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Post by: Garrac
So, I thought it was apropiate to finally create a topic about the upcoming World Eaters codex, army and miniatures. Ill try to get this post renewed with all the official news at least
Lets remember they were oficially anounced last May during Warhammer Fest
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/04/blood-skulls-and-butchers-nails-the-world-eaters-are-getting-their-own-codex/
NEW LEAK! Angron, some zerkers and other miniatures in this edition of camera potato
The (confirmed) most important leak of the new wave of miniatures
Angron's new miniature oficially confirmed by WarCom
New squad od berserkers revealed!
Lord Invocatus revealed
Leaks of the model range
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Post by: ArcaneHorror
With the awesome Khorngor Blood Bowl models being released, I really hope that they are in the World Eaters codex.
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Post by: Garrac
ArcaneHorror wrote:With the awesome Khorngor Blood Bowl models being released, I really hope that they are in the World Eaters codex.
It's perfect for the "cultist dedicated", occupying the slot of poxwalkers and tzaangors (I really doubt GW releasing a whole army with just zerkers and classic cultists as Troops)
That’s not all – the codex will contain old favourites, dark legends, and some things that you’ve never seen before…
I would expect mostly:
-New zerkers (confirmed)
-Angron
-Khorne terminators
-Khornegors
-Generic zerker Lord
I suppose there are remaining new options for Fast Attack and Heavy Support to complete the codex. Don't know if their lore offers more generic characters
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Post by: Togusa
Garrac wrote: ArcaneHorror wrote:With the awesome Khorngor Blood Bowl models being released, I really hope that they are in the World Eaters codex.
It's perfect for the "cultist dedicated", occupying the slot of poxwalkers and tzaangors (I really doubt GW releasing a whole army with just zerkers and classic cultists as Troops)
That’s not all – the codex will contain old favourites, dark legends, and some things that you’ve never seen before…
I would expect mostly:
-New zerkers (confirmed)
-Angron
-Khorne terminators
-Khornegors
-Generic zerker Lord
I suppose there are remaining new options for Fast Attack and Heavy Support to complete the codex. Don't know if their lore offers more generic characters
World Eaters would be a good point to release generic bikers. A new Defiler model for HS would be good too.
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Post by: Sgt. Cortez
A plastic Blood Slaughterer would be cool, but from what we've seen in the past GW likes to make its own stuff instead of converting FW ideas. A Daemon engine is a given either way, in addition to the Maulerfiend being in that Codex probably.
Some people will hate it but Berzerkers on juggernauts would be awesome (they already look great in AoS, slap some backpack on them and you're fine ) .
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Post by: Platuan4th
Sgt. Cortez wrote:A plastic Blood Slaughterer would be cool, but from what we've seen in the past GW likes to make its own stuff instead of converting FW ideas. . First, plastic Valkyrie says hi. Second, Blood Slaughterers have existed since Rogue Trader, they're not a " FW idea".
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Post by: Garrac
Btw isn't it weird that we don't have any leaks yet? I expected at this point the return of the Camera-Potato
I guess this means the codex'll release on 2023...
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Post by: Togusa
Garrac wrote:Btw isn't it weird that we don't have any leaks yet? I expected at this point the return of the Camera-Potato
I guess this means the codex'll release on 2023...
From the musings of the net and people who've claimed to work for GW recently, apparently the internal crackdowns on leaks have been most....harsh. Sounds like they put Perturabo and Kurze in charge of handling spies.
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Post by: Undead_Love-Machine
Platuan4th wrote:Sgt. Cortez wrote:A plastic Blood Slaughterer would be cool, but from what we've seen in the past GW likes to make its own stuff instead of converting FW ideas. .
First, plastic Valkyrie says hi. Second, Blood Slaughterers have existed since Rogue Trader, they're not a " FW idea".
...and the Tyranid Trygon, the Tau Piranha, the Spartan, the Contemptor, the Deimos Rhino...I'm sure there's more, that's just the first few to come to mind.
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Post by: NinthMusketeer
Here's hoping that Khorne gets some nuance back, though I don't have the expectation of such. Have there been any publications this century where Khorne hasn't been one-dimensional?
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Post by: warboss
NinthMusketeer wrote:Here's hoping that Khorne gets some nuance back, though I don't have the expectation of such. Have there been any publications this century where Khorne hasn't been one-dimensional?
Rules? No idea. There was a short snippet in the early Horus Heresy books of a human empire that utilized Chaos powers during war (hinted IIRC as Khorne) where they were hesitant to talk to Horus due to his Warmaster title as they assumed he was fully in the thrall of the chaos powers. I think that was shortly before he was poisoned by the dagger.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
NinthMusketeer wrote:Here's hoping that Khorne gets some nuance back, though I don't have the expectation of such. Have there been any publications this century where Khorne hasn't been one-dimensional?
I have a sinking feeling that World Eaters will be the Space Wolves on the Traitor Legions, forever destined to be Flanderised out the wazoor with an devolution into nothing but a even bloodier bloody blood-soaked bloodletting blood pact of blood!!!
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Post by: John D Law
I know it’s never happening but I’d love the return of Khorne’s “real” champion. DOOMBREED! Ah maybe with daemons someday :(
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Post by: Platuan4th
Wasn't Doombreed mentioned in one of the AoS books relatively recently?
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Post by: Da Butcha
H.B.M.C. wrote: NinthMusketeer wrote:Here's hoping that Khorne gets some nuance back, though I don't have the expectation of such. Have there been any publications this century where Khorne hasn't been one-dimensional?
I have a sinking feeling that World Eaters will be the Space Wolves on the Traitor Legions, forever destined to be Flanderised out the wazoor with an devolution into nothing but a even bloodier bloody blood-soaked bloodletting blood pact of blood!!!
It's really uncanny. Kharn is probably not a fan-favorite in the Horus Heresy series, but he's interestingly written and pretty awesome even when he shows up in other books. The other World Eaters that have shown up (such as the Loyalist one that works for Malcador) are all pretty darn cool.
Yet all we get in 40K is Murder McMurderface.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I would hope so! He'd be a great counter to Murderfang.
I still can't believe that model exists.
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Post by: ArcaneHorror
Da Butcha wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote: NinthMusketeer wrote:Here's hoping that Khorne gets some nuance back, though I don't have the expectation of such. Have there been any publications this century where Khorne hasn't been one-dimensional?
I have a sinking feeling that World Eaters will be the Space Wolves on the Traitor Legions, forever destined to be Flanderised out the wazoor with an devolution into nothing but a even bloodier bloody blood-soaked bloodletting blood pact of blood!!!
It's really uncanny. Kharn is probably not a fan-favorite in the Horus Heresy series, but he's interestingly written and pretty awesome even when he shows up in other books. The other World Eaters that have shown up (such as the Loyalist one that works for Malcador) are all pretty darn cool.
Yet all we get in 40K is Murder McMurderface.
Not always. He's written quite well in Eater of Worlds and The Red Path.
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Post by: Sgt. Cortez
DG has had a similar fate already though. There's very little of their tragedy or agony and despair left when you read their Codex, it's much more: Praise the poo, look how my guts are hanging out, that's funny, eh?
They're gruesome monsters you don't need to hesitate to kill because they're evil and nothing more, which is sad, really. Lords of Silence luckily brought a little nuance back.
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Post by: NinthMusketeer
Sgt. Cortez wrote:DG has had a similar fate already though. There's very little of their tragedy or agony and despair left when you read their Codex, it's much more: Praise the poo, look how my guts are hanging out, that's funny, eh?
They're gruesome monsters you don't need to hesitate to kill because they're evil and nothing more, which is sad, really. Lords of Silence luckily brought a little nuance back.
That is very recent; the 9th ed codex has massively slimmed down fluff sections. The 8th ed codex still covered that, and Nurgle definitely has proper nuance on the AoS side.
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Platuan4th wrote:Wasn't Doombreed mentioned in one of the AoS books relatively recently?
Yes, he is tied to the Stormcast character Yndrasta (angelic figure on the front of the core rulebook); in her mortal life she led and army opposing Chaos until finally defeated by Doombreed. During this defeat she was dueling Doombreed and, realizing she was going to lose, opted to call down lightning on them both. Sigmar thought that was pretty cool and took her up to be reforged instead of letting her die. This event happened centuries before the events of the AoS game but it is a reference that only cropped up as of the 3rd edition launch. If they had been planning a Doombreed model the timing would line up but it is pretty circumstantial.
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Is that the very one found upon the planet Omnicide? Murderfang, bestowed with his special ability Murderlust, driving him to murder enemies with his weapons; the Murderclaws?
...Because one need not travel beyond the worship of Khorne to find true gems! Imagine Murderfang squaring off against a mighty Khorgorath:
And for a paltry 50 AUD you could have your very own Skarr Bloodwrath!
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Post by: Garrac
Reading the lore from the White Dwarf: they insist a lot in a new character notseen before in any book that I know of: Berserker surgeons.8in page 81) Looks like they are techmarines and apotecaries who have specialized on the technology of the Nails, and create new zerkers, be it extracting the genetic seed or implanting the Nails on new recruits. One even appears on the tale of Kharn.
That is very interesting because it explains perfectly how the World Eaters have survived ten milenia. I suppose they would be added on the new codex on HQ or Elite slots
Seeing that there's also a strat for the Red Butchers (WE termies), I would expect them too on the new codex
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Post by: blood reaper
Garrac wrote:Reading the lore from the White Dwarf: they insist a lot in a new character notseen before in any book that I know of: Berserker surgeons.8in page 81) Looks like they are techmarines and apotecaries who have specialized on the technology of the Nails, and create new zerkers, be it extracting the genetic seed or implanting the Nails on new recruits. One even appears on the tale of Kharn.
That is very interesting because it explains perfectly how the World Eaters have survived ten milenia. I suppose they would be added on the new codex on HQ or Elite slots
Seeing that there's also a strat for the Red Butchers ( WE termies), I would expect them too on the new codex
Beserker Surgeons have been mentioned in the lore since 4th edition at the latest. I would hope to see figures for them.
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Post by: BrianDavion
thats honestly not new, thats been around awhile.
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Post by: Agamemnon2
NinthMusketeer wrote:
...Because one need not travel beyond the worship of Khorne to find true gems! Imagine Murderfang squaring off against a mighty Khorgorath:
Ugh, I really hate this school of design for Chaos monsters, where entire skulls are just embedded whole in their (presumably soft and malleable) flesh, but everything is painted to be super clean and distinct. It's like the creature is afflicted with Skullpox.
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Post by: blood reaper
Agamemnon2 wrote: NinthMusketeer wrote:
...Because one need not travel beyond the worship of Khorne to find true gems! Imagine Murderfang squaring off against a mighty Khorgorath:
Ugh, I really hate this school of design for Chaos monsters, where entire skulls are just embedded whole in their (presumably soft and malleable) flesh, but everything is painted to be super clean and distinct. It's like the creature is afflicted with Skullpox.
Skullpox HAS to be a thing in the lore.
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Post by: Albertorius
Skull pimples, more like.
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Post by: Fayric
Thread title should say: "World Eaters Whishlist and and casual speculation", because thats what it will for about 30 pages untill some snippet of actual rumor appear (and even then it will be 90% musings about some detail of lore thet might get attention).
Not that Im complaing, its always good fun as we wait.
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Post by: cuda1179
I'd like to see the return of Juggernauts, both as a Character mount and as a unit.
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Post by: Nicorex
H.B.M.C. wrote: NinthMusketeer wrote:Here's hoping that Khorne gets some nuance back, though I don't have the expectation of such. Have there been any publications this century where Khorne hasn't been one-dimensional?
I have a sinking feeling that World Eaters will be the Space Wolves on the Traitor Legions, forever destined to be Flanderised out the wazoor with an devolution into nothing but a even bloodier bloody blood-soaked bloodletting blood pact of blood!!!
And they wont even get the decent latiny blood names, since those will all go to the Blood Angels".
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Post by: NinthMusketeer
cuda1179 wrote:I'd like to see the return of Juggernauts, both as a Character mount and as a unit.
Skullcrushers but with CSM riders would be pretty dam badass.
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Post by: Strg Alt
It´s ugly as sin. Great to accompany the likes of Mutilators. Automatically Appended Next Post: Garrac wrote:Reading the lore from the White Dwarf: they insist a lot in a new character notseen before in any book that I know of: Berserker surgeons.8in page 81) Looks like they are techmarines and apotecaries who have specialized on the technology of the Nails, and create new zerkers, be it extracting the genetic seed or implanting the Nails on new recruits. One even appears on the tale of Kharn.
That is very interesting because it explains perfectly how the World Eaters have survived ten milenia. I suppose they would be added on the new codex on HQ or Elite slots
Seeing that there's also a strat for the Red Butchers ( WE termies), I would expect them too on the new codex
How can they act as techmarines or apothecaries when they suffer from the nails themselves?
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Post by: alextroy
Because the nails want to be spread
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Post by: Boosykes
In Fabius Bile books one serves him and uses a cocktail of drugs to keep it in check.
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Post by: NinthMusketeer
That... would actually be pretty cool, IMO.
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Post by: Agamemnon2
NinthMusketeer wrote: cuda1179 wrote:I'd like to see the return of Juggernauts, both as a Character mount and as a unit.
Skullcrushers but with CSM riders would be pretty dam badass.
Magmathrax deservers to be legal once again.
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Post by: queen_annes_revenge
Let's not start picking at threads... As long as they have cool models!
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Post by: Garrac
blood reaper wrote:
Beserker Surgeons have been mentioned in the lore since 4th edition at the latest. I would hope to see figures for them.
Oh, I didn't know that! Where were they first mentioned?
Strg Alt wrote:
How can they act as techmarines or apothecaries when they suffer from the nails themselves?
They are but a mix of both of them, as the nails are half technology, half biology
As Betrayer stated, the nails are impossible to remove whitout damaging the host, but looks like they are relatively easy to duplicate. As it benefits Khorne and can produce more potential skulls for the skulls throne, is an acceptable tactic and I supose zerker-surgeons are allowed to retain certain inteligence (but, if you read the recent Kharn tale from the WD you'll realize GW is approaching the WE as marines that still can work, talk and plan strategies, as simple as they can be)
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Post by: Dysartes
NinthMusketeer wrote:...Because one need not travel beyond the worship of Khorne to find true gems! Imagine Murderfang squaring off against a mighty Khorgorath:
I wouldn't be against that being in the WE line-up, alongside the Slaughterbrute
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Post by: Agamemnon2
That seems pretty plausible to me, GW likes having demonic models do double-duty, and these Chaos monsters could be explained as fighting beasts from the mortal combat arenas of whatever incarnadine world Berzerkers hail from.
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Post by: Dysartes
If nothing else, the Khorgorath looks to be the right sort of size and pose to work well as a base for a fleshier WE Hellbrute.
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Post by: NinthMusketeer
Only exists as part of a multi-sprue at the moment so I wouldn't have my fingers crossed.
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Post by: Garrac
From B& Ch
Looks like maybe we'll get the codex this year! (A very big grain of salt is required here)
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Post by: Dysartes
NinthMusketeer wrote:Only exists as part of a multi-sprue at the moment so I wouldn't have my fingers crossed.
Ah, that's a shame - wondered why he was only in a SC box atm.
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Post by: NinthMusketeer
Garrac wrote:From B& Ch
Looks like maybe we'll get the codex this year! (A very big grain of salt is required here)
Hm, a mix of the very predictable and not. Unfortunately a combination that matches GW releases and false rumormongers both, though this one feels true. Can't put a finger on it though, and certainly with the world as it is plans can change either way.
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Post by: chaos0xomega
Garrac wrote:As Betrayer stated, the nails are impossible to remove whitout damaging the host, but looks like they are relatively easy to duplicate. As it benefits Khorne and can produce more potential skulls for the skulls throne, is an acceptable tactic and I supose zerker-surgeons are allowed to retain certain inteligence (but, if you read the recent Kharn tale from the WD you'll realize GW is approaching the WE as marines that still can work, talk and plan strategies, as simple as they can be)
It needs to be mentioned that the nails described in Betrayer are the nails that Angron has which are Nucerian archeotech. They were *impossible* to duplicate and behave differently from the Nails that the rest of the World Eaters legion has, which are an entirely different and simpler technology that produces similar but less extreme results to the nails Angron had.
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Post by: Voss
Garrac wrote:From B& Ch
..
Looks like maybe we'll get the codex this year! (A very big grain of salt is required here)
Not really. The preview show article heavily implied (to just short of stating outright) a matter of months. It was worded much the same way as the initial Votann article.
I'm actually less convinced guard is coming between the two, but sure, that might happen.
Old genestealers with an upgrade sprue as half the KT release sounds bad. Or simply disappointing.
And annoying for invalidating the codex datasheet so soon.
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Post by: Sasori
I almost want to think Daemons could be next. They got no dataslate update, which seems like it would be very odd if they were not soon with how bad they are struggling.
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Post by: Voss
Sasori wrote:I almost want to think Daemons could be next. They got no dataslate update, which seems like it would be very odd if they were not soon with how bad they are struggling.
GW struggles with what to do with some armies, and as daemons are fundamentally broken (with how they interact with detachments and army building) its no surprise that they're at the back. The leak rumors for daemons rather reinforce this idea. That's a lot of stray spaghetti stuck to the walls.
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Post by: Daedalus81
Sasori wrote:I almost want to think Daemons could be next. They got no dataslate update, which seems like it would be very odd if they were not soon with how bad they are struggling.
Daemons had a 47% WR this past weekend and are certainly not bottom barrel.
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Post by: ArcaneHorror
Daedalus81 wrote: Sasori wrote:I almost want to think Daemons could be next. They got no dataslate update, which seems like it would be very odd if they were not soon with how bad they are struggling.
Daemons had a 47% WR this past weekend and are certainly not bottom barrel.
Do you know specifically which god(s) we're represented?
Something of note, due to there not being any Renegade rules in the CSM codex, some Crimson Slaughter fans are thinking of using the upcoming World Eaters codex to play their armies.
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Post by: tneva82
Dysartes wrote: NinthMusketeer wrote:...Because one need not travel beyond the worship of Khorne to find true gems! Imagine Murderfang squaring off against a mighty Khorgorath:
I wouldn't be against that being in the WE line-up, alongside the Slaughterbrute
Just one problem. It's only available in sprue with aos khorne infantry.
Grumble grumble. Want like 8. But 8 sc is lot.
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Post by: Hecaton
Why do they think they need 10th edition? Just patch the morale phase and the codexes. Release another limited box that's blood angels vs. Nids if you want.
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Post by: Manfred von Drakken
Hecaton wrote:Why do they think they need 10th edition? Just patch the morale phase and the codexes. Release another limited box that's blood angels vs. Nids if you want.
I'm rapidly approaching the 'screw new editions' camp. With all the dataslates and quarterly updates, they're about this close to living rulebook.
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Post by: Andykp
NinthMusketeer wrote: cuda1179 wrote:I'd like to see the return of Juggernauts, both as a Character mount and as a unit.
Skullcrushers but with CSM riders would be pretty dam badass.
I made some a while ago. Love them.
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Post by: NinthMusketeer
Daedalus81 wrote: Sasori wrote:I almost want to think Daemons could be next. They got no dataslate update, which seems like it would be very odd if they were not soon with how bad they are struggling.
Daemons had a 47% WR this past weekend and are certainly not bottom barrel.
Daemons had a 47% WR [with specific army lists] this past weekend [at tournaments] and are certainly not bottom barrel [with a handful of lists, during one weekend, at tournaments which reported stats, in a manner giving immense skew towards 50%].
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Post by: Boosykes
Agamemnon2 wrote:That seems pretty plausible to me, GW likes having demonic models do double-duty, and these Chaos monsters could be explained as fighting beasts from the mortal combat arenas of whatever incarnadine world Berzerkers hail from.
I would rather they keep the. Odels seperatfrom age of sigmar and 40k they look daft mutilith Vortex beast really has nothing to do with 40k.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
NinthMusketeer wrote: Daedalus81 wrote:Daemons had a 47% WR this past weekend and are certainly not bottom barrel.
Daemons had a 47% WR [with specific army lists] this past weekend [at tournaments] and are certainly not bottom barrel [with a handful of lists, during one weekend, at tournaments which reported stats, in a manner giving immense skew towards 50%].
Nah man, it's cool. D says they're doing well at tournaments, and as that's literally the only measure we have for anything related to 40k (and certainly the only one that matters!), I guess this means Daemons are A-OK!
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Post by: Darnok
NinthMusketeer wrote:Only exists as part of a multi-sprue at the moment so I wouldn't have my fingers crossed.
It would be a great chance to change this though. Release a multipart Khorgorath and sell it to 40K and AoS players alike, win-win really.
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Post by: Agamemnon2
Boosykes wrote: Agamemnon2 wrote:That seems pretty plausible to me, GW likes having demonic models do double-duty, and these Chaos monsters could be explained as fighting beasts from the mortal combat arenas of whatever incarnadine world Berzerkers hail from.
I would rather they keep the. Odels seperatfrom age of sigmar and 40k they look daft mutilith Vortex beast really has nothing to do with 40k.
Well, that ship is already sailed, didn't they add the MVB to the Thousand Sons book a few years back?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
And it'd be great to have the other half of that kit - the Slaughterbrute - as part of the WE book.
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Post by: Dysartes
Agamemnon2 wrote:Boosykes wrote: Agamemnon2 wrote:That seems pretty plausible to me, GW likes having demonic models do double-duty, and these Chaos monsters could be explained as fighting beasts from the mortal combat arenas of whatever incarnadine world Berzerkers hail from.
I would rather they keep the. Odels seperatfrom age of sigmar and 40k they look daft mutilith Vortex beast really has nothing to do with 40k.
Well, that ship is already sailed, didn't they add the MVB to the Thousand Sons book a few years back?
Not to mention the Tzaangors (though with an add-on sprue) as part of the same launch.
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Post by: tneva82
Hecaton wrote:Why do they think they need 10th edition? Just patch the morale phase and the codexes. Release another limited box that's blood angels vs. Nids if you want.
New edition=print money button.
Do you need money? Why you think gw refuses getting as much money as they can?
2nd, 3rd, 8th. Only 40k editions that weren't just some batches in effect.
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Post by: jullevi
The only thing interesting about new edition is to find out what makes it the best edition ever this time.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Oh boys!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Looks to be Angry Ron, New Bezerkers, possibly a new Cultist unit right up the back.
Also seemingly new Chadians and possibly a new IG Tank.
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Post by: blood reaper
Looks like there's some melee cultists in the background as well.
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Post by: Arbitrator
So does this go to confirm the whole "we're super early in development, we'll be sharing you the work in progress!" was always nonsense and the "we made Sisters because of the community poll!" was marketing tripe and a happy coincidence?
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Erm…..no?
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Post by: blood reaper
Arbitrator wrote:So does this go to confirm the whole "we're super early in development, we'll be sharing you the work in progress!" was always nonsense and the "we made Sisters because of the community poll!" was marketing tripe and a happy coincidence?
I mean yeah 100% these projects are done over the course of years - if this was really super early in development we'd be seeing them in three or four years time.
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Post by: jullevi
Angry Ron is not as cool as Ka'Bandha but at least he is plastic. Canadians look good from what I can see.
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Post by: techsoldaten
Arbitrator wrote:So does this go to confirm the whole "we're super early in development, we'll be sharing you the work in progress!" was always nonsense and the "we made Sisters because of the community poll!" was marketing tripe and a happy coincidence?
Yes.
Have never known GW to talk about models / rules they have not made.
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Post by: BrianDavion
Arbitrator wrote:So does this go to confirm the whole "we're super early in development, we'll be sharing you the work in progress!" was always nonsense and the "we made Sisters because of the community poll!" was marketing tripe and a happy coincidence?
where does that come from with the fact that world eaters are getting new stuff? seriously how does that tie to sisters of battle at all?
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Post by: Selfcontrol
Years ago (3-4 years I think), there was an interview with John Blanche on Warhammer Community. At the end of the interview, he was asked which Traitor Legion was his favourite and he said it was the World Eaters.
Then, the interviewer said "If only we had models coming for them" before looking straight at the camera with a smile.
Of course the models are ready.
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Post by: Wha-Mu-077
BrianDavion wrote: Arbitrator wrote:So does this go to confirm the whole "we're super early in development, we'll be sharing you the work in progress!" was always nonsense and the "we made Sisters because of the community poll!" was marketing tripe and a happy coincidence?
where does that come from with the fact that world eaters are getting new stuff? seriously how does that tie to sisters of battle at all?
The fact Sisters went through the exact same entire song and dance of "Uhhh guys we're totally in early work in progress" as the World Eaters?
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Pretty sure they just said they were working on World Eaters? Hence they wouldn’t be in the main Codex.
But otherwise solid, solid Dakka. Show a pic of stuff people have been wanting for years (new Bezerkers, and Angron), and shift dem goal posts to get a quick whine in.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Pretty sure they just said they were working on World Eaters? Hence they wouldn’t be in the main Codex.
But otherwise solid, solid Dakka. Show a pic of stuff people have been wanting for years (new Bezerkers, and Angron), and shift dem goal posts to get a quick whine in.
They mentioned in the streams where they showed stuff off that the reason we were only getting concept art for chain axes and artwork was because of how early in development the army was, but go off I guess.
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Post by: Chikout
I thought it was common knowledge that almost all minis are finished 2 years before release.
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Post by: tneva82
Wha-Mu-077 wrote:BrianDavion wrote: Arbitrator wrote:So does this go to confirm the whole "we're super early in development, we'll be sharing you the work in progress!" was always nonsense and the "we made Sisters because of the community poll!" was marketing tripe and a happy coincidence?
where does that come from with the fact that world eaters are getting new stuff? seriously how does that tie to sisters of battle at all?
The fact Sisters went through the exact same entire song and dance of "Uhhh guys we're totally in early work in progress" as the World Eaters?
Well sisters did take good 1.5 year from first preview to launch box(and then few months more for actual launch) so if WE follows same pattern expect them november 2023.
If they come sooner then no they aren't comparable cases at all.
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Post by: blood reaper
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
But otherwise solid, solid Dakka. Show a pic of stuff people have been wanting for years (new Bezerkers, and Angron), and shift dem goal posts to get a quick whine in.
I don't think you know what 'shifting goal posts' actually means.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
That’s not my recollection, but open to being wrong.
Either way? Get stuff earlier than expected.
Bitch piss and whine about it.
Profit?
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Post by: Wha-Mu-077
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:That’s not my recollection, but open to being wrong.
Either way? Get stuff earlier than expected.
Bitch piss and whine about it.
Profit?
This doesn't mean we're getting stuff earlier than expected, if it goes the same as Sister's release, this means they already have everything finished and completely ready for release, but are going to hog it for a year or so while pretending they're still totally working on it.
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Post by: Darnok
Arbitrator wrote:So does this go to confirm the whole "we're super early in development, we'll be sharing you the work in progress!" was always nonsense and the "we made Sisters because of the community poll!" was marketing tripe and a happy coincidence?
Nobody ever said the WE were "super early in development". Sharing some renders of chainaxes can be interpreted as WIP... that does not mean it had to be done recently.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
blood reaper wrote: Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
But otherwise solid, solid Dakka. Show a pic of stuff people have been wanting for years (new Bezerkers, and Angron), and shift dem goal posts to get a quick whine in.
I don't think you know what 'shifting goal posts' actually means.
Community wants updated Bezerkers. Has done for a long while.
GW makes Bezerkers.
Community - not that soon reeeeeeeeee.
The reeeeeeee is the audible sound of the goal posts being shifted, purely for the sake of something, anything to whine about.
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Post by: blood reaper
It's very funny that people who complain about 'whining' so much (which was like, two comments by people saying 'I guess it's not as early as in development as GW claimed') fall into these bizarre, caustic rants. The amount of seethe on the part of some people on this site is completely unreal and totally disproportionate.
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: blood reaper wrote: Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
But otherwise solid, solid Dakka. Show a pic of stuff people have been wanting for years (new Bezerkers, and Angron), and shift dem goal posts to get a quick whine in.
I don't think you know what 'shifting goal posts' actually means.
Community wants updated Bezerkers. Has done for a long while.
GW makes Bezerkers.
Community - not that soon reeeeeeeeee.
The reeeeeeee is the audible sound of the goal posts being shifted, purely for the sake of something, anything to whine about.
That's uh, NOT what people were posting.
People are not complaining it's a bad thing that they are coming out lol people are saying "I guess GW wasn't being honest or frank about development time".
Why are you people like this? The positivity cult here is insane. Any question or doubt of anything is taken as a desire to complain (incidentally, you are now fixating on 'complaining about the complainers).
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Well. Given we can prove anything with facts?
Warhammer Community post wrote: The new codex for the XII Legion is still a little way off – but the Warhammer Studio are hard at work in Khorne’s sweltering hell-forges, and we couldn’t be more excited. In the meantime, those of you who already have World Eaters armies can keep taking heads – we’ll soon be publishing an Index Hereticus of updated rules in White Dwarf, including datasheets for Khârn and the Berzerkers, to use with the new Codex: Chaos Space Marines.
Show me, precisely where, that is saying they’ve only just started working on them?
Not enough evidence people are talking utter, utter mince for the sake of something to whine about?
Same article wrote: Among the new models arriving with the codex are – of course – updated Khorne Berzerkers! The current miniatures have served the Lord of War for decades, claimed plenty of skulls and spilt their share of blood, and now it’s time for them to return to the Brass Citadel and put their feet up.* But what will the new miniatures look like? We managed to twist a few arms in the studio for an exclusive first look at something rather important…
Let’s carry on, shall we?
yep, same article. Funny what you can find when you bother to check and don’t just make stuff up wrote: Khorne Berzerkers can’t go anywhere without their roaring chainaxes, and they’ll be using these heinous hatchets to chop their way through everything the 41st Millennium has to offer.
That’s not all – the codex will contain old favourites, dark legends, and some things that you’ve never seen before… We’ll be bringing you more updates on Codex: World Eaters and these murderous new miniatures over the next few months on Warhammer Community – so you can follow the Eightfold Path right up to release.
Now, that article is dated 4 May 2022.
Nowhere. Literally nowhere. Does it say. In any way, shape or form World Eaters are just beginning as a project.
Nowhere does it say they’re a year or more out.
The closest thing to that, in an article now a smidge over two months old, I’ve bolded in the quote.
So please. Explain to me the basis of GW being awful liars here?
Don’t worry. I’ll wait.
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Post by: xttz
Darnok wrote: Arbitrator wrote:So does this go to confirm the whole "we're super early in development, we'll be sharing you the work in progress!" was always nonsense and the "we made Sisters because of the community poll!" was marketing tripe and a happy coincidence?
Nobody ever said the WE were "super early in development". Sharing some renders of chainaxes can be interpreted as WIP... that does not mean it had to be done recently.
Here's the quote from the related article, all it really says is that they weren't ready to show off the new model range yet
The new codex for the XII Legion is still a little way off – but the Warhammer Studio are hard at work in Khorne’s sweltering hell-forges, and we couldn’t be more excited. In the meantime, those of you who already have World Eaters armies can keep taking heads – we’ll soon be publishing an Index Hereticus of updated rules in White Dwarf, including datasheets for Khârn and the Berzerkers, to use with the new Codex: Chaos Space Marines.
Among the new models arriving with the codex are – of course – updated Khorne Berzerkers! The current miniatures have served the Lord of War for decades, claimed plenty of skulls and spilt their share of blood, and now it’s time for them to return to the Brass Citadel and put their feet up.* But what will the new miniatures look like? We managed to twist a few arms in the studio for an exclusive first look at something rather important…
I don't recall them saying "super early in development" on the stream either.
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Post by: Manfred von Drakken
blood reaper wrote:People are not complaining it's a bad thing that they are coming out lol people are saying "I guess GW wasn't being honest or frank about development time".
Why are you people like this? The positivity cult here is insane. Any question or doubt of anything is taken as a desire to complain (incidentally, you are now fixating on 'complaining about the complainers).
I don't recall GW putting a timeframe out at all. It's not like they said, "Hey, guys, we decided last week to give the World Eaters their own codex. And we're finally making new Berzerkers; here's a render of the weapons the design team threw together yesterday."
They said it's coming, and here's a teaser for you.
Stuff is arriving sooner than people assumed, and then they whine about it. It's clear there's a segment of the local population that just needs to whine about something.
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Post by: Agamemnon2
That's an amazingly garbage picture. There's also a floating cursor on it (by the edge of Angron's chainaxe)., and the cursor itself looks crappy and low-res. So I'm guessing a digital image leak instead of a printed publication. The cropping looks odd and intentional. Or is this a vertical-mode phone pic? But if so, why is the quality so abysmal? Has it been enlarged? But if so, why has it been cropped so closely when there's clearly more interesting stuff right by the edges, like the lump to the right that could be a piece of a Guard tank?
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Post by: JSG
Yes, sisters were already done, WE are already done and so are the Dawnbringer Crusades for AoS. GW isn't going to show you things in development for the simple reason that they're likely to change. Does anyone believe the sculptor didn't edit that Angron a million times before declaring it finished?
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Post by: blood reaper
I can't recall anyone calling GW 'awful evil liars' . The most negative comment (which you have extrapolated as being a polemic about GW) is...
""we're super early in development, we'll be sharing you the work in progress!" was always nonsense"
Which you know, you can say is an incorrect claim, but it's not a particularly furious or angry comment (unless Arbitrator does in fact hate the fact the stuff is coming a month or two earlier than expected - but you'd have to ask him)
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Agamemnon2 wrote:That's an amazingly garbage picture. There's also a floating cursor on it (by the edge of Angron's chainaxe)., and the cursor itself looks crappy and low-rest. So I'm guessing a digital image leak instead of a printed publication.
I can’t reveal my source, but I don’t think they had it first hand. Can only provide what I can provide.
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Post by: blood reaper
JSG wrote:Yes, sisters were already done, WE are already done and so are the Dawnbringer Crusades for AoS. GW isn't going to show you things in development for the simple reason that they're likely to change. Does anyone believe the sculptor didn't edit that Angron a million times before declaring it finished?
Forge World used to actually show WIP miniatures and many of them went through huge changes - for example, Kor Phaeron was previewed in White Dwarf and looked very, very different to the figure which was released.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
blood reaper wrote:I can't recall anyone calling GW 'awful evil liars' . The most negative comment (which you have extrapolated as being a polemic about GW) is...
""we're super early in development, we'll be sharing you the work in progress!" was always nonsense"
Which you know, you can say is an incorrect claim, but it's not a particularly furious or angry comment (unless Arbitrator does in fact hate the fact the stuff is coming a month or two earlier than expected - but you'd have to ask him)
Mate it’s an outright lie used to manufacture outrage that GW had lied about a timescale. When, as ably demonstrated, they haven’t.
Why does Arbitrator constantly feel the need to have something to whine about? IDKIDC. But I’ll keep calling out such nonsense when I see it.
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Post by: blood reaper
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: blood reaper wrote:I can't recall anyone calling GW 'awful evil liars' . The most negative comment (which you have extrapolated as being a polemic about GW) is...
""we're super early in development, we'll be sharing you the work in progress!" was always nonsense"
Which you know, you can say is an incorrect claim, but it's not a particularly furious or angry comment (unless Arbitrator does in fact hate the fact the stuff is coming a month or two earlier than expected - but you'd have to ask him)
Mate it’s an outright lie used to manufacture outrage that GW had lied about a timescale. When, as ably demonstrated, they haven’t.
Why does Arbitrator constantly feel the need to have something to whine about? IDKIDC. But I’ll keep calling out such nonsense when I see it.
I don't really think they're going to 'manufacture outrage' by asking a pretty basic question about a practice which is common in many industries. I think there is something very strange in fixating so much on 'the negativity and whining' and in turn falling into these near hysterical negative fits over it.
You could've really just quoted the original piece and pointed out that GW hadn't said it was that far off, rather than "You DASTARDLY FIENDS lying about dear GW and ALWAYS seeking to COMPLAIN!"
Ironically you have whined more about the 'whining' (which comes off as such a desperate poisoning the well phrase) than the original posters did.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Oh there’s plenty to complain about (CSM’s weird arse Codex. Eldar still missing Plastic Aspects to name but two).
But just making stuff up to have something, anything to whine about irks me.
And yes. I did just differentiate between a complaint (Waiter, I asked for my Steak medium rare, this is well done) and a whine (Waiter why are there an odd number of peas on my plate and why is her carrot 2mm longer than me I want to speak to the manager).
One is rooted in a factual basis. Now not all will agree on all complaint points, sure.
The other. Whining. Is desperately trying to find something to bash GW with.
Here, Arbitrator has made stuff, referring to a comment never actually made to try to bash GW.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Guys. Guys.
THE GUARDSMEN HAVE BACKPACKS! Yeeeeeeeeeeeeah!
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Post by: xttz
blood reaper wrote:
I don't really think they're going to 'manufacture outrage' by asking a pretty basic question about a practice which is common in many industries. I think there is something very strange in fixating so much on 'the negativity and whining' and in turn falling into these near hysterical negative fits over it.
Ah so it's actually all OK because Arbitrator is "just asking questions"? That's good to know.
Please stop calling out obvious lies in future everyone. It's fine to lie but it's bad to be too "hysterical" about it!
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Post by: Scottywan82
I realized Angron wouldn't look like the old Epic model at all, but I am somewhat surprised how much like a Bloodthirster he looks. Just seems like a strange aesthetic choice, I guess. Super excited for these, though! Especially new human chaos troops of any stripe. Bring on the cultists!
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One might be toting a shotgun?
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Post by: Scottywan82
It does look like that, yeah. I wonder if this means the new Cadian sprue, like the various Kill Team kits we have seen elsewhere, will include a "veteran" loadout in addition to the standard unit.
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Post by: Mchagen
I'm kinda at the too little, too late stage for the berserkers. It's good they finally updated them though.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
There’s a suggestion by a poster on B&C there are Terminators in the pic.
They may be right, but I’m not sure. But I do think there’s what looks to be something shirtless and Orgyn sized, just under Angry Ron’s left wing?
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Post by: blood reaper
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:There’s a suggestion by a poster on B&C there are Terminators in the pic.
They may be right, but I’m not sure. But I do think there’s what looks to be something shirtless and Orgyn sized, just under Angry Ron’s left wing?
May be a support character or something.
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Post by: xttz
Wonder if they'll officially reveal any of these now or just ignore the leak. If the rumoured schedule is true and most of this stuff is next year, then it'll probably be the same approach as the HH leaks.
With the picture being mainly focused on World Eaters this does lend weight to the new Guard models being released first, as GW are normally fairly careful about artwork like this having unreleased models.
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Post by: blood reaper
xttz wrote:Wonder if they'll officially reveal any of these now or just ignore the leak. If the rumoured schedule is true and most of this stuff is next year, then it'll probably be the same approach as the HH leaks.
With the picture being mainly focused on World Eaters this does lend weight to the new Guard models being released first, as GW are normally fairly careful about artwork like this having unreleased models.
Could be released around the same time or in close proximity? A bunch of leaks seem to have claimed they'd be released around the end of the year.
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
Will world eaters get a launch box style release like beast snaggas and templars, or will we maybe see a battle box with new guard in the style of the csm vs eldar one?
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Post by: tneva82
JSG wrote:Yes, sisters were already done, WE are already done and so are the Dawnbringer Crusades for AoS. GW isn't going to show you things in development for the simple reason that they're likely to change. Does anyone believe the sculptor didn't edit that Angron a million times before declaring it finished?
Sisters took over 1.5 years for main release. That actually fits idea of them starting and completing with about year from release...And seeing nobody expected them to show real time they had easily year to work on it presuming work started early 2018(with couple months before first previews)
We they didn't claim it's early stage or it's far away. "little while". Not "far away".
You are sayng cats are same as dogs. Or arquing without bothering to read what gw said(i give you benefit of doubt and assume you are able to read'.
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Post by: Arbitrator
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: blood reaper wrote:I can't recall anyone calling GW 'awful evil liars' . The most negative comment (which you have extrapolated as being a polemic about GW) is... ""we're super early in development, we'll be sharing you the work in progress!" was always nonsense" Which you know, you can say is an incorrect claim, but it's not a particularly furious or angry comment (unless Arbitrator does in fact hate the fact the stuff is coming a month or two earlier than expected - but you'd have to ask him) Mate it’s an outright lie used to manufacture outrage that GW had lied about a timescale. When, as ably demonstrated, they haven’t. Why does Arbitrator constantly feel the need to have something to whine about? IDKIDC. But I’ll keep calling out such nonsense when I see it.
Why do you constantly feel the need to defend a billion dollar company? If you're actually one of their social media managers I understand though. My comment was more about them claiming Sisters were a response to polling anyway. Yeah I post a offhand negative comment but I didn't expect most of a page to be dedicated to it. MajorWesJanson wrote:Will world eaters get a launch box style release like beast snaggas and templars, or will we maybe see a battle box with new guard in the style of the csm vs eldar one?
I think it'll be a launch box. They're usually worse value than the battle boxes since their contents are usually 100% new (except BT) and they know WE are going to sell insanely well. I bet the next battle box will be Guard vs Daemons. blood reaper wrote: xttz wrote:Wonder if they'll officially reveal any of these now or just ignore the leak. If the rumoured schedule is true and most of this stuff is next year, then it'll probably be the same approach as the HH leaks. With the picture being mainly focused on World Eaters this does lend weight to the new Guard models being released first, as GW are normally fairly careful about artwork like this having unreleased models. Could be released around the same time or in close proximity? A bunch of leaks seem to have claimed they'd be released around the end of the year.
I think it'll be early or mid 2023. There's a half a year gap until 10th edition they probably won't fill with just Daemon stuff.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Scottywan82 wrote: It does look like that, yeah. I wonder if this means the new Cadian sprue, like the various Kill Team kits we have seen elsewhere, will include a "veteran" loadout in addition to the standard unit.
We've supposedly seen the Kill Team kit for them already. That weird, random, out of nowhere sprue. The bit that looks like it "might be toting a shotgun" seems to be a redesigned grenade launcher, ala the breach-loader that the DKoK have.
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Post by: Sim-Life
Angron looks like a slightly fancier bloodthirster. Way to think outside the box GW.
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Post by: blood reaper
Sim-Life wrote:Angron looks like a slightly fancier bloodthirster. Way to think outside the box GW.
To be fair, this has always been DP Angron's design.
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
blood reaper wrote: Sim-Life wrote:Angron looks like a slightly fancier bloodthirster. Way to think outside the box GW.
To be fair, this has always been DP Angron's design.
It was also this:
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Post by: blood reaper
I mean yeah but GW are now very particular about matching up art and mins. I don't think it should surprise anyone the Angron min and the Heresy pics are very, very close.
ALSO - some people on reddit are suggesting the models in the background are not cultists, but Khorngors?
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Post by: JSG
Kinda crazy that so far every Daemon Primarch has leaked. Wonder how we'll see Fulgrim.
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Post by: zend
JSG wrote:Kinda crazy that so far every Daemon Primarch has leaked. Wonder how we'll see Fulgrim.
Inb4 DEA raid on a Warhammer store that turns up a bunch of cocaine, and the body cam that’s conveniently released to the public catches a glimpse of all of the new EC models.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
blood reaper wrote:I mean yeah but GW are now very particular about matching up art and mins. I don't think it should surprise anyone the Angron min and the Heresy pics are very, very close.
ALSO - some people on reddit are suggesting the models in the background are not cultists, but Khorngors?
They could well be Khorngors. Dog headed, reverse jointed legs? Difficult to say of course because the pic is so….crap. But I wouldn’t rule it out.
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Post by: blood reaper
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: blood reaper wrote:I mean yeah but GW are now very particular about matching up art and mins. I don't think it should surprise anyone the Angron min and the Heresy pics are very, very close.
ALSO - some people on reddit are suggesting the models in the background are not cultists, but Khorngors?
They could well be Khorngors. Dog headed, reverse jointed legs? Difficult to say of course because the pic is so….crap. But I wouldn’t rule it out.
Also potential duel-kit for AoS like the Tzangors. Needless to say, I would love Khorngors over Khorne Cultists.
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Post by: Wha-Mu-077
These guys look... weird. At least one has Cataphractii shoulder pads. Any theories on what they could be? I doubt it's an actual Termie unit, judging by their overall posture.
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blood reaper wrote:I mean yeah but GW are now very particular about matching up art and mins. I don't think it should surprise anyone the Angron min and the Heresy pics are very, very close.
ALSO - some people on reddit are suggesting the models in the background are not cultists, but Khorngors?
As daemons, there is no guarantee they have to maintain the same form. Maybe some days Angron likes to hang loose and walk around in the nude with just a sword?
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Wha-Mu-077 wrote:These guys look... weird. At least one has Cataphractii shoulder pads. Any theories on what they could be? I doubt it's an actual Termie unit, judging by their overall posture.
I was wondering that.
The shoulder pad could just be a stylistic choice, and not reflective of Catapheactii. But….they do seem a wee bit chunkier than regular CSM?
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Post by: blood reaper
Wha-Mu-077 wrote:These guys look... weird. At least one has Cataphractii shoulder pads. Any theories on what they could be? I doubt it's an actual Termie unit, judging by their overall posture.
While it's hard to tell, they seem to have a backpack and be carrying a Bolt Pistol (rather than combi bolter), so I'm going to suggest the soldier pad is just of an unorthodox design.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
One of them definitely has a sword in the same style as Angron’s. Smaller of course. But same style.
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Post by: zend
Red Butchers with hodgepodge equipment as a kit? They were in 8th edition as an upgrade to standard terminators, didn’t have any new artwork though. Cataphractii armor has to be rare as can be these days, so they scrounge whatever they can to replace armor parts?
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Post by: Garrac
Added the photo to the first post!
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Post by: blood reaper
zend wrote:Red Butchers with hodgepodge equipment as a kit? They were in 8th edition as an upgrade to standard terminators, didn’t have any new artwork though. Cataphractii armor has to be rare as can be these days, so they scrounge whatever they can to replace armor parts?
I assume that some form of Terminator will be a kit. Like, Thousand Sons got one, Death Guard got two, so World Eaters getting Red Butchers or some kind of unique Terminator seems very likely.
My assumption is that the WE will get a lot more of a full range that Thousand Sons did - comparable to the DG. So we can assume (alongside what we already know),
>Termiators
>Support character (3 to 4)
>Chaos Lord of Khorne
>Vehicles?
>More unique infantry
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Post by: Wha-Mu-077
I'm betting one or two (at best) Daemon engines instead of vehicles
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I also assume WE will still have access to all the standard CSM vehicles and Daemon Engines which both TS and DG have.
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Post by: Wha-Mu-077
zend wrote:Red Butchers with hodgepodge equipment as a kit? They were in 8th edition as an upgrade to standard terminators, didn’t have any new artwork though. Cataphractii armor has to be rare as can be these days, so they scrounge whatever they can to replace armor parts?
They're not nearly hunched over enough to be Terminators
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Possibly Blood Slaughterers in plastic?
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Post by: warboss
Thanks! (no sarcasm there) Always good to see the first post updated with the pertinent stuff when a few pages are added overnight.
As for the picture itself, I'm glad someone totally not employed by gw and under their manager's explicit orders was able to sneak out this picture and dial up to the internet with their secret AOL account to upload this "leak" to IRC.
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Post by: ArcaneHorror
blood reaper wrote:I mean yeah but GW are now very particular about matching up art and mins. I don't think it should surprise anyone the Angron min and the Heresy pics are very, very close.
ALSO - some people on reddit are suggesting the models in the background are not cultists, but Khorngors?
I think that they're Khorngors as well. Something about their legs and bodies look bestial. Angron mostly looks great, but something about his face just looks a little goofy, not the semi-cadaverous face we see in art. The Berzerkers are interesting, as from what I am seeing, they simply look like upscaled versions of the old models, and I was hoping for something more detailed and arcane like the Blades of Khorne minis. That being said, given how blurry this photo is, I could be wrong about everything.
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Post by: Kanluwen
The ones up top definitely look like Khornegors, while the ones on the ground look like Guardsmen.
OK_E has been commenting on this pretty actively this morning!
Look in the far background
Imagine cramming 8 bloodletters into a marine
The 8 dudesmen
The others are mortals with good boy faces
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Post by: Scottywan82
ArcaneHorror wrote: blood reaper wrote:I mean yeah but GW are now very particular about matching up art and mins. I don't think it should surprise anyone the Angron min and the Heresy pics are very, very close.
ALSO - some people on reddit are suggesting the models in the background are not cultists, but Khorngors?
I think that they're Khorngors as well. Something about their legs and bodies look bestial. Angron mostly looks great, but something about his face just looks a little goofy, not the semi-cadaverous face we see in art. The Berzerkers are interesting, as from what I am seeing, they simply look like upscaled versions of the old models, and I was hoping for something more detailed and arcane like the Blades of Khorne minis. That being said, given how blurry this photo is, I could be wrong about everything.
I would love it if they were. I really want the Khorngors and the Pestigors to be rolled out so they are all available for Beastmen.
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Post by: blood reaper
My reasoning for them potentially being Khorngors is also the following,
>We already have melee cultists
>DG and TS don't have specialised cultists, but another chaff infantry option
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Grotsnik's little freakout aside, it's pretty clear that they could've shown us heaps when they teased WE to us, but chose not to, likely just because it wasn't within the X window they have for previews but the new Chaos Codex was, and they had to address the fact that WE weren't in that. Hardly a conspiracy.
I hope the things in the background are Khorngors. It'd be way more fun than Cultists: Again, and pay off the Beastmen we got in Blackstone Fortress.
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Post by: zend
H.B.M.C. wrote:Grotsnik's little freakout aside, it's pretty clear that they could've shown us heaps when they teased WE to us, but chose not to, likely just because it wasn't within the X window they have for previews but the new Chaos Codex was, and they had to address the fact that WE weren't in that. Hardly a conspiracy.
I hope the things in the background are Khorngors. It'd be way more fun than Cultists: Again, and pay off the Beastmen we got in Blackstone Fortress.
Yeah it’s pretty obvious WE have been ready, just the release schedule is all jacked up, and since their exclusion from the codex made it obvious they’re ready to release separately they had to say “Stay tuned!”.
I really like the BSF beast men and the dual kit Tzaangors, so I’m all in for Khorngors. Wouldn’t mind a Blood Pact upgrade kit on top of it either.
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Post by: GaroRobe
blood reaper wrote:My reasoning for them potentially being Khorngors is also the following,
>We already have melee cultists
>DG and TS don't have specialised cultists, but another chaff infantry option
Will WE have access to those melee cultist in their own book? Plus melee cultists have guns and these may just be melee only
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Post by: derpherp
I know right? Some people in the Warhammer community have gone well beyond what might be considered reasonable and act like GW personally slapped their mother. Obsessive levels of hatred over plastic toy soldiers.
I'm in a lot of fan communities and the Warhammer community is by far the worst for it's levels of unwarranted vitriolic hostility.
But it does seem that this loud part of the community has gone too far and I am seeing some justified backlash from the quiet part of the community.
Anyway, I wouldnt blame you for having second thoughts about sharing your leaks here next time considering the response...
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Post by: Voss
H.B.M.C. wrote:Grotsnik's little freakout aside, it's pretty clear that they could've shown us heaps when they teased WE to us, but chose not to, likely just because it wasn't within the X window they have for previews but the new Chaos Codex was, and they had to address the fact that WE weren't in that. Hardly a conspiracy.
I hope the things in the background are Khorngors. It'd be way more fun than Cultists: Again, and pay off the Beastmen we got in Blackstone Fortress.
I personally would love to see Khorngors (and more beastmen in general, but.. well, what's one more missed opportunity for chaos at this point?)
But... lore-wise its trickier than it looks with the broken war bands angle of the WE. For Tzaangors its easy, the TS are on the planet of the sorcerers, in the Eye, and the non-marine population has degenerated into a stable population of beastmen. We know where they come from. Khorngors would come from...? And are picked up and accompany the mad hatter WE war bands because...?
I'd love a more complex take on Khorne and World Eaters that would allow for this, but I don't see GW doing it.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Well now we know: The World Eaters are so fractured as a Legion - as everyone has been telling us Chaos players for years - that they only went and got a whole book dedicated to just them.
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Post by: Chikout
derpherp wrote:
I know right? Some people in the Warhammer community have gone well beyond what might be considered reasonable and act like GW personally slapped their mother. Obsessive levels of hatred over plastic toy soldiers.
I'm in a lot of fan communities and the Warhammer community is by far the worst for it's levels of unwarranted vitriolic hostility.
But it does seem that this loud part of the community has gone too far and I am seeing some justified backlash from the quiet part of the community.
Anyway, I wouldnt blame you for having second thoughts about sharing your leaks here next time considering the response...
Yeah the leagues of votann thread is pretty nuts, but we're not alone. The Halo community is genuinely awful a lot of the time and God of War fans sent death threats because the Devs didn't announce the release date when a leaker said they would.
It really is amazing how much energy people put into hating things.
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Post by: ImAGeek
I’m looking forward to seeing how the new Beserkers will look in white and blue/red as late heresy World Eaters.
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Post by: Starfarer
Calling out people for attributing statements to GW that they never made as a reason to complain about them, and providing them to the actual quotes that disprove their assertions is now a freakout?
I think we've reached peak gaslighting from the "must bash GW at all costs" crew.
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Post by: warboss
ImAGeek wrote:I’m looking forward to seeing how the new Beserkers will look in white and blue/red as late heresy World Eaters.
Same here. I really liked the WE colors when I first saw them in the Visions of the HH art book.
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Post by: Shadow Walker
warboss wrote: ImAGeek wrote:I’m looking forward to seeing how the new Beserkers will look in white and blue/red as late heresy World Eaters.
Same here. I really liked the WE colors when I first saw them in the Visions of the HH art book.
I am with you guys. White and blue WE look so cool.
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Post by: Dysartes
Chikout wrote:Yeah the leagues of votann thread is pretty nuts, but we're not alone. The Halo community is genuinely awful a lot of the time and God of earsfans sent death threats because the Devs didn't announce the release date when a leaker said they would.
God of Ears is definitely a franchise worth... listening to...
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Dysartes wrote:Chikout wrote:Yeah the leagues of votann thread is pretty nuts, but we're not alone. The Halo community is genuinely awful a lot of the time and God of earsfans sent death threats because the Devs didn't announce the release date when a leaker said they would.
God of Ears is definitely a franchise worth... listening to...
It's extremely annoying that you can't edit a quote.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
BLARGH!
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Post by: caladancid
So much hand wringing about people on the internet saying mean things.
Stop apologizing for GW’s truly astonishing level of controlling behavior re schedules and new stuff, which leads to people harboring grudges. GW isn’t your friend, makes bad decisions all on its own, and most importantly doesn’t care about your help.
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Post by: TalonZahn
I can't stop looking at his bicep wing arm....
Overall, I think it looks pretty good, but that bicep wing arm....
Can't. Stop. Looking.
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Post by: Shadow Walker
TalonZahn wrote:I can't stop looking at his bicep wing arm....
Overall, I think it looks pretty good, but that bicep wing arm....
Can't. Stop. Looking.
Yeah, this
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Post by: Voss
Nice little zinger at the end
We’ll have more to come from Angron and his World Eaters over the coming months, so stay tuned to Warhammer-Community.com if you prefer your previews at a respectable resolution…
Still... hrm. Distaste for special characters aside, hate the tail (too carnifex) and the swollen muscles on the wing-limbs, and undecided about all the bling. Its right on the edge of 'too much,' but they did a good job painting it (I love the corroded WE icon on the shoulder).
Wish they had put this much care into bloodthirster model (and not made it tap-dancing)
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Post by: The Power Cosmic
I saw the new warcom article first and thought, hmm, there must have been a leak. Then I come to dakka and yep, leak!
He's neat, but I like the idea of new berzerkers and cadians more. And whoever the other guys are.
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Post by: Bob Lorgar
Why do the wings have to be pointed upwards? Not a good look.
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Post by: EviscerationPlague
It's definitely a model that I think we need to see in person.
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
I really want to build this model. Not own it or paint it, just build it.
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Post by: Marius Xerxes
Last sentence in the article is pretty funny imo
"We’ll have more to come from Angron and his World Eaters over the coming months, so stay tuned to Warhammer-Community.com if you prefer your previews at a respectable resolution…"
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Post by: vim_the_good
I love the model and am looking forward to painting him. I don't get why there is a power armour port on the wing arm though. Would they not have developed during the ascent to deamonhood?
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Post by: Dysartes
To interfere with positioning around other models as little as possible?
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vim_the_good wrote:I love the model and am looking forward to painting him. I don't get why there is a power armour port on the wing arm though. Would they not have developed during the ascent to deamonhood?
Melding of flesh and armour.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Good article But yeah that swole wing arm Every square mm of Angron is covered in detail but he still ends up being just another boring rage demon imho.
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Post by: Laughing Man
How else do you get that much muscle and armor off the ground?
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Post by: Sabotage!
I like the Angron quite a bit, but can we talk about the really awesome news? New Berserkers and New Cadians, two of the oldest kits in the 40k range! Pretty amazing. Both kits really needed it.
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Post by: gorgon
Agree 100%. This is one that will look different in three dimensions. I'm not getting my head around it well in these 2-d pics.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
I like Angron. About what I would've expected.
Sad thing is, it really reminds me of Creature Caster's King of Rage, which came out a few years ago and sad to say, may end up being a cheaper alternative!
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Post by: Starfarer
caladancid wrote:So much hand wringing about people on the internet saying mean things.
Stop apologizing for GW’s truly astonishing level of controlling behavior re schedules and new stuff, which leads to people harboring grudges. GW isn’t your friend, makes bad decisions all on its own, and most importantly doesn’t care about your help.
What's truly astonishing is people who have no concept of marketing schedules, product release plans that are all completely normal in many large businesses and attribute it as some sort of anomaly to GW.
Very few companies broadcast their future products far in advance. No clothing company is showcasing a Winter collection in Summer. Car companies aren't showing new product releases until they are in full production and ready to be reviewed by industry journalists to drive up hype.
There are literally entire industries built around marketing new products and exactly how those are rolled out and communicated. I've seen these first hand for very large companies, and all of them have strict NDAs and confidentiality clauses. And this is just for basic consumer goods, nothing exactly proprietary.
GW saying a new range will be shown "in the coming months" and then doing exactly that is neither unusual or controlling. It's normal business practice.
The fact that people would hold grudges over it says a lot more about them and their level of maturity than it does about GW as a business.
No one here is trying to "help" GW. Mostly people seem to be pushing back on demonstrably false assertions made by people looking for a reason to be upset. Calling that out is less a defense of GW and more just a reality check to some folks that seem to be way too heavily invested in a hobby of toy soldiers.
On topic:
Angron looks suitably Angrony.
Looking forward to seeing the rest of the range. Hopefully we get some sort of Kill Team option with the Berserkers and cultist dudes.
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Post by: Scottywan82
Not with that attitude, certainly.
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Post by: vim_the_good
Are the 8 figures at the very back of the leaked image, beast men?
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Nobody is quite sure due to crap image quality. But it is a possibility. Possibly dog headed.
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Post by: Sasori
Love the model, I am very excited for the army.
Every Daemon Primarch model has leaked early at this point. I remember the video they put when Magnus leaked, and they were diving in trashcans to pull out sprues. Was pretty hilarious.
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Post by: ImAGeek
I think he’s pretty good. The face looks better from the side than the front, and I’m not 100% on the structure of the wings (the thumb/hand part), but other than that I like.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Looking at the video, they’ve actually done a pretty good job (arguably better than Cyclops and Fartarse) in tying it to the Heresy model for Angry Ron. You can see how the armour and stuff warped and shifted to a better degree.
You will need to watch the video as it’s not as apparent in the stills.
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Post by: Voss
Sasori wrote:Love the model, I am very excited for the army.
Every Daemon Primarch model has leaked early at this point. I remember the video they put when Magnus leaked, and they were diving in trashcans to pull out sprues. Was pretty hilarious.
... of course?
They're icons of the setting that have been around for over two decades. So yeah, people are going to leak them.
Johnny (or Jenny) Made-up-for-this-Book just don't have the same pull. Some have been out for years now, and I still don't remember the names of the IF, IH and DA primaris Named Characters. For some of the loyalist supplements, I don't remember if they even got one.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Anyone care to speculate on rules? Or suggest rules you feel Angron is worthy of?
I’d like to see him able to properly slaughter infantry, preventing anyone bogging him down with chaffe. Perhaps some kind of Special Rule where he gets AoS damage distribution - so if I hit a unit of W1 models, with 6 Damage 3 hits, the total 18 wounds are distributed amongst the whole unit? Proper murderous sweeping strikes. Mass decapitations.
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Post by: Azreal13
Any word on how many points of articulation he has?
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Post by: Valkyrie
Two weapons, one will probably be "one-shot a tank" while the other will be "roll 3 hits for every attack", 4++ Invuln, attacks go up as he loses wounds, standard auras to World Eater units. I love the model but I'm wondering how they'll make him stand out from a regular Bloodthirster/Knight Gallant rules-wise.
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Post by: TalonZahn
The arm thing driving me nuts is probably just an angle issue with the photo.
GW wants their "Golden Angle" in the photo of his face, doesn't realize that bicep is catching ALL the light...
Need some different viewpoints.
I'd turn the model about 30 degrees left or light more from the right.
BICEP!
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Post by: skeleton
Seeing some old art, the model is spot on.
But if i look on to it, i woundt know it was Angron.
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Post by: AllSeeingSkink
Mmmm, it's okay. I don't love it, there's too much going on such that no one part of the model draws the eye, it's just a mess of random detail.
Maybe in person or with a different paint job I'll start to like it more, dunno.
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Post by: NinthMusketeer
For my part I'm perfectly happy GW doesn't show us models as soon as their design is done because they are still going to be so far from actual release. Sure a formal announcement of release dates more than two weeks ahead of time would be great, but overall I don't have problems with how GW in this aspect.
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Post by: ZergSmasher
I like the model, just as much as I liked the plastic Bloodthirster when it came out so many moons ago (possibly the only single model that ever made me decide to start an army, that being Khorne Daemonkin). I don't play Chaos anymore (no, smartass, Dark Angels don't count, the jokes are getting old), so I won't be picking up Mr. Angry Ron myself, but I do actually like the model. Here's hoping he actually has good enough rules that players will actually take him in tournaments (unlike Morty and Magnus who see relatively little competitive play).
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Post by: ArcaneHorror
I take back what I said about Angron's face. He looks awesome. And you should never skip wing day.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
I’m psyched to see what painters of outrageous skill do with him.
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Post by: Dread Master
Them some dead Cadians in that pic.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
A thought occurs for when Fulgrim gets his turn…just how visually distinctive will he be from Morathi?
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:A thought occurs for when Fulgrim gets his turn…just how visually distinctive will he be from Morathi?
Tempted to make a joke about distinguishing by number of breasts the model has, but I'm not sure how that would land.
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Post by: Memnoch
I like how his head is pretty much exactly the same as one of the early illustrations of him.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:A thought occurs for when Fulgrim gets his turn…just how visually distinctive will he be from Morathi?
I reckon he will be similar in pose to the original HH image which would be unusually static for such a centerpiece model.
Otherwise he will be way too similar to to Morathi unless hes doing something stupid like flying or coiled around a Titan leg or something.
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Post by: Geifer
TalonZahn wrote:The arm thing driving me nuts is probably just an angle issue with the photo.
GW wants their "Golden Angle" in the photo of his face, doesn't realize that bicep is catching ALL the light...
Need some different viewpoints.
I'd turn the model about 30 degrees left or light more from the right.
BICEP!
Yeah, that's definitely a thing. GW's photographers are pretty good at picking dodgy angles and manage time and again to make good sculpts look worse. It's the number one reason why I'm reluctant to form anything resembling a final opinion on many GW models until I see the 360° view on the store page.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:A thought occurs for when Fulgrim gets his turn…just how visually distinctive will he be from Morathi?
The question I have is, would it matter if they were similar? Fulgrim isn't a crossover model like a Greater Daemon, nor is Morathi. They're not going to get in each other's way.
I imagine that Fulgrim will have bulkier armor, his upper body will have a greater presence and with four arms he's not going to have a pose similar to Morathi pointing her (pointy) stick.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Well….possibly? I’ve not objection to similarities, but as the last Daemon Primarch out the gate, if it’s just a reskinning of Morthi’s STL(?) file, I think folk would be entirely justified in mass disappointment.
Yes that is tempered with the knowledge that snake bodied models have somewhat more limited poses than those with like, legs and stuff. Due to physics and wanting it to be standing up and nicely balanced.
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Post by: Tastyfish
Almost looks like some of those cultists in the back could be the Age of Sigmar Khorne mortals.
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Post by: MinscS2
Magnus does not look like a Lord of Change.
Mortarion does not look like a Great Unclean One.
Why does Angron have to look like a blinged-up Bloodthirster?
If GW had announced this as a new Special Character BT, no one would've batted an eye.
I really want to like it - because it's freaking Angron! But I can't...
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Because Khorne is unimaginative. And, I’m pretty sure Angron was the first to transition?
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Post by: blood reaper
Angron is the second Daemon Primarch - and not even that late into the Heresy either. IIRC, Fulgrim ascended before him.
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Post by: drbored
GW's gotta be seething about this one.
The reveal of a new primarch is a BIG deal, one that I'm sure they had planned for weeks of teasers, a big reveal event at a tournament or other convention, lots of Khorne-themed advertisements ready for Twitter and Instagram and Facebook.
But then woops, somebody snaps a pic from their 2002 flip phone and uploads it to the internet, bye-bye hype train.
Honestly a bit relieved. The hype train for something like Angron would have been a long slog of "we know he's coming so just reveal him already", so I definitely prefer this. Pull the rug out from under GW and just get us the models already. They can make a big deal out of reveals when they get the game back to a state worth playing.
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Post by: Dimrill
drbored wrote:GW's gotta be seething about this one.
The reveal of a new primarch is a BIG deal, one that I'm sure they had planned for weeks of teasers, a big reveal event at a tournament or other convention, lots of Khorne-themed advertisements ready for Twitter and Instagram and Facebook.
But then woops, somebody snaps a pic from their 2002 flip phone and uploads it to the internet, bye-bye hype train.
But that's exactly what happened with Magnus, too.
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Post by: Garrac
More updates to the first post!
Let's hope that the rules get leaked in the rest of this summer. And maybe a decent reveal of the zerkers?
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Post by: Togusa
drbored wrote:GW's gotta be seething about this one.
The reveal of a new primarch is a BIG deal, one that I'm sure they had planned for weeks of teasers, a big reveal event at a tournament or other convention, lots of Khorne-themed advertisements ready for Twitter and Instagram and Facebook.
But then woops, somebody snaps a pic from their 2002 flip phone and uploads it to the internet, bye-bye hype train.
Honestly a bit relieved. The hype train for something like Angron would have been a long slog of "we know he's coming so just reveal him already", so I definitely prefer this. Pull the rug out from under GW and just get us the models already. They can make a big deal out of reveals when they get the game back to a state worth playing.
Which is insane.
I hate modern marketing bs. Just make a quality product, release quality product, profit. It's really that simple.
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Post by: Voss
drbored wrote:GW's gotta be seething about this one.
The reveal of a new primarch is a BIG deal, one that I'm sure they had planned for weeks of teasers, a big reveal event at a tournament or other convention, lots of Khorne-themed advertisements ready for Twitter and Instagram and Facebook.
But then woops, somebody snaps a pic from their 2002 flip phone and uploads it to the internet, bye-bye hype train.
Good thing they had not just an article, but a trailer complete with music and rotating pans ready to go the next day, huh?
Not saying this is intentional leak, but I don't think this a seeth-worthy disruption to GW's 'hype train.' They don't generally spend weeks on a single model (no matter how important), and at this point a leak (or 'leak') should be expected.
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Post by: queen_annes_revenge
Of course it's planned. Nothing isn't planned these days.
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Post by: zend
MinscS2 wrote:Magnus does not look like a Lord of Change.
Mortarion does not look like a Great Unclean One.
Why does Angron have to look like a blinged-up Bloodthirster?
If GW had announced this as a new Special Character BT, no one would've batted an eye.
I really want to like it - because it's freaking Angron! But I can't...
Mortarion looks like a big, Daemonic version of himself.
Magnus looks like a big, Daemonic version of himself.
Angron was already big and angry, now he looks like a bigger angrier Daemonic version of himself.
Seems pretty simple, no? Fulgrim is the only Daemon Primarch that’s an outlier, everyone else is just a Chaosified version of how they already were.
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Post by: drbored
lmao, this is one of those conspiracy theories that just doesn't hold water.
It's not that the leak was planned, it's more that GW has to be prepared in case of leaks. To that end, they make these videos well ahead of time, so that despite how schedules and releases change, or if leaks happen, they have these articles and trailers ready to go when they're needed.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
drbored wrote:
lmao, this is one of those conspiracy theories that just doesn't hold water.
It's not that the leak was planned, it's more that GW has to be prepared in case of leaks. To that end, they make these videos well ahead of time, so that despite how schedules and releases change, or if leaks happen, they have these articles and trailers ready to go when they're needed.
That, and the piccie I shared came from somewhere. No I don’t know the original source. But look at it. It’s a Post Production Photo. Photoshopped. Centred. Possibly one of a few dozen and pick the best.
It’s not somehow, miraculously, a sneaky peaky from the sculptor’s desk. At all. This is something clearly going to, or already, In Print, just not revealed to us mere plebs. Sure, it might be grabbed from a file sent over email to the printer. But it’s still post-production. A low res image of stuff long ready and only now, because lead times are a thing, going to press.
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Post by: Binabik15
skeleton wrote:Seeing some old art, the model is spot on.
But if i look on to it, i woundt know it was Angron.
Is it? No snark intended. When I think demon Angron I think of the Epic model and that one artwork where he has a chest that's like 3 meters of bronze armour, but I have never really looked into demon Angron that much. Raving Primarch Angron interests me more.
I like the model, but don't have to have it. Gorefather and the World Eaters logo are thr best pieces, maybe lame should have put more armour on him. Dog-headed beastmen or beastmen in general,however would be ace. Already have a Khorne Minotaur with a boarding shield and a huge chainaxe that needs rules - or gets demoted to spawn or maybe Greater Possessed.
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Post by: queen_annes_revenge
drbored wrote:
lmao, this is one of those conspiracy theories that just doesn't hold water.
It's not that the leak was planned, it's more that GW has to be prepared in case of leaks. To that end, they make these videos well ahead of time, so that despite how schedules and releases change, or if leaks happen, they have these articles and trailers ready to go when they're needed.
And labelling everything 'a conspiracy theory' is the new hip way of hand waving away arguments without having to put in any effort. Without any additional evidence both claims are equally valid.
'oops, another thing that everyone knew was coming got leaked guys, oh no! best make an article.' At this point it's happening about once a month, and it seems to be a solid part of their marketing strategy. Theres no way a huge company like gw doesn't have the means to shore up it's media and ensure these leaks don't happen.
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Post by: Manfred von Drakken
Gonna have to agree on relation to mortal form. Magnus and Mortarion are both easily recognizable compared to their mortal selves.
Angron just looks like yet another Bloodthirster, and I feel like there's already too many of those.
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Post by: Kanluwen
OK_E is commenting that there's one more thing we have yet to see/know about, and that it "runs through walls and is red"...
On an unrelated note:
Lord Discordants that worship Khorne, can ride upon three-headed Juggernauts known as Juggernaut Helstalkers.
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Post by: techsoldaten
queen_annes_revenge wrote:drbored wrote:
lmao, this is one of those conspiracy theories that just doesn't hold water.
It's not that the leak was planned, it's more that GW has to be prepared in case of leaks. To that end, they make these videos well ahead of time, so that despite how schedules and releases change, or if leaks happen, they have these articles and trailers ready to go when they're needed.
And labelling everything 'a conspiracy theory' is the new hip way of hand waving away arguments without having to put in any effort. Without any additional evidence both claims are equally valid.
A poster on another site claimed to be receiving leaks of a recent Codex from a playtester. He also claimed multiple times to be waiting for a date to release the details, which came out gradually. Most of the details proved to be correct.
In PR and media, this practice is called an embargo. It's a controlled release of information to achieve a strategic communication goal. In this case, hype. The gradual release of details is called a drip campaign.
Not sure why a genuine leaker would do an embargoed drip campaign instead of just leaking everything at once. Like every other leaker does. Unless that person's a paid marketing professional working on a hype campaign.
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Because it brings them attention? Over a sustained period?
Now I am not saying that is the case, heaven forefend.
But is a possibility you seem not to have considered.
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Because it brings them attention? Over a sustained period?
Now I am not saying that is the case, heaven forefend.
But is a possibility you seem not to have considered.
Considered it. Attention is a potent drug.
But sustained effort is not in the nature of leakers. They tend to want to blurt out all their wonderful facts at once.
Also, why would he wait for someone else to tell him when he's allowed to release certain details? That's not leaking.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
What evidence is there this is being done to a specific schedule, I counter?
Whilst, as ever, I can’t say what I do? Dragging it out, for the sake of sustained attention is absolutely a solid part of human psychology.
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Post by: Bob Lorgar
Kanluwen wrote:OK_E is commenting that there's one more thing we have yet to see/know about, and that it "runs through walls and is red"...
Oh No!
Oh No!
Oh No!
Oh Yeah!
Kool-Aid Man is a World Eater? Who knew?
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Post by: crumby_cataphract
The only things I can think of are juggernauts. Didn't they just recently get a plastic kit?
Maybe it's a new type of dreadnought?
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Post by: Lord Blackscale
As soon as I saw the leaked image it brought to mind a excerpt from a Darth Vader comic.
Rebels: You are surrounded!
Vader: All I am surrounded by is fear, and dead men.
Works better if you read the Vader part in the proper James Earl Jones voice and cadence.
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Post by: Shakalooloo
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:A thought occurs for when Fulgrim gets his turn…just how visually distinctive will he be from Morathi?
He does have an extra pair of arms over her, so has double the number of pointing options he can display. Automatically Appended Next Post: vim_the_good wrote:I love the model and am looking forward to painting him. I don't get why there is a power armour port on the wing arm though. Would they not have developed during the ascent to deamonhood?
The wings are his real, original arms, and the handy things gripping his weapons grew as part of his daemonic mutation / ascension!
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Ok, proper pictures. Love 'im! He's great.
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Post by: Twilight Pathways
crumby_cataphract wrote:The only things I can think of are juggernauts. Didn't they just recently get a plastic kit?
Maybe it's a new type of dreadnought?
It's a juggernaut. Someone on Reddit responded to Ok_E "Picturing Vinnie Jones saying "Don't you know who I am?"" (a reference to his stint as Juggernaut in X-Men) and Ok_E responded in the affirmative.
Whether it's a single disco lord juggernaut that someone mentioned earlier in the thread, or a new multi-model unit, remains to be seen.
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Post by: ZergSmasher
Shakalooloo wrote: Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:A thought occurs for when Fulgrim gets his turn…just how visually distinctive will he be from Morathi?
He does have an extra pair of arms over her, so has double the number of pointing options he can display.
I'm mainly wondering how, if Fulgrim now has a snaky body, he's going to put one foot on his Games Workshop-issue tactical rock and be a proper Warhammer ( TM) model. He doesn't even have feet! Maybe that's why EC are stuck just being special snowflakes in the CSM book; they've got to figure out how to put their Primarch on a tactical rock!
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Is there any fluff behind the big sword Angron has now?
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Post by: Garukadon
Nothing’s changed with the player base here I see. Always something to be unhappy about.
Angron looks too much like a bloodthirster? So what? -the model looks awesome!
Angron with a bunch of bloodthirsters on the table would look like an AoS army, which I think would look great.
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Post by: Starfarer
The fact that Miniac got kicked out of the Horus Heresy event for showing a heavy weapons add on for a kit that was already fully showcased, just 2 days before the official release indicates that GW does not have an internal leak strategy. They wouldn't be so reactive to minor influencer leaks if that were the case.
They've also apparently cancelled external play testing over the continued leaks. This would indicate the leaks are genuine and GW simply has a mitigation plan in place for such leaks by having reveal videos prepped ahead of time. Not surprising based on the consistency of leaks
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Post by: chaos0xomega
I don't love Angrons head, the big goofy square jawline doesn't look right with how angular and pointy everything else is.
Kanluwen wrote:OK_E is commenting that there's one more thing we have yet to see/know about, and that it "runs through walls and is red"...
The Kool Aid man?
Yes, its mentioned in a couple of the HH novels. IIRC he gets it when he becomes a daemon prince and dumps Gorechild for it. Forget its name.
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Post by: ArcaneHorror
I somehow doubt the Lord Discordant rule, as that's basically describing a cool conversion shown in the White Dwarf article. I am wondering though, what kind of unique Chaos Lord we'll get, like how the Death Guard got the Lord of Contagion in the beginning.
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Post by: Manfred von Drakken
ArcaneHorror wrote:I somehow doubt the Lord Discordant rule, as that's basically describing a cool conversion shown in the White Dwarf article. I am wondering though, what kind of unique Chaos Lord we'll get, like how the Death Guard got the Lord of Contagion in the beginning.
Who says you will? The Thousand Sons just got different flavors of Sorcerers.
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Post by: ArcaneHorror
Manfred von Drakken wrote: ArcaneHorror wrote:I somehow doubt the Lord Discordant rule, as that's basically describing a cool conversion shown in the White Dwarf article. I am wondering though, what kind of unique Chaos Lord we'll get, like how the Death Guard got the Lord of Contagion in the beginning.
Who says you will? The Thousand Sons just got different flavors of Sorcerers.
The Thousand Sons don't have Chaos Lords at all the in the traditional sense. Their sorcerers are their lords.
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Post by: Daedalus81
Manfred von Drakken wrote:Gonna have to agree on relation to mortal form. Magnus and Mortarion are both easily recognizable compared to their mortal selves.
Angron just looks like yet another Bloodthirster, and I feel like there's already too many of those.
Thing is...he's a Bloodthirster in a WE army. I would agree if he was getting slotted in with Daemons, but as his own distinct presence in that army he does well.
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Post by: tneva82
MinscS2 wrote:Magnus does not look like a Lord of Change.
Mortarion does not look like a Great Unclean One.
Why does Angron have to look like a blinged-up Bloodthirster?
If GW had announced this as a new Special Character BT, no one would've batted an eye.
I really want to like it - because it's freaking Angron! But I can't...
Blame the artist who drew angron like decade+ ago.
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Post by: Carlovonsexron
Garukadon wrote:Nothing’s changed with the player base here I see. Always something to be unhappy about.
Angron looks too much like a bloodthirster? So what? -the model looks awesome!
Angron with a bunch of bloodthirsters on the table would look like an AoS army, which I think would look great.
By complaining about the complainers, you're feeding into the cycle!
Just let other people dislike it as much as you do like it- it doesn't really matter either way.
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Post by: Dudeface
Starfarer wrote:The fact that Miniac got kicked out of the Horus Heresy event for showing a heavy weapons add on for a kit that was already fully showcased, just 2 days before the official release indicates that GW does not have an internal leak strategy. They wouldn't be so reactive to minor influencer leaks if that were the case.
They've also apparently cancelled external play testing over the continued leaks. This would indicate the leaks are genuine and GW simply has a mitigation plan in place for such leaks by having reveal videos prepped ahead of time. Not surprising based on the consistency of leaks
Mike Brandt replied to the reddit thread on the playtesters to confirm that there are still external playtesting groups and that some testers had been rotated in/out for various reasons.
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Post by: gigasnail
Looking spicy.
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Post by: Albertorius
He looks OK. Like a Bloodthirster. Which he is, so...
Eh.
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Post by: Bosskelot
Starfarer wrote:The fact that Miniac got kicked out of the Horus Heresy event for showing a heavy weapons add on for a kit that was already fully showcased, just 2 days before the official release indicates that GW does not have an internal leak strategy. They wouldn't be so reactive to minor influencer leaks if that were the case.
Well, no, it was also the fact he paid someone else to paint the models he was meant to be painting for the event.
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Post by: Carlovonsexron
Would anyone have known that at the time before he got kicked out?
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Post by: Dudeface
Nah, it was definitely for leaking the reveal early imo.
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Post by: Dr. Mills
My first ever proper 40k army was a Khorne Berzerker force, used to love shoving a land raider up the middle and dumping a squad of the crazy bastards into the heart of an army, fun times...
To relive those heady days of 1998 again would be fantastic!
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Post by: a_typical_hero
Angron looks too much like a generic Bloodthirster or Demon Prince to me and not enough like a Primarch.
Mortarion and Magnus have more personality in their models.
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Post by: SicSemperTyrannis
Definitely going to get him. Really love the model. I think he is so beefy he will stand out even in a group of Bloodthirsters.
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Post by: Dr. Mills
a_typical_hero wrote:Angron looks too much like a generic Bloodthirster or Demon Prince to me and not enough like a Primarch.
Mortarion and Magnus have more personality in their models.
To touch on this, I think it was a good design decision to make him resemble a generic bloodthirster. Isn't the bloodthirster the ultimate avatar of Khorne (unless the lore I'm thinking of isn't correct/me forgetting) so essentially a mortal, albeit a genetically enhanced demi human becoming one is the ultimate end goal of a Khorne desciple?
Also, the lack of personality might be a sly nod to Angron himself. Because let's face it - after his unwanted rescue by big Emps, all he did was Get angry, sulk, kill things, get angry, kill his own troops, get angry go on genocidal rampage to make worlds compliant, get angry and force his troops to get butchers nails too.
Oh, and get earth shatteringly ass blastingly super duper cray cray ANGY.
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Post by: Garrac
A thing to note here: the Bloodthirster touch was allways Angron's design.
Is it weird they didn't decide to retcon it? Maybe, but it's his classic design.
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Post by: Geifer
I wouldn't even say that Angron looks like a generic Bloodthirster. Bloodthirsters have a particular style of armor that combines with a largely bare body. Angron has visible legion and Marine styling to his armor, seems to have leg armor, that piece on his back, and tubes and wires. I'd call him reasonably distinct from Bloodthirsters, to be honest.
Any similarity is just down to Khorne's preferred look being generic rage demon, which both of them sport. Bulging muscles, red skin, ugly mugs, that sort of thing.
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Post by: blood reaper
It was commissioned for him by Lorgar shortly after he ascended.
I'm not really sure what people expected with Angron. The model is like, a spot on recreation of Angron art from the various books and such.
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Post by: Dudeface
blood reaper wrote:
It was commissioned for him by Lorgar shortly after he ascended.
I'm not really sure what people expected with Angron. The model is like, a spot on recreation of Angron art from the various books and such.
That's the black blade that was broken on armageddon though isn't it?
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Post by: xttz
Geifer wrote:I wouldn't even say that Angron looks like a generic Bloodthirster. Bloodthirsters have a particular style of armor that combines with a largely bare body. Angron has visible legion and Marine styling to his armor, seems to have leg armor, that piece on his back, and tubes and wires. I'd call him reasonably distinct from Bloodthirsters, to be honest.
Any similarity is just down to Khorne's preferred look being generic rage demon, which both of them sport. Bulging muscles, red skin, ugly mugs, that sort of thing.
Yeah agreed. The details are there if you look closely enough. It would be cool if the model gets the Avatar treatment, and has some alternative cosmetic options like different heads to pick from.
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Post by: KirvesUK
Sorry to derail the Angron discussion for a minute, and yes I'll be getting him if he's Mortarion power or above, but do my World Eaters actually benefit from the Crispy Wanton phases as per the new Codex? I suddenly thought, if we're not in it, how do we benefit?
If we do benefit from exploding 6s, does that mean my DG and Thousand Sons army also now benefit from the phases?
Thanks all
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Post by: Manfred von Drakken
KirvesUK wrote:Sorry to derail the Angron discussion for a minute, and yes I'll be getting him if he's Mortarion power or above, but do my World Eaters actually benefit from the Crispy Wanton phases as per the new Codex? I suddenly thought, if we're not in it, how do we benefit?
If we do benefit from exploding 6s, does that mean my DG and Thousand Sons army also now benefit from the phases?
Thanks all
For now, yes, World Eaters get Let the Galaxy Burn. Death Guard and Thousand Sons do not. It's a metaphysical certitude that World Eaters will lose it when their codex comes out.
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Post by: techsoldaten
Manfred von Drakken wrote:KirvesUK wrote:Sorry to derail the Angron discussion for a minute, and yes I'll be getting him if he's Mortarion power or above, but do my World Eaters actually benefit from the Crispy Wanton phases as per the new Codex? I suddenly thought, if we're not in it, how do we benefit?
If we do benefit from exploding 6s, does that mean my DG and Thousand Sons army also now benefit from the phases?
Thanks all
For now, yes, World Eaters get Let the Galaxy Burn. Death Guard and Thousand Sons do not. It's a metaphysical certitude that World Eaters will lose it when their codex comes out.
... and that it will be replaced with their own set of doctrines / special rules, specific to the Legion.
Who knows if it will be useful. This is World Eaters, the army eternally searching for mobility so half their troops don't die before getting into cc.
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Post by: KirvesUK
Thanks for the clarification, and yes, my last battle was a loss because I simply didn't have enough surviving troops for effective combat. I'm hoping to be able to turn off overwatch like a nasty space elf in the future.
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Post by: Wha-Mu-077
Frankly my literally only complaint about Angron is that his face isn't quite the skull-face from the art
But hey, Magnus and Mortarion both had actual options, and so did the Void Dragon and Abaddon. So I'm hoping it still can be included
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Post by: Scottywan82
xttz wrote:Yeah agreed. The details are there if you look closely enough. It would be cool if the model gets the Avatar treatment, and has some alternative cosmetic options like different heads to pick from.
Magnus did, do hopefully Angron will too.
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Post by: GaroRobe
Even Mortarion had two heads included in the set (although they are pretty much identical, unlike Magnus.)
I don't mind his current head, but the more skull-ish one would be amazing. I wish they had gone more extreme with the Butcher's Nails as well. Either something in line with the artwork above, or like Dorghar's Khornate head.
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Post by: Garrac
Btw I totally love the style of the new swords. Maybe I'll use one for my regular BL marines to act as a demonic blade
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Post by: a_typical_hero
A different head might do it. Found this here on Dakka's gallery:
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Post by: queen_annes_revenge
How else would they have modelled him? Everyone is honking about how he looks like a bloodthirster, how else would they distinguish him? Magnus and mortarion are much easier to distinguish because they can be made large humans with additions. Angron wouldn't look right as just a big angry khorne berserker.
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Post by: JSG
That's what he is though. He's still wearing his old armour but you can't see it because of the pose. The halo-like trophy rack is also wasted with this pose. Should of had him more upright.
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Post by: EviscerationPlague
Wait, Mortarion had two heads in the kit?
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Post by: JSG
It's the same head just looking the other way or maybe straight on.
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Post by: Jidmah
It's the same head though, just looking in a different direction. There are two ways to build the model, one with Lantern raised in his right hand in which case Mortarion is looking over it as if aiming. The other way has Silence in the right hand and Lantern pointing down in his left, Mortarion looks slightly ahead and down in that case - most likely having the eyes fixed on something about to get the scythe.
Hilariously, you could build Mortarion with two pistols and no scythe if you really wanted.
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Post by: NAVARRO
Thats an immense centrepiece packed with details and features.
I cannot even imagine the price they are going to ask for it.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Yup. They’re very different poses to the current ones, and GW have explicitly told us new Berzerkers are on the way.
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Post by: Brian888
Personally I think it makes perfect sense that he looks a lot like a Bloodthirster. For one, it's how he's always looked in the art. For another, Khorne has always seemed to be the god least interested in variety for its own sake among his daemons. If the basic Bloodthirster body shape gets the job done, it's fine to Khorne.
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Post by: Esmer
I like him. He seems more compactly designed than Magnus or Mortarion. The Ankylosaurus like tail is a nice touch.
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Post by: ArcaneHorror
It seems like one of the Berzerkers is armed with a bolter. I wonder if we'll have a situation like with Plague Marines where they can take both a bolter and a melee weapon. Also, I'm kind of disappointed that the helmets are flat in their design. I was hoping for helmets akin to the more elaborate ones worn by Blood Warriors and Skull Crushers.
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Post by: Semper
I could never sculpt anything remotely as good as that Angron myself, so hats off to the person/people who did... that being said it's the first primarch model in 40k and HH that I think has missed the mark to such a degree for me personally. I think the wings are overly muscular and limbed/spiked to the point of almost absurdity relative to a game filled with it and the face is just a little too... cartoonish? Wing arms needed a little less muscle and the face needed a hint of Be'lakor or Magnus in it rather than a carboard box. I can kind of understand the choices made as the aesthetics align closely to the plastic bloodthirster model which is cool it's invoked that sense.
I saw someone on Instagram say it needed more Primarch and less daemon and I agree with that sentiment. Also, sometimes less is more and that philosophy was needed here in my opinion. Interesting considering the tone and quality of so many of the recent chaos sculpts.
All that aside, really happy he actually has a model coming and that WE are getting love. I like the looks of the new berserkers in the BG and can't wait to see Angron's new rules! I'm betting that black blade is going to be close to a rail gun in sword form.
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Post by: Twilight Pathways
The more I look at Angron the more I like him. I would much prefer if he didn't canonically look like a bloodthirster variant, but unfortunately he does, so there it is. Could/should they have retconned his design into something more singular? I reckon so - it's not like there's absolutely tons of artwork or novel appearances by him. He's a lot more bulky and heavily armoured than a bloodthirster, though, and overall I still think he looks great.
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Post by: Daedalus81
Geifer wrote:I wouldn't even say that Angron looks like a generic Bloodthirster. Bloodthirsters have a particular style of armor that combines with a largely bare body. Angron has visible legion and Marine styling to his armor, seems to have leg armor, that piece on his back, and tubes and wires. I'd call him reasonably distinct from Bloodthirsters, to be honest.
Any similarity is just down to Khorne's preferred look being generic rage demon, which both of them sport. Bulging muscles, red skin, ugly mugs, that sort of thing.
The huge WE shoulder pad is my favorite part.
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Post by: Dread Master
Angron is dope. Can’t wait to get a clear view of the new Berserkers.
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Post by: Gitkikka
Ron looks great. He'd be more distinctive from Bloodthirsters if GW hadn't moved away from the "canine" faces that 'thirsters originally had.
I'm not mad about that change, by the way (totally mad).
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Post by: GaroRobe
Gitkikka wrote:Ron looks great. He'd be more distinctive from Bloodthirsters if GW hadn't moved away from the "canine" faces that 'thirsters originally had.
I'm not mad about that change, by the way (totally mad).
Doesn't the bloodthirster kit have an option for a dog face? Maybe its a bit more bull-ish, but it still looks like a homage to the older model
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Post by: Chikout
I'm not the biggest Khorne fan but I think this is my favourite of the three primarchs. What is surprising is how poor the "golden angle" photo is. I understand that they want him looking at the camera but you really can't make out the pose especially with his big axe in the way. This angle from the video is much better. It makes the model look much more aggressive and shows off the impressive depth the model has. I really like a model that embraces it's 3d nature, rather than the old metal models that disappeared if you turned them sideways.
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GaroRobe wrote: Gitkikka wrote:Ron looks great. He'd be more distinctive from Bloodthirsters if GW hadn't moved away from the "canine" faces that 'thirsters originally had.
I'm not mad about that change, by the way (totally mad).
Doesn't the bloodthirster kit have an option for a dog face? Maybe its a bit more bull-ish, but it still looks like a homage to the older model
Eh, not so much - looks too bovine to me. I want them to look like the guy in profile in the upper left picture...
...granted, even the metals at the time didn't look like that. I can see that the one you posted could be an homage.
Ok, that new pic of Angron has insured that I'll get him, expensive bastard that I'm sure he'll be
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Post by: Voss
...granted, even the metals at the time didn't look like that. I can see that the one you posted could be an homage.
There were actually 3 different heads for the metals (well, the RoC-era metal models, that are what's now daemon prince sized)
There was a dog faced one with a picklehaube helmet (like in the picture, but without the side horns), but the dog's jaws were closed and it wasn't a particularly good sculpt. The other helmeted head was worse- really the only good head was the skull. They're in the color photos in StD (same book as the page you posted), the dog head is featured in a battle between world eaters and ultramarines (page 165, but its un-numbered)
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Post by: Gitkikka
Voss wrote:...granted, even the metals at the time didn't look like that. I can see that the one you posted could be an homage.
There were actually 3 different heads for the metals (well, the RoC-era metal models, that are what's now daemon prince sized)
There was a dog faced one with a picklehaube helmet (like in the picture, but without the side horns), but the dog's jaws were closed and it wasn't a particularly good sculpt. The other helmeted head was worse- really the only good head was the skull. They're in the color photos in StD (same book as the page you posted), the dog head is featured in a battle between world eaters and ultramarines (page 165, but its un-numbered)
Would you believe six different heads (I have all but the one with the bat winged helmet - I might have a hoarding problem)?
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Post by: Garukadon
Carlovonsexron wrote:Garukadon wrote:Nothing’s changed with the player base here I see. Always something to be unhappy about.
Angron looks too much like a bloodthirster? So what? -the model looks awesome!
Angron with a bunch of bloodthirsters on the table would look like an AoS army, which I think would look great.
By complaining about the complainers, you're feeding into the cycle!
Just let other people dislike it as much as you do like it- it doesn't really matter either way.
I’m complaining? Or telling people what to do and not to do? Look at you bossing me around telling me what I should do! I don’t need your permission, son, or approval.
Haha anyways... Looking forward to seeing the updated WE Zerkers. Add a Lord of Skulls to the mix. The thematic look of this army will look striking. Double neato points if the new dex will include the usage of Bloodthirsters.
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Post by: charles_the_dead_lizzard
The only thing that bugs me about Angron is simply that the face deviates too much from the Art and HH Model. The chin looks too wide and remembers more of Thanos rather than of Angron. Despite this, it is an awesome Model I look forward to see on the table.
I am also really Curious what units we will see in the Rooster for WE. The Leak also shows the Wing of a Blood Thirster in the background. This could make WE the first God-Allegiant-Legion to use Deamons.
It is a tough spot to build a World Eater army right now. Not knowing what units can be reused from CSM is really an unpleasant thing. While I am confident that we will see Rhinos, Land Raiders and Mauler Fiends, I assume that Terminators get dropped for a new faction specific counterpart. What about Hellturkeys? Tearing down planes in Meele from the Skies is 100% Khorne, meanwhile I wouldn’t say that I am certain to see them survive the transition. I hate this state :/
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Post by: Dysartes
Garukadon wrote:Haha anyways... Looking forward to seeing the updated WE Zerkers. Add a Lord of Skulls to the mix. The thematic look of this army will look striking. Double neato points if the new dex will include the usage of Bloodthirsters.
Given how the DG book is structured, I wouldn't bet on any in-Codex Daemons aside from the Daemon Prince.
charles_the_dead_lizzard wrote:The only thing that bugs me about Angron is simply that the face deviates too much from the Art and HH Model. The chin looks too wide and remembers more of Thanos rather than of Angron. Despite this, it is an awesome Model I look forward to see on the table.
I am also really Curious what units we will see in the Rooster for WE. The Leak also shows the Wing of a Blood Thirster in the background. This could make WE the first God-Allegiant-Legion to use Deamons.
It is a tough spot to build a World Eater army right now. Not knowing what units can be reused from CSM is really an unpleasant thing. While I am confident that we will see Rhinos, Land Raiders and Mauler Fiends, I assume that Terminators get dropped for a new faction specific counterpart. What about Hellturkeys? Tearing down planes in Meele from the Skies is 100% Khorne, meanwhile I wouldn’t say that I am certain to see them survive the transition. I hate this state :/
Using the Death Guard book as a template, I'd be reasonably confident on seeing the following, and less confident on others - I'm not going to rule anything out 100%, though, aside from the other Cult units:
- World Eaters Daemon Prince
- Kharn
- World Eaters Chaos Lord
- World Eaters Chaos Lord in Terminator Armour
- Khorne Berserkers
- Helbrute (or World Eaters Helbrute)
- World Eaters Possessed
- Chaos Spawn
- Chaos Land Raider
- Chaos Rhino
- Chaos Predator (both variants)
- Defiler
- Angron
I'd also throw in "World Eaters Terrain Piece" and some form of "World Eaters Cultists", too. Probably the Master of Executions too, thinking about it.
After that, I think we're outside of "inherited unit territory" and into "new World Eaters units" space.
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Post by: Gir Spirit Bane
I bet we'll see 40k Khorne Juggernaut unit and Khornigors
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Post by: Dysartes
No, not ruling them out at all - I was just thinking about what units might make the jump from the current CSM book into the forthcoming World Eaters book.
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Post by: Wha-Mu-077
Please no Khorngors, I bet you. That would mean every single boxed kit with World Eaters would be 5-6 Marines and 20-30 Khorngors, from now until the end of time.
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Post by: Cypher226
Looking at the leaked image it looks like there's some kind of unit with two-handed weapons in the background.
Following the DG template, there may be a whole raft of new characters. The Red Butchers seem to have fast become an iconic heresy unit so wouldn't be surprised to see a truly corrupted 41st Millennium version.
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Post by: Malika2
I know it won’t happen, but I’d still love to see close combat Defilers ridden into combat by Khorne Berzerkers
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Post by: blood reaper
Wha-Mu-077 wrote:Please no Khorngors, I bet you. That would mean every single boxed kit with World Eaters would be 5-6 Marines and 20-30 Khorngors, from now until the end of time.
Tbf I blame this on the fact the Thousand Sons lack a large range of figures to actually put in those boxes.
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Post by: GaroRobe
There is a khorne terminator lord coming with the new Warhammer + Subscription, and since the previous models have all been real units, its not out of the realm of possibilities there will be a stand alone kit.
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Post by: Wha-Mu-077
blood reaper wrote: Wha-Mu-077 wrote:Please no Khorngors, I bet you. That would mean every single boxed kit with World Eaters would be 5-6 Marines and 20-30 Khorngors, from now until the end of time.
Tbf I blame this on the fact the Thousand Sons lack a large range of figures to actually put in those boxes.
And personally I doubt that World Eaters are going to get much more, tbh.
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Post by: gorgon
charles_the_dead_lizzard wrote:The only thing that bugs me about Angron is simply that the face deviates too much from the Art and HH Model. The chin looks too wide and remembers more of Thanos rather than of Angron. Despite this, it is an awesome Model I look forward to see on the table.
I dunno. The novels talk about Angron's fanged maw --undoubtedly a nod to the WE symbol also -- and IIRC he actually *eats* enemy combatants on at least one occasion. So I get the thinking regarding giving him a large mouth and therefore jaw to go with it. Alt heads are definitely possible too.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I just want the Slaughterbrute to be part of the 'Dex.
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Post by: blood reaper
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: blood reaper wrote: Wha-Mu-077 wrote:Please no Khorngors, I bet you. That would mean every single boxed kit with World Eaters would be 5-6 Marines and 20-30 Khorngors, from now until the end of time.
Tbf I blame this on the fact the Thousand Sons lack a large range of figures to actually put in those boxes.
And personally I doubt that World Eaters are going to get much more, tbh.
Well, the Death Guard did, which is why I am semi-confident in the potential for the WB to get more stuff.
IMO the TS design manifesto really did not seem to take into account the approach of 8th (i.e., that all the legions would be broken off into their own books with their own unique figures), because when all their models were released the TS were part of the CSM army.
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Post by: ImAGeek
I think DG did because they were the bad guy faction in the starter for the edition. Necrons got a lot too. I’d hope WE get more than TS, but I think they’ll be closer to them than the Death Guard.
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Post by: Garrac
Yall are just suposing khorngors would be useless on the new codex. Don't forget GW's rule of "newest model gets best rules"
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Post by: ImAGeek
Which is one of those ‘rules’ with as many exceptions as examples following it.
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Post by: Wha-Mu-077
Garrac wrote:Yall are just suposing khorngors would be useless on the new codex. Don't forget GW's rule of "newest model gets best rules"
We're supposing people who want to run a WE army will want to run an army composed of World Eaters, instead of armies in the style of classic TSons boxed set of "Five Marines and thirty goats".
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Post by: Geifer
Wha-Mu-077 wrote:Garrac wrote:Yall are just suposing khorngors would be useless on the new codex. Don't forget GW's rule of "newest model gets best rules"
We're supposing people who want to run a WE army will want to run an army composed of World Eaters, instead of armies in the style of classic TSons boxed set of "Five Marines and thirty goats".
Birds. But I bet Emperor's Children would love to have six goats for each Marine.
Rules roulette and future army boxes aside, I'd be more worried that Khorne's dog soldiers will get the classic Plague Marine treatment with a box of eight for the price of ten. That initial leaked picture is not a good sign.
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Post by: Garrac
Seeing the lack of more leaks, I would say WE won't come until later this year- or the next
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Post by: The Red Hobbit
Wha-Mu-077 wrote:Please no Khorngors, I bet you. That would mean every single boxed kit with World Eaters would be 5-6 Marines and 20-30 Khorngors, from now until the end of time.
Yeah I'd prefer just boxes of Marines myself. Although I wouldn't be surprised if they take the chaos beastmen from BSF and throw them in WE.
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Post by: ImAGeek
The Red Hobbit wrote: Wha-Mu-077 wrote:Please no Khorngors, I bet you. That would mean every single boxed kit with World Eaters would be 5-6 Marines and 20-30 Khorngors, from now until the end of time.
Yeah I'd prefer just boxes of Marines myself. Although I wouldn't be surprised if they take the chaos beastmen from BSF and throw them in WE.
I would be, there’s a whole 2 models and they aren’t even available anymore.
Edit: BSF is actually still around, turns out, but I’d still be very surprised unless we got a separate box as said below. Even then, they aren’t specifically Khorne, they’d likely just be chaos in general.
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
ImAGeek wrote: The Red Hobbit wrote: Wha-Mu-077 wrote:Please no Khorngors, I bet you. That would mean every single boxed kit with World Eaters would be 5-6 Marines and 20-30 Khorngors, from now until the end of time.
Yeah I'd prefer just boxes of Marines myself. Although I wouldn't be surprised if they take the chaos beastmen from BSF and throw them in WE.
I would be, there’s a whole 2 models and they aren’t even available anymore.
I'd like to see a box of 10 of those. Could be used for both world eaters chaff troops and chaos guard melee troops.
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Post by: Wha-Mu-077
MajorWesJanson wrote: ImAGeek wrote: The Red Hobbit wrote: Wha-Mu-077 wrote:Please no Khorngors, I bet you. That would mean every single boxed kit with World Eaters would be 5-6 Marines and 20-30 Khorngors, from now until the end of time.
Yeah I'd prefer just boxes of Marines myself. Although I wouldn't be surprised if they take the chaos beastmen from BSF and throw them in WE.
I would be, there’s a whole 2 models and they aren’t even available anymore.
I'd like to see a box of 10 of those. Could be used for both world eaters chaff troops and chaos guard melee troops.
I don't see why they would go for it, realistically, given we already have Chaos Cultists with an identical loadout.
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Post by: tneva82
same goes for poxwalkers and tzaangors
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Post by: DreadfullyHopeful
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: MajorWesJanson wrote: ImAGeek wrote: The Red Hobbit wrote: Wha-Mu-077 wrote:Please no Khorngors, I bet you. That would mean every single boxed kit with World Eaters would be 5-6 Marines and 20-30 Khorngors, from now until the end of time.
Yeah I'd prefer just boxes of Marines myself. Although I wouldn't be surprised if they take the chaos beastmen from BSF and throw them in WE.
I would be, there’s a whole 2 models and they aren’t even available anymore.
I'd like to see a box of 10 of those. Could be used for both world eaters chaff troops and chaos guard melee troops.
I don't see why they would go for it, realistically, given we already have Chaos Cultists with an identical loadout.
I'm hopping khorngors will have some funky melee weapons options. And that they'll be playable in AOS's beast of chaos in a reverse Tzaangor fashion.
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