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Post by: jeff white
If it is 16 sprues, i might have to pull the trigger
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Post by: Tavis75
Yep, it was listed as 16 sprues on the price list earlier, Dark Uprising was 17, which is why I thought it might be the same set of terrain bar the sprue of barricades.
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
110 GBP is about $170/175 at GW's exchange rates. Still, better value than trying to pick up all the parts separately.
Each small set is a small and large wall set, door set, and seemingly 2 column sprues. for 50 GBP. The Platform set is 2 of each those sprues for 35 GBP. One sprue of pipes is 11.25 GBP.
So the big set with 1 door sprue, 1 pipe sprue, 2 large and 2 small walls, the 4 platform sprues, and 6 column sprues gets you one less door sprue but 2 more column sprues for 36.25 GBP less than buying the smaller boxes.
I'm going to pick up one of the big boxes from my FLGS to add to my existing stuff. If they rerelease the floor tiles, I'll grab a second to go with them.
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Post by: Kanluwen
I think the tiles are coming back, they haven't marked them "No Longer Available" just "Temporarily Out of Stock".
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Post by: zedmeister
Eightfold Harvest Lord for today:
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Post by: zamerion
finally a novelty of forge world for necro
It does not hallucinate me, but it is to be appreciated.
Do you know what it can be house of chain?
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Post by: Chopstick
Hopefully they look more interesting than their name.
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Post by: zedmeister
House of Chains...?
That doesn't ring any bells. Guilders? Prisons/prisoners? New house? Maybe another Chaos inspired gang, perhaps Slaanesh?
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Post by: MonkeyBallistic
House of Chains could just be a BL novel perhaps?
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Post by: Albertorius
That mini seems to be from Necromunda just because they say it is... seems to be more at home in the Khorne AoS range, IMHO.
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Post by: Mr_Rose
Wasn’t aware anyone in AoS carried chainsaws?
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Post by: Albertorius
I'm honestly not sure... they have so many spikes on the blades nowadays that I can't really tell.
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Post by: solkan
I'd be willing to be that there was a chainsword in one of the D1000 Chaos gift slots back in the day. So if no one in AoS has a chainsword, you're missing out. 
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Where were Lascannons in the D1000 charts back in the day, so by comparison a Chainsword seems pretty mundane.
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Post by: JWBS
Nobbla blackwart has one, so the technology exists!
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Post by: Clockpunk
House of Chain ... ... to hazard a guess, I wonder if that might be an updated Pit-Slave focused gang... a couple of rogue overseers, mainly augmetic - with grafted weapons - industrial slaves. That could be cool...
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Post by: witchdoctor
So is the new Zone Mortalis bundle the same contents as dark uprising? The picture on Warhamer-Community makes it look like only half of what is shown in the Dark Uprising box on the GW website.
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Post by: zedmeister
Clockpunk wrote:House of Chain ... ... to hazard a guess, I wonder if that might be an updated Pit-Slave focused gang... a couple of rogue overseers, mainly augmetic - with grafted weapons - industrial slaves. That could be cool...
Ooo, good guess. Pit slaves would be an interesting addition! Not seen much of them as yet...
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Post by: JWBS
witchdoctor wrote:So is the new Zone Mortalis bundle the same contents as dark uprising? The picture on Warhamer-Community makes it look like only half of what is shown in the Dark Uprising box on the GW website.
I dunno, seems unclear atm. The photos show about half as much, but people are saying that the sprue count is the same.
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Post by: Either/Or
kharadron overlords ballon dudes have quasi chain swords/chain fists
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Post by: Xanthos
JWBS wrote:witchdoctor wrote:So is the new Zone Mortalis bundle the same contents as dark uprising? The picture on Warhamer-Community makes it look like only half of what is shown in the Dark Uprising box on the GW website.
I dunno, seems unclear atm. The photos show about half as much, but people are saying that the sprue count is the same.
Boxes of terrain are up on the australian site. It is the full contents of Dark Uprising, minus the barricades and objectives, which were the least interesting after the first set anyways. Huzzah!
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Post by: JWBS
 Xanthos wrote:JWBS wrote:witchdoctor wrote:So is the new Zone Mortalis bundle the same contents as dark uprising? The picture on Warhamer-Community makes it look like only half of what is shown in the Dark Uprising box on the GW website.
I dunno, seems unclear atm. The photos show about half as much, but people are saying that the sprue count is the same.
Boxes of terrain are up on the australian site. It is the full contents of Dark Uprising, minus the barricades and objectives, which were the least interesting after the first set anyways. Huzzah!
Oh that's awesome, glad to hear it, saves me a bit as I'll get this instead of DU now that this is confirmed.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
65 GBP less than DU and missing pipes, barricades, book and two 150% sized gangs. Kind of a wash.
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Post by: Chopstick
Hive Warzone sold out instantly worldwide, ouch...
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Post by: Barksdale
I got two of the warzones, one columns and walls, one stairs and platforms, plus the CGC cards and dice. A good week!
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Post by: zamerion
house of chain maybe are doctors?
So you can use as gang, or as scum doctors..
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Post by: Xanthos
 lord_blackfang wrote:65 GBP less than DU and missing pipes, barricades, book and two 150% sized gangs. Kind of a wash.
Pipes and barricades are on the contents list. So mostly just book, cards, dice and gangs left out. And double amount of pipes, if we are to believe the packing list.
I'm content with the contents, at least...
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Post by: Clockpunk
zamerion wrote:house of chain maybe are doctors?
So you can use as gang, or as scum doctors..
Ooh, when was that shown? Not seen that before... and I like!
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Post by: Lord Damocles
Why are the teeth on the cleavers clearly too large to fit inside the armoured housings? They'd never be able to work.
 solkan wrote:
I'd be willing to be that there was a chainsword in one of the D1000 Chaos gift slots back in the day. So if no one in AoS has a chainsword, you're missing out.
There was a chainsword in Liber Chaotica.
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
110 GBP, or $185. 1.68 dollars to the pound. The fake exchange rate is getting worse.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
I got mine for £88......
Khorne was pleased.
Khornolials? Less so.
Do you see what I did there?
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Post by: zamerion
Clockpunk wrote:zamerion wrote:house of chain maybe are doctors?
So you can use as gang, or as scum doctors..
Ooh, when was that shown? Not seen that before... and I like!
i saw it on internet, it must be from last year's seminar when they showed the ash waste drawings , but it went a little unnoticed.
they carry chains /saws... so maybe is the new house of chains.. i hope!
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
They'd made a logical counter part to pit slaves as well.
The monsters and the monster makers.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
 MajorWesJanson wrote:110 GBP, or $185. 1.68 dollars to the pound. The fake exchange rate is getting worse.
Here we go again.
Literally every company in the world does this, GW is just the only one that is cheaper in Europe.
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Post by: Smaug
 Lord Damocles wrote:
Why are the teeth on the cleavers clearly too large to fit inside the armoured housings? They'd never be able to work.
I always thought the blade on a chainsword didn’t spin between the motor and a cog at the tip like a traditional chainsaw, but oscillated back and forth like a hedge trimmer. I know the stories say whirling teeth, but the art and models never seem like they would work that way. In the end I guess chain weapons sound better than oscillating weapons.
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Post by: JWBS
lord_blackfang wrote: MajorWesJanson wrote:110 GBP, or $185. 1.68 dollars to the pound. The fake exchange rate is getting worse.
Here we go again.
Literally every company in the world does this, GW is just the only one that is cheaper in Europe.
Imagine if, upon the release of literally every product in existence, there were a flood of complaints about "Why is this cheaper in America though??" KEKW
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
The point isn't that GW is using an imaginary exchange rate, but that it isn't even self consistent. Exorcist is 50GBP, $80 USD. 1.6 dollars to the pound. The usual. But this is 110 GBP at $185, where 1.6 would be $176. On top of the exchange rate including the VAT.
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Post by: JWBS
Ok. Your happy to pay more, but would prefer to pay more in a more consistent way (like Apple, Samsung, and everyone else always does). Understood.
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Post by: jeff white
Smaug wrote: Lord Damocles wrote:
Why are the teeth on the cleavers clearly too large to fit inside the armoured housings? They'd never be able to work.
I always thought the blade on a chainsword didn’t spin between the motor and a cog at the tip like a traditional chainsaw, but oscillated back and forth like a hedge trimmer. I know the stories say whirling teeth, but the art and models never seem like they would work that way. In the end I guess chain weapons sound better than oscillating weapons.
It is a weapon ... not a toothbrush.
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Post by: JWBS
Does it remove more plaque than a manual brush though?
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Post by: Smaug
jeff white wrote:Smaug wrote: Lord Damocles wrote:
Why are the teeth on the cleavers clearly too large to fit inside the armoured housings? They'd never be able to work.
I always thought the blade on a chainsword didn’t spin between the motor and a cog at the tip like a traditional chainsaw, but oscillated back and forth like a hedge trimmer. I know the stories say whirling teeth, but the art and models never seem like they would work that way. In the end I guess chain weapons sound better than oscillating weapons.
It is a weapon ... not a toothbrush.
JWBS wrote:Does it remove more plaque than a manual brush though?
https://www.amazon.com/slp/oscillating-saw/d9w5oxqosv2k75c
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Post by: archont
JWBS wrote:Tavis75 wrote:So, is the £110 box the same amount and mix of scenery sprues as the content of the Uprising box, minus the barricades sprue?
Looks way less
DU set
I am very interested to know the relative value of this terrain set vs the terrain in Dark Uprising.
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 Sqorgar wrote:Tavis75 wrote:So, is the £110 box the same amount and mix of scenery sprues as the content of the Uprising box, minus the barricades sprue?
No. It basically would require another walls and columns box, minus the door sprue (so 3 more columns sprues, 1 small wall sprue, and 1 long wall sprue).
Some pipes too I think.
Soooo ...
2 Wall Sections ( 2 Wide ) (equal to Dark Uprising)
8 Wall Sections ( 1 Wide ) (equal to Dark Uprising)
2 Stairsections (equal to Dark Uprising)
6 Pipesections, 2 Generators ... ( about: twice of Dark Uprising )
one Elevator (equal to Dark Uprising)
145€ - vs - 230€ (Dark Uprising)
but in Dark Uprising I also get some 53€ of Subjugators and Corpsegrinder Cultists each;
plus I get one of those nice Mats to lay down on the Gamesurface
plus templates
plus cards
plus a rulebook
plus tokenz
plus two sets of dice ( some 24€ )
Bottom Line, If I have a use for the Gangs; Dark Uprising will buy me basically the same amount of terrain for 100€ ;
while the huge collection clocks in at 145€.
Guess I'll be buying a fifth Dark Uprising Box or so :-D
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Post by: Kanluwen
New Reveals from Nuremberg Toy Fair! House of Chains is, apparently, a supplement for House Goliath! Stimmers: Forge-Born The Book:  The House of Chains is a huge update for Goliath gangs, including house alliances, unique scenarios, themed terrain features, and even Slave Ogryn gangs. We’ll have more news from the underhive soon.
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Post by: Lord Damocles
So even bigger big beefy beefcake dudes, and not-juves. Inspired.
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Post by: Overread
I like it! It also sets a nice concept up for the other forces getting "their own book" which suggests going forward that GW might be copy-catting their "main game" model for releases for Necromunda. Which is really interesting because it suggests at least a mid-term shift toward a more "mainline" style product and that means long term support has a much greater chance of sticking around
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Post by: zamerion
house of chains!!
incredible miniatures!!!
We can already imagine what will come this year, supplement for each gang.
and seeing the level of the goliath .. I don't want to imagine how the others will be ..now I'm lazy to paint my cawdor xd
also.. ogryn slave gang???
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Post by: Clockpunk
Blimey, I was not expecting this - an how awesome it all looks! If this is how we get the house brutes, more house-exclusive weapons, and unique skills - bring it all on! ^_^
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
And Goliath Wimmins, which is always welcome.
Will of course be getting the book, and am intrigued to see what the contents are like.
Also, really digging the pinhead look of the Stimmers. Sets them out as different from Space Marines.
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Post by: privateer4hire
Hopefully these are hardback supplements like the enforcers book. That would make them run, what, $47 apiece?
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Definitely a cool idea. Some of the art suggests we may have character specific Goliath leadership or hired gun types.
I still wouldn't mind the extra stuff like weapons and heads in plastic. Even better would be if some of the new stuff is compatible with the current Goliath plastics.
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Post by: ImAGeek
The ‘Juves’ look awesome, and I like the big guys. All three games showed today have stuff coming I want. Makes up for the dearth of news for them for a while.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
 privateer4hire wrote:Hopefully these are hardback supplements like the enforcers book. That would make them run, what, $47 apiece?
Looks pretty thick pages wise, so could be more Codex price?
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Post by: Segersgia
Weirdly these aren’t called Zerkers, but Stimmers.
Unless Zerkers are something entirely different.
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Post by: The Phazer
Juuuuuuuves! Glad we're finally getting Juves for the core gangs.
Hopefully you don't have to give them double handed close combat weapons though, Juves die a bit too easily for that. Nice models too, with bonus points for a female Goliath and saws for impoverished Genestealer Cult sorts to steal for Acolytes.
The Stimmers are a bit awkward looking, but not terrible.
Not entirely sure I'm in love with the idea of yet another set of rulebooks for the core gangs but hey ho.
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Post by: ImAGeek
Codexes are cheaper than the hardcover Necro books (£25 to £28)
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Billy and Barry Pinhead.
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Also, House of Gains.
There. I’ve coined it. Me first. I win. I are grate.
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Also, anyone else seeing a Furiosa conversion in their future?
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Glad to see the models. NOT glad at the prospect of a second book for every gang in a game that is already at the most extreme end of nickel and diming us for rules in the whole gaming industry.
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Post by: Shadox
So are these 'Zerkers and Juves or something different?
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Post by: Baxx
Rules bloat! These are not champs and juves, they are new fighter classes. We get more of everything we already got enough of (fighter classes, weapons, scenarios, alliances, gang variants, special terrain).
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Gonna stick to my guns, despite having slavishly bought every book so far.
For me, it’s all content lead. I don’t mind doubling up on some rules, provided the majority of each book is new rules.
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Post by: Chopstick
The long-awaited Champion and Juves expansion! That make me excited what coming up next for Escher.
Also I hope they space for a female Goliath champ , the female juve look nice...
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Post by: Baxx
These are not juves or champs though :( Everybody wanted minis for juves and champs. Nowhere did anyone ask for more fighter classes (specially not dual wielding heavy/special weapons).
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Post by: Albertorius
They look cool enough. Shame about there being just three bodies among all of them.
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Post by: Kanluwen
It does say that this is an "update", so it might be that they're renaming Juves and Champions for each faction.
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Post by: Overread
I think these are juves just that instead of all the clans using juves they will now have their own "internal to clan" name and associated model kit.
It also leaves the door open for GW to make generic juves as a kit on their own with their own basic weapons without having to make a single kit and then a halfdozen weapon packs - one for each gang.
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Post by: zedmeister
Looks like they’re going to replace Juves and Specialists(?)
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Post by: Shadox
 Kanluwen wrote:It does say that this is an "update", so it might be that they're renaming Juves and Champions for each faction.
It seems to me like that. They did it with the Corpse Grinders already and if these are all the bodies there are, they could fit two of each on a single sprue.
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Post by: JWBS
I honestly think there'll be no Juves per se as the current climate makes it probable that someone will complain about child soldiers. Serious.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
I’m not 100% on that.
Could just be variants on the above, that have a more restricted development tree?
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Post by: streetsamurai
I dont think there's a female juve.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Technically right.
There’s two!
You can tell because of the Knocker Plate.
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Post by: Chairman Aeon
I think this is where Necro is drifting from its origins—and I’m ok with that. Hopefully these books are complete and don’t need the shared book...
Can’t wait to see the other gangs.
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Post by: Baxx
 Overread wrote:I think these are juves just that instead of all the clans using juves they will now have their own "internal to clan" name and associated model kit. It also leaves the door open for GW to make generic juves as a kit on their own with their own basic weapons without having to make a single kit and then a halfdozen weapon packs - one for each gang.
So far everything has been unique minis and weapons per gang. No sign of GW has any interest in making generic kits. If it's a gang specific rename of juves and champions, rules are going to be updated, because according to GW juves can't be armed with weapons that cost more than 20 credits (first game, I know, silly rule). Fighters can't have use 2 unwieldy weapons (without skill). And no existing Goliath is having any chance at utilizing 2 special/heavy weapons at the same time). Also keep in mind all their minis have weapons that can be purchased from start. If it is a choice between adding 2 new fighter classes or updating/renaming 2 existing fighter classes, I fear GW wants to expand instead of update/rename existing stuff.  Chairman Aeon wrote:I think this is where Necro is drifting from its origins—and I’m ok with that. Hopefully these books are complete and don’t need the shared book... Can’t wait to see the other gangs.
These books are not going to be "complete". No book GW ever release is "complete". Dual wielding grenade launcher (or is it heavy bolter?) is drifting way off course in my opinion.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Well, with just the ‘main’ two books (rules and Gangs) you’re good to go.
The rest is optional.
And let us all be entirely honest. One of the reasons GW originally dropped this sort of game, was their inherently limited sales potential, compared to ‘full scale’ games.
As I’ve said many times before, as long as each expansion provides meaningful content? I’m okay with it, as it means the game keeps bringing in new money, keeping it in turn alive for longer.
Other opinions are of course available, and I do not present as gospel.
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Post by: Oguhmek
Whoa, this is cool. I can't wait to see what I'll get for my Eschers!
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Post by: streetsamurai
Pretty much all goliath have these plates
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Erm....I really don’t know what to say.
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Post by: Chopstick
Along with female jawline and much thinner arm and waist.
Yes you can convince yourself that that's just a pretty boy goliath.
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Post by: streetsamurai
as seen here Automatically Appended Next Post: Chopstick wrote:Along with female jawline and much thinner arm and waist.
Yes you can convince yourself that that's just a pretty boy goliath.
I wouldn't be surprised if GW made them deliberately ambiguous
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
They’re.......they’re not ambiguous.
At all.
Two body sculpts. One female. One male. I really am baffled you’re not seeing that?
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Post by: streetsamurai
I don't know what kind of women you interact with, but there's nothing about these sculpts that define them as clearly female.
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Post by: aka_mythos
I'm curious to see whether the Slave Ogryn Gang is going to get actual models or if its a "use existing 40k model" list, that they expect you to use IG ogryn minis... From a practical standpoint, I wonder how many Ogryn's you'll actually be bringing. 3?
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Post by: JWBS
They're definitely female.
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Post by: Chopstick
 streetsamurai wrote:I don't know what kind of women you interact with, but there's nothing about these sculpts that define them as clearly female.
Welcome to GW female sculpting 101. With experience maybe one day you'll also be able to spot a female fighter from Warcry The Unmade.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
JWBS wrote:I honestly think there'll be no Juves per se as the current climate makes it probable that someone will complain about child soldiers. Serious.
Or GW is worried about them using a term left over from Judge Dredd and wanting something more distinct. Probably both.
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Post by: Kanluwen
 aka_mythos wrote:I'm curious to see whether the Slave Ogryn Gang is going to get actual models or if its a "use existing 40k model" list, that they expect you to use IG ogryn minis... From a practical standpoint, I wonder how many Ogryn's you'll actually be bringing. 3?
I wouldn't be shocked to see it as a kit, like the Ambot.
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Post by: Sqorgar
Heck yeah! Bloat away, I say! More toys for the sandbox. Every book they release makes the Necromunda world so much more interesting.
These are not champs and juves, they are new fighter classes.
But they can be, if you want.
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Post by: streetsamurai
Chopstick wrote: streetsamurai wrote:I don't know what kind of women you interact with, but there's nothing about these sculpts that define them as clearly female.
Welcome to GW female sculpting 101. With experience maybe one day you'll also be able to spot a female fighter from Warcry The Unmade.
I've probably been collectioning GW minis for much much longer than you have Is it me or is the stimmer a pretty bad sculpt?? Really don't like it
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Post by: Crimson
streetsamurai wrote:Chopstick wrote: streetsamurai wrote:I don't know what kind of women you interact with, but there's nothing about these sculpts that define them as clearly female.
Welcome to GW female sculpting 101.
With experience maybe one day you'll also be able to spot a female fighter from Warcry The Unmade.
I've probably been collectioning GW minis for much much longer than you have
I commend your perseverance; it must be pretty challenging hobby for a blind person.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
streetsamurai wrote:Chopstick wrote: streetsamurai wrote:I don't know what kind of women you interact with, but there's nothing about these sculpts that define them as clearly female.
Welcome to GW female sculpting 101.
With experience maybe one day you'll also be able to spot a female fighter from Warcry The Unmade.
I've probably been collectioning GW minis for much much longer than you have
Is it me or is the stimmer a pretty bad sculpt?? Really don't like it
Lets all calm down here. We've all bought too many GW models for too long, and yes they really bad at sculpting women.
I didn't see it at first either and I'm on an actual computer, on a phone or something there's no way I'd see it.
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Post by: Sqorgar
Arguments over the gender of 3 inch tall models is exactly why boob plate is a necessary thing.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
 Crimson wrote:
I commend your perseverance; it must be pretty challenging hobby for a blind person.
Seriously. Calm down.
Ain't no call to insult each other over toy soldiers. Automatically Appended Next Post: Sqorgar wrote:Arguments over the gender of 3 inch tall models is exactly why boob plate is a necessary thing.
1 inch. One and a quarter with the current scale inflation.
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Post by: streetsamurai
It's pretty pathetic to see how some reacted so strongly just because I stated that I'm not sure these minis are female.
Really shows that the hobby attract a lot of basement dwellers unfortunately
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Post by: JWBS
 Kid_Kyoto wrote: streetsamurai wrote:Chopstick wrote: streetsamurai wrote:I don't know what kind of women you interact with, but there's nothing about these sculpts that define them as clearly female.
Welcome to GW female sculpting 101.
With experience maybe one day you'll also be able to spot a female fighter from Warcry The Unmade.
I've probably been collectioning GW minis for much much longer than you have
Is it me or is the stimmer a pretty bad sculpt?? Really don't like it
Lets all calm down here. We've all bought too many GW models for too long, and yes they really bad at sculpting women.
I didn't see it at first either and I'm on an actual computer, on a phone or something there's no way I'd see it.
It's her shoulders and jaw. Yeah some guys have a slim figure and some girls are bulkier but as far as classic physiques go it's pretty clear that the females have been sculpted to have slighter, slimmer, less broad, less muscular bodies.
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Post by: Sqorgar
I was thinking action figures, for some reason. You are right... though I'll bet those Goliath Stimmers come pretty close to 3".
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Nah.
Those steroids will ensure ohhhhhhh, wrong train of thought
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Post by: Chairman Aeon
streetsamurai wrote:It's pretty pathetic to see how some reacted so strongly just because I stated that I'm not sure these minis are female.
Really shows that the hobby attract a lot of basement dwellers unfortunately
And how is your basement—that you doubled down on at least three times.
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It will be interesting seeing what the other gangs “specialists” will be—brute lite or something else all together. More importantly I hope we don’t have to wait long.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
So we haven't even got the Goliath Zerker mini, and we're already got something to replace it? And I take it that these new Prospects replace Juves? Then there's the chance of them collecting all 6 of these expansions into a bigger Gangs of Necromunda 2: More Rules. And they haven't even finished releasing minis for the things in the first gang book.
Yeah... no. Not doing it.
The nickel & dime drip-feed early access DLC model for Newcromunda is fething awful, and I won't be part of it...
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Post by: Chopstick
More like a Champ replacement / variant / stand-in model. Zerker is a brute with very limited loadout.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
And? So? But? Therefore?
That doesn't change the fact that we're getting more DLC when there are still gaps in the initial lineup of minis.
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Post by: Coenus Scaldingus
So they're just going to slowly rehash all the Gang War books? But with extra unique names for all profiles because that helps clarify things, and more unique weapons (so as not to expand, but simply replace the previous version of the rules), and one assumes some more unique Tactic cards but why not eh?
...
On a positive note, at least this release will be accompanied by (at least some of) the relevant miniatures.
May get additional Escher models if they look nice and offer some nice bits, but not touching any of these books. Wait a year and there'll be a new version. Maybe between now and the 5th iteration of each House Gang, we'll see actual figures for all their pets and brutes. One day, little Phyrr cats, one day...
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Post by: Thargrim
I'm kind of glad they are going this route, going back and fleshing out the 6 house gangs...which are kind of the core of the setting to begin with. The single little sprue for each gang wasn't quite enough. The downside to this is of course the books. But if you only collect one gang, it's not much of a hit. But it seems like a lot of players collect multiple gangs. We are getting a lot of content for Necromunda though. If money is a problem then it's probably a smart idea to focus on one gang only.
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Post by: Albertorius
Yeah, this new sprue, that apparently holds three minis, seems like a big improvement.
...not
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 Automatically Appended Next Post:  H.B.M.C. wrote:And? So? But? Therefore?
That doesn't change the fact that we're getting more DLC when there are still gaps in the initial lineup of minis.
Yeah I agree. And if this also is a power creep, this dual wielding renderizer muscle champ could potentially beat the zerker in a duel!
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H.B.M.C. wrote:And? So? But? Therefore? That doesn't change the fact that we're getting more DLC when there are still gaps in the initial lineup of minis.
Brute like zerker are limited to 1 per gang while this look like and is probably the closest thing we'll get to "plastic weapon upgrade" and extra model option for ganger. If i had to choose between Gang exclusive Ambot 2.0 (zerker) , Kal Jericho 2.0(some overpriced hired guns) and updated roster and new generic fighter for the gangs. I'd choose the latter for plastic production. Especially with their limited quarterly release schedule. But yes being a madlad and all people would actually want GW to spend the next 2-3 years to creeping out every single 1 per gang fighters and overpriced hired gun in plastic. Are they cool model to have in plastic? Yes. But not at the expense of other more useful/meaningful things. Actually keep releasing new gang is a better choice than that.
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Still not the point.
Why are they going and adding more stuff when they haven't even finished releasing all the Gang stuff from the first year's worth of content?
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Post by: Danny76
Sounds good and looks cool.
But, how long before each gang gets their new book and models? 2/3 month gaps. That’s just disheartening.
2 gangs at a time in a book would at least be a bit better.
And they’d said about all the other content planned, the Guilds and whatnot. Let alone hitting on the Outlander stuff that they said would be till after all that. Now all this between it as well.
Great to show long term plans for support, but also, so long before stuff will all be here.
Makes me glad I never ended up starting Necromunda..
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
So will the Cawdor book have a new type of brute that isn't a Stig Shambler? Will we ever get a Stig Shambler mini? Will we get a Delaque Spyker mini before the inevidable Delaque book arrives in Q3 2021? Khimerix? Orlock Lugger? Will there be some other techn-rig for Van Saar before the Arachnirig sees the light of day (assuming it ever does at this point).
And we haven't even got to the missing exotic beasts yet. Hired Guns that have yet to see releases, and everything else.
Does this new Goliath brute replace the Zerker, thereby meaning that with each House book sections of the Gangs book will be invalidated, further decreasing its worth (just as the core book and gang book rendered the Gang War books obsolete)?
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H.B.M.C. wrote:
Does this new Goliath brute replace the Zerker, thereby meaning that with each House book sections of the Gangs book will be invalidated, further decreasing its worth (just as the core book and gang book rendered the Gang War books obsolete)?
Don't forget the small Goliath also replacing the Sum Kroc.
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That makes zero sense and has nothing to do with what I said.
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Post by: Chopstick
Your comparison about a generic new ganger type with option and loadout replacing a 1 per gang fighter with almost no option make as much sense.
A question that make sense : Is this Stimmer/Forgeborne replacing my Champ/Juve?
A question that make no sense : Is the Goliath zerker replacing my champ? Is this new generic fighter type replacing my 1 per gang brute?
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Chopstick wrote:Your comparison about a generic new ganger type with option and loadout replacing a 1 per gang fighter with almost no option make as much sense.
A question that make sense : Is this Stimmer/Forgeborne replacing my Champ/Juve?
A question that make no sense : Is the Goliath zerker replacing my champ? Is this new generic fighter type replacing my 1 per gang brute?
My guess is they're going to be, statistically or equipment-wise, better than taking a generic Juve but cost about the same.
So you can still take a Juve/Champion, it just won't be as good as taking your House-specific equivalent.
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Post by: Crimson
How releasing rules for this game is handled is pure insanity, but new models are always nice. And if someone wants traditional juves these new models will fit that purpose as well.
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I don’t mean to criticize but aren’t Goliath’s an all dude faction, I think I remember that’s one of the reasons House Escher hates them. I’m pretty sure two of those Juves are female. I know everything is woke these days but doesn’t this go against fiction and canon? Will we see male Escher juves? (Shutter!)
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Post by: Sqorgar
Just out of curiosity, is there any other hobby out there where people complain as incessantly about getting new content? Do Dungeons and Dragons players go, "Ugh. More source books! Now they added a Monk class and new magic items? This DLC is nickel and dime-ing!"
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John D Law wrote:I don’t mean to criticize but aren’t Goliath’s an all dude faction, I think I remember that’s one of the reasons House Escher hates them. I’m pretty sure two of those Juves are female. I know everything is woke these days but doesn’t this go against fiction and canon? Will we see male Escher juves? (Shutter!)
Goliath is not an all men faction. Escher gangs are female only cause Escher males have some kind of genetic disorder that makes them weaklings and babling idiots. Still, I agree with you that female goliath doesnt fit at all with the theme of the gang
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 Arbitrator wrote: My guess is they're going to be, statistically or equipment-wise, better than taking a generic Juve but cost about the same. So you can still take a Juve/Champion, it just won't be as good as taking your House-specific equivalent.
Well Enforcer should be an example of this system. They have Patrolman and Subjugator. Patrolman can also be upgraded into Subjugator. Or just entirely new fighter type that co-exist with the current one.
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streetsamurai wrote:
Still, I agree with you that female goliath doesnt fit at all with the theme of the gang
How?
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Post by: Albertorius
Sqorgar wrote:Just out of curiosity, is there any other hobby out there where people complain as incessantly about getting new content? Do Dungeons and Dragons players go, "Ugh. More source books! Now they added a Monk class and new magic items? This DLC is nickel and dime-ing!"
...yes? Do you frequent many RPG forums at all? Fans complain because there is new content, because there isn't new content, because it's too long between sourcebooks, because it's too early between them, because., the new stuff invalidates their current stuff, because the new stuff is basically the same as the old., because.. anything, really.
Pretty much the same everywhere, which is logical enough, people being people.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Chopstick wrote:Your comparison about a generic new ganger type with option and loadout replacing a 1 per gang fighter with almost no option make as much sense.
So really, wilfully or otherwise, you just don't understand what I'm talking about and are using non-sequiturs in an attempt to disprove what I'm saying? Lemme break it down for you: Is the Zerker entry being replaced by this new Stimmer one, or added to? Do Goliath gangs still have Juves, or are these Prospects a replacement for the Goliath Juve rules? If the answer is "replace", then this is very bad, as it will render specific parts of the gang book obsolete before they've even seen a miniature release. If the answer is "add" then it's still bad, because it means there's an even greater backlog of Newcromunda crap to get through, but it's not as bad as the first possible answer. Get it yet? Sqorgar wrote:Just out of curiosity, is there any other hobby out there where people complain as incessantly about getting new content? Do Dungeons and Dragons players go, "Ugh. More source books! Now they added a Monk class and new magic items? This DLC is nickel and dime-ing!"
Invalid comparison, because D&D books don't have accompanying miniatures that are still not out years after the rules were out (also because D&D isn't a miniature game...), and are now seemingly being replaced with a similar thing leaving the older options in complete limbo.
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Post by: streetsamurai
Goliath are all about size and stength, and IIRC have a very short lifespan. An abnormaly huge and strong women would have been cool as a special character, but mixed gangs just doesn't match with how i view Goliath
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I would tend to agree.
Probably because fluff wise they are juiced to the gills former laborers who were created for there size and strength and lack of brains. None of these are traits normally associated with females in general. I know is sci fi but they still stick certain immutable facts. Just my attempt to decipher the idea that’s all.
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Yep, doesn't make sense with Goliath.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
*shrugs*
I mean if they're all vat-grown anyway, then I don't see having a giant muscle-bound female Goliath is any weirder than a giant muscle-bound male Goliath.
I just wish there were more obviously female Orlocks. Out of all the gangs (Escher notwithstanding) they're the one where female gangers would actually stand out, whereas with Van Saars/Cawdor they can be hidden, all Delaques look the same, and Enforcers wear giant suits of armour. Orlocks should have obvious female gangers.
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In the end I hope all the gangs get juves.
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Anyone who hasn’t read Necromunda Terminal Overkill should.
She doesn’t last long but Goliath woman sure gives as good as the rest of the lads and just as dumb
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Done some cleaning in this thread and I guess its time to remind everyone that being polite here is not an option, it is a rule. Abide by it. If you see a post that breaks the rules then hit the yellow triangle and tell us about it but then do not respond. Suppose I may as well remind everyone that the other rules are stay on topic and don't spam.
Thanks for you cooperation,
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Post by: Sqorgar
Found over on Board Game Geek, a thread about the Weekender last year:
Existing Gang Expansions
the two Saturday seminars went into some details about the expansion of the existing House gangs. This takes the form of the introduction of ‘specialist champions’ and ‘juve prospects’
not a lot was said about the champions, but logically these will provide unique weapons, wargear, and/or rules to the gangs that regular champions don’t. I’d hazard a guess to look at the new GSC characters for ideas (vox guy, tactician etc). They did go into a little lore detail for the prospects though.
Prospects are individuals that are actively trying to join the gangs, and as such get given dangerous weapons and jobs to do to prove themselves. Prospects will deal be gang specific and will vary in what they do. the only example given was that of the Goliaths, who get given Arc Welders. Welding tools that shoot out wipes of lightning to weld armour to ships and to the hive exterior, as you could imagine these weapons are dangerous not only to the enemy but the prospect himself and others near him. It was suggested to start with 2 or 3 of these, and after a few games you would probably only have one left alive, but they’d get really good.
Prospects, regular juves, and the new specialist champions would be coming on a new plastic sprue for each of the gangs (time lines, and if these are one at a time, or in waves is unknown). Also unknown if these will be sets of single pose models, or full multi-part kits like the standard sprues.
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H.B.M.C. wrote:*shrugs*
I mean if they're all vat-grown anyway, then I don't see having a giant muscle-bound female Goliath is any weirder than a giant muscle-bound male Goliath.
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That may be the first human being I've ever seen who actually DOES look like a 28mm heroic miniature blown up to life size.
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With, admittedly, small hands.
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That's horrifying, but even so, clad that in red armour, give her a mohawk, some bar piercings, a giant hand-cannon and really what's the difference? 
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I'm not sure how I feel about this. I mean it's a nice addition but I think I'd rather they did something like Ratskin Renegades that could use Corvus Cabal figs as conversion fodder.
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 Breotan wrote:I'm not sure how I feel about this. I mean it's a nice addition but I think I'd rather they did something like Ratskin Renegades that could use Corvus Cabal figs as conversion fodder.
If they chickened out with the pointy-hat'd Cawdor guy, do you honestly think that Ratskins are ever going to see the light of day again?
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H.B.M.C. wrote: Breotan wrote:I'm not sure how I feel about this. I mean it's a nice addition but I think I'd rather they did something like Ratskin Renegades that could use Corvus Cabal figs as conversion fodder.
If they chickened out with the pointy-hat'd Cawdor guy, do you honestly think that Ratskins are ever going to see the light of day again?
They put a Ratskin in the latest novella, but I agree they prob wont put models out there.
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Sqorgar wrote:Just out of curiosity, is there any other hobby out there where people complain as incessantly about getting new content? Do Dungeons and Dragons players go, "Ugh. More source books! Now they added a Monk class and new magic items? This DLC is nickel and dime-ing!"
DLCs provide extra content. They don't replace existing content.
If you play Goliath, you first had rules in Gang War 1. And then the Gangs of the Underhive book. And now in a new codex-esque supplement. Presumably the same will be true for all other gangs, and I would argue each had plenty of options once actual models are released for them. If more options and variation is desired, adding in e.g. the Guilds is a great option, once actual models are released for them. Not a fan of GW's fetish to release countless supplements each year which typically add very little (see also: Psychic Awakening). It was already hard to justify buying any because of the absolute mess they are in terms of proofreading and planning, and even more so if their content has a lifespan of about a year.
JustALittleOrkish wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote: Breotan wrote:I'm not sure how I feel about this. I mean it's a nice addition but I think I'd rather they did something like Ratskin Renegades that could use Corvus Cabal figs as conversion fodder.
If they chickened out with the pointy-hat'd Cawdor guy, do you honestly think that Ratskins are ever going to see the light of day again?
They put a Ratskin in the latest novella, but I agree they prob wont put models out there.
There certainly won't be any Ratskins exactly like they used to be. But then, many of the House Gangs aren't exactly like they used to be, and I could certainly see a new version with a slightly or heavily altered aesthetic. But not any time soon apparently, as they feel the need to re-release all House Gangs first...
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Post by: Agamemnon2
I'm really liking the sculpts. Goliaths have never been my favorite gang aesthetically, but those big power saws on the juves and the exoskeletons on the hench big boys are great. For all of us Cyberpunk 2020 fans, there's a nice Linear Frame vibe to them. (indeed, you can see something similar worn by the Animals gang boss in last year's Cyberpunk 2077 gameplay teaser).
The actual release model of Necromunda is an idiotic mess, however, and shows that for all that GW's supposed changes upon changes, they are more or less the same. After changes, they are more or less the same.
aka_mythos wrote:I'm curious to see whether the Slave Ogryn Gang is going to get actual models or if its a "use existing 40k model" list, that they expect you to use IG ogryn minis... From a practical standpoint, I wonder how many Ogryn's you'll actually be bringing. 3?
The 40k Ogryn kit is pretty nice, you could definitely build a decent gang with just those and some bitz. Heck, if the box wasn't so expensive, I'd be very tempted to do just that.
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Moar bookses!!!
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Post by: Albertorius
 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:Sqorgar wrote:Just out of curiosity, is there any other hobby out there where people complain as incessantly about getting new content? Do Dungeons and Dragons players go, "Ugh. More source books! Now they added a Monk class and new magic items? This DLC is nickel and dime-ing!"
DLCs provide extra content. They don't replace existing content.
If you play Goliath, you first had rules in Gang War 1. And then the Gangs of the Underhive book. And now in a new codex-esque supplement. Presumably the same will be true for all other gangs, and I would argue each had plenty of options once actual models are released for them. If more options and variation is desired, adding in e.g. the Guilds is a great option, once actual models are released for them. Not a fan of GW's fetish to release countless supplements each year which typically add very little (see also: Psychic Awakening). It was already hard to justify buying any because of the absolute mess they are in terms of proofreading and planning, and even more so if their content has a lifespan of about a year.
That's true. Rather than DLC, it's planned obsolescence.
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 Albertorius wrote: Coenus Scaldingus wrote:Sqorgar wrote:Just out of curiosity, is there any other hobby out there where people complain as incessantly about getting new content? Do Dungeons and Dragons players go, "Ugh. More source books! Now they added a Monk class and new magic items? This DLC is nickel and dime-ing!"
DLCs provide extra content. They don't replace existing content.
If you play Goliath, you first had rules in Gang War 1. And then the Gangs of the Underhive book. And now in a new codex-esque supplement. Presumably the same will be true for all other gangs, and I would argue each had plenty of options once actual models are released for them. If more options and variation is desired, adding in e.g. the Guilds is a great option, once actual models are released for them. Not a fan of GW's fetish to release countless supplements each year which typically add very little (see also: Psychic Awakening). It was already hard to justify buying any because of the absolute mess they are in terms of proofreading and planning, and even more so if their content has a lifespan of about a year.
That's true. Rather than DLC, it's planned obsolescence.
Planned? You give the writers too much credit! Nothing about Newcromunda seems planned... “opportunistic obselescence” maybe! 
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Well, as planned as it is in 40k or AoS, at any rate. A way to make you buy the same stuff over and over again every... apparently six months, nowadays.
I mean, as a subscription it seems a bit on the wasteful side 
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Post by: SnotlingPimpWagon
H.B.M.C. wrote: Breotan wrote:I'm not sure how I feel about this. I mean it's a nice addition but I think I'd rather they did something like Ratskin Renegades that could use Corvus Cabal figs as conversion fodder.
If they chickened out with the pointy-hat'd Cawdor guy, do you honestly think that Ratskins are ever going to see the light of day again?
Googled ratskins to refresh the memory. What’s the problem here? Animal cruelty? They do adorn minis with bones all day every day.
I wonder what specials will Delaque get. Nice to see FW improve its painting, btw
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SnotlingPimpWagon wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote: Breotan wrote:I'm not sure how I feel about this. I mean it's a nice addition but I think I'd rather they did something like Ratskin Renegades that could use Corvus Cabal figs as conversion fodder.
If they chickened out with the pointy-hat'd Cawdor guy, do you honestly think that Ratskins are ever going to see the light of day again?
Googled ratskins to refresh the memory. What’s the problem here? Animal cruelty? They do adorn minis with bones all day every day.
They're inspired by Native American tropes and more general "noble savage" concepts, and that's now badwrongtripleungoodculturalappropriation according to enough people that GW almost certainly won't want the controversy even if said people within the company don't end up with any authority over what gets made.
Sqorgar wrote:Found over on Board Game Geek, a thread about the Weekender last year:
Existing Gang Expansions
the two Saturday seminars went into some details about the expansion of the existing House gangs. This takes the form of the introduction of ‘specialist champions’ and ‘juve prospects’
not a lot was said about the champions, but logically these will provide unique weapons, wargear, and/or rules to the gangs that regular champions don’t. I’d hazard a guess to look at the new GSC characters for ideas (vox guy, tactician etc). They did go into a little lore detail for the prospects though.
Prospects are individuals that are actively trying to join the gangs, and as such get given dangerous weapons and jobs to do to prove themselves. Prospects will deal be gang specific and will vary in what they do. the only example given was that of the Goliaths, who get given Arc Welders. Welding tools that shoot out wipes of lightning to weld armour to ships and to the hive exterior, as you could imagine these weapons are dangerous not only to the enemy but the prospect himself and others near him. It was suggested to start with 2 or 3 of these, and after a few games you would probably only have one left alive, but they’d get really good.
Prospects, regular juves, and the new specialist champions would be coming on a new plastic sprue for each of the gangs (time lines, and if these are one at a time, or in waves is unknown). Also unknown if these will be sets of single pose models, or full multi-part kits like the standard sprues.
Well, that last bit at least provides some hope the Prospects sprue will include some regular Juve arms & weapons on there.
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 Yodhrin wrote:
They're inspired by Native American tropes and more general "noble savage" concepts, and that's now badwrongtripleungoodculturalappropriation
Or, as normal people call it, racist.
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If we were to see Ratskins back, I'd expect them to double down hard on the archeotech worship side, with lots of machine pieces as armour, skitari styled weapons and wargear, alongside the rat pelts, just to make them distinctly New-cromunda.
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That would require intent. Ratskins were a pastiche of Native American culture through the lens of an Imperial Hive same as Catachans are of Vietnam GIs, or Valhallans of WWII Russians, and so on.
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Post by: Baxx
I can't be offended by design of miniatures.
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You can easily make Ratskins without explicit Native American references. Directly porting existing real world cultures into a setting that exists tens of thousands of years in the future is pretty silly and tired anyway.
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I'd remind people that they still make western films - not as many as in the heyday, but they are still made. Plus the whole native american aesthetic can be basically transcribed to any "lives off the land nomadic people" the world over. From America to the Mongols you see very similar patterns that, boiled down and used as a base for a fantasy race, work well.
Plus the whole concept of primitive religious tribespeople living in a wasteland urban environment is pretty well established as a trope of its own.
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Overread wrote:
Plus the whole concept of primitive religious tribespeople living in a wasteland urban environment is pretty well established as a trope of its own.
Sure. But I can see how making the only explicitly non-European inspired gang to be the 'savages' might have some unfortunate implications...
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Is this also not people clutching at thoroughly imagined pearls?
Not seen any objection to the original Ratskins from any quarter.
Ditch certain design styles from House Cawdor is an entirely different matter. That style of hat carries clear connotations. And sad little edge lords will no doubt paint it in a certain colour to, uhh, shall we say 'excite the comment of their peers'.
Can't see any company welcoming that sort of heat, so it was ditched. Especially as it wasn't exactly iconic of House Cawdor.
Indeed, it was more of a Redemption Crusade look, and even then not especially predominant. Only the Preacher and Deacons having the conical hood.
That's it. So again, much imagine pearl clutching go on about a non-issue, as that style of hood was never a Cawdor thing.
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Can you imagine why a certain style of clothing, with all it's serious connotations might've been swapped out?
Especially when it's not featured on any other model in it's house range?
The imaginary pearls being clutched here is the erroneous idea GW are somehow sanitising a line, when in fact the thing replaced was never part of the line in the first place.
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H.B.M.C. wrote:That would require intent. Ratskins were a pastiche of Native American culture through the lens of an Imperial Hive same as Catachans are of Vietnam GIs, or Valhallans of WWII Russians, and so on.
I’m not sure how much on topic that is, but as it is about a possible release of a gang in Necromunda, I’d wager it’s fine. And I agree with you. As a russian I don’t see valhallans as a caricature of my people with an intent to mock them, as all sane people wouldn’t. And it’s a fictional universe- anything goes. Next thing we know Tomb Kings are racist. Anything that resembles any one or more cultures is racist. Well, Warhammer isn’t a place for you folks, who see the world that way, then, as it is a mishmash of a billion influences of history and other fiction. And all fiction is at least loosely based on some culture.
I hope redemptionists make a return. But those sketches of “chains” and “dust” gangs look terrific, can’t wait for these gangs to get a release.
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Crimson wrote:You can easily make Ratskins without explicit Native American references. Directly porting existing real world cultures into a setting that exists tens of thousands of years in the future is pretty silly and tired anyway.
But they would look cool though. Malifaux has some Native American and Indian references in their minis, and they are amazing. No one seemed to mind them there.
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JWBS wrote:
The other, numerous, negative traits that are integral to the light-skinned guys are pretty cool though aren't they?
Yes, as white people have not traditionally been discriminated against based on such traits.
Now I don't actually find the old school Ratskins to be super problematic, certainly not on the same level than the KKK hat. But then again, I'm not a Native American. And I actually agree that 'cultural appropriation' accusations are something that sometmes gets out of hand. Not all depiction or inspiration by a real culture is cultural appropriation. But it is certainly a good thing to be mindful about what sort of connotations and stereotypes your depiction of a real culture evokes.
It's an easy and effective way of signalling your virtuosity to strangers.
I mean this 'virtue signalling' was started by a person preemptively complaining about a 'wokeness' inspired change that has not even happened...
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Except it has...
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Removing an unnecessary design element seen nowhere else in the range due to very serious negative connotations is not 'wokeness'.
And there is nothing beyond speculation from those seeking something they can claim others are offended by so they can in turn by offended, that Ratskins are being dropped or massively redesigned.
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RIP  I fear for the redemtpionists...
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I haven't found any miniature ever to be problematic.
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Baxx wrote:I can't be offended by design of miniatures.
You may not, but a lot of people apparently can. And does.
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Coenus Scaldingus wrote:Not a fan of GW's fetish to release countless supplements each year which typically add very little (see also: Psychic Awakening). It was already hard to justify buying any because of the absolute mess they are in terms of proofreading and planning, and even more so if their content has a lifespan of about a year.
Necromunda gets four supplements a year, and since they moved away from Gang War, nothing has become obsolete. I have no problem justifying 4 books a year, especially since reducing my GW games down to only Necromunda and Warcry.
JustALittleOrkish wrote:There certainly won't be any Ratskins exactly like they used to be.
They’ve already released one ratskin model. Well, half ratskin.
It’s likely GW will shy away from the old design (like they shied away from some classic Sisters of Battle designs), but it is worth remembering that ratskin s are not native Americans. They are a primitive culture that exists in a fictitious sci-fi universe that has probably never heard of the indigenous cultures one of billions of planets, some 40,000 years prior.
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