So let's start talking anything related.

As a recap it was belial, deathwing knights, terminators/deathwing as a possible upgrade sprue and/or introducing assault terminators for DA by the rumours I think.

How big are the shows?

Seems quite early for DA when the roadmap has them as March. Wonder if this will just be a single kit/codex reveal, with more later.

 xttz wrote:
Seems quite early for DA when the roadmap has them as March. Wonder if this will just be a single kit/codex reveal, with more later.

Might even just be a shady silhouette/or .25s 2-3 frame job or lots of random minis.

Thinking about it some more, I wonder if this means some new DA will be released in Jan/Feb via a limited army set or combo box like the Vashtorr one. Then the full codex arrives in March per the roadmap.

There are chains and bullet holes. Dark Angels and Chaos Marines get their codex in the same quarter. Dark Angels vs Fallen box confirmed?

But agreed, sure feels a bit early.

I'm expecting a big teaser/reveal of the Flesheater Courts for AoS.

It better be an announcement of an army set for the Flesh-Eater Courts. We're due Book 4 of Dawnbringers for AoS in Q4 of 2023.

We're also, weirdly, not getting a WarCry preview despite there being 2 warbands slated for that in the same timeframe.

Flesh eater courts big reveal is pretty much a given.

I think we're due some Khemri stuff for Old World, perhaps even a glimpse of the starter set.

The cynic in me says Deathwing Knights before Assault Terminators, as that would tempt a few people to get the kit ahead of the generic release (who I'd have pegged to be with Blood Angels, later).

New Kill team set will be interesting as it'll likely confirm one of two sets of rumours for the rest of the season, or show that we've got no idea what's happening.

Underworlds I'm not on top of, so could be anything, even more flesh eater courts.

Necromunda is probably the Enforcer Taurox and Delaque vehicle (though wasn't there just one video rumoured?). Maybe a tease towards what will be in the next edition.

There is still a mystery plastic army for HH

Not Online!!! wrote:
There is still a mystery plastic army for HH

If the "mystery" isn't SA I'll buy a unit out of respect and shock.

Again, Delaque isn't a lock-in for vehicles. They've said that not everyone was going to get one.

Really surprised. I'm hoping we see the rest of what Necron and maybe Admech are going to get. If all Admech get is a weird stilt sniper, that'll be kind of underwhelming, but they are a healthy range of full plastic models so it's not a huge thing.

Necron desperately need more of their old characters to move from resin to plastic, so hoping to see a few more of them before we start worrying about Dark Angels...

It's probably just a Taurox, but maybe we'll finally see some Eye of Selene stuff for Newcromunda.

KT will be whatever's after Scouts'n'Scorps.

40k will be the third Necron model, some waffling about the Codices, and then Dark Angels.

AoS is obviously the worst kept secret in all of GW: Flesheater Courts.

TOW will be Tomb Kings, where they don't get plastic Ushabti, Tomb Scorpions or new Skellingtons.

HH will probably be the other Dorito Dread plus Jump Pack Mk.VI.

And Underworlds will be another overpriced starter set and some really impressive looking minis as Underworlds is the only place where the designers get to take risks and experiment.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Again, Delaque isn't a lock-in for vehicles. They've said that not everyone was going to get one.

And given everything that's been done to Delaque since Newcromunda came about, is it any wonder that they're going to miss out on getting a vehicle?

I hold out that if the vehicles have sold well enough then other factions will get them. They just might not be part of this cycle of books that GW has planned.

Not if they're done with Ash Wastes and are moving onto one of the many other settings they've been teasing for years (Secondus, Selene, etc.).

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Not if they're done with Ash Wastes and are moving onto one of the many other settings they've been teasing for years (Secondus, Selene, etc.).

Eh depends - there's huge areas of the internal of the Hive that can easily have vehicles.

Dudeface wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
There is still a mystery plastic army for HH

If the "mystery" isn't SA I'll buy a unit out of respect and shock.

I was hoping for Custodes myself, but yes SA is almost guaranteed. IIRC there was a pic with the full sized version of a SA baneblade. Would be cool if they gave it some volkite options for SA to make it stand out.

Not expecting any Votann.

Not looking forward to anything as I'm rather content, but...

Kill Team needs to get a move on regarding models that are already avaliable in plastic; Warlocks, Banshees and Wraithguard. Its great that Scorpions are on the way, but its hard to move on from the previous edition when you have to leave so many models on the shelf. Improved rules are obviously a strong reason to move on, but not if one is restricted to garden variety Guardians, Rangers and Avengers. It would be like moving to the latest edition of 40K, but taking 3 years to drip feed your favourite units over different books, magazine articles and then annuals.

Underworlds is in a good place and one of GW's most successful games, but years roll by and there's still no sign of a 40K counterpart. That said a new Sylvaneth warband would be nice.

40K and AoS are in their never-ending codex/battletome grind. Flesh Eater Courts should do well while new Deathwing would be awesome.

Horus Heresy might cover more than just the 28mm game itself? Maybe not, but they did a HH preview and Legions teaser during WarFest. Solar Aux seems highly likely but both AT and AI could do with new starters. Legions already has a long backlist of previews to release so not expecting anything there.

The Old World...pass. Dunno. Glad its back, I guess?

No interest in Necromunda, but out of all GW's skirmish games its the one that could do well by offering a solo-coop supplement. The skirmish market has an abundance of solo-coop options but GW keep leaving money on the table. Thats fine if all they have is the odd skirmish game thats straight up intended for tournaments, but they have KT and WC for that and Necromunda is a narrative focus which is perfect for solo-coop. Speak of that devil...

Its actually cool that GW offer two solo-coop dungeon crawlers but neither have been well supported in the last few years. While I think its time to retire Blackstone, it would be sad to see the modern classic bow out after keeping us entertained during covid. But it was a product intended for the 8th/9th edition era of 40K, and we now have the return of Votaan and Corsairs to offer interesting new characters. It would be nice to see a teaser trailer for a new 40K quest at the end of the preview.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
TOW will be Tomb Kings, where they don't get plastic Ushabti, Tomb Scorpions or new Skellingtons.

I like the idea that Old World previews primarily exist to tell us what we don't get.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Again, Delaque isn't a lock-in for vehicles. They've said that not everyone was going to get one.

And given everything that's been done to Delaque since Newcromunda came about, is it any wonder that they're going to miss out on getting a vehicle?

I haven't paid attention to this at all. Was it not everyone gets a vehicle or not everyone gets support for Ash Wastes? Out of curiosity.

 Geifer wrote:

I haven't paid attention to this at all. Was it not everyone gets a vehicle or not everyone gets support for Ash Wastes? Out of curiosity.

Not sure, but I think any remaning gangs can use light vehicle kits from 40K and given the rules to support kitbashing. Would have to double check.

I am weirdly in a spot where I don't think I have any specific wishlist for this preview. I'd love to see more plastic Necromunda models, but my expectations are low. And I don't really know what else we are waiting on for any of the other games.

I guess I'd love to see Furnace Kings or Sky Goblins for AoS, but don't expect them to introduce a new army when the new edition is rumored to be coming next year.

 Geifer wrote:
Was it not everyone gets a vehicle or not everyone gets support for Ash Wastes? Out of curiosity.

In the case of Delaques it's both!

For me I'm not expecting too much. As a BA collector I don't mind pinching the occasional DA bit, but I doubt Deathwing will that useful (and I've just built new scale termies with bits from BA termies and Greyknights). I'm not expecting anything more for Necrons or Admech (which I both also collect). The Killteam releases unlikely to be related to any if those three, so unless there is something else Tyranid related to drop (and I don't see what it would be) should be a good preview for my future wallet.

SamusDrake wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

I haven't paid attention to this at all. Was it not everyone gets a vehicle or not everyone gets support for Ash Wastes? Out of curiosity.

Not sure, but I think any remaning gangs can use light vehicle kits from 40K and given the rules to support kitbashing. Would have to double check.

I was assuming that this would cover he other factions - guilders,outlaws and cults etc.
I'd be surprised if one of the core gangs didn't get support.

Partially I'm asking because GW might be cheeky about it, saying Delaque don't get a vehicle only to ride on the back of Cthulhu, Glottkin style. Technically correct, but specifically phrased that way to infuriate HBMC. It's the kind of thing to expect from the larger part of GW's public communication.

But yeah, I'd definitely find it odd to single out a single of the core house gangs. I'm not sure how anybody could think of that as a good idea.

Via Joe at B&C:



Spoiler for size and in case people want a genuine surprise.

Nice. Maces look less silly than the current ones.

Very nice!

Looking good.

a mobile picture of a mobile showing a picture

I get that it is easier to make a pic with the phone than uploading a screenshot, but this is another level

 kodos wrote:
a mobile picture of a mobile showing a picture

I get that it is easier to make a pic with the phone than uploading a screenshot, but this is another level

Wait, let me take a pic of my computer screen.

Ooooh! I dig those. Very cool.

Interesting that some of the bodies are repeated, though maybe it's just to show off multiple build options?

I'm gonna go buy the current kit, since there are so many great bits

 Dawnbringer wrote:
Nice. Maces look less silly than the current ones.

Symbol is a winged sword.

Weapon of choice a mace.

Who says the Alpha Legion are the masters of deception?

So it's going to be well into the afternoon tomorrow when I'll be able to check the new reveals, so I need you all to hate on everything in my stead.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
So it's going to be well into the afternoon tomorrow when I'll be able to check the new reveals, so I need you all to hate on everything in my stead.

Maybe I stay up and going to love the reveals (even if I don't like them) - and there's nothing you can do. Sleep well!

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Dawnbringer wrote:
Nice. Maces look less silly than the current ones.

Symbol is a winged sword.

Weapon of choice a mace.

Who says the Alpha Legion are the masters of deception?

Wait, are you saying a bunch of armored dudes that have "knight" in their name should carry swords? Ridiculous

 GaroRobe wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Dawnbringer wrote:
Nice. Maces look less silly than the current ones.

Symbol is a winged sword.

Weapon of choice a mace.

Who says the Alpha Legion are the masters of deception?

Wait, are you saying a bunch of armored dudes that have "knight" in their name should carry swords? Ridiculous

For the Dark Angels, swords are for keeping sheathed and carried on the back or by hooded watchers, not for swinging in anger.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Dawnbringer wrote:
Nice. Maces look less silly than the current ones.

Symbol is a winged sword.

Weapon of choice a mace.

Who says the Alpha Legion are the masters of deception?

And the winged sword is broken. Maces are more durable.

Getting Battlestar Galactica Cylon vibes from the helmet heads, but it might be the angle/quality of the photo.

Finally a cheap source of Terranic Greatswords! Still ordering one more box of the current Terminators for Nullificator maces.

Looks fine.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Dawnbringer wrote:
Nice. Maces look less silly than the current ones.

Symbol is a winged sword.

Weapon of choice a mace.

Who says the Alpha Legion are the masters of deception?

And the winged sword is broken. Maces are more durable.

Wait, are you saying the winged swords didn't just fly off and force these guys to use maces, they also flew into a wall and broke?

The Dark Angels really didn't think this through, did they?

Those sure are marines. You can tell because they look exactly the same as every other marine. It's a good thing they have 800 kits or we might not know that.

 GaroRobe wrote:
Interesting that some of the bodies are repeated, though maybe it's just to show off multiple build options?

Pretty sure the repeated one is the 'Sergeant' build, noting the special adornment bit over the head.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Dawnbringer wrote:
Nice. Maces look less silly than the current ones.

Symbol is a winged sword.

Weapon of choice a mace.

Who says the Alpha Legion are the masters of deception?

Symbol is a winged broken sword. No wonder they use a mace.

 kodos wrote:
a mobile picture of a mobile showing a picture

I get that it is easier to make a pic with the phone than uploading a screenshot, but this is another level

It's hard to tell but it feels like it was taken without knowledge of phone 1

I can't tell if the sword complaints are jokes or actual nitpicking, but I like these Deathwing Knights - for my Greymanes.

It is silly that they took pictures of a phone with a phone.

 RaptorusRex wrote:
I can't tell if the sword complaints are jokes or actual nitpicking, but I like these Deathwing Knights - for my Greymanes.

It is silly that they took pictures of a phone with a phone.

It's an imagine of a message on Snapchat, if they took a screenshot it would alter the sender.

I assume it's someone that got a leak, but wasn't comfortable sharing the leak themselves. I guess they didn't even want to risk sending it to someone, so this was the work around?

Seems a bit pointless though, given the reveal is happening tonight (most likely was pre-leak, and guaranteed to happen now) but eh

It's the same reason people always do this crap:

eFame! Bragging rights in their local circle, etc.

You seem offended that someone leaked a photo.


Anyway, they're fine I guess. But I was hoping for actual Assault Terminators...

And a big fella.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
And a big fella.

Spoilers.

AoS minis eternally mogging 40k minis.

Maybe for you. That thing looks ugly and overly complex to my eyes, in my opinion.

 RaptorusRex wrote:
Maybe for you. That thing looks ugly and overly complex to my eyes, in my opinion.

Nah, you're right. Plus those Deathwing Knights had rivets on their legs! The standard ones don't have those.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Spoilers.

Why? They're miniatures. Not a movie.

ERJAK wrote:
Those sure are marines. You can tell because they look exactly the same as every other marine. It's a good thing they have 800 kits or we might not know that.

You say that, but for the first time in probably over a decade, Marines are like every other faction in 40k: They have gaps in their product lines.

1. There are no Assault Terminators*.
2. There are no Primaris Vanguard Marines.
3. There is only one bike-based character.
4. There is only one Jump Pack based character**.
5. There's no Gravis Librarian/Chaplain/Techmarine**/Lieutenant.
6. Outside of an outrageously expensive combo-box, you cannot buy a Phobos Lieutenant separately.
7. There's no Phobos Chaplain/Techmarine/Apothecary.
8. The Infiltrator kit is incomplete, lacking the parts to make a Helix Adept***.
9. You cannot purchase Suppressors outside of an outrageously expensive combo-box.
10. You cannot purchase a Judiciar outside of an outrageously expensive combo-box.
11. You cannot purchase a Bladeguard Ancient outside of an outrageously expensive combo-box.
12. Outriders still have an EZ-Build kit with no options.
13. There's no non-Chapter Specific Terminator Ancient (unless you get super lucky and find one from the Space Marine Heroes paint set online, and even that's the wrong scale for the new Terminators).
14. Outside of Special/Characters, all Dark Angel-specific minis are First Born.
15. Outside of Special/Characters, all Blood Angel-specific minis are First Born.
16. Outside of Special/Characters, all Space Wolf-specific minis are First Born.
17. Outside of Special/Characters, all Deathwatch-specific minis are First Born.
18. Grey Knights are still the old style Marines.

There are huge gaps in the Marine lines right now, ones that will take literal editions to fill (before we get Primaris Primaris Marines and start the whole wild ride again!).


*For all the pedants out there, you know exactly what I mean when I say there are no Assault Terminators.
**Again, for those attempting to engage their Pedantry Drives, I am talking about standard non-special Primaris characters here.
***Outside of a Kill-Team box... or an outrageously expensive combo-box.

Like the look of that big AOS guy.


It's totally unreasonable to come into a thread about a reveal stream before it's started and complain that people are sharing leaks. Unless this is your first day on the internet I guess

It was a two-eyed, five-horned, giant pricey people eater

I think the emphasis there will be on "pricey".

I guess he’s the summer king?

Orikan up first. No surprises there.

Still weird that there's no plastic Trazyn.

Whhhhhy does it have to be a "very dynamic miniature"!? Why could he not just be standing on the ground? Nice mini otherwise.

Who spotted the flash of the new Pariahs in the vid? They looked good.

I didn't see them.

Asmodai is fething sick. I need him I want him I will have him.

I see they included a new hat weapon with this new kit.

roadmap through summer -1 "redacted" codex.


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YEAAAHHHH FLESH EATER LAUNCH BOX

Fec(k) me. Those FEC are Fec(k)ing amazing.


The Deathwing kit is just.... fething amazing. I love how chunky they are.

YEEEEAAAAHHHH CRYPT GUARD ARE NOT REPLACING MY COLLECTION OF OVER 100 HORRORS!!!

YEEEEAAAHHHHH MORBHEG KNIGHTS ARE LIKE MINI TERRORGHEISTS!!!!!

Ghoul Courtier is amazing!

YEEEEAAAHHHH PLASTIC VARGHULF COURTIER LOOKS INCREDIBLE, I'M SO GLAD I HAVEN'T PURCHASED ANY OF THE OLD ONES OR 3D PRINTED ONE FROM MMF!!!

AND OMG THAT ABHORRANT CARDINAL feth YEAH, BRETONNIAN UNDEAD CLERGY!!!!!

AND A ROYAL DECAPITATOR TO DELIVER THE KINGS JUSTICE, OMG I'LL TAKE LIKE 5!!!

GUYS I AM SO EXCITED!!!!!!


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Yeah, I'm going to need at least 2 copies of the launch box.

AND USHORAN, YOU GLORIOUS BASTARD!!!!! Oh my word I'm going to be hitting my FEC hard.

Awww yisss, here come my jumpy boys.

Assault Marines as expected for heresy.

C'mon! Show us the other Dorito Dread!

"Nice big boxes of 10!"

So... normal size boxes. And that's small by HH.


Oh, the Tauros is plastic. Well I'll be...

Ahahah "nice big boxes.... of 10"

It woulda been nice if the assault marine kit included another melee weapon, so you could make a squad with, I dunno, like maces and shields, and then use the spare chainswords and bolt pistols to make despoilers.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
C'mon! Show us the other Dorito Dread!

"Nice big boxes of 10!"

So... normal size boxes. And that's small by HH.

Assault intercessors come in boxes of 5....

"Palatine"... its spelled "PALANITE", its on the screen! I expect you to know this!!!

chaos0xomega wrote:
Assault intercessors come in boxes of 5....

Your pedantry is noted.

10 is a normal squad, and as I said, small for HH.

chaos0xomega wrote:
"Palatine"... its spelled "PALANITE", its on the screen! I expect you to know this!!!

I remain convinced it was a spelling mistake that went to print and they just ran with it.

The Dark Angels look cool, but I'm not a 40k player.

FEC look great. That Varghulf is amazing. I don't play FEC, but that may pick one up to paint. Looks amazing.

That Kruelboyz Underworlds band is one of the most uninspired Underworlds bands I've seen. Kind of a shame because generally these UW has some of the best minis out there.

Excited for Heresy Assault Marines, definitely need some for my army.

Enforcer vehicle looks really solid too.

They really made Night Lords before they made Noise Marines -_-

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Assault intercessors come in boxes of 5....

Your pedantry is noted.

10 is a normal squad, and as I said, small for HH.

chaos0xomega wrote:
"Palatine"... its spelled "PALANITE", its on the screen! I expect you to know this!!!

I remain convinced it was a spelling mistake that went to print and they just ran with it.

I dont disagree with you on any of this, i'm just pointing out, they could have put asssault beakies in boxes of 5 instead of boxes of 10. Glass half full, yknow?

Night Lords got minis before Emperor's Children.

Ok.

Oh and Valrak was right. Again. Again. That's going to annoy a few people.

And I just had horrid thought: "Night Lords Squad" as a specific unit entry in the upcoming Chaos 'Dex. A vestigial unnecessary bit of clutter, like the "Lieutenant w/Combi-Weapon".

Didn't expect a Night Lords kit for Kill Team.....looks pretty cool if you ask me. Seems like a strange choice to do a subfaction specific Kill Team before more generic things.

I guess I have enough CSM extras and leftovers I guess that I can just start a Night Lords army on the side?


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Night Lords got minis before Emperor's Children.

Ok.

Oh and Valrak was right. Again. Again. That's going to annoy a few people.

Guess this is our new normal. Valrak being a reliable source of rumors... next time I hear him say he heard a Rogal Dorn kit is coming for 40k, I'll believe him.


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Did Tomb Kings need a bone dragon?

No.

Am I glad they did it anyway?

Yes.

I like that it's an Undead Dragon and not a Zombie Dragon.

Bone Dragon looks pretty awesome.

Also looked like on the ground we can see very old skeletons (booooo) and the previous Tomb Guard kit (yah!!!!!).

This is such a thin preview. Showing us half of everything. Didn't even make a full hour this time, with 7 systems.

So... a normal GW preview.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I like that it's an Undead Dragon and not a Zombie Dragon.

I like that its crocodilian, and not draconic


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What!? Thats it!???

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
This is such a thin preview. Showing us half of everything.

So... a normal GW preview.

Honestly kind of surprised they didn't show us the Tomb Kings range like they did with the Brets, "very early 2024" implies January or February to me.

I like that the Venator's plastic.

Weird that they didn't show off the Mandrakes, if in fact that's a 2P box.

That TK thing is quite stupid, if you don't mind me saying.

 BertBert wrote:
That TK thing is quite stupid, if you don't mind me saying.

As a matter of fact we do mind.

 BertBert wrote:
That TK thing is quite stupid, if you don't mind me saying.

Old World will follow AoS in requiring every army to have a Large $175 centerpiece model.

 TalonZahn wrote:

 BertBert wrote:
That TK thing is quite stupid, if you don't mind me saying.

Old World will follow AoS in requiring every army to have a Large $175 centerpiece model.

Pretty sure Fantasy had them for all the factions too (maybe not Dwarves?), they just weren't as expensive because of inflation and GW constantly increasing prices greater than inflation.

 Sabotage! wrote:
Honestly kind of surprised they didn't show us the Tomb Kings range like they did with the Brets, "very early 2024" implies January or February to me.

I've been saying this for years:

GW previews are like normal previews, but in slow motion.

You have to wait for their next preview to see the other half of what for anyone else would be a full preview.

I mean, FFS, previewing half a new KT box. Who does that?

Honestly I felt like this preview went fast. They used to spend a full 10 minutes I think on each preview piece, this time they kind of spoke to the extent they needed to and moved on.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:


And I just had horrid thought: "Night Lords Squad" as a specific unit entry in the upcoming Chaos 'Dex. A vestigial unnecessary bit of clutter, like the "Lieutenant w/Combi-Weapon".

Assuming they dont get the Dark Eldar treatment and don’t actually get rules for 40k.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
Honestly kind of surprised they didn't show us the Tomb Kings range like they did with the Brets, "very early 2024" implies January or February to me.

I've been saying this for years:

GW previews are like normal previews, but in slow motion.

You have to wait for their next preview to see the other half of what for anyone else would be a full preview.

I mean, FFS, previewing half a new KT box. Who does that?

You aren't wrong. It wouldn't be so strange if they were Warhammer community reveals - but showing off a single part of a box feels just bizarre.

I don't mean actual time the preview takes to show in slow motion.

I mean the rate of reveals is very slow.

ah, yes. Agreed. I wouldn't mind a more substantial preview myself.

The mummy king gave his bone dragon a headpiece so you'd know he's a special bone dragon.

Nothing too amazing, especially considering they made their countrymen stay up halfway into the night to see it.

I want that Bone Dragon as a unit in Total War Warhammer now.

agreed. TWW needs some lovin'

Wow, some nice previews here, even if I was hoping for a little more... well, more. My thoughts:
Orikan the Diviner: Nice looking model for sure, but I can skip him since I don't play Necrons.
Asmodai: Now THIS is a way to improve on an older model. I play Dark Angels so I'll have to get him of course. I just hope he has good rules this time around (for the first time ever); he'll never earn another black pearl if all he does is guard my shelf!
Deathwing Knights: OMG I WANT THESE NOW SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY! Seriously, I love the original Deathwing Knights (as it happens I'm working on a squad currently) but these are a definite improvement, and not just because they match the new Terminator proportions. I'll probably get two boxes and give them the swords since I already have a mace squad. We'll see how the rules measure up though.
Flesh-Eater Courts stuff: The models are interesting and well-executed to look like what they are, but that aesthetic is not my cup of tea. Plus I don't really want to start another AoS army right now.
New Kruleboyz Underworlds team: Probably some of the coolest Kruleboyz sculpts yet; if there was a scene for Underworlds locally I might actually consider getting them.
HH Assault Marines: I really like the models; if I was planning to play Horus Heresy I'd definitely grab some as it's a nice kit with lots of options.
Palanite Enforcers Tauros Venator: Ayy, they brought back one of my favorite vehicle designs from 40k and turned it into a cruiser. Palanites would be my go-to if I wanted to collect a second Necromunda faction, so it's nice to see them get some vehicular support.
Night Lords Kill Team: Unexpected, but very cool. I doubt I'll get them myself but the models do look great.
Tomb Kings Bone Dragon: Wow, that thing is awesome! Almost enough to get me to actually play TOW when it releases, especially since Tomb Kings would likely be my army.

As far as the 40k codex release schedule, it's nice to see that they plan to release a bunch in the spring, as so far we've only got two dexes released and the edition is nearly 6 months old already. Yes we've got Necrons and AdMech dropping soon (tm) but this has been the slowest codex release rate in the last three editions so far. I am of course super hyped for Dark Angels as they are my first love in 40k, so it's going to be a long winter for me. I just hope they are getting more than Asmodai and the Knights (would love new Ravenwing Black Knights or something).

Huh, that Night Lords Kill Team is actually just an upgrade sprue to the CSM kit: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/11/18/warhammer-championships-preview-night-lords-put-the-kill-in-kill-team/

Yeah they said that in the stream.

 xttz wrote:
It was a two-eyed, five-horned, giant pricey people eater

Exalted. Got a good guffaw from me. I am very gruntled with your poignant prose.

Well, I liked it. One of the better previews as of late. Paul needs to lower the intake of whatever he is consuming though...

40K - Necrons - Orikan & Cursade Expansion
Nice one! A good interpretation of the character, and a long needed plastic replacement. I just hope Necrons will get some more plastic with their book. The Crusade book is nice I guess.

40K - Dark Angels - Asmodai & Deathwing Knights
Thank goodness those smoke bits are optional! A great model overall. The DW Knights are... solid. Nothing too fancy (good), and they are not drowning in bling (even better). For some reason I still prefer their older, more cartoony version, and I don't know why.

AoS - Flesheater Courts - range refresh & Ushoran
Just spectacular! This is what the models should have looked like from the very start. I love pretty much everything about the FC range refresh, with that wig-thing judge being the one exception. Not that I am overly interested in using these for AoS, but they would make great material for TOW and a ghoulish not-Bretonnia army - undead Pegasi and all!

Underworlds - New Kruleboyz
I could hardly care less. Pretty low level for what I came to expect of Underworlds models.

HH - Mk.6 Assault Marines
Nothing new here really - but good to see them for real and painted. Getting options is nice. I wonder if the torso/jumppack parts are compatible with the new Mk.3 kit?

Necromunda - Enforcer Tauros
Great looking interpretation of that old FW design. I can see this in lots of different 40K armies - Orks, Guard, Cults. Possibly HH Militia? Either way, cool model.

Kill Team (40K) - Night Lords
Pretty darn great! I like everything I see. This kit should work perfect for KT, 40K and HH. Having the bat ears downsized but still noticable was the right choice. I expect this kit to be sold out for at least the coming year...

TOW - Tomb Kings Dragon
Both the highest high and the lowest low for me tonight. The dragon kit is nothing short of amazing! Both options work for me, and I had hoped for somethign similar 10 years ago. I can not wait to get my hands on this one, and I am very much looking forward what else TK will get. However! Old skeletons? Really, GW? REALLY?! Of all the things they could have missed with the TK relaunch, this is the biggest blunder. A discussion for another thread though...


Overall: solid. Lots in this one for me, with some stuff I would very much have seen more of (HH! TOW!). Anyway, it is what it is. Next!

 Snrub wrote:
Who spotted the flash of the new Pariahs in the vid? They looked good.

Right well I may have been a bit hasty with that... I think it was the different paintjobs that got me mixed up. All metal as opposed to metal and brass. And the shiny white heads.

They look like the current Lychguard, but the poses don't match real well. I'm not familiar with the kit though, so can you get array of poses from it?

Dang, I wanted those Deathwing Knight swords for Cataphractii Deathwing Companions, but the models look too good with them to take them away and too difficult to convert to Cataphractii. Guess I'll just have to make a 40k Deathwing army.
Interesting that the Assault Squad comes with lightning claws for both hands, but disappointing that it has no other weapon upgrades.

 Snrub wrote:
...

Those are just lichguard

 Snrub wrote:

 Snrub wrote:
Who spotted the flash of the new Pariahs in the vid? They looked good.

Right well I may have been a bit hasty with that... I think it was the different paintjobs that got me mixed up. All metal as opposed to metal and brass. And the shiny white heads.

They look like the current Lychguard, but the poses don't match real well. I'm not familiar with the kit though, so can you get array of poses from it?

I hate to break it to you Snrub, but those are lychguard.

Yeah bummer. Don't know the kit at all so wasnt sure.

Pariahs were my favourite unit from Dawn of War 1 and given the book is called "Pariah Nexus" I might of got a touch over excited.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
C'mon! Show us the other Dorito Dread!

"Nice big boxes of 10!"

So... normal size boxes. And that's small by HH.


Oh, the Tauros is plastic. Well I'll be...

10 is double the usual jump pack infantry box for gw...

tneva82 wrote:
10 is double the usual jump pack infantry box for gw...

Yeah but this is Heresy, where units are 2 or 3 times the size of their 40k counterparts. 10 is generally a minimum. Assault squads should be in a box of 20.

I'd be surprised if this box is less then $100AUD.

Snrub wrote:Ahahah "nice big boxes.... of 10"

They have huuuuuuge <cups hands>... tracts of sprues.

Anyway I'm probably going to get one of the Tauros Venators. I guess it's a good thing I haven't gotten around to starting on my Palanite Ridgerunner yet. Still going to finish the totally not-Lawmaster cycles though.

Crypt Guard is amazing!

Hope that redacted codex ends up being EC!

All in all, good preview. FEC are amazing and I'd be seriously tempted if I wasn't holding out for Skaven or Chorfs. Assault beakies are great and I hope they're out ASAP.

Okay I'm sneaking a peek before work...

I hate Ushoran, he doesn't even look like a GW model, he looks like Mierce Miniatures model.

Absolutely love everything else about FEC. Shame Varghulf lost his wings but oh well, the "pegasi knights" make up for it.

Usually horn fighters look pretty lame but that horn Kruleboyz looks badass.

chaos0xomega wrote:
agreed. TWW needs some lovin'

No, ca and sega need to burn.

I'd rather they keep making the game and learn from their mistakes than just "burn". Sure, GW doesn't learn from its mistakes, but I think CA can.

tneva82 wrote:
10 is double the usual jump pack infantry box for gw...

Didn't really read my post did you? Or the subsequent ones either. Or the people who already replied to me.

Nah that's fine, tnev. Why read someone's post when you can write a needlessly aggressive/snarky reply like you always do.

'We have to make Deathwing Knights more differnet from Assault Terminators Steve! We have to make people buy them again!'
'Eh, give 'em swords'
'Steve you're a genius. Fund it'

I am BEYOND excited about getting those FEC models. Man, been waiting for this and it absolutely blew my expectations out of the water. What a refresh! Awesome..

Anyone have a guess when these will be available?

Man I am so hyped…lol

 SgtEeveell wrote:

Snrub wrote:Ahahah "nice big boxes.... of 10"

They have huuuuuuge <cups hands>... tracts of sprues.

This is a Python quote that regularly bubbles around the swampy depths of my brain so I got a good chuckle out of this.


So a classic of GW to do a mild preview. Sad that the admech get the one mini to be added while everyone else gets at least a couple.

Flesheater Courts minis are absolutely fantastic. Probably some of the best GW minis I've seen in a while, very impressed with their character. I always liked the Strigori in Fantasy so I quite enjoy seeing them (un)alive and well. These and the Cities of Sigmar are just top notch, not a fan of AoS but as a tiny plastic enjoyer it's all very nice.

The few Dark Angels are pretty cool, love the new Deathwing Knights, I like that they reduced the size of their weapons because the prior minis were just comical. If they release these in a Combat Patrol with a DA sprue I'm gonna get it for my DA army that accidentally exists. Asmodai I'm not too fussed about, I'm extremely glad they have a backpack without the smoke because I don't like the look of that at all. It's very hit and miss as to whether they can get that to look good or not.

I'm glad the Venator is plastic, used to have the FW one for my drop troopers. But like the Scions those Enforcers are ugly ugly sinful minis so not for me, might procure it for an IG army I might build in the far future.

Night Lords Kill Team is it? Apparently an Orky shrug emoji was never added which is a shame. Couldn't give a monkeys considering there's plenty other Kill Teams out there. I suppose the benefit would be if you already had a Night Lords army you could use the bits to add to other units in your Chaos army? But I bet you only get enough for the 10 in the box..


Big reveal for me is the Tomb Kings dragon which is a belter. Can't remember who said it when I was scrolling through sorry but the fact it looks crocodilian is an excellent touch and I totally agree. GW have always done top of the line dragons and this is no exception eption. Nice big palanquin for the rider as well which is a plus so you don't just fall through it every time.

Orikan is a great addition to Necrons. Trazyn next?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I see they included a new hat weapon with this new kit.

I love that we finally get to see the actual Blades of Reason on his belt. That's awesome.

The bone dragon looks like such a hodgepodge of stuff stuck on one model. Don't care for it.

FEC's are fantastic and take this by a country mile.

Flesh Eater Courts win. Hands down.

Absolutely adoring everything shown off for them.

Nice to finally see the MkVI in the flesh fully. 10 to a box, come with Combat Shields. I’m happy enough with that.

Tauros Venator is I’m sure a welcome addition, if only so people can buy a modern classic kit in plastic.


Bone Dragon is gorgeous!

Night Lords. Nice looking kit, but I’m not fussed for the Legion myself.

Dark Angels stuff is top notch.

Orikan represents another bit of Finecast purged from the Necron range.

Underworlds, meh. Nowt wrong with them, just. Meh.

Ushoran is an awesome model!

Yeah, FEC ruled this preview. They got such a glow-up. They've gone from a tiny handful of units that all look old to a real army list with options and flavors.

I honestly would love to see the same for Fyreslayers next.

Flail one Kruleboy is my favourite from the new Krew.

Ushoran is one of the best models they’ve done tbh, and may have sold me a FEC army. Luckily the rest of their new stuff is also pretty damn good.

I still can’t believe the old Tomb Kings skeletons are coming back.

DA Knights are a worthy upgrade. Asmodai is okeish.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'd rather they keep making the game and learn from their mistakes than just "burn". Sure, GW doesn't learn from its mistakes, but I think CA can.

They haven't learnt since ETW with the sole exception of shogun 2 and stopped innovating since attila

Anyways, the most impressing thing here imo are the flesheater courts. That refresh has knocked it out of the park. Maybee a bit more armor on the knights and crypt guard would've been more thematic for that "dellusion" thingy going on, but i am massivly impressed.

Apart from the Tauros, everything shown was a swing and a miss for me.

I'm especially sad to see the Assault Marine poses, they look much worse than the ones Assault Interecessors have. Guessing this was done on purpose, in order to make larger squads look less repetitive? Only positive will be that you can now kitbash these new leg poses with the tacticals, since many of the poses wont look too out of place even on a bolter dude. I'll orobably want to be revisiting my existing unit sketches when these are released. The only silver lining is the chestpiece, it doesn't look as terrible as I feared.. not great, not terrible

Also, those Rogue Trader book cover art style helmet vents are finally coming in the new scale. I can see myself buying a bunch of these from bitz sellers to sprinkle in with the rest of my beakies

FEC Decapitator with the hood looks IMO better from the two options.

40k stuff was a bit disappointing, I just cant get behind the designs. The strip down terminators have more potential than these covered in details terms. Asmodai is weirdly cartoony.

Flesh courts are on the other hand an army that did nothing for me but these new miniatures are amazing. Even if the big boy has too much going on too.

Necromunda car is errrr boring vehicle.

Votann codex is MILES away now. SO annoying we do need more units asap.

FEC Cardinal is funny, and it looks like it solves a Rumour Engine?

Lots of good stuff in this preview.
I even like some of the Space Marine stuff, I might actually buy those Night Lords.

I'm really hyped for the FEC release. The Dawnbringers book part makes me a bit concerned though. It seems like it will be 2 different boxes released - Dawnbringers Box and Army Box. Based on the videos and pictures shown it's not clear what will be in the Dawnbringer box set. I hope it's not a bunch of old sculpts. Would really prefer to get only the new sculpts if possible.

The Kill Team announcement seems a bit weird. Is there no big new box set? Is there only 1 new team coming? Will it be a single standalone team box release? The Night Lords seem fun, personally not a big fan of the faction. Will probably pick up a box or two just for the fancy sculpts. Hopefully this means there will be more upgrades for other traitor legions.

Can't care less about AoS.
Night Lords - nice bits for Heresy NL players.
Skeleton Dragon - a nightmare to transport. Way too busy. Not sure I like it or hate it.
Jump marines. Honestly, compared to be beautiful MK5 resin ones, these look boring, uninspiring, bland, dull and many other words.
DA termies look better than Asmodai.

Will there be more reveals tomorrow or is this it?

Ugh, that Asmodai...

What globs of Juul are the fly by night YouTubers going to blow over it when it rotates slowly on the Lazy Susan when it's already there?

I'm glad it's optional, but man it's like some meta rubbish of the kind of "model emerging from the mists" you see on every other wannabe GW influencer video.

And now I caught up!

Flesheater Courts - that is utterly awesome and exactly the models they need! I'm loving how they are really now showing their madness on the model, these aren't just normal ghoul models these are noble knights and soldiers!

Kind of sad there's no revision to the zombie dragon kit, I'm guessing the getting started set is going to sell rather well now for a bit until it runs out of stock because that will likely be going away so you'll have to pay "full price" just for a terrorgast/zombiedragon kit in the future. Though gives me hope that when we see an update to those kits it will be a really awesome update!

Totally jealous that the TombKings are getting their own freaking skeleton dragon before vampires. There's a lot to love in the kit, though I've never been a fan of GW's style of "dragon with a huge throne on top", but it kind of works for the TK!

Necrons are chipping away at their finecast heroes and getting them out in plastic which is great to see GW focusing on that aspect. If they keep going the Necron line will soon be fully modern plastics. Save for the regular Destroyers


Everything else looks really good too - more vehicles for Necro and more Marine stuffs that look really good. Overall a great reveal and FEC steal the date with a well deserved and really well designed update

The more I look at Orikan, the more I dislike the model.

His nose hole just jumps out at you. The old model and artwork lacked it, and I think every other cryptek doesn't have it either. It just looks weird

Very impressed with what's been done to the Flesheater Courts model line, it's a stunning update really and whomever took over the job of sculpting/designing the new kits has done a sterling job.

The Tomb King croc dragon is also a jaw dropper! Along with the Bret foot knights I'm ever hopeful that there are going to be some beautifuly updated kits to be released going forwards. *fingers and toes crossed for more Wolf borne goblins*

From the 40K stuff the Tauros looks really cool, though if I'm being honest I'm looking forward to see what Genestealer and Ork players do with it!

painting_jon wrote:
I'm really hyped for the FEC release. The Dawnbringers book part makes me a bit concerned though. It seems like it will be 2 different boxes released - Dawnbringers Box and Army Box. Based on the videos and pictures shown it's not clear what will be in the Dawnbringer box set. I hope it's not a bunch of old sculpts. Would really prefer to get only the new sculpts if possible.

The Dawnbringer book is centralized around Ushoran as lore. The army set is its own thing.

FEC already got their Dawnbringer box, back with the "Harbingers" book.

The Kill Team announcement seems a bit weird. Is there no big new box set? Is there only 1 new team coming? Will it be a single standalone team box release? The Night Lords seem fun, personally not a big fan of the faction. Will probably pick up a box or two just for the fancy sculpts. Hopefully this means there will be more upgrades for other traitor legions.

I wouldn't be shocked if there might have been intended to be a 2P box...but given how WarCry did a box(Hunter and Hunted) plus two stand-alone warbands(Flameseekers and Kruleboyz) at the same time?

It might be that the Night Lords and someone else are coming as the 'standalones'.


Personal thoughts on the review show:
Just the Assault Marines was underwhelming for Horus Heresy. That should have been a Thursday thing, with today being a reveal of the "Mystery Army".

Not a bad reveal

Orikan - looks ok.
Asmodai - Looks ok I guess
Deathwing - well yet anoother group of slightly different terminators to add to the mass - models are nice enough...and I guess it givess DA players a reason to buy them again...

Flesh Eaters - Now here are some great characterful NEW models - great stuff all round.

Underworlds - they are all a bit LOR gobbos for me - but nice models

HH Assault Marines - so they go in 40k and then get a new version in 30k - Ok....so yeah.....

Tauos looks great - shudder to think of the price!

Night Lords - never liked their look but again servicable models

Tomb King on Necrolith Dragon - nice to see a new model - again shudder to think of price and likelhood of damage but looks pretty good.

 Kanluwen wrote:
The Dawnbringer book is centralized around Ushoran as lore. The army set is its own thing.

FEC already got their Dawnbringer box, back with the "Harbingers" book.

Oh yeah, I completely missed that one. That's great news! Thanks for the clarification!

 Kanluwen wrote:
I wouldn't be shocked if there might have been intended to be a 2P box...but given how WarCry did a box(Hunter and Hunted) plus two stand-alone warbands(Flameseekers and Kruleboyz) at the same time?

It might be that the Night Lords and someone else are coming as the 'standalones'.

Yeah it does seem like a major shift in the strategy of how GW will sell new skirmish games. I kind of miss the clarity of "this is X season; there will be Y many releases over the next year; the next release is titled Z".

Maybe they felt it necessary to announce at least one new thing for Kill Team, since scouts were announced back during Space Marine range reveal.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Personal thoughts on the review show:
Just the Assault Marines was underwhelming for Horus Heresy. That should have been a Thursday thing, with today being a reveal of the "Mystery Army".

Horus Heresy felt very much like an afterthought. Perhaps they thought anything else would overshadow the LI release that would happen the following day. Maybe it would confuse customers on which Horus Heresy they have to buy this weekend?

 Snrub wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
10 is double the usual jump pack infantry box for gw...

Yeah but this is Heresy, where units are 2 or 3 times the size of their 40k counterparts. 10 is generally a minimum. Assault squads should be in a box of 20.

I'd be surprised if this box is less then $100AUD.

Gw makes jump pack in half boxes vs infantry.

You want 20 jump pack, tacticals would need to be sold in 40. Not 20.

In 40k tacticals are sold in 10's. 10/2=5. Hh sold in 20's. 20/2=??

Simple math problem to be solved

Hh is bigger squads which is why both tacticals and jump packs are sold in double sized box vs 40k.

tneva82 wrote:
Gw makes jump pack in half boxes vs infantry.

You want 20 jump pack, tacticals would need to be sold in 40. Not 20.

That doesn't track in the slightest.

Thinkin about what interesting Deathwatch conversions i can do with these, been holding off buying the new terminators to see what else is coming before i decide how i want to put together my new kill team.

 Matrindur wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Gw makes jump pack in half boxes vs infantry.

You want 20 jump pack, tacticals would need to be sold in 40. Not 20.

That doesn't track in the slightest.

Even back to 2nd and 3rd edition 40k, Tactical marine squads were a box of 10, and an Assault squad was a box of 5. Gw seems to think that a jump pack alone is equivalent to a whole other model.

painting_jon wrote:
I'm really hyped for the FEC release. The Dawnbringers book part makes me a bit concerned though. It seems like it will be 2 different boxes released - Dawnbringers Box and Army Box. Based on the videos and pictures shown it's not clear what will be in the Dawnbringer box set. I hope it's not a bunch of old sculpts. Would really prefer to get only the new sculpts if possible.

The Kill Team announcement seems a bit weird. Is there no big new box set? Is there only 1 new team coming? Will it be a single standalone team box release? The Night Lords seem fun, personally not a big fan of the faction. Will probably pick up a box or two just for the fancy sculpts. Hopefully this means there will be more upgrades for other traitor legions.

Rumours that called the Night Lords for KT had them against Mandrakes. It’s not the first time they’ve only shown 1 team from a box first, and the other later (although generally they did mention the box and that they’d show the other side at some point). Just dragging out the reveal I think.

While not the first time, it's definitely in a very small company for them to have shown the entirety of the KT/warband and done this.

We had instances like the CAT for the Naval Breachers where they'd show off a single model from the KT/warband, but I can only think of Hunter and Hunted for this "show half of a KT/warband and not even mention where they're coming".

But they have done it before, and the rumour called Night Lords which were a pretty random guess if that’s what it was. I don’t see any reason to doubt the rest of the rumour when it’s half confirmed.

 ImAGeek wrote:
But they have done it before,

For the entire warband? It's been once, as far as I know. And that was the Wildercorps, who were previewed as an Age of Sigmar set with mention of WarCry rules in the article they were introduced in.

Reminder: people insisted that the Kruleboyz and Flameseekers were going to be a boxed set too. Preorder preview shows up, and all of a sudden they got real quiet.

and the rumour called Night Lords which were a pretty random guess if that’s what it was.

It's also super broad. None of the rumors I saw called Night Lords out as an upgrade sprue.

There's been a bit of speculation about stuff for Night Lords for awhile. People actually called out the skin-cloak, specifically, for them.

I don’t see any reason to doubt the rest of the rumour when it’s half confirmed.

The only "doubt" I have is that it's a bigger boxed set. It's not unheard of for them to drop a standalone quickly, seeing as how the Heart of Ghur was followed not long after by the Chaos Legionnaires.

Valrak called the Night Lords out as an upgrade sprue. And also the scouts were revealed as part of the Space Marine update, ahead of their inclusion in a Killteam box. So the precedent isn’t Wildercorps alone.

This is likely just because GW realised that they can double up on KT reveals on preview streams by splitting the teams. They really only have 8 teams to show off per year so revealing both sides at once would result in a lot of waiting in between previews.

Also considering the last KT box isn't out yet, it doesn't make sense to reveal the next one fully for a bit longer. Assuming Scouts vs Scorpions gets released before the holidays then I would expect Mandrakes to be used as an xmas/new year reveal then released around Feb.

Dread Master wrote:
Valrak called the Night Lords out as an upgrade sprue.

And kept talking about Raptors...so feels like a decent bet that he didn't know it was Legionnaires. Worth mentioning as well that the date of that video was October 30th, and there were rumors of a Night Lords KT long before he ever started talking about one.

And also the scouts were revealed as part of the Space Marine update, ahead of their inclusion in a Killteam box. So the precedent isn’t Wildercorps alone.

So two examples, both of which were revealed more as part of the army books they were coming in?
Wildercorps were revealed on July 24th, Hunter and Hunted was revealed on August 31st.
Scouts were revealed on August 31st at Nova, Salvation was revealed on October 14th.




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 xttz wrote:
This is likely just because GW realised that they can double up on KT reveals on preview streams by splitting the teams. They really only have 8 teams to show off per year so revealing both sides at once would result in a lot of waiting in between previews.

Also considering the last KT box isn't out yet, it doesn't make sense to reveal the next one fully for a bit longer. Assuming Scouts vs Scorpions gets released before the holidays then I would expect Mandrakes to be used as an xmas/new year reveal then released around Feb.

Salvation's in the Christmas Gift Guide. Unless something's gone horribly awry, we should see it listed before the 16th at least.

I dunno, I'm just having a hard time thinking they'd have two boxes ready to go so quick but couldn't even muster a WarCry preview for this one when they've got a roadmap that noted 4 more warbands coming for that....and we don't even have the season "starter" out for KT.
It's not really wild to think that they have two non-boxed set KTs to come.