Kroothawk wrote:

75hastings69 wrote:As for DA they'll be in the WD that gets released in December and will be on sale in Jan, as some have quite rightly already said.
(...)You can certainly expect a new speeder type

Faeit 212 Inbox wrote:I just read yesterdays rumor post about Deathwing, this is nothing like what I have been told by the Games Workshop source I know. This is what I was told.

*HQ models will be recast into finecast. Same models
*New Belial model robes, powersword, stormbolter, or plasma bolter combi
*New Chaplain
*Deathwing Box Set: Comes with 3 options; Normal DW Terminator Squad, Command/HQ Squad with Banner and Apothecary, and an Elite Squad with Plasma Cannon options
*Ravenwing Box Set: Bikes remodeled and look like the Ravenwing bikes from Dark Vengeance, but same build as normal bikes, also with added weapons for the new Ravenwing Elite unit.

Stickmonkey wrote: just heard a rumor that there is a AA option for DA dreads...one that will likely make it to all chapters eventually.

Codex release at the end of November White Dwarf (December issue) and a release in December

So PA command squad could get a single heavy weapon, apoth, standard, etc. A TA squad the same, but that the RW command squad was 3 bikes and a attack bike w hvy weapon, or 5 bikes, but not a LS. The history here does not point to GW breaking the concept that a RW full squad is still 10 man strong, 6 bikes, a AB, and a LS.

DA version of Vanguard?
Most like. But they have some form of hunters from hyperspace type rule in addition. And they might have some new DA special weapons...dark claws or dark swords, you know, to egg on the stereotypes..

Deathwing Terminators
SB, PS, LC, TH, SS, AC, AssC, PC, HF, CML, CF, PA, and PF are all the options I've heard rumored. Default is standard SB PF, Sgt w SB PS. Of note, AC and the PASS combo both are new info that's been whispered to me.

Plasma Predator

Heard a deviant rumor that they have meltagun sponsons as an option too...
So PC, AC, LasC w HB, HF, MG sponsons. Supposed to be a new kit with BA Pred style sponsons and DA icons included.

Dreadnoughts
Sounds like the HVY slot dread is the standard, and the specialist DA dread is Elite. and either can be upgraded to ven...for what that's worth now.

Tastytaste wrote:

I actually don’t think they are getting a Flyer. Inner Circle sorta fits with what I have been hearing. Super Techmarine sounds like the answer to the Warpsmith. Fortification is pretty solid, but don’t expect army specific fortifications just yet it should be an addition to the current list.

Here is some tip bits of what I know about the new Dark Angel codex that should hold you over.

Expect Dark Angels to be the ones that get Hatred: Chaos Space Marines. In fact, expect a “hatred type” trend to continue especially considering the addition of Allies.

GW wants (along fluff lines) to have armies counter other armies in extremely specific ways. In addition, and I am going to be nice and vague about this, but I bet you can figure it out if you do some research. The new major unit for Dark Angels is something Games Workshop is currently in court over over with a certain other company that already made them. If that doesn’t ring a bell, let me say it is a unit that perhaps only the Masters of the 2nd Companies would know about.

Stickmonkey wrote:Land speeder storm was also in the FA slot, according to sources.

No mention of excessive plasma-ness in this round.

Phil did say that. However, there has also been much debate over getting appropriate xenos fortifications into the mix. They have eldar, ork and tyranid terrain just waiting to be produced that I know of. Maybe next summer will be summer of fortifications.
(...)
Standard DT are there, Rhino, razorback, and DP. I have conflicting rumors the LR is in as a DT for Terminators.

Also in discussions at GD, the StormTalon is to remain a Codex Space Marines only vehicle.

Earlier rumor was mixed squad remained, however, cyclones could only be taken on SB marines. I haven't heard any more on this, that was a while ago, it really could go either way. I wouldn't build any more or tear apart those you have just yet.

I have heard, but have very little to back this up that the company master for DA in TA will be a single plastic character blister. It will include some options for loadout but not all, but will be blinged out like the DV termies.
(...)
Its bigger than the StormTalon, but the fuselage has a landspeeder style to it. I took it to mean squarish. The wings are supposedly fanned forward like an Aquila. And others have mentioned it would not take much to make this look like the chapter symbol, but I haven't heard anything on this.
(...)
From what I have heard there is a death wing upgrade character, a tactical upgrade character, a ravenwing upgrade character, and a scout upgrade character, namaan being one of these.

Hello boys and girls,
I've rested and recovered from the insanity of GDUK, really enjoyed meeting lots of people. If I met you there, cheers.

Down to business.

Right now info I have is we will see DA in November, and we can play with them before Christmas.

From the rules rumor dept I have a few bits, please bear in mind these are only rumors:

HQ:
Azrael
Belial - not needed for deathwing
Sammael - not needed for ravenwing
Azmodai
Ezekiel
Barakiel - named Techmarine/master of the forge! Note: barakiel is known as Angel of Lightning in references
Sabrael - guardian of the inner circle, gives bonus to inner circle unit
Librarian
Company Master TA option
Interrogator chaplain
Command squad ( option to take TA or bikes with Belial or Sammael respectively, and apothecary, standard bearer, 1 heavy weapon)

Elite:
Techmarine
Chaplains (x3 can function independently like sanguinary priests in BA, or form a unit w special rules). Only characters if independent.
Inner circle unit ( name is not known) tasked with hunting down one enemy unit, special rules for doing so. Can death wing assault, can assault on deep strike. But glass cannon, great in assault, but standard PA so will be easily shot up.
Brother-interrogators - this unit wears chaplain style death masks, but are not chaplains, they are a specialist unit adept at near range combat, standard armament is dual bolt pistols and power maul. Can upgrade pistols.
Veterans
Dreadnought
Scouts

Troops:
Terminators
Tactical squad
Ravenwing Bike squad not sure how it differs from ravenwing assault squad.

FA:
Ravenwing assault squad
Ravenwing support squad
Assault marines
Ravenclaw air superiority fighter

Hvy
Predator
Whirlwind w flakk options
Land raider
Devastator w flakk options
Dreadnought
Vindicator

Rumor is there is something else for the heavy slot too, but no info specific to it.

Fortifications:
Siege cannon ( this is supposedly the Techmarine cannon described earlier)
Battle bunker

That's enough to chew on for now....might be a few more surprises...and this is still just RUMOR folks...names and all.

Cheers

Ok boys and girls. Not going so far as to call these rumors, as I have word only of some drawn art assets, but it could point to potential models and rules so passing it along.

First:
Ravenwing.
Got some art of an attack bike with what could be a plasma blaster in the gunner side. definitely plasma. but multiple barrels. could also just be TLPG but the source said it was one weapon not side by side when asked.
Second shot has a squadron of bikes, 6 bikes + attack bike riding down orks, in the air is a landspeeder, but it has underslung missle pods. Could certainly be creative license.

Deathwing.
Got art of Termie with a plasma cannon, back pack and hoses running behind.
Termies fighting chaos, one with LC and Cyclone launcher, the rest SB and PF, SGT in front with PS. Lends credence to mixed squads being present.

Other.
Art of supposed new flyer does very much resemble the lightning, with a landspeeder-esque body.
Shot of chaplain in TA fighting a hellbrute. So obviously wasn't meant for DV as that chaplain is PA.
Techmarine firing unknown weapon. Looks like a punisher cannon. supported with servo harness and held at hip. one servo arm is feeding belt ammo into it.


Like I said, no idea if any of this will be used, but it certainly is interesting towards rumors.


Could that Techmarine weapon be the new siege weapon you mentioned earlier?
Doubtful, the siege weapon was described as a tracked platform...like the thunderfire. this art is a single techmarine with a heavy weapon.

One thing, I've gotten a lot of rumors winging my way of techmarines. IMHO I am not certain some of it might not be for something else down the road. There is no particular fluff reason I'm aware of DA would have a greater than normal emphasis on TM. Iron hands, sure. But not DA.

Edit: Or possible as a first founding chapter there is just more artificer armor present and the art is being mistaken for techmarines...


The new aircraft sounds like it's sleeker than the Storm Talon, which is also promising.
Don't count on it...my source called it a "Pregnant Albatross". Said it has a big engine intake behind the cockpit.

stickmonkey wrote:Good day warseer. I've got some juicy model rumors on the upcoming DA release.

Despite the WD cover, I am hearing Nov/Dec timeframe. Not sure if this is reveal in Nov WD (released in Oct) release in Nov, or reveal in Dec WD...the way the rumors are flowing its getting very difficult to be sure what is meant.

Here's what my sources have past along:

Characters:
New Azrael - PA, helmet on and off options, still with a watcher model holding combi-plasma (supposedly the watchers have an expanded role on table top now, but this is the first I've hear of this and no details given, so lots of skepticism.)
Azmodai - TA
Ezekial model staying the same.
Ravenwing Bike captain
Named Sargeant (Nameth?)
Belial gets a model
Sammael gets a new model (I am not certain, but this could be the bike captain being mistaken)


Units:
Landspeeder-esq flyer. (we've heard this before, so could be rehash) Has Aquila like wings. TLAC, TML, TLPC, TLHvyB (sounded like these were options, not that it had them all at once)
Plasma Pred (heard this before, too) TLPC turret.
Deathwing Box (new to me) AC, Cyclone Launcher, THSS x2, LC x2, PS x1, PC, HF, PF x5, SB x5, CF x2 (Lots of bits there, consistent with the load of extras in things like the Space wolf Termies, Plasma Cannon Termie? IBIWISI)
New Dreadnought type. Mortis options.
Inner Circle box. Elites. Robed PA. dual unit box. one is CC focus, the other is dual pistols (gunslingers, anyone?) one version uses chaplain helmets.
Seige unit. (not many details given on this, sounds like techmarine thunderfire type unit, hoping to get more on this)



That's all I have for now.

Cheers.

There is a lot of confusion lately on what is going to be released and when. Even though most rumor sources around the web are still saying September, there is a lot of disbelief, so hopefully this will shed a little light on the subject, as well as put forth a possible date for the next codex release.


Please remember that these are rumors.

via Faeit 212 (a Must Remain Anonymous Source)
______ hasn't changed his statement that Pre orders are up on the 15th for release on the 22nd along with the white dwarf about them.

I could imagine the WD and Pre Orders to both be the 22nd but he was very specific and said that they're "breaking the mold" to fit in DAngels.

The Dark Angel "Tempest" is a new speeder that can "zoom" with dual twin-linked assault cannons and a typhoon launcher. Not only that, but Asmodai is back, and a lot more.......


Yesterday we had a set of rumors that were translated from Italian. While some of it was hard to read because of the translation, we were gifted with the corrections to these rumors. According to our source, some of it was wrong, off, or even backwards. So take a look,

Please remember that these are rumors.

via Faeit 212 (a Must Remain Anonymous Source)

... The DA codex will have a new choice in bipode heavy media mortis to be appointed and will have two guns.
It's just the Dreadnought. DA Dreadnoughts can purchase an offhand autocannon or missile launcher as normal, upgrade their primary gun as normal, or replace both arms with a pair of matching guns to be deemed "Mortis."

there will be a new character that ought to choose allies from other codex (called guard?) as a troop choice ...
This is backwards, one character prevents you from taking allies from Guard.

about the Deathwing I heard something about a box containing two hammers and shield and weapon type weapon nemesis that should give FNP to 2 +
The apothecary is FNP 5+ like normal, only one unit per army, there is a similar-to-warding staff option but not as good and for librarians as it uses a warp charge but is an automatic psychic power that can be shut down only by runic weapons and the like.

there will be new variants of land speeder ... (And perhaps also one that makes the functions of the storm talon)
Correct, the Tempest basically. It's can Zoom, comes with a twin-linked assault cannon (not on a turret) and typhoon launcher.

the "Blazing Sword" is something that has to do with the ravenwing ....
No idea what he's talking about.

The presence of 3 banners that will characterize the army and the command team.
Replacement for the distributed per-squad banners. These are a lot like the SM special characters, they grant a USR for the whole army when purchased and are very expensive, must be modeled (but come as raised image banners in the DA character box) and still apply even if the banner is lost. It's just a visual representation of a way to place points.

Note: This is also the current direction for the next SM release, where Combat Tactics is renamed Chapter Tactics and is replaced by paying a surcharge on your HQ, instead of having to buy specific characters.
Named characters still impose their Chapter Tactics as per normal, and are cheaper than a standard HQ + ChapterTax, but it's a nice alternative.

the DA will have different rules on the use of plasma weapons .. something warming ... to represent the fact that they are experts in using these weapons.
They can reroll failed armor saves against Gets Hot! and vehicles get to reroll its 4+ to avoid the hull point.

New aircraft is introduced into the codex DA will not be the storm Talon.
That would be the tempest from above

the cyclone missile launcher will have an AA if the model remains stationary for that turn.
Close but no cigar. Remaining stationary lets you reroll misses with Cyclone launchers against flyers.

There will be new options for the predator.
Plasma Destroyer Turret, heavy 3 plasma cannon, no plasma cannon sponsons.

WW AA will have the option as an upgrade and 3 different types of missile to choose before the game.
Replace both Castellan and Vengeance with Helios Missile launcher for free. Heavy 1, Twin Linked, Skyfire Interceptor.

special character chaplain will be introduced
He's not new, it's Asmodai. He's just making a come back.

there will be new psychic powers and will be given space to a couple of new units that are not present in the previous codex.
The first part is true, they get a new Lore with only some resemblance to the current codex. There are 2 new units (outside of the additions of Vanguard and Sternguard).

There are two basic troops choices and not just one.
Tactical Squad and Deathwing are troops.

it comes to AA missile launchers in the new codex .. I do not know, and this refers to the type of the missile destroyers or to those mentioned above.
Devastators can upgrade to take flakk missiles at +5 points per model, replaces Krak and Frag options.

Here's a compilation of the most recent Dark Angels playtest.
Anything not included is because it's the same, or I didn't notice a difference.
The universal DA rules are ATSKNF, Combat Squad and Stubborn. HQs are all fearless.


HQ
Azrael
up to WS6, his gun is now a master crafted assault 2 12" 1 shot plasma, on top of a bolter. (basically assault instead of rapid fire, but can't fire at long range) and is fearless.


Belial
Also WS6, but is now 170 points and still unlocks DW as troops.


Interrogator Chaplains
140 points, all units within 12" are fearless, not just his own squad
Rerolls misses and wounds in challenges. Interrogator chaplains that win challenges against Independent Characters give you +1 victory point in a mission that uses victory points.


Elites
Chaplains are now elites and cost 100 points, but you can buy 1-3 of them as a single choice. They can be upgraded to take specific banners. At the start of the game they nominate a model in the squad they're attached to to be their "banner bearer" who must be modeled appropriately with the specific banner. If the chaplain later leaves the squad, the banner remains.


Furious charge USR, reroll armor saves against overwatch wounds when charging a unit within 6" of an objective
Counter attack USR, reroll misses with overwatch when within 6" of an objective
Reroll wounds against models within 6" of an objective with shooting, reroll wounds in a close combat that takes place within 6" of an objective
[Note: These are playtest rules, hence why these all seem very similar. Either they are intended to have a theme, or they're intended to be playtested and the most popular is kept]


Deathwing Terminator Squads are 215 points base, can swap to lightning claws for free, pay 5 points for thunder hammer / storm shield, and only models with storm bolter / powerfist or chainfist can take the cyclone missile launcher upgrade, which is now 30 points.
Deathwing assault works a little bit differently. All Deathwing units and models in terminator armour attached to Deathwing units now come down on the first turn via deep strike without a roll if you wish you make a "Deathwing assault."
It specifically notes, however, the limitations of no more than 50% of your army being allowed in reserve, and that independent characters whether attached to a squad or not, count as a unit.


[Note: This would mean if you want 2 deathwing units + a character to deathwing assault turn 1, you'd need 3 units on the table. But if you somehow had 5 units on the table, and 3 units of Deathwing + 2 HQs on the table, all 5 would Deathwing assault turn 1.]


Dreadnoughts are a bit cheaper on points base, can be upgraded to venerable, and can upgrade their dreadnought close combat weapon to any ranged weapon (not just missile launcher or autocannon)


Sternguard are in, but can swap their bolter for a close-combat weapon if they want. Any model can upgrade their close combat weapon to a power weapon, lightning claw, power fist or thunder hammer. Any model with a close combat weapon can swap their bolt pistol for a Storm Shield (20 pts) or take a Combat Shield (5 pts).


Scouts are still elite


Troops
Tactical Squad starts with 5 models and can take a special weapon [flamer (free), meltagun (1o points), or plasma gun (15 points)], can buy up to 5 more models at 15 points each. At 10 models they can take a heavy weapon [Heavy Bolter, Multi-Melta, Missile Launcher (free), Plasma Cannon (5 points), Lascannon (10 points)]


Fast Attack
Assault squads can remove jump pack, and get a 35 point discount on transport vehicle instead of a rhino/drop pod for free, but are otherwise unchanged.


Vanguard are in


Heavy Support
Predators can take a heavy 2 Plasma Cannon turret option


Whirlwind can switch their Vengeance/Castellan missiles for Hyperios missiles for 15 points. Heavy 2, Twin-Linked krak missiles, with skyfire/interceptor.


No upgrade for Devastators to take skyfire flak missiles.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
You know I'd love to know what a "bipode heavy media" is. I'm guessing bipedal heavy mecha, but who knows?

 Lucre wrote:
So do you guys think the chaplains will be a flop just like every other attempt so far to get people to play overcosted chaplains?

Anyone have any rumored units they're excited about?

Lucre 471826 4686404 d7a67b2b81659ba8a964af408c80144b.png wrote:So do you guys think the chaplains will be a flop just like every other attempt so far to get people to play overcosted chaplains?

Anyone have any rumored units they're excited about?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Which you will of course be elaborating on for us lesser beings/non-mind readers, yes?

 Lucre wrote:
The stuff in the rumors still seems sorta appropriate to me. It makes sense for them to have a wacky old sorta dread, it makes sense for them to have some kind of Special-DA flying machine because they stayed with their old tech vs the new flyer.

 BrookM wrote:
Wasn't the Mortis already in the previous DA codex?

 Nuclear Mekanik wrote:
Scouts as elites still?? Seriously?

Hope that gets sorted by the official release.

 lunarman wrote:

 Nuclear Mekanik wrote:
Scouts as elites still?? Seriously?

Hope that gets sorted by the official release.

You know this will never change and it's part of the dark angel fluff!

 warboss wrote:

I don't recall it being part of the fluff. It just kind of appeared in their codex IIRC.

Palindrome wrote:
The Flakk missile rumours worry me a little. As it stands they are simply a waste of points.

Palindrome wrote:
+5 points for a weak krak missile which replaces both the frag and krak options? Thats just not worth it.

 Formosa wrote:


But your paying for specialisation, so its swings and roundabouts, now I personally dont believe this rumour as an extra 5pts on top of a missile launcher is stupid, now if its a flak missile launcher for 5pts, then it would make sense

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
No info on Ravenwing bikes? Be good to know if they're troops or not. I have a LOT of bikes and speeders already, and don't really fancy a new iteration of DA that doesn't let me use plenty of both...

Palindrome wrote:
+5 points for a weak krak missile which replaces both the frag and krak options? Thats just not worth it.

Palindrome wrote:

 Formosa wrote:


But your paying for specialisation, so its swings and roundabouts, now I personally dont believe this rumour as an extra 5pts on top of a missile launcher is stupid, now if its a flak missile launcher for 5pts, then it would make sense

Actually you are paying twice. Firstly with an increased points cost and secondly with the removal of the missile launchers utility (arguably its best feature). One of these would be fine but both is a step too far.

 lord_blackfang wrote:


Out of curiosity, have you ever played against a Flyer?

 Formosa wrote:

Well done, you get points for stating what I had already stated.... dont put "actually" if you have not "actually" read my post, I already said "I personally dont believe this rumour as an extra 5pts on top of a missile launcher is stupid", then went on to say "now if its a flak missile launcher for 5pts, then it would make sense" and to clarify that, it would be a missile laucher that only fires flakks for 5pts alone, not +5pts on top of a standard one.

Wutwut wrote:
I've been out of 40K for a long time, too long it seems, have the rules of a founding chapter, what distinguishes it from your basic run of the mill Ultramarine always been able to fit 1 page of rules + special characters?

And in a related note, why the heck do so many chapters even have full blown codexes if they are all going to end up with a couple of "special" units, a couple of USRs and 90% copy pasted army entries? :S

 Shep wrote:
I really doubt that the flakk missile will be a replacement for frag and krak.

Reading the missile launcher description on page 57 of the big book...

"All missile launchers come with frag and krak missiles as standard, and some have the option to upgrade to include flakk missiles. Each time a missile fires, the controlling player must choose which type of missile is being used."

They had a pretty clear vision on what the missile launcher was going to be when they wrote the rulebook. I'd be pretty surprised if they were already worried about too much anti-flyer.

Keep in mind that the flakk missile is only strength 7. As long as you are paying for it, I don't see what is so powerful. Devs get about 3 hits factoring in the dev sergeant trick, so you'd need two devs squads to down a flyer. That is what, 300 points?

In regards to the whirlwind, forgeworlds version is a single strength 8 ap3 twin-linked shot, and I do agree that it isn't particularly frightening. But it does have interceptor, which is awesome. And that means you can fire it at ground targets as well. It could be a consolation prize for taking a whirlwind in your take all comers list and then bellying up against necrons with flyerspam, or mechanized guard.

Also, one of the two rumors had it at heavy 2. I think strength 8 heavy 2 interceptor would be more than ok for a vehicle that gets to choose right before deployment what missiles it has. If it loses the twin-linked, you could prescience it.

With whirlwind hyperios, flakk missiles, and these new tempests, dark angels look to be able to field a really flexible reactive army, the kind i like. I'm thrilled about these rumors.

And we've still got two brand new units to be revealed.

 Vaktathi wrote:
To be fair...they've never been much more than a slightly codex-divergent chapter which deploys two of their otherwise standard-org companies in a non-codex manner and some dark fluff secret, going all the way back to 2nd edition.

Most of this stuff (Hyperios, Tempest, etc) is already available to all marine armies via Forgeworld and likely will appear in any future C:SM as well, they aren't DA unique units.

Well I guess Dark Angels are coming in October...?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The same picture that has been posted every day for at least a a week now.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The same picture that has been posted every day for at least a a week now.

 Brother SRM wrote:
General consensus is that it's for the continuation of their coverage of the box set, not a DA codex proper.

 BrassScorpion wrote:

Spikey Bits post from Facebook:

Well I guess Dark Angels are coming in October...?

Vermillion wrote:
Sounds like they are making the codex the prototype for the next vanilla marines one again which means it will be once more pointless to play them and the elites are still too crowded screaming master of Deathwing or Ravenwing appear at every DA battle from squad patrol upwards .

 Brother SRM wrote:

Vermillion wrote:
Sounds like they are making the codex the prototype for the next vanilla marines one again which means it will be once more pointless to play them and the elites are still too crowded screaming master of Deathwing or Ravenwing appear at every DA battle from squad patrol upwards .

Even though the rumor is that Deathwing are supposed to be in the codex as Troops choices? Yep, I sure will be seeing Belial every game! Where are you getting the idea that they're a prototype for Codex: Space Marines again? Historically it's been the case, but right now it just looks like you didn't really read the OP.

 Brother SRM wrote:

Vermillion wrote:
Sounds like they are making the codex the prototype for the next vanilla marines one again which means it will be once more pointless to play them and the elites are still too crowded screaming master of Deathwing or Ravenwing appear at every DA battle from squad patrol upwards .

Even though the rumor is that Deathwing are supposed to be in the codex as Troops choices? Yep, I sure will be seeing Belial every game! Where are you getting the idea that they're a prototype for Codex: Space Marines again? Historically it's been the case, but right now it just looks like you didn't really read the OP.

 English Assassin wrote:

Am I missing something? Don't the rumours in the OP still have Belial unlocking Terminators as troops?

There are two basic troops choices and not just one.
Tactical Squad and Deathwing are troops.

 Brother SRM wrote:

 English Assassin wrote:

Am I missing something? Don't the rumours in the OP still have Belial unlocking Terminators as troops?

From the OP:

There are two basic troops choices and not just one.
Tactical Squad and Deathwing are troops.

I do share the worry that GW won't make them different enough to keep them from being Space Marines with a few minor changes, but we'll see soon enough.

 Brother SRM wrote:

Vermillion wrote:
Sounds like they are making the codex the prototype for the next vanilla marines one again which means it will be once more pointless to play them and the elites are still too crowded screaming master of Deathwing or Ravenwing appear at every DA battle from squad patrol upwards .

Even though the rumor is that Deathwing are supposed to be in the codex as Troops choices? Yep, I sure will be seeing Belial every game! Where are you getting the idea that they're a prototype for Codex: Space Marines again? Historically it's been the case, but right now it just looks like you didn't really read the OP.

 Brother SRM wrote:

 English Assassin wrote:

Am I missing something? Don't the rumours in the OP still have Belial unlocking Terminators as troops?

From the OP:

There are two basic troops choices and not just one.
Tactical Squad and Deathwing are troops.

I do share the worry that GW won't make them different enough to keep them from being Space Marines with a few minor changes, but we'll see soon enough.

 Lucre wrote:


I'm just a little worried that DA will have the first of the price hiked terminators.

 Ronin_eX wrote:
Yeah, Codex Angels of Death was after Codex Ultramarines in 2nd, though the Dark Angels were a bit under powered in that edition (outside of odd builds like Land Speeder armies). And all the marine codices paled in comparison to the first (which became a blueprint of what not to do), the Space Wolves. In 3rd the main marine codex was the base blue print for the add-on chapters. But those heinous books stripped out 80% of the fluff and were pumped out so quickly (and obviously poorly tested) that the 1996 AoD codex was seen as far superior. The only time the Dark Angels were used to test out a new direction was the last codex we got, and again, it was a disaster that made AoD look great in comparison.

But truth be told, looking back through everything, none of our codices have ever been anything to write home about. Angels of Death simply stands out and gets held up as a paragon of what the Dark Angels are about because nothing has ever done better than it. In itself AoD had great background but the mechanics were largely boring and suffered the same problems as other SM armies in 2nd, but worse (marines were heinously overcosted in 2nd Edition as it was, and a lot of DA units were just more expensive versions). If GW can give us a good codex in this edition then they may finally get over people comparing everything to codices that are 16+ years old at this point.

That said, so many of these rumours out of Faeit212 double back and/or contradict themselves that I'm considering the whole batch a wash. Even if he gets a bit right there is a lot in there that just doesn't add up. So far the only things I am set on is the changes to Masters, Librarians and Ravenwing (from the Dark Vengeance leaks). Beyond that I am going to wait for a more reputable source to chime in (or for the release).

 nolzur wrote:
So, am I the only one that noticed in the WD batrep that they used the terminators as scoring troops, and Belial was not there?
Hoping that this is a sign of what will be in the new codex.

 nolzur wrote:
So, am I the only one that noticed in the WD batrep that they used the terminators as scoring troops, and Belial was not there?
Hoping that this is a sign of what will be in the new codex.

 Brother SRM wrote:

 nolzur wrote:
So, am I the only one that noticed in the WD batrep that they used the terminators as scoring troops, and Belial was not there?
Hoping that this is a sign of what will be in the new codex.

I posted about this in the OP already. Deathwing Terminators are Troops in the new codex, according to the rumors posted.

 Gamble wrote:
GW has played their own rules incorrectly in WD BatReps before. That said, I have the same hopes.

 nolzur wrote:
So, am I the only one that noticed in the WD batrep that they used the terminators as scoring troops, and Belial was not there?
Hoping that this is a sign of what will be in the new codex.

 Brother SRM wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if Belial was taken out altogether with the introduction of Terminators as Troops, which was the only thing unique about him. In the Dark Angels codex he had nothing special about him aside from being the only way to get a 2+ save on a DA Master.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Brother SRM wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if Belial was taken out altogether with the introduction of Terminators as Troops, which was the only thing unique about him. In the Dark Angels codex he had nothing special about him aside from being the only way to get a 2+ save on a DA Master.

Taking him away would be stupid at this point.

Why?
Because of just how annoyed myself and many other players were at the loss of Naaman. A lot of people were upset about the loss of Asmodai as well.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Brother SRM wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if Belial was taken out altogether with the introduction of Terminators as Troops, which was the only thing unique about him. In the Dark Angels codex he had nothing special about him aside from being the only way to get a 2+ save on a DA Master.

Taking him away would be stupid at this point.

Why?
Because of just how annoyed myself and many other players were at the loss of Naaman. A lot of people were upset about the loss of Asmodai as well.

Belial doesn't have a model, though.

Master of the Ravenwing in Land Speeder has not had a model, despite being an option since the mini-dex at least.

 Volkov wrote:

Master of the Ravenwing in Land Speeder has not had a model, despite being an option since the mini-dex at least.

Actually the master has had 3. A metal/plastic speeder, a plastic speeder , and the jetbike

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Volkov wrote:

Master of the Ravenwing in Land Speeder has not had a model, despite being an option since the mini-dex at least.

Actually the master has had 3. A metal/plastic speeder, a plastic speeder , and the jetbike

If you want to correct someone, at least read the post.

Notice what I said. Now notice what you posted.

A "jetbike" is not a "Master of the Ravenwing in Land Speeder".
The metal/plastic one was conversion bits, not a dedicated kit.
The "plastic speeder" you're referring to is again conversion bits. And it's not even included with a Land Speeder. It's on the Ravenwing conversion sprues.

 Brother SRM wrote:
If they mention Belial in the fluff as Captain of the 1st Company or whatever that's fine and dandy. If they give him new rules that make him in any way different than a Company Master in Terminator armor, that's great. His rules as an IC are a non-entity, and if he didn't unlock Terminators as Troops (which is supposedly a stock option in the new dex) there'd be no reason for him to exist.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Volkov wrote:

Master of the Ravenwing in Land Speeder has not had a model, despite being an option since the mini-dex at least.

Actually the master has had 3. A metal/plastic speeder, a plastic speeder , and the jetbike

If you want to correct someone, at least read the post.

Notice what I said. Now notice what you posted.

A "jetbike" is not a "Master of the Ravenwing in Land Speeder".
The metal/plastic one was conversion bits, not a dedicated kit.
The "plastic speeder" you're referring to is again conversion bits. And it's not even included with a Land Speeder. It's on the Ravenwing conversion sprues.

Also this is pretty pedantic, and coming from me that's saying something The metal/plastic one was a kit that you bought called Master of the Ravenwing:

It had a special model for the master himself and everything. What would a dedicated kit have done any differently? A metal Land Speeder?

The Ravenwing sprue has options for weapons that are on the master's Land Speeder and nobody else's; they're solely intended for him. While they don't sell a Land Speeder and the Ravenwing sprue together in a box outside of the Battleforce, it's not exactly rocket science to figure out that those bits are there purely to convert him up.

 pretre wrote:
Kan, I normally agree with you, but I think you're moving the goalpost here. You said he hasn't had a model, he provided proof of a model. Just because it wasn't a dual kit doesn't make it any less a model.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Jbuckmaster: Was it? My first minidex fell apart, so I only have the revised one to check.

 Ratius wrote:
Forgive me, are DAs or Chaos up next for Codex release or is it still up int he air as to which?

via Faeit 212 (a Must Remain Anonymous Source)
______ hasn't changed his statement that Pre orders are up on the 15th for release on the 22nd along with the white dwarf about them.

I could imagine the WD and Pre Orders to both be the 22nd but he was very specific and said that they're "breaking the mold" to fit in DAngels.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Lucre wrote:
The stuff in the rumors still seems sorta appropriate to me. It makes sense for them to have a wacky old sorta dread, it makes sense for them to have some kind of Special-DA flying machine because they stayed with their old tech vs the new flyer.

But it's not a wacky Dread, it's just the inclusion of Forgeworld weapon options. It's not a special DA Land Speeder, the Tempest is a Forgeworld model mostly used by the White Scars.

 Formosa wrote:
well if that is true it backs up my statement from way back when, basically I said that GW would not lets its flagship boxset for newbs have 2 out of date books that will get slapped around by almost every other book (this as always depends on experiance, but how many newbs are that good to start with), so if they are releasing DA/Chaos early then its great for both the fanbases, now here is the kicker, if DA turn out to be a better dex than chaos (or vice versa), then we can expect the respective elements of the new boxset to become harder to obtain cheaper on Ebay... just a thought

Faeit 212 Anonymous Commenter wrote:Dark Angels will have at least 3 units never seen before, not including special characters. Plus, there is another flyer + FAQ wave coming

Faeit 212 Anonymous Commenter wrote:Dark Angels will have at least 3 units never seen before, not including special characters. Plus, there is another flyer + FAQ wave coming

 Kroothawk wrote:

Faeit 212 Anonymous Commenter wrote:Dark Angels will have at least 3 units never seen before, not including special characters. Plus, there is another flyer + FAQ wave coming

... and they will have at least one new plastic kit and 2 new Finecast characters. And GW will raise prices next June.

stickmonkey wrote:Good day warseer. I've got some juicy model rumors on the upcoming DA release.

Despite the WD cover, I am hearing Nov/Dec timeframe. Not sure if this is reveal in Nov WD (released in Oct) release in Nov, or reveal in Dec WD...the way the rumors are flowing its getting very difficult to be sure what is meant.

Here's what my sources have past along:

Characters:
New Azrael - PA, helmet on and off options, still with a watcher model holding combi-plasma (supposedly the watchers have an expanded role on table top now, but this is the first I've hear of this and no details given, so lots of skepticism.)
Azmodai - TA
Ezekial model staying the same.
Ravenwing Bike captain
Named Sargeant (Nameth?)
Belial gets a model
Sammael gets a new model (I am not certain, but this could be the bike captain being mistaken)


Units:
Landspeeder-esq flyer. (we've heard this before, so could be rehash) Has Aquila like wings. TLAC, TML, TLPC, TLHvyB (sounded like these were options, not that it had them all at once)
Plasma Pred (heard this before, too) TLPC turret.
Deathwing Box (new to me) AC, Cyclone Launcher, THSS x2, LC x2, PS x1, PC, HF, PF x5, SB x5, CF x2 (Lots of bits there, consistent with the load of extras in things like the Space wolf Termies, Plasma Cannon Termie? IBIWISI)
New Dreadnought type. Mortis options.
Inner Circle box. Elites. Robed PA. dual unit box. one is CC focus, the other is dual pistols (gunslingers, anyone?) one version uses chaplain helmets.
Seige unit. (not many details given on this, sounds like techmarine thunderfire type unit, hoping to get more on this)



That's all I have for now.

Cheers.

gilljoy wrote:
No reason the master of the ravenwing couldn't be a land speeder or an upgrade kit for the plastic land speeder

 Brother SRM wrote:
I don't see them making robed Terminators. There's no precedent in any of the models, and even Dark Vengeance only has a tabbard.

 Brother SRM wrote:
I don't see them making robed Terminators. There's no precedent in any of the models, and even Dark Vengeance only has a tabbard.

whoadirty wrote:
While the DW terminator box sounds awesome, has GW ever put 4 heavy/special weapons in a squad that can only field one?

whoadirty wrote:
While the DW terminator box sounds awesome, has GW ever put 4 heavy/special weapons in a squad that can only field one?

 MightyGodzilla wrote:
If they weren't going to do something drastic with the terminator sprue (robes, tabards) would there be enough for GW to do a new termie kit that is DA specific? Their weapon options are already available (unless they're getting new options) and I don't know that DA inconography would justify a new kit. Especially with the DV termies out en masse. GW didn't give BAs new termies, BA players had to try their luck battling for SH bits. Which is a very parallel situation.

 Spartiat1s wrote:
Possibly these new kits add merit to the deathwing becoming troops rumor in the new codex. This would free up some elite slots for the "gunslinger" and "innercircle" and make the DA unique.

 Formosa wrote:

you mean appart from the pic with Azrael standing infront of some robbed termies?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Spartiat1s wrote:
Possibly these new kits add merit to the deathwing becoming troops rumor in the new codex. This would free up some elite slots for the "gunslinger" and "innercircle" and make the DA unique.

No it wouldn't.

Grey Knights have Terminators as Troops to start with and an Elite Terminator variant as well, with Space Wolves have the ability to make Wolf Guard Terminators Troops.

At this point, nothing is going to make "Terminators as Troops" unique beyond weapon load-outs. Hell, even giving the Deathwing an "Elite Inner Circle" variant which gain hero level stats would not be unique as the Grey Knights have that as well in the form of Paladins(an Elite Terminator choice which can become Troops with Draigo).

The Dark Angels having a ridiculously bloated Elites section is practically guaranteed at this point, since Scouts are purported to maintain their slot there in spite of any bloody sense of logic.

 MightyGodzilla wrote:
That DA Termie set does seem like wishlisting. Everything you'd want to make a 5 man Termie squad if they keep the tactical / assault mix up they had going in 4th. And an excuse to iconographi them up. Would be nice if it were true.

Scouts in the elite spot I never understood. I never fielded them either. It's against my own personal doctrine. DA scouts are trainees, shouldn't be elites. Never should have been.

 Kanluwen wrote:

That's actually not true.

This is something which has always been fallaciously repeated for not just Dark Angels, but every Astartes Chapter out there.
Scouts are not just trainees. They are made up of Brothers who have not been assigned to a Company or veterans who chose to remain with the 10th Company to train the next generation of Astartes.

The Wolf Scouts are a far better representation of Astartes Scouts than Scouts themselves are in the standard books.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Not just Black Library material does.

You've got examples like Naaman and Telion from Codices, and Cyrus from DOWII.
Black Templars are a bit on the weird side, mostly due to the "knight" and "squire" attempt that they had going on.

 Brother SRM wrote:
Those are also sergeants. Scout sergeants are veterans just as much as any tactical Marine sergeant is a veteran.

 MightyGodzilla wrote:
Scouts in the elite spot I never understood. I never fielded them either. It's against my own personal doctrine. DA scouts are trainees, shouldn't be elites. Never should have been.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 MightyGodzilla wrote:
Scouts in the elite spot I never understood. I never fielded them either. It's against my own personal doctrine. DA scouts are trainees, shouldn't be elites. Never should have been.

Makes more sense than Troops or Heavy. You could maybe make a case for Fast Attack.

 Kanluwen wrote:

The Dark Angels Scouts have always had close ties to the Ravenwing, and why the LSS was first given to the Codex Chapters rather than Dark Angels is a mystery to me.

 ph34r wrote:

The Siege unit sounds very interesting to me. I wish we knew if it was a new unit type or some sort of TFC squad.

 Brother SRM wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

The Dark Angels Scouts have always had close ties to the Ravenwing, and why the LSS was first given to the Codex Chapters rather than Dark Angels is a mystery to me.

That's just the most GW thing honestly. Codex: Space Marines getting the LSS and what are essentially Mortis pattern dreadnoughts, bikes as Troops with a captain on bike, and Space Wolves getting Terminators as Troops just follows the typical process of DA ideas getting co-opted by other Marine books. I don't recall the ties to the Ravenwing with scouts in the Dark Angels though, but I haven't read up on the boys in green in a while.

 Brother SRM wrote:
Those are also sergeants. Scout sergeants are veterans just as much as any tactical Marine sergeant is a veteran.

 Kanluwen wrote:
And if you'll recall, Black Library recently made a point of making it very clear ("Purging of Kadillus") that by the time a Scout is getting ready to "graduate" that he is at least as experienced as any veteran Guardsman.

Devastators can upgrade to take flakk missiles at +5 points per model, replaces Krak and Frag options.

Motograter wrote:
A squad of chaplains sounds very cool. Inner Circle Chaplains gunslinging. NICE!!!!

 Brother SRM wrote:

Motograter wrote:
A squad of chaplains sounds very cool. Inner Circle Chaplains gunslinging. NICE!!!!

One of the reasons I don't see this as an actual thing is because a bunch of dudes with two pistols is frankly kind of useless. Oh no, watch out, this dude has two bolt pistols. Quake with fear, mortals. While it's thematically cool (and there are actually rules to use two pistols now) it doesn't really serve a purpose in-game.

Motograter wrote:

 Brother SRM wrote:

Motograter wrote:
A squad of chaplains sounds very cool. Inner Circle Chaplains gunslinging. NICE!!!!

One of the reasons I don't see this as an actual thing is because a bunch of dudes with two pistols is frankly kind of useless. Oh no, watch out, this dude has two bolt pistols. Quake with fear, mortals. While it's thematically cool (and there are actually rules to use two pistols now) it doesn't really serve a purpose in-game.

Cypher. Its a part of the Dark Angels, at least from way back then but I am old. To be fair also I like gunslingers so if this is true i`ll be happy. My vets all have twin had flamers. Its more wishful thinking on my part but until the codex comes out who knows what wil happen. Could be the best thing since sliced bread

 Kanluwen wrote:

Motograter wrote:

 Brother SRM wrote:

Motograter wrote:
A squad of chaplains sounds very cool. Inner Circle Chaplains gunslinging. NICE!!!!

One of the reasons I don't see this as an actual thing is because a bunch of dudes with two pistols is frankly kind of useless. Oh no, watch out, this dude has two bolt pistols. Quake with fear, mortals. While it's thematically cool (and there are actually rules to use two pistols now) it doesn't really serve a purpose in-game.

Cypher. Its a part of the Dark Angels, at least from way back then but I am old. To be fair also I like gunslingers so if this is true i`ll be happy. My vets all have twin had flamers. Its more wishful thinking on my part but until the codex comes out who knows what wil happen. Could be the best thing since sliced bread

Cypher is one--and the only one--who has had twin pistols.
It's not part of the Dark Angels, it's part of Cypher.

 Brother SRM wrote:

Motograter wrote:
A squad of chaplains sounds very cool. Inner Circle Chaplains gunslinging. NICE!!!!

One of the reasons I don't see this as an actual thing is because a bunch of dudes with two pistols is frankly kind of useless. Oh no, watch out, this dude has two bolt pistols. Quake with fear, mortals. While it's thematically cool (and there are actually rules to use two pistols now) it doesn't really serve a purpose in-game.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Cypher is one--and the only one--who has had twin pistols.
It's not part of the Dark Angels, it's part of Cypher.

Palindrome wrote:

 Brother SRM wrote:

Motograter wrote:
A squad of chaplains sounds very cool. Inner Circle Chaplains gunslinging. NICE!!!!

One of the reasons I don't see this as an actual thing is because a bunch of dudes with two pistols is frankly kind of useless. Oh no, watch out, this dude has two bolt pistols. Quake with fear, mortals. While it's thematically cool (and there are actually rules to use two pistols now) it doesn't really serve a purpose in-game.

I guarantee that they will have special rules/equipment to make up for the rather lacklustre pistol rules.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Cypher is one--and the only one--who has had twin pistols.
It's not part of the Dark Angels, it's part of Cypher.

Ever? Sternguard never existed, right up until they always had.

 ph34r wrote:
The PC option for terminators sounds cool, but I can't imagine many people willingly trading the firepower of two MLs for one PC.

The Siege unit sounds very interesting to me. I wish we knew if it was a new unit type or some sort of TFC squad.

[Waves Hand]
Mostly for the Coolness Factor and I Love Plasma Weapons!

 Ronin_eX wrote:
I agree with the PC sounding a bit odd for Terminators, but then I had a thought. It is being called a plasma cannon, most likely, because the person who relayed the info simply saw a big chunky plasma weapon on the DW sprue (if the rumour is legit of course). But that doesn't mean it is a plasma cannon, it just looks like a plasma weapon.

Now, look at the WD spine art (or the interior piece in the BGB that matches it). See that dual-barrelled monstrosity being toted around? Back in 2nd Edition that was called a Plasma Blaster and you want to know what units it was restricted to? Terminators! So obviously GW have brought back the Plasma Blaster (in the art I mean, not talking about my wacky theoretical one). So what if that plasma weapon on the DW sprue (if it exists) isn't actually a PC but is a Plasma Blaster? If it is actually there and not a wishlist then this seems like a far more likely thought then allowing a plasma cannon out of nowhere.

I figure GW have already kind of tipped their hat to PBs being a thing again with that piece of art putting one front and centre (and making sure it couldn't be mistaken for a run-of-the-mill combi-weapon). So if there is a plasma weapon on the DW sprue I think the possibility of it actually being a plasma blaster is a pretty good shot. It already has precedence in older fluff as a terminator weapon (though it was introduced in the UM book as something available to all marines, including SW/BA/DA) so it wouldn't be a huge stretch to give it to the, apparently, plasma-happy Dark Angels.

Just a random hunch I got, but I figured I would share it.

 Kanluwen wrote:

There's a huge difference between Sternguard and Vanguard--which, face facts here, are renamed First Company Veterans--and what you are suggesting.

Palindrome wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

There's a huge difference between Sternguard and Vanguard--which, face facts here, are renamed First Company Veterans--and what you are suggesting.

Actually I am saying that there are units which don't exist and have never existed until such time as they are introduced and then they have then always existed. I would have thought that would have been obvious.

Stating that unit X will not happen as it currently doesn't exist or isn't currently mentioned means nothing in terms of 40K.

tedurur wrote:
I really dont understand why people think that it wishlisting to suggest that there might be some DW specific termie kits and then go on about how that because BA didnt get BA specific termi kits DA will not get it. BA termies are just like codex termies so there is 0 need for a specific kit. SW termies are not "codex" termies and they recived a kit so I would say it infact safe to assume that DA will get a specific termi kit. Terminators are a rather integral part of DAs, even more so than Wolf Guard terminators.

Nvs wrote:


To be fair, DW terminators are just like normal terminators too. the only difference being the mixed assault/tactical units. And I wouldn't think GW would do something to stop us from needing 2 kits to make 1 unit unless they needed to recut the sprues to combine the kits (which is possible since shelf space is limited). But to be fair, there wasn't much making SW terminators unique either that couldn't be covered by 2 boxes.

tedurur wrote:
I really dont understand why people think that it wishlisting to suggest that there might be some DW specific termie kits and then go on about how that because BA didnt get BA specific termi kits DA will not get it. BA termies are just like codex termies so there is 0 need for a specific kit. SW termies are not "codex" termies and they recived a kit so I would say it infact safe to assume that DA will get a specific termi kit. Terminators are a rather integral part of DAs, even more so than Wolf Guard terminators.

milo wrote:
To be fair, there is a set of BA-specific terminator models -- but you have to buy a copy of Space Hulk to get them.

 Skipphag da Devoura wrote:
Comment 1:
Seraphim Sisters have always had 2x Bolt Pistols... I don't know if they ever had rules for them... Did Cypher?

Comment 2:
The Ravenwing Battleforce box has DW specific terminator bits... I don't think that they are going to add a new Terminator box for them... But I would love it if they did... To get apothecary termi bits..!!!

 vitki wrote:
I wonder if the DW is moving away from the feathers/Native American theme they were kind of shoehorned into.

Maybe I haven't looked closely enough but I don't think I saw any feathers on the Dark Vengeance termis.

 vitki wrote:
I wonder if the DW is moving away from the feathers/Native American theme they were kind of shoehorned into.

Maybe I haven't looked closely enough but I don't think I saw any feathers on the Dark Vengeance termis.

 vitki wrote:
I wonder if the DW is moving away from the feathers/Native American theme they were kind of shoehorned into.

Maybe I haven't looked closely enough but I don't think I saw any feathers on the Dark Vengeance termis.

RyanA wrote:

 vitki wrote:
I wonder if the DW is moving away from the feathers/Native American theme they were kind of shoehorned into.

Maybe I haven't looked closely enough but I don't think I saw any feathers on the Dark Vengeance termis.

Native American? I always thought Angels = Feathers. And yes, the models do have them, as does the commander, and there are a few others lurking around the box set if you look hard enough

 Pyriel- wrote:

Devastators can upgrade to take flakk missiles at +5 points per model, replaces Krak and Frag options.

Wow, making them a waste of points if facing an army with no flyers. Who will ever take devs in a tourney if they can either shoot normally or shoot at flyers but not have both options during the game.

 vitki wrote:

The Native American thing goes way back to the fluff from one of the Space Hulk expansions about why the deathwing wear white. The world they were recruiting from was a pre-industrial world that had very NA type feel to it. The more recent fluff has the knight-like feel to it.
Seemed like they were trying to go two ways with them style-wise.

 Ozymandias wrote:
The Native American thing still exists to a degree. In the last codex they even mention Two Heads Talking and the Deathwing but claim it is an allegorical tale that recruits learn as they go up the ranks of the DA. Basically telling a series of stories preparing them in case they ever become a DW and learn the truth of the Fallen DA.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Ozymandias wrote:
The Native American thing still exists to a degree. In the last codex they even mention Two Heads Talking and the Deathwing but claim it is an allegorical tale that recruits learn as they go up the ranks of the DA. Basically telling a series of stories preparing them in case they ever become a DW and learn the truth of the Fallen DA.

Which I found odd, as Deathwing had nothing to do with the Fallen and everything to do with Genestealer cults.

Vermillion wrote:
They wore white as that was the custom in the tribes of the panet when they went off to a fight to avange a wrong but didn't expect to come back from it. Or rather coloured themselves with white warpaint, so close enough when a genetically enhance walking tank armoured warrior

 Ronin_eX wrote:
Yup the Tale of Two-heads Talking is actually a Rogue Trader era story and when you read it, it definitely shows. It still has the concept of marines retiring and even raising families. A lot of the exact bits of the story don't quite mesh with modern fluff so it isn't explicitly canon anymore, even if it is awesome. But it is the only real explanation currently on record as to why the Deathwing are painted bone (though in the short story they were described as rubbing ash on their armour, so the actual colour would be a colder grey-white). If GW doesn't stick with the Tale of Two-heads talking being the actual reason for the colour swap then I hope they spend a bit of time explaining the heraldry of the Chapter since it is by far the most interesting and varied of any chapter and deserves a bit of fluff to explain it.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Ozymandias wrote:
The Native American thing still exists to a degree. In the last codex they even mention Two Heads Talking and the Deathwing but claim it is an allegorical tale that recruits learn as they go up the ranks of the DA. Basically telling a series of stories preparing them in case they ever become a DW and learn the truth of the Fallen DA.

Which I found odd, as Deathwing had nothing to do with the Fallen and everything to do with Genestealer cults.

Puscifer wrote:
Just a quick one...

With the current issue of white dwarf having a Dark Angel on the back, inside cover, doesn't that just scream a September/October release and not November?

Just throwing that one out there.

Stickmonkey wrote:Ok, debated posting this, as my sourcing is thin here. But I figured I would go ahead and pass it along, just know that this is very very tenuous, so place a large shaker of salt along side it.

The DA siege model is a DA only Techmarine with what I'm being told is a Mole Mortar. Now, those of you who have been around as long as I have (Hello RT) know the Mole Mortar was a Squat weapon that fired a tunneling shell. In my opinion and so far as i know, this really doesn't have fluff or other basis to be DA only, but then you look at some of the other new stuff, and I don't know.

From my informant...
The model is a tracked platform, similar in size to the thunder fire cannon. Techmarine rides on a platform to the side and has a harness with a single shell it is loading into the top of the mortar. The mortar is a cylinder angled into the ground, target screen off to the side where the Techmarine is manipulating it. Two additional models appear as shells bursting from the ground. One assumes they are some form of placement marker for the devices effect. Both Techmarine and mortar have DA iconography. Finecast.

Again, this is rumor, I'm just passing it along.


Also, with regard to Sammael. He is on the new release list I saw. Now he was just finecasted this summer, so he would not be on that list unless he's a new model or a new to finecast model. Well with him being release in finecast, he's not the later. So either the information was bogus to begin with, or we should have a new Sammael in one form or another in a few months time.

Cheers.

 Marthike wrote:
This sounds like a weird tank and one will never be used.

If its AV10,10,10 then unless it first demolisher equivalent rounds and is below 100 points no one will ever even go close to the thing

Stickmonkey wrote:Ok boys and girls. Not going so far as to call these rumors, as I have word only of some drawn art assets, but it could point to potential models and rules so passing it along.

First:
Ravenwing.
Got some art of an attack bike with what could be a plasma blaster in the gunner side. definitely plasma. but multiple barrels. could also just be TLPG but the source said it was one weapon not side by side when asked.
Second shot has a squadron of bikes, 6 bikes + attack bike riding down orks, in the air is a landspeeder, but it has underslung missle pods. Could certainly be creative license.

Deathwing.
Got art of Termie with a plasma cannon, back pack and hoses running behind.
Termies fighting chaos, one with LC and Cyclone launcher, the rest SB and PF, SGT in front with PS. Lends credence to mixed squads being present.

Other.
Art of supposed new flyer does very much resemble the lightning, with a landspeeder-esque body.
Shot of chaplain in TA fighting a hellbrute. So obviously wasn't meant for DV as that chaplain is PA.
Techmarine firing unknown weapon. Looks like a punisher cannon. supported with servo harness and held at hip. one servo arm is feeding belt ammo into it.


Like I said, no idea if any of this will be used, but it certainly is interesting towards rumors.


Could that Techmarine weapon be the new siege weapon you mentioned earlier?
Doubtful, the siege weapon was described as a tracked platform...like the thunderfire. this art is a single techmarine with a heavy weapon.

One thing, I've gotten a lot of rumors winging my way of techmarines. IMHO I am not certain some of it might not be for something else down the road. There is no particular fluff reason I'm aware of DA would have a greater than normal emphasis on TM. Iron hands, sure. But not DA.

Edit: Or possible as a first founding chapter there is just more artificer armor present and the art is being mistaken for techmarines...


The new aircraft sounds like it's sleeker than the Storm Talon, which is also promising.
Don't count on it...my source called it a "Pregnant Albatross". Said it has a big engine intake behind the cockpit.

Shot of chaplain in TA fighting a hellbrute. So obviously wasn't meant for DV as that chaplain is PA.

 Kanluwen wrote:
A Techmarine with a minigun...

Well. That's getting bought.

 pretre wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
A Techmarine with a minigun...

Well. That's getting bought.

lol. "You had me at minigun..."

 SickSix wrote:
These two things make me wonder if the DA codex doesn't turn out to be a test run for the SM codex once again....

Theophony wrote:
Because they are Darkplasma miniguns that fire Dark plasma. The Darktechmarines keep these in the vault on the rock. They also can upgrade the dreads to dark fists and dark mortis dreads.

Couldn't resist. But will probably be put on a rumor monger list now.

commander astelan wrote:
if the watchers in the dark are robed squats then the fallen win...

Minx wrote:
From the comment section of http://collegiatitanica.blogspot.com.au/2012/09/games-day-australia-2012.html

Messanger of Death: wrote:Jeremy Vetock

- Very enthusiastic guy who was showing off the 'Eavy Metal teams Dark Vengeance miniatures.

- He has COMPLETED two Codices. (...)

- Wasn't able to talk about what he has been working on in any detail. I asked if any of his Codices were related to the Dark Vengeance release. He stated one of them "might" be... by the end of the conversation sounded like Chaos Space Marines and we "won't have to wait long".

 MightyGodzilla wrote:
Ironwing. Pshaw. Pics or it didn't happen.

 Hrontore Da Death Bringer wrote:
anyone want the ares to be an official kit. could be the new seige?

 Hrontore Da Death Bringer wrote:
anyone want the ares to be an official kit. could be the new seige?

 The_Chaplain wrote:

I for one actually hope we get an Ironwing option, just for fans of green marines.

 GhostOfCaliban wrote:
As an aspiring DA player, I really hope this Codex: Dark Angels stands them apart from the rest in a unique way. The way BA and SW codex's did for them. New rules for "Get's Hot" would be great. My first game with the Dark Vengeance set was a disaster lol. I lost SM Sergent, PC, AND PG to "Get's Hot" within two rounds of shooting.

 mattyrm wrote:

 GhostOfCaliban wrote:
As an aspiring DA player, I really hope this Codex: Dark Angels stands them apart from the rest in a unique way. The way BA and SW codex's did for them. New rules for "Get's Hot" would be great. My first game with the Dark Vengeance set was a disaster lol. I lost SM Sergent, PC, AND PG to "Get's Hot" within two rounds of shooting.

You are aware that you get your armour saves right?

I'm just asking because that seems staggeringly unlucky, I think in all of my 40k career Ive only lost 2 or 3 guys to gets hot. If your unlucky enough to roll a 1, you dont usually follow it up with a 1 or a 2! And when I very first started playing I remember thinking a gets hot roll was at ap2.

 mattyrm wrote:

 GhostOfCaliban wrote:
As an aspiring DA player, I really hope this Codex: Dark Angels stands them apart from the rest in a unique way. The way BA and SW codex's did for them. New rules for "Get's Hot" would be great. My first game with the Dark Vengeance set was a disaster lol. I lost SM Sergent, PC, AND PG to "Get's Hot" within two rounds of shooting.

You are aware that you get your armour saves right?

I'm just asking because that seems staggeringly unlucky, I think in all of my 40k career Ive only lost 2 or 3 guys to gets hot. If your unlucky enough to roll a 1, you dont usually follow it up with a 1 or a 2! And when I very first started playing I remember thinking a gets hot roll was at ap2.

Stickmonkey wrote:Hello boys and girls,
I've rested and recovered from the insanity of GDUK, really enjoyed meeting lots of people. If I met you there, cheers.

Down to business.

Right now info I have is we will see DA in November, and we can play with them before Christmas.

From the rules rumor dept I have a few bits, please bear in mind these are only rumors:

HQ:
Azrael
Belial - not needed for deathwing
Sammael - not needed for ravenwing
Azmodai
Ezekiel
Barakiel - named Techmarine/master of the forge! Note: barakiel is known as Angel of Lightning in references
Sabrael - guardian of the inner circle, gives bonus to inner circle unit
Librarian
Company Master TA option
Interrogator chaplain
Command squad ( option to take TA or bikes with Belial or Sammael respectively, and apothecary, standard bearer, 1 heavy weapon)

Elite:
Techmarine
Chaplains (x3 can function independently like sanguinary priests in BA, or form a unit w special rules). Only characters if independent.
Inner circle unit ( name is not known) tasked with hunting down one enemy unit, special rules for doing so. Can death wing assault, can assault on deep strike. But glass cannon, great in assault, but standard PA so will be easily shot up.
Brother-interrogators - this unit wears chaplain style death masks, but are not chaplains, they are a specialist unit adept at near range combat, standard armament is dual bolt pistols and power maul. Can upgrade pistols.
Veterans
Dreadnought
Scouts

Troops:
Terminators
Tactical squad
Ravenwing Bike squad not sure how it differs from ravenwing assault squad.

FA:
Ravenwing assault squad
Ravenwing support squad
Assault marines
Ravenclaw air superiority fighter

Hvy
Predator
Whirlwind w flakk options
Land raider
Devastator w flakk options
Dreadnought
Vindicator

Rumor is there is something else for the heavy slot too, but no info specific to it.

Fortifications:
Siege cannon ( this is supposedly the Techmarine cannon described earlier)
Battle bunker

That's enough to chew on for now....might be a few more surprises...and this is still just RUMOR folks...names and all.

Cheers