentioned) window? Did they just not make enough or did they all get scooped up by eBay scalpers? Why get people hyped up over something that you can't deliver on? Grrrrr...
To turn this into a more positive interaction/post, I'll turn to the community here: from dealing with this type of thing from GW in the past, does anyone know how these releases typically go? Do you think ol' Nazgob will come back into stock in a reasonable time frame, or did I miss my one shot at getting one direct from the source?
You shouldn't have that long to wait for a reprint, seems the orcs have moved a hell of a lot slower than the other two.
I'm a bit surprised at this, I expected most things to sell out by now. Are they just not that a popular faction or something?
Those dwarfs in the picture are the real old dwarfs, i have the dwarfs after them looking a bit norse. The new ironbreakers and the irondrakes and the new hammerers are a bit overarmoured.
I even like the dwarfs from skull pass.
Gallahad wrote: I tried to pre-order some stuff but just got several 404 errors. So frustrating. I hate dealing with GW.
Every time I try to purchase something from them it is some version of "those aren't actually available" either because I missed some 3 min preorder window, or they aren't up for order yet or the links from their own article are dead, or they are already out of stock, etc. etc.
Every interaction just leaves me with an unpleasant taste in my mouth.
This, exactly. I got to Warhammer Community because I'm excited to get the Orc Shaman, click on the link that says "Preorder Now" and it takes me to... Night Goblin Shamans? What? Okay, well, let's try this another way. Go to Warhammer.com, and there he is right on the home page. Search up Orc Shaman, scroll down (yep, there's the correct model in the picture), fifteen bucks seems like a reasonable price (I've watched this thing go for 4x+ that on Ebay over the last ten years), aaaaaaand "Temporarily Out of Stock". WTF??? I feel kind of like a chump clicking the "Notify When Available" button.
Is this a one-time only reprint and I've missed the (probably 3-min as Gallahad mentioned) window? Did they just not make enough or did they all get scooped up by eBay scalpers? Why get people hyped up over something that you can't deliver on? Grrrrr...
To turn this into a more positive interaction/post, I'll turn to the community here: from dealing with this type of thing from GW in the past, does anyone know how these releases typically go? Do you think ol' Nazgob will come back into stock in a reasonable time frame, or did I miss my one shot at getting one direct from the source?
You shouldn't have that long to wait for a reprint, seems the orcs have moved a hell of a lot slower than the other two.
I'm a bit surprised at this, I expected most things to sell out by now. Are they just not that a popular faction or something?
More likely that they were always popular and more long lived than say bretts or TK so they've had a longer life span during previous versions of the game, meaning more 2nd hand availability or people with armies already.
I know I've had far better luck with picking up some 2nd hand gobbos in the last couple of months than I've had with picking up TKs in the last couple of years, so only had to get stuff this week that I've really really want a nice fresh kit for.
Yeah, it's not a coincidence that GW went with brets and tk as their first releases. They've been the most sought-after / expensive WHFB kits post AoS by a large margin. Likely there is just not the same demand for greenskins because they've been easily available in comaprison.
Mentlegen324 wrote: I'm a bit surprised at this, I expected most things to sell out by now. Are they just not that a popular faction or something?
They are, but bear in mind that half the army is still available to buy for AoS, so it's likely people just focused on those, and the Orc range hasn't been out of production/hard to get nearly as long as the first two armies.
And from a purely meta pov the strongest parts of the army are Boar Boys, Night Goblins with Fanatics and Black Orks, none of which were in this wave.
Also this was a big wave all in one go so if GW had good production on one end then on the other customers likely burned out of budgets of what they could afford all at once.
So that might well have spread the load on what sold out of stock .
Mentlegen324 wrote: I'm a bit surprised at this, I expected most things to sell out by now. Are they just not that a popular faction or something?
They are, but bear in mind that half the army is still available to buy for AoS, so it's likely people just focused on those, and the Orc range hasn't been out of production/hard to get nearly as long as the first two armies.
And from a purely meta pov the strongest parts of the army are Boar Boys, Night Goblins with Fanatics and Black Orks, none of which were in this wave.
Gallahad wrote: I tried to pre-order some stuff but just got several 404 errors. So frustrating. I hate dealing with GW.
Every time I try to purchase something from them it is some version of "those aren't actually available" either because I missed some 3 min preorder window, or they aren't up for order yet or the links from their own article are dead, or they are already out of stock, etc. etc.
Every interaction just leaves me with an unpleasant taste in my mouth.
This, exactly. I got to Warhammer Community because I'm excited to get the Orc Shaman, click on the link that says "Preorder Now" and it takes me to... Night Goblin Shamans? What? Okay, well, let's try this another way. Go to Warhammer.com, and there he is right on the home page. Search up Orc Shaman, scroll down (yep, there's the correct model in the picture), fifteen bucks seems like a reasonable price (I've watched this thing go for 4x+ that on Ebay over the last ten years), aaaaaaand "Temporarily Out of Stock". WTF??? I feel kind of like a chump clicking the "Notify When Available" button.
Is this a one-time only reprint and I've missed the (probably 3-min as Gallahad mentioned) window? Did they just not make enough or did they all get scooped up by eBay scalpers? Why get people hyped up over something that you can't deliver on? Grrrrr...
To turn this into a more positive interaction/post, I'll turn to the community here: from dealing with this type of thing from GW in the past, does anyone know how these releases typically go? Do you think ol' Nazgob will come back into stock in a reasonable time frame, or did I miss my one shot at getting one direct from the source?
You shouldn't have that long to wait for a reprint, seems the orcs have moved a hell of a lot slower than the other two.
The re-released stuff, of which most had been available fairly recently compared to TK and Brets, as others have said.
The new stuff though? Book, Black Orc Bigboss and Cards? Sold out in minutes. The dice ar the only new product that didn't sell like hot cakes, and that's because they are faily expensive and frankly not that good looking.
Book's available all over the place. Element and Wayland have got stacks according to their inventory screens. Sounds like a case of panic buying rather than shopping around.
But the vast majority of those metals haven't been available for a very long time either. Only some of the plastics were around until fairly recently.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Book's available all over the place. Element and Wayland have got stacks according to their inventory screens. Sounds like a case of panic buying rather than shopping around.
But the vast majority of those metals haven't been available for a very long time either. Only some of the plastics were around until fairly recently.
I was talking about the warhammer website
On most of the bigger sites in The Netherlands they also sold out very quickly.
Can't say for other countries, as i usually am inclined to only check those of the country where i live.
As for the re-releases: the troll hag has been available until fairly recently, orc Boyz and common goblins have never been very popular choices for the O&G army, the giant is so expensive and small; i think most people would buy a plastic giant or wait for the marauder and the common trolls are horrible compared to the stone- and river ones.
So there is some ok stuff in this release, but the heavy hitters (trolls, marauder giant, boar boys etc.) Aren't here yet.
Also, remember thst O&G have been a very popular army for as long as i can remember and tk and Brets were niche at best: there was just much more orc stuff sold over the years. Also, I've seen many photo's of AOS armies transformed into Old World armies. That was never a possibility with Brets and TK.
Brets and TK boxes were both great value as well. They had a new model and had the (new) rulebook in it, whereas the O&G box is lackluster at best, isn't sharply priced, doesn't include the book and doens't have any new models in it. The incentive to start a TK or Brets army was simply much bigger.
I don't think we can compare the sales of the other armies to TK and Brets. We can compare the O&G sales to the dwarves in a few months though.
Mr Morden wrote:None of the books are available digitally are they? - I have hard copies of the rulebook and main army books but no chance of the others...
There's certainly that element; plus the fact that right now there's hype and no models from GW so people are much more willing to part with more cash now before GW's official kits drain their wallets.
Now is the perfect time to start selling your old classic dwarf stuff
Mr Morden wrote:None of the books are available digitally are they? - I have hard copies of the rulebook and main army books but no chance of the others...
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