They could always do like they did with the Wolf Guard Terminators.
5x Terminators with 2 Special Weapons [Heavy and Plasma Cannon] and buckets of Upgrade Bits including a Power Maul.
This way if you wanted Assualt Cannon or Cyclone Terminators, you would have to also pick up a Standard Terminator Boxed kit.
What I am hoping for with the DW kit is a Combi-Plasma and Power Lance/Spear.
Abadabadoobaddon wrote: Of course we all know they won't do this because cultists are puny humans unworthy of a multipart plastic kit while DW are mighty space marine terminators that need their own dedicated multipart plastic kit because they can't possibly be represented by any of the 4 other multipart plastic space marine terminator box sets currently on the market.
Pretty sure none of those 4 kits actually has all of the options a DW can even currently take. Not to mention that DW did actually have it's own kit before anyway. Not that it had much for options either oddly.
Kanluwen wrote: The only thing "new" about those characters is Belial getting an official model and Asmodai+Naaman getting updated models and returning to the Codex.
Color me slightly disappointed.
Well Chaos got a total of ZERO new special characters. And they didn't even get Doomrider back!
Anpu42 wrote: They could always do like they did with the Wolf Guard Terminators.
5x Terminators with 2 Special Weapons [Heavy and Plasma Cannon] and buckets of Upgrade Bits including a Power Maul.
This way if you wanted Assualt Cannon or Cyclone Terminators, you would have to also pick up a Standard Terminator Boxed kit.
What I am hoping for with the DW kit is a Combi-Plasma and Power Lance/Spear.
I agree. A cross between the Wolf Guard and GK Terminator boxes- parts for 5 terminators, head options for say 5 normal, 5 elite, and maybe 3-4 bare/robed heads and an apothecary head. Like the Space Wolves have the pelt they can put on, I'd expect a torso plate and some robe bits that could be added to make a sergeant. I'd also expect a narthecum arm, and an arm with at least one banner. Also like the Space wolves, a sergeant arm with various CCW options- sword, maul, axe, relic blade.
Heavy Weapons, I agree- likely a plasma cannon and potentially one more. I would not expect an Assault cannon in the box, as it is in the DA upgrade kit currently available, and I would not expect a cyclone launcher, as that is a major selling point for generic Tac terminators.
I also expect a set of thunder hammers and storm shields, but only say 3-4 of each.
If the rumors of special bolters are true, I expect options for those as well as normal storm bolters. Maybe a plasma blaster part as well for a sergeant.
Then the usual mix of icons, purity seals, and for the Deathwing, feathers.
Skipphag da Devoura wrote: The Ravenwing box-set already has an "up-grade-pack" for DW termies... I don't hold out much hope for new termie boxes for DA...
Actually, I think it's pretty solid odds we will get a new Deathwing box.
When the current codex dropped and people saw they could take things like a Terminator Apothecary & DW Standard Bearer, the delight soon turned to rage because there were no actual bitz to build those options!!!
Most people don't want to be forced to go scrounging through their own (sometimes very limited) bitz boxes/e-bay/bitz stores just to find basic squad options. And almost no one will want to shell-out major bucks for additional kits to get the same thing! (ie: who wants to buy a GK Termie box just for the Apothecary bitz?!!)
If Deathwing get options like full command options, plasma cannons, other new/old returning weapon options, you can bet your @$$ GW will release a DW specific box with all those new options so they can cash in on everyone updating their existing collection, alongside the new rush of bandwagoners who have to get the latest & greatest toys.
neko on Warseer wrote:
So, I've seen a fighter that looks like a marine version of a Thunderbolt/Avenger crossover, and some quad engine land speeders with dorsal mounted plasma weapons and a gunners pulpit on the nose.
Well, the 2 planes I saw were:
Chin mounted gatling cannon (something like an Avenger cannon), with wing mounted missiles (pod mounted, in the same style as the Storm Raven).
Chin mounted wide-bore cannon the types of which I haven't seen before (but which looks like it'll be firing a high energy discharge), with wing mounted loads'o'bolters (hurricane bolter basically).
Darkshroud Land Speeder variant which has an ancient statue from the Fortress-Monastery. Using channeled warp energy, it creates and impenetrable field of darkness beneath and behind itself.
Dark Talon Flyer of unknown size which operates in squadrons, armed with hurricane bolters, maybe more.
Nephilim Strike Fighter Variant on the Avenger, has wingtip-mounted Blacksword Missiles and an Avenger weapon system.
Black Knights The Ravenwing elite, they have plasma weapons on all their bikes, and instead carry raven head-shaped thunderhammers into battle, with the Hunt Master having a corvus hammer.
Darkshroud Land Speeder variant which has an ancient statue from the Fortress-Monastery. Using channeled warp energy, it creates and impenetrable field of darkness beneath and behind itself.
Dark Talon Flyer of unknown size which operates in squadrons, armed with hurricane bolters, maybe more.
Nephilim Strike Fighter Variant on the Avenger, has wingtip-mounted Blacksword Missiles and an Avenger weapon system.
Black Knights The Ravenwing elite, they have plasma weapons on all their bikes, and instead carry raven head-shaped thunderhammers into battle, with the Hunt Master having a corvus hammer.
Darkshroud Land Speeder variant which has an ancient statue from the Fortress-Monastery. Using channeled warp energy, it creates and impenetrable field of darkness beneath and behind itself.
Dark Talon Flyer of unknown size which operates in squadrons, armed with hurricane bolters, maybe more.
Nephilim Strike Fighter Variant on the Avenger, has wingtip-mounted Blacksword Missiles and an Avenger weapon system.
Black Knights The Ravenwing elite, they have plasma weapons on all their bikes, and instead carry raven head-shaped thunderhammers into battle, with the Hunt Master having a corvus hammer.
pretre wrote: Yeah, we're talking about the new issue, not the Hobbit issue.
You mean the issue that isn't out until Jan 5th? Bit early to be talking about it, don't you think?
Except, and hold on because this is good, we are in the News and Rumors forum. So the original question was whether someone had the WD, that is not yet out, so we could get some leaked information. It is a bit early, but certainly not impossible for someone to have it already.
To answer your question... No, I do not think it it too early to be talking about an upcoming release in the News and Rumors forum.
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Compel wrote: If it's an avenger variant, I'm guessing that's forgeworld only and won't be in the codex?
Probably. Also, just because something is in a BL novel doesn't mean it will be produced by FW or GW.
Interesting page..looks like they're getting ready to launch soon.
Nice find.
So if we could spot a few hints in a novel, would "black knights" as RW get a counter of "white knights" in form of the DW? Flyers or skimmers i'd need to see first, GW hasn't had a good design with those SM-kits lately.
I have a bad feeling that Mat Ward wrote the Codex and we will see Captain Darko wielding a Dark Blade after shooting with his Dark Pistol of Doom, protected by the Scoll of Darkness
I have a bad feeling that Mat Ward wrote the Codex and we will see Captain Darko wielding a Dark Blade after shooting with his Dark Pistol of Doom, protected by the Scoll of Darkness
you are mistaken. he will be wielding dark pistol of darkness and wearing the armor of darkness as well as the scroll of darkness
I have a bad feeling that Mat Ward wrote the Codex and we will see Captain Darko wielding a Dark Blade after shooting with his Dark Pistol of Doom, protected by the Scoll of Darkness
wearing a relic from the Dark Age of Technology, Dark Armor
I have a bad feeling that Mat Ward wrote the Codex and we will see Captain Darko wielding a Dark Blade after shooting with his Dark Pistol of Doom, protected by the Scoll of Darkness
Pretty sure you are mixing Ward up with Kelly, since he started that trend with SW.
pretre wrote: Pretty sure you are mixing Ward up with Kelly, since he started that trend with SW.
Except he didn't. Other than the egregious Wolf Wolfborn, the Space Puppies have always had “Wolf” as their thing, long before Kelly got involved.
The one word to describe everything problem started with the Blood Angel Codex.
yup, 3rd ed SW 'dex was just as 'bad' in that regard but really, it fits the puppies alright. They always were a bit of a one-dimensional thing like that - and they pulled it off well. GK are just painful every time you have to write out an army list.
Looking forward to this if it's Ward. The DarkRavenLions, an elite branch of the Ravenwing who ride cyber-lions... that also have wheels! All the advantages of both Cavalry and Bikes combined.
The DarkLionWing, an even more elite branch of the DarkRavenLions, whose cyber-lion-bikes are cyber-lion-jetbikes! Because the only thing cooler than a Space Marine on a lion-crossed-with-a-motorbike, is a Space Marine on a lion-crossed-with-a-motorbike THAT FLIES.
The Grey Knights got a Dreadknight, which is a bit like a Terminator riding a giant Terminator. I WANT TO GO ONE BETTER. Give the Dark Angels a DarkKnight, which is like a Dreadknight but for us, but also give us an DarkKnightKnight, which is a Terminator riding a giant Terminator riding an EVEN MORE giant Terminator.
Our last edition allowed a Company Master to carry a vast quantity of wargear -- for example, you could give him a pair of Lightning Claws AND a combi-melta AND a plasma pistol. If a mere Company Master can have all that, give Belial and Sammael MORE STILL! Belial: twin Thunder Hammers, a Multi-Melta built into his left eye, at least five kinds of grenade. And a jetpack. Sammael gets his Land Speeder, but a bit beefed up (14/14/12, maybe), and if the enemy destroys his Land Speeder, he RIDES OUT from the flaming wreckage, on his jetbike. Which by this point is also a lion. On fire.
Ian Sturrock wrote: Looking forward to this if it's Ward. The DarkRavenLions, an elite branch of the Ravenwing who ride cyber-lions... that also have wheels! All the advantages of both Cavalry and Bikes combined.
The DarkLionWing, an even more elite branch of the DarkRavenLions, whose cyber-lion-bikes are cyber-lion-jetbikes! Because the only thing cooler than a Space Marine on a lion-crossed-with-a-motorbike, is a Space Marine on a lion-crossed-with-a-motorbike THAT FLIES.
The Grey Knights got a Dreadknight, which is a bit like a Terminator riding a giant Terminator. I WANT TO GO ONE BETTER. Give the Dark Angels a DarkKnight, which is like a Dreadknight but for us, but also give us an DarkKnightKnight, which is a Terminator riding a giant Terminator riding an EVEN MORE giant Terminator.
Our last edition allowed a Company Master to carry a vast quantity of wargear -- for example, you could give him a pair of Lightning Claws AND a combi-melta AND a plasma pistol. If a mere Company Master can have all that, give Belial and Sammael MORE STILL! Belial: twin Thunder Hammers, a Multi-Melta built into his left eye, at least five kinds of grenade. And a jetpack. Sammael gets his Land Speeder, but a bit beefed up (14/14/12, maybe), and if the enemy destroys his Land Speeder, he RIDES OUT from the flaming wreckage, on his jetbike. Which by this point is also a lion. On fire.
The page that was linked to, on GW's website... did anyone else get an empty icon in the usual list of four shinies that you must have for(ced down your throat) that army?
Methinks January looks good! I'd even be willing to place a bet on it, and I'm quite skittish normally.
I do hope we get a flyer that is storm talon sized... so I can use mine as a count as. I have no idea where it'd fit points-wise, but that is for another thread.
At any rate, I am eagerly awaiting any further news about the Codex. I'm really hoping the rumors of a new plasma-based Predator are true, as I'd love to run one with a Vindicator (or two! ).
Interesting page..looks like they're getting ready to launch soon.
I wish this was new, but it isn't. At least 6 months, maybe as much as a year ago, somebody else linked this same page. GW has placeholder pages like this for a few other things as well, I cannot remember what the others were for, but I will try to find that old thread linking to them.
That said, fingers crossed that we get a new dex in January. I really hope they get it out in time that I have a chance to learn the new book decently before having to play in a few events at Adepticon.
Ian Sturrock wrote: Looking forward to this if it's Ward. The DarkRavenLions, an elite branch of the Ravenwing who ride cyber-lions... that also have wheels! All the advantages of both Cavalry and Bikes combined.
The DarkLionWing, an even more elite branch of the DarkRavenLions, whose cyber-lion-bikes are cyber-lion-jetbikes! Because the only thing cooler than a Space Marine on a lion-crossed-with-a-motorbike, is a Space Marine on a lion-crossed-with-a-motorbike THAT FLIES.
The Grey Knights got a Dreadknight, which is a bit like a Terminator riding a giant Terminator. I WANT TO GO ONE BETTER. Give the Dark Angels a DarkKnight, which is like a Dreadknight but for us, but also give us an DarkKnightKnight, which is a Terminator riding a giant Terminator riding an EVEN MORE giant Terminator.
Our last edition allowed a Company Master to carry a vast quantity of wargear -- for example, you could give him a pair of Lightning Claws AND a combi-melta AND a plasma pistol. If a mere Company Master can have all that, give Belial and Sammael MORE STILL! Belial: twin Thunder Hammers, a Multi-Melta built into his left eye, at least five kinds of grenade. And a jetpack. Sammael gets his Land Speeder, but a bit beefed up (14/14/12, maybe), and if the enemy destroys his Land Speeder, he RIDES OUT from the flaming wreckage, on his jetbike. Which by this point is also a lion. On fire.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: You'd think someone would clean up the pages and site map, from time to time, eh?
CRAZY TALK!
The amusing part is that the number is basically sequential with some bit of time or batch reference. So you know that all the 440XXX numbers were done at the same time. I.e. The BT, WH, etc so on were all done when they revamped the webstore last. Armies with newer releases (SoB, Necrons, etc) have higher numbers.
Automatically Appended Next Post: They have gotten better though. I used to be able to find unpublished content that had been uploaded but not linked to the main site. Now that was funny.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: The page that was linked to, on GW's website... did anyone else get an empty icon in the usual list of four shinies that you must have for(ced down your throat) that army?
Methinks January looks good! I'd even be willing to place a bet on it, and I'm quite skittish normally.
I do hope we get a flyer that is storm talon sized... so I can use mine as a count as. I have no idea where it'd fit points-wise, but that is for another thread.
I'm thinking the DA flier will be larger, in between the Talon and Raven, sitting at the $66 price point of the Heldrake rather than the lower price point of the Small fliers or the high point of the Raven.
As for the page linked, when I go it has 2 blank spots, and 2 filled with the SM Landspeeder and the DA company Veterans squad.
Ian Sturrock wrote: Looking forward to this if it's Ward. The DarkRavenLions, an elite branch of the Ravenwing who ride cyber-lions... that also have wheels! All the advantages of both Cavalry and Bikes combined.
The DarkLionWing, an even more elite branch of the DarkRavenLions, whose cyber-lion-bikes are cyber-lion-jetbikes! Because the only thing cooler than a Space Marine on a lion-crossed-with-a-motorbike, is a Space Marine on a lion-crossed-with-a-motorbike THAT FLIES.
The Grey Knights got a Dreadknight, which is a bit like a Terminator riding a giant Terminator. I WANT TO GO ONE BETTER. Give the Dark Angels a DarkKnight, which is like a Dreadknight but for us, but also give us an DarkKnightKnight, which is a Terminator riding a giant Terminator riding an EVEN MORE giant Terminator.
Our last edition allowed a Company Master to carry a vast quantity of wargear -- for example, you could give him a pair of Lightning Claws AND a combi-melta AND a plasma pistol. If a mere Company Master can have all that, give Belial and Sammael MORE STILL! Belial: twin Thunder Hammers, a Multi-Melta built into his left eye, at least five kinds of grenade. And a jetpack. Sammael gets his Land Speeder, but a bit beefed up (14/14/12, maybe), and if the enemy destroys his Land Speeder, he RIDES OUT from the flaming wreckage, on his jetbike. Which by this point is also a lion. On fire.
Hahaha I love it.
But seriously i really do hope they beef up Sammaels speeder to something like 14/14/12 and 3hp because at the moment 14/14/14 2hp just isnt worth putting a 205pt HQ into. Its not even like he's got a lot of firepower, just and fragile!
Ian Sturrock wrote: Looking forward to this if it's Ward. The DarkRavenLions, an elite branch of the Ravenwing who ride cyber-lions... that also have wheels! All the advantages of both Cavalry and Bikes combined.
The DarkLionWing, an even more elite branch of the DarkRavenLions, whose cyber-lion-bikes are cyber-lion-jetbikes! Because the only thing cooler than a Space Marine on a lion-crossed-with-a-motorbike, is a Space Marine on a lion-crossed-with-a-motorbike THAT FLIES.
The Grey Knights got a Dreadknight, which is a bit like a Terminator riding a giant Terminator. I WANT TO GO ONE BETTER. Give the Dark Angels a DarkKnight, which is like a Dreadknight but for us, but also give us an DarkKnightKnight, which is a Terminator riding a giant Terminator riding an EVEN MORE giant Terminator.
Our last edition allowed a Company Master to carry a vast quantity of wargear -- for example, you could give him a pair of Lightning Claws AND a combi-melta AND a plasma pistol. If a mere Company Master can have all that, give Belial and Sammael MORE STILL! Belial: twin Thunder Hammers, a Multi-Melta built into his left eye, at least five kinds of grenade. And a jetpack. Sammael gets his Land Speeder, but a bit beefed up (14/14/12, maybe), and if the enemy destroys his Land Speeder, he RIDES OUT from the flaming wreckage, on his jetbike. Which by this point is also a lion. On fire.
Hahaha I love it.
But seriously i really do hope they beef up Sammaels speeder to something like 14/14/12 and 3hp because at the moment 14/14/14 2hp just isnt worth putting a 205pt HQ into. Its not even like he's got a lot of firepower, just and fragile!
Ian Sturrock wrote: Looking forward to this if it's Ward. The DarkRavenLions, an elite branch of the Ravenwing who ride cyber-lions... that also have wheels! All the advantages of both Cavalry and Bikes combined.
The DarkLionWing, an even more elite branch of the DarkRavenLions, whose cyber-lion-bikes are cyber-lion-jetbikes! Because the only thing cooler than a Space Marine on a lion-crossed-with-a-motorbike, is a Space Marine on a lion-crossed-with-a-motorbike THAT FLIES.
The Grey Knights got a Dreadknight, which is a bit like a Terminator riding a giant Terminator. I WANT TO GO ONE BETTER. Give the Dark Angels a DarkKnight, which is like a Dreadknight but for us, but also give us an DarkKnightKnight, which is a Terminator riding a giant Terminator riding an EVEN MORE giant Terminator.
Our last edition allowed a Company Master to carry a vast quantity of wargear -- for example, you could give him a pair of Lightning Claws AND a combi-melta AND a plasma pistol. If a mere Company Master can have all that, give Belial and Sammael MORE STILL! Belial: twin Thunder Hammers, a Multi-Melta built into his left eye, at least five kinds of grenade. And a jetpack. Sammael gets his Land Speeder, but a bit beefed up (14/14/12, maybe), and if the enemy destroys his Land Speeder, he RIDES OUT from the flaming wreckage, on his jetbike. Which by this point is also a lion. On fire.
Hahaha I love it.
But seriously i really do hope they beef up Sammaels speeder to something like 14/14/12 and 3hp because at the moment 14/14/14 2hp just isnt worth putting a 205pt HQ into. Its not even like he's got a lot of firepower, just and fragile!
AV14 vehicles are fragile? Wut?
They are when you have 2HP, open topped and things like Gauss and Haywire knocking around. Also seeing as the assualt cannon range is only 24" its puts you right in range of multi meltas and the like. Plus rear armour 10 means a bolter can open you up on the rear with 2 glances...
Mathieu Raymond wrote: The page that was linked to, on GW's website... did anyone else get an empty icon in the usual list of four shinies that you must have for(ced down your throat) that army?
Methinks January looks good! I'd even be willing to place a bet on it, and I'm quite skittish normally.
I do hope we get a flyer that is storm talon sized... so I can use mine as a count as. I have no idea where it'd fit points-wise, but that is for another thread.
I'm thinking the DA flier will be larger, in between the Talon and Raven, sitting at the $66 price point of the Heldrake rather than the lower price point of the Small fliers or the high point of the Raven.
As for the page linked, when I go it has 2 blank spots, and 2 filled with the SM Landspeeder and the DA company Veterans squad.
Well, they really have no scale for the price they charge for fliers though. The Necron Doom/Night Scythe has the same number/size sprues as the Heldrake. Yet the two are widely priced, even though you get the same amount of plastic in both boxes, which are also the same size. -ing GW and their pricing schemes....
Ian Sturrock wrote: Looking forward to this if it's Ward. The DarkRavenLions, an elite branch of the Ravenwing who ride cyber-lions... that also have wheels! All the advantages of both Cavalry and Bikes combined.
The DarkLionWing, an even more elite branch of the DarkRavenLions, whose cyber-lion-bikes are cyber-lion-jetbikes! Because the only thing cooler than a Space Marine on a lion-crossed-with-a-motorbike, is a Space Marine on a lion-crossed-with-a-motorbike THAT FLIES.
The Grey Knights got a Dreadknight, which is a bit like a Terminator riding a giant Terminator. I WANT TO GO ONE BETTER. Give the Dark Angels a DarkKnight, which is like a Dreadknight but for us, but also give us an DarkKnightKnight, which is a Terminator riding a giant Terminator riding an EVEN MORE giant Terminator.
Our last edition allowed a Company Master to carry a vast quantity of wargear -- for example, you could give him a pair of Lightning Claws AND a combi-melta AND a plasma pistol. If a mere Company Master can have all that, give Belial and Sammael MORE STILL! Belial: twin Thunder Hammers, a Multi-Melta built into his left eye, at least five kinds of grenade. And a jetpack. Sammael gets his Land Speeder, but a bit beefed up (14/14/12, maybe), and if the enemy destroys his Land Speeder, he RIDES OUT from the flaming wreckage, on his jetbike. Which by this point is also a lion. On fire.
Hahaha I love it.
But seriously i really do hope they beef up Sammaels speeder to something like 14/14/12 and 3hp because at the moment 14/14/14 2hp just isnt worth putting a 205pt HQ into. Its not even like he's got a lot of firepower, just and fragile!
AV14 vehicles are fragile? Wut?
They are when you have 2HP, open topped and things like Gauss and Haywire knocking around. Also seeing as the assualt cannon range is only 24" its puts you right in range of multi meltas and the like. Plus rear armour 10 means a bolter can open you up on the rear with 2 glances...
Tell me that isnt fragile.
That isn't fragile. If you get within range of a unit with Gauss Blasters or Haywire Grenades you deserve to lose your skimmer. You are so much faster that it's almost silly.
Ian Sturrock wrote: Looking forward to this if it's Ward. The DarkRavenLions, an elite branch of the Ravenwing who ride cyber-lions... that also have wheels! All the advantages of both Cavalry and Bikes combined.
The DarkLionWing, an even more elite branch of the DarkRavenLions, whose cyber-lion-bikes are cyber-lion-jetbikes! Because the only thing cooler than a Space Marine on a lion-crossed-with-a-motorbike, is a Space Marine on a lion-crossed-with-a-motorbike THAT FLIES.
The Grey Knights got a Dreadknight, which is a bit like a Terminator riding a giant Terminator. I WANT TO GO ONE BETTER. Give the Dark Angels a DarkKnight, which is like a Dreadknight but for us, but also give us an DarkKnightKnight, which is a Terminator riding a giant Terminator riding an EVEN MORE giant Terminator.
Our last edition allowed a Company Master to carry a vast quantity of wargear -- for example, you could give him a pair of Lightning Claws AND a combi-melta AND a plasma pistol. If a mere Company Master can have all that, give Belial and Sammael MORE STILL! Belial: twin Thunder Hammers, a Multi-Melta built into his left eye, at least five kinds of grenade. And a jetpack. Sammael gets his Land Speeder, but a bit beefed up (14/14/12, maybe), and if the enemy destroys his Land Speeder, he RIDES OUT from the flaming wreckage, on his jetbike. Which by this point is also a lion. On fire.
Hahaha I love it.
But seriously i really do hope they beef up Sammaels speeder to something like 14/14/12 and 3hp because at the moment 14/14/14 2hp just isnt worth putting a 205pt HQ into. Its not even like he's got a lot of firepower, just and fragile!
AV14 vehicles are fragile? Wut?
They are when you have 2HP, open topped and things like Gauss and Haywire knocking around. Also seeing as the assualt cannon range is only 24" its puts you right in range of multi meltas and the like. Plus rear armour 10 means a bolter can open you up on the rear with 2 glances...
Tell me that isnt fragile.
That isn't fragile. If you get within range of a unit with Gauss Blasters or Haywire Grenades you deserve to lose your skimmer. You are so much faster that it's almost silly.
With my Long Fang Missle SPAM it only take 2 missiles to Glance it to Death
Ian Sturrock wrote: Looking forward to this if it's Ward. The DarkRavenLions, an elite branch of the Ravenwing who ride cyber-lions... that also have wheels! All the advantages of both Cavalry and Bikes combined.
The DarkLionWing, an even more elite branch of the DarkRavenLions, whose cyber-lion-bikes are cyber-lion-jetbikes! Because the only thing cooler than a Space Marine on a lion-crossed-with-a-motorbike, is a Space Marine on a lion-crossed-with-a-motorbike THAT FLIES.
The Grey Knights got a Dreadknight, which is a bit like a Terminator riding a giant Terminator. I WANT TO GO ONE BETTER. Give the Dark Angels a DarkKnight, which is like a Dreadknight but for us, but also give us an DarkKnightKnight, which is a Terminator riding a giant Terminator riding an EVEN MORE giant Terminator.
Our last edition allowed a Company Master to carry a vast quantity of wargear -- for example, you could give him a pair of Lightning Claws AND a combi-melta AND a plasma pistol. If a mere Company Master can have all that, give Belial and Sammael MORE STILL! Belial: twin Thunder Hammers, a Multi-Melta built into his left eye, at least five kinds of grenade. And a jetpack. Sammael gets his Land Speeder, but a bit beefed up (14/14/12, maybe), and if the enemy destroys his Land Speeder, he RIDES OUT from the flaming wreckage, on his jetbike. Which by this point is also a lion. On fire.
Hahaha I love it.
But seriously i really do hope they beef up Sammaels speeder to something like 14/14/12 and 3hp because at the moment 14/14/14 2hp just isnt worth putting a 205pt HQ into. Its not even like he's got a lot of firepower, just and fragile!
AV14 vehicles are fragile? Wut?
They are when you have 2HP, open topped and things like Gauss and Haywire knocking around. Also seeing as the assualt cannon range is only 24" its puts you right in range of multi meltas and the like. Plus rear armour 10 means a bolter can open you up on the rear with 2 glances...
Tell me that isnt fragile.
That isn't fragile. If you get within range of a unit with Gauss Blasters or Haywire Grenades you deserve to lose your skimmer. You are so much faster that it's almost silly.
Ok.... but when you have to get close enough to their guns to use your guns, its kinda fragile....
Ian Sturrock wrote: Looking forward to this if it's Ward. The DarkRavenLions, an elite branch of the Ravenwing who ride cyber-lions... that also have wheels! All the advantages of both Cavalry and Bikes combined.
The DarkLionWing, an even more elite branch of the DarkRavenLions, whose cyber-lion-bikes are cyber-lion-jetbikes! Because the only thing cooler than a Space Marine on a lion-crossed-with-a-motorbike, is a Space Marine on a lion-crossed-with-a-motorbike THAT FLIES.
The Grey Knights got a Dreadknight, which is a bit like a Terminator riding a giant Terminator. I WANT TO GO ONE BETTER. Give the Dark Angels a DarkKnight, which is like a Dreadknight but for us, but also give us an DarkKnightKnight, which is a Terminator riding a giant Terminator riding an EVEN MORE giant Terminator.
Our last edition allowed a Company Master to carry a vast quantity of wargear -- for example, you could give him a pair of Lightning Claws AND a combi-melta AND a plasma pistol. If a mere Company Master can have all that, give Belial and Sammael MORE STILL! Belial: twin Thunder Hammers, a Multi-Melta built into his left eye, at least five kinds of grenade. And a jetpack. Sammael gets his Land Speeder, but a bit beefed up (14/14/12, maybe), and if the enemy destroys his Land Speeder, he RIDES OUT from the flaming wreckage, on his jetbike. Which by this point is also a lion. On fire.
Hahaha I love it.
But seriously i really do hope they beef up Sammaels speeder to something like 14/14/12 and 3hp because at the moment 14/14/14 2hp just isnt worth putting a 205pt HQ into. Its not even like he's got a lot of firepower, just and fragile!
AV14 vehicles are fragile? Wut?
They are when you have 2HP, open topped and things like Gauss and Haywire knocking around. Also seeing as the assualt cannon range is only 24" its puts you right in range of multi meltas and the like. Plus rear armour 10 means a bolter can open you up on the rear with 2 glances...
Tell me that isnt fragile.
That isn't fragile. If you get within range of a unit with Gauss Blasters or Haywire Grenades you deserve to lose your skimmer. You are so much faster that it's almost silly.
Ok.... but when you have to get close enough to their guns to use your guns, its kinda fragile....
My point exactly.
kronk wrote:Less wish listing, more rumors.
And i think the rumour mill might be running a bit dry at this point.
On that topic is anyone else getting a little more anxious about this release, as its getting very close now and still we've heard nothing solid just mountains of rumours served with lots of salt that so far have been pretty hard to digest!
The DA codex will bound to have some kind of massacred Sisters of Battle in it, like in the Grey Knight codex 'Khornate Knights' or 5th edition rule-book if it is being written by Ward.
MetalOxide wrote: The DA codex will bound to have some kind of massacred Sisters of Battle in it, like in the Grey Knight codex 'Khornate Knights' or 5th edition rule-book if it is being written by Ward.
What's your beef? Kelly's Space Wolves slaughtered Sister's 2 years for the Grey Knight Codex. And at least Grey Knights had a reason of sorts .. ya know .. fighting Daemons.
Kelly had the Sisters butchered just for .. dunno .. cause he thinks it fits the queer pubescent-Marines-theme he forced on the Wolves I guess.
MetalOxide wrote: The DA codex will bound to have some kind of massacred Sisters of Battle in it, like in the Grey Knight codex 'Khornate Knights' or 5th edition rule-book if it is being written by Ward.
What's your beef? Kelly's Space Wolves slaughtered Sister's 2 years for the Grey Knight Codex. And at least Grey Knights had a reason of sorts .. ya know .. fighting Daemons.
Kelly had the Sisters butchered just for .. dunno .. cause he thinks it fits the queer pubescent-Marines-theme he forced on the Wolves I guess.
No beef, I just feel the fluff has gotten really silly recently. What I don't get with the Grey knights, is I thought they are supposed to be daemon-proof already, I mean they are Daemon-Hunters. After all, the codex is stating that their faith is strong enough to protect them from any kind of daemonic corruption. Also why do they take the Daemon sword for themselves? I thought they hate anything chaotic.
I bet the DA codex will have equally similar idiotic, fanboy-esque fluff. Maybe the Dark Angels and Dark Eldar become bros to defeat a tyranid hive-fleet and tie up Sisters of Battle to use as live bait. Also Azrael, Supreme Grand Master could strangle a Hierophant bio titan with his bare hands whilst kicking a Hive Tyrant to death and screaming "FOR DA EMPRAH!"
That's true, but there is only so far they can take it before it goes from silly, but cool to downright stupid.
The "dark secret" of the Dark Angels was that they were in the closet before they introduced the Horus Heresy and The Fallen. Everything can change whenever; all we can do is hope the new stuff is solid.
MetalOxide wrote: No beef, I just feel the fluff has gotten really silly recently. What I don't get with the Grey knights, is I thought they are supposed to be daemon-proof already, I mean they are Daemon-Hunters. After all, the codex is stating that their faith is strong enough to protect them from any kind of daemonic corruption. Also why do they take the Daemon sword for themselves? I thought they hate anything chaotic.
The problem didn't even stop there. The sisters are not nearly as resistant to demonic corruption. I mean, it doesn't happen often, but it does happen, ya know? So the GK show up and see a covent of Sisters who are totally unaffected by the swirling demonic presence around them. Wouldn't this indicate that the demonic presence wasn't really THAT BAD if the sisters were fine? All it did was either make the GK look more insane than a sack of weasels rolling in gunpowder or make Matt Ward look like he was writing with his pants off, again.
That said, fluff aside, you can at least expect the DA codex to be viable for a long time. Also, you can assume that there will be some seriously awkward passages in the fluff.
I'm not particularly pleased by how the Sisters have been treated in the fluff lately, either. No official codex support other than a White Dwarf which is no longer in print is bad enough, but they keep getting killed by Space Marines, and there's pretty much no consequence for it in every single case, it's just something that happens and gets shrugged off. There's the infamous example from the Grey Knights book where they nonsensically slaughter them and bathe in their blood despite already having all sorts of wards etched into their armor and bodies and hardcore mental training to resist corruption in the first place...in Blood Angels before that there's a case of the Flesh Tearers going berserk and slaughtering a bunch of Sisters in their rage, and I didn't even know about the one in the Space Wolves codex.
At this rate I'm morbidly curious how many Sisters the Dark Angels will wantonly murder in their new book, because statistics show that it will happen. I'm starting to wonder if it isn't like some kind of misogynistic joke in the design studio or something..."lol, oh those Sisters, always getting indiscriminately murdered by their armored male superiors in comical ways...woo..." I mean I'm not exactly a feminist or anything and even I'm bothered by it.
Brother SRM wrote:The "dark secret" of the Dark Angels was that they were in the closet before they introduced the Horus Heresy and The Fallen.
This reminds me of all the necron players whining that Ward had killed their army's background, when they hadn't much of one to begin with.
40k's fluff is over-the-top, mansauce sci-fi. It isn't always serious, but it is almost always grim. Sometimes people interpret things differently than most, and sometimes it is hard to change their mind.
In the new necron codex, there is a cameo appearance by a tomb world that appears quite similar to the old necrons. Players were too butt-hurt over the fact that they had more options to notice.
And the whole grey knight kornate knight thing?
People argue that grey knights are supposed to be incorruptible. But how are the supposed to be incorruptible? The book doesnt mention a lot on the subject. Safe to say they perform rituals, use holy talismans and relics, and sacred warding words. Killing the sisters could be anothet such ritual....
Of course nobody stops to think about these things.
And yeah, the Dark Angels were homosexual.
Google the poem "My Dark Angel" by Lion L. Johnson. (Think thats right)
Well I understand that the primarch's name was a reference, but I didn't realize that they were supposed to be closet homosexuals. Kinda sad that GW decided to retcon that, that could have been kinda cool.
Neronoxx wrote: This reminds me of all the necron players whining that Ward had killed their army's background, when they hadn't much of one to begin with.
40k's fluff is over-the-top, mansauce sci-fi. It isn't always serious, but it is almost always grim. Sometimes people interpret things differently than most, and sometimes it is hard to change their mind.
In the new necron codex, there is a cameo appearance by a tomb world that appears quite similar to the old necrons. Players were too butt-hurt over the fact that they had more options to notice.
And the whole grey knight kornate knight thing?
People argue that grey knights are supposed to be incorruptible. But how are the supposed to be incorruptible? The book doesnt mention a lot on the subject. Safe to say they perform rituals, use holy talismans and relics, and sacred warding words. Killing the sisters could be anothet such ritual....
Of course nobody stops to think about these things.
And yeah, the Dark Angels were homosexual.
Google the poem "My Dark Angel" by Lion L. Johnson. (Think thats right)
I mean, I think we all love to throw rocks at Matt Ward over the little things, but the truth is I don't think anyone that plays one of the armies he's had a hand in shaping can say they are worse off. However, GW does seem to really hate the Sisters and continually lets Matt Ward throw grenades in their crib.
I love sisters.....
If they got a plastic release, i'd buy an army instantly.
But they just aren't supported by gamesworkshop at all.
Back on topic, if the Dark Angel sternguard are these pistolero guys, that would be pretty sweet. Give them options for plasma, flamer and melta pistols.....
But what fluff reason would they have for using pistols?
I may have to paint up some Grey Knights covered in blood and one with a firey khorne daemon weapon now and pick up the Chaos Grey Knight codex. BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD EMPRAH!
Anyway, back on topic, has the release date been confirmed? Some people are saying December and others are saying Janruary.
December release isn't going to happen, releases are usually first saturday of the month I believe. Don't know when they'll release the DA wave (or even announce it for that matter) with the white dwarf being late this month
Ralis wrote: The rumors always said, that the DA codex would be announced in December, for a January release.
The rumors forgot to take Christmas into account...
The past few years, the January release has been pushed back a week due to the holidays. My money is on pre-orders going up on Jan 5th with the release following on Jan 12th. So, happy b-day indeed to me!
No beef, I just feel the fluff has gotten really silly recently. What I don't get with the Grey knights, is I thought they are supposed to be daemon-proof already, I mean they are Daemon-Hunters. After all, the codex is stating that their faith is strong enough to protect them from any kind of daemonic corruption. Also why do they take the Daemon sword for themselves? I thought they hate anything chaotic.
They used to, but now they use daemonic artifacts and xeno tech with more zest than any sorcerer or heretek. After all, according to the GK codex, the difference between regular psychic powers and sorcery is merely perception, which implies the Emperor was the biggest idiot in the universe.
I bet the DA codex will have equally similar idiotic, fanboy-esque fluff. Maybe the Dark Angels and Dark Eldar become bros to defeat a tyranid hive-fleet and tie up Sisters of Battle to use as live bait. Also Azrael, Supreme Grand Master could strangle a Hierophant bio titan with his bare hands whilst kicking a Hive Tyrant to death and screaming "FOR DA EMPRAH!"
WD is officially released 5th January, same day when preorders start for the major January release 12th January.
So expect the more informed leaks 2nd or 3rd January when people get their early WDs.
What are the chances of new chapters being added in with this next codex drop?
Im planning out what i want to do with my Dark vengeance set and dont want to start painting a chapter if new ones come out that i happen to find more visually appealing.
Kroothawk wrote: WD is officially released 5th January, same day when preorders start for the major January release 12th January.
So expect the more informed leaks 2nd or 3rd January when people get their early WDs.
Mail delivery can be delayed over the New Year's holiday so they may not get them early this particular month.
skoffs wrote: Is it my imagination, or does it seem like GW has managed to keep a better hold over their leaks, lately?
It isn't. The GW Stasi has been most effective at only letting the world know about their products like a week in advance. Such an idiotic and nonsensical policy, but at least they've finally been able to enforce it.
