Azazelx wrote: At best, the first few boxes out the door will be late Nov. But they can't ship almost 4k boxes in a week, so it would be well into December at best. It might depend on how committed to retail for this Christmas they are.
Regardless, I'm turning my own internal timetable to February, and if it magically arrives sooner than that, great.
so basically it's done bar (re)printing the stuff that got messed up, so late September (prior ship prediction) + 6-8 weeks = November some time ?
Remember, that was "Late August-September" followed by "we really meant late September", so I'd cross off any chance of 6 weeks, and go with 8+ weeks. At best.
Which factions did you end up getting?
I went "all in" on Teknes and Goritsi and I'll probably get Hadross later on - if I end up liking the game and the overall miniature quality, of course!
All the factions. When I figured out you could get all the stuff for all the factions for like $420 my decision was made. Especially considering what it would cost retail just based on the stuff up for pre-order so far. Which is $900 bucks just for the basic $200 pledge, extra faction unit for each faction, and the big bad. That doesn't even count the 3 special characters that came with the base set, the extra specialist models, or the cost of the three leader models that were a $15 add-on in the kickstarter. It's a sweet, sweet deal
I also grabbed extras of some of the big guys because I love most of the models and the idea of playing with a bunch seemed fun
Between this coming in, Armada, and DZC finally going plastic I'm done with new games for a bit. Gonna have to much to paint. Super looking forward to my Shael Han and Nasir for this though. The other factions look fun and I'll paint them but mostly for demo's/getting people into the game.
I'd started being more sensible by the time this one started so
I got all the Goritsi (except the Ravenscar blokes which I just didn't like at all),
plus a the basic pledge for Nasier as a backup force (which if I ever actually play will probably suit me best even if I don't feel the connection I do to the Goritsi)
Shae Han iron lotus girls, and the warhawk/winterchild set (mainly for the bonus deathbloom girl) to paint
Azazelx wrote: At best, the first few boxes out the door will be late Nov. But they can't ship almost 4k boxes in a week, so it would be well into December at best. It might depend on how committed to retail for this Christmas they are.
Regardless, I'm turning my own internal timetable to February, and if it magically arrives sooner than that, great.
so basically it's done bar (re)printing the stuff that got messed up, so late September (prior ship prediction) + 6-8 weeks = November some time ?
Remember, that was "Late August-September" followed by "we really meant late September", so I'd cross off any chance of 6 weeks, and go with 8+ weeks. At best.
Which factions did you end up getting?
I went "all in" on Teknes and Goritsi and I'll probably get Hadross later on - if I end up liking the game and the overall miniature quality, of course!
I got the $200 set. I asked them to unlock my pledge, as I may add a second one, and a couple of dragons. Not necessarily planing to play WoK, I might, of course, but my main reason is to as use them as figures for Kings of War. The problem with me was that each faction has some figures I really like as well as some that I feel look terrible, so there's no "hook" to get me all-in on any given one. The one with the Wolfen would be closest to liking all of.
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cincydooley wrote: Yeah, Az, I think you may be In better shape than you expect because they're gonna ship from China to all the Pan-Asian areas.
That would be lovely, but I'm not going to get my hopes up. That way leads to way too much disappointment and being pissed off. Better to assume Feb and then be happy if it turns up earlier, you see.
I'd agree they look to be in the game for the long haul,
and there should be at least a years worth of extra releases produced during the KS so there will be a steady stream of stuff to keep the interest of new retail buyers (I doubt they'll release everything all at once)
I'm certain CMON really wants to get a game going with better mass appeal than Dark Age (which they have supported pretty well despite it never catching on in a big way) and they seem to think Wrath of Kings is going to be it
Yeah, the gameplay on this looks smooth. I'm hoping it gets constant support. At least I'm in a spot once I get 2 factions painted up of being able to demo and provide models for gaming to get it started. I know our local area is hungering for a fantasy-esque game so hopefully this is the one.
and there should be at least a years worth of extra releases produced during the KS so there will be a steady stream of stuff to keep the interest of new retail buyers (I doubt they'll release everything all at once)
I'm certain CMON really wants to get a game going with better mass appeal than Dark Age (which they have supported pretty well despite it never catching on in a big way) and they seem to think Wrath of Kings is going to be it
I just don't get why Dark Age has not grown in popularity. Fun game. I assume the theme is a turn off?
Well damn. I think I forgot to buy in for the KD Twilight Knight crossover model. Pledge manager is closed for good? I don't suppose anyone bought extra?
(and there will be fewer floating around than you'd think as we were limited to one per faction you bought the main starter for)
If you contact CMON they might be able to open the PM
but when I did so for the Shae Han dragon shown recently I was told if I added anything it would be 'at my own risk' which I take to mean if they didn't have it to spare I'd have wasted my money...
(fine for the Dragon which would be headed to retail so should have a large surplus, but pretty risky for the TK, but if you're prepared to gamble worth a try)
That's weird. I didn't get that response. And mine is currently still open. Hit me up via PM Breotan if you want me to add it. All my other stuff has been locked in for months but I was considering getting the zombicide models so I had them re-open mine. Might also grab the full load out of the Hadross big beasty since I grabbed the full load out on the other 4 factions and I'm a bit of a nut. Plus it's pretty
Terrance was kind enough to unlock my PM when I emailed him. Give it a try.
edit - Mne was for a dragon and some other stuff, not a TK. I didn't get any "at my own risk" message, though - and realistically I don't foresee any problems.
Are there any good pics of the Orsund Cavalier out there?
First time poster, had to register to ask: does anyone else think the radio silence regarding production means another delay is incoming and they don't want to post that while the base kickstarter is active? I am also starting to think the flood of images is to distract us from the fact they aren't giving real updates. Thoughts?
wildcardd wrote: First time poster, had to register to ask: does anyone else think the radio silence regarding production means another delay is incoming and they don't want to post that while the base kickstarter is active? I am also starting to think the flood of images is to distract us from the fact they aren't giving real updates. Thoughts?
No.
They had production issues with some of the written material. The plastic stuff is good to go, as represented by all the images in the updates.
Yeah, not worried about it. I hope to see this stuff in December. I'm also hoping Adepticon has a tournament for it on Friday. Cause that would be perfect since I can't convince the Epic guys to move theirs
wildcardd wrote: First time poster, had to register to ask: does anyone else think the radio silence regarding production means another delay is incoming and they don't want to post that while the base kickstarter is active? I am also starting to think the flood of images is to distract us from the fact they aren't giving real updates. Thoughts?
No.
They had production issues with some of the written material. The plastic stuff is good to go, as represented by all the images in the updates.
It went from "Late August, maybe September" to "we really meant late September" to "+6-8 weeks for the printing". So assume that's a full 2 months from the end of Sept/start of October and we're into the start of December. Add shipping time for the boxes to get to where the figures are, packaging time, and we're into January 2015 hoping they can get the shipping finished before CNY.
CMON Jenn said we would get another update Monday. I like the painted pics and all... It seems like they don't want to give a production update while another project is active in case further delays would hurt pledges. On the bright side, CMON Derek released a video today of more painted models and alt sculpts.
I think there is a small chance we get this pre-Christmas, but based on the lack of updating updates, I think it is unlikely. However, I am still excited for this. I may have my pledge reopened and pick up another starter so I can try to get others into the game if it ends up being fun. Currently debating between Teknes and Hadross (already getting the obligatory Goritsi).
the update announcing the printing issue delay was 13th August, and the delay was projected to be 6-8 weeks
that puts us at the very end of September through to the first 2 weeks of October, so I don't expect to hear anything more for another couple of weeks at least
Assuming the printing went ok second time round I'd be reasonably hopeful for US backers to get stuff this year but I begin to think the EU won't
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: the update announcing the printing issue delay was 13th August, and the delay was projected to be 6-8 weeks
that puts us at the very end of September through to the first 2 weeks of October, so I don't expect to hear anything more for another couple of weeks at least
Assuming the printing went ok second time round I'd be reasonably hopeful for US backers to get stuff this year but I begin to think the EU won't
It's the second week of October now - albeit early in the week. Do you really expect to hear that they're going to start shipping this week? Because, well,
I wouldn't be surprised to hear about stuff starting to leave the factory in the next week or so especially with Mr Black no longer distracted by the bases KS (he does seem to post more often before stuff happens than others at CMON)
then again I wouldn't be shocked to hear nothing either (it is KS after all)
How long stuff would take to get to CMON and then be packed and sent out from the time it leaves the factory... My magic 8 ball says 'future uncertain, check back later'
My prediction is now that the bases kickstarter is over they are free to announce a new round of delays without worrying about losing pledges elsewhere. Oh well, it will get here eventually, and it does look absolutely great. Wish I could paint that well.
wildcardd wrote: My prediction is now that the bases kickstarter is over they are free to announce a new round of delays without worrying about losing pledges elsewhere. Oh well, it will get here eventually, and it does look absolutely great. Wish I could paint that well.
Considering how long it seems to be taking them to get Arcadia Quest out, my guess is Wrath of Kings is ready to ship, but we won't hear anything until AQ finishes up.
Triple9 wrote: Considering how long it seems to be taking them to get Arcadia Quest out, my guess is Wrath of Kings is ready to ship, but we won't hear anything until AQ finishes up.
I would be okay with this. So would a lot of other people I think. I just don't see that happening. I think they would have let us know where things were currently- we haven't heard if all the figures were in their warehouses or anything, have we?
Once this ships out, CMON really won't have too many outstanding campaigns at that point- the perfect time to start either The Others or Rum/Ron and Bones, right?
I'm wondering which we'll see next.
Still surprised CMON hasn't tried their hand at a Heroquest/ Warhammer Quest style game. Arcadia could have gone that route, but after messing around with it the other day, it definitely is not an exploration heavy/ heroes vs the dungeon style game.
I thought we had in fact heard that the miniatures have already been produced, and now we're only waiting on the printed materials.
Also:
Creator CoolMiniOrNot 5 days ago
The delay in Update 94 (printing) was set to be resolved within 6-8 weeks from the date of that post. Unfortunately right now is Chinese National Day (A weeklong holiday running October 1-7).
We'll have a firmer idea of exactly what is going on after that, and I'm sure Mr. Black will update you then- right now he's been working to get all information and dates sorted so you guys know exactly what is going on and when.
Now we can add CND to list along with CNY I suppose...
Alpharius wrote: I thought we had in fact heard that the miniatures have already been produced, and now we're only waiting on the printed materials.
Also:
Creator CoolMiniOrNot 5 days ago
The delay in Update 94 (printing) was set to be resolved within 6-8 weeks from the date of that post. Unfortunately right now is Chinese National Day (A weeklong holiday running October 1-7).
We'll have a firmer idea of exactly what is going on after that, and I'm sure Mr. Black will update you then- right now he's been working to get all information and dates sorted so you guys know exactly what is going on and when.
Now we can add CND to list along with CNY I suppose...
Yup, thanks to CNY and CND the new ETA is still TBD.
Alpharius wrote: I thought we had in fact heard that the miniatures have already been produced, and now we're only waiting on the printed materials.
Also:
Creator CoolMiniOrNot 5 days ago
The delay in Update 94 (printing) was set to be resolved within 6-8 weeks from the date of that post. Unfortunately right now is Chinese National Day (A weeklong holiday running October 1-7).
We'll have a firmer idea of exactly what is going on after that, and I'm sure Mr. Black will update you then- right now he's been working to get all information and dates sorted so you guys know exactly what is going on and when.
Now we can add CND to list along with CNY I suppose...
If Relic Knights taught us anything, it is this: until minis are in hand CMoN is able to delay a project further. 11:59:59 delays are the norm, not the exception.
Triple9 wrote: Considering how long it seems to be taking them to get Arcadia Quest out, my guess is Wrath of Kings is ready to ship, but we won't hear anything until AQ finishes up.
If Relic Knights taught us anything, it is this: until minis are in hand CMoN is able to delay a project further. 11:59:59 delays are the norm, not the exception.
I mean, except they aren't.
I guess if you want to use Relic Knights, the project with whom they had a business partner that they are no longer partnered with making major decisions, as your only exemplar you could come to that conclusion. Their track record with pretty much every other project says otherwise.
I would be okay with this. So would a lot of other people I think. I just don't see that happening. I think they would have let us know where things were currently- we haven't heard if all the figures were in their warehouses or anything, have we?
I think they've started getting some of the plastics in house and the goal is still to get everything shipped before the New Year.
Once this ships out, CMON really won't have too many outstanding campaigns at that point- the perfect time to start either The Others or Rum/Ron and Bones, right?
I'm wondering which we'll see next.
If I had to guess, I'd say R&B, but I'm not entirely sure. I'm basing that purely on the "more info has come out lately about R&B than the others" basis.
Still surprised CMON hasn't tried their hand at a Heroquest/ Warhammer Quest style game. Arcadia could have gone that route, but after messing around with it the other day, it definitely is not an exploration heavy/ heroes vs the dungeon style game.
I wonder if that has something to do with the fact that, previously, they had Super Dungeon as a property they were publishing? I imagine you'd need a fair amount of playtest time to get something like that "right."
And I may be talking out of my ass, but for some reason I think CMoN might have secured the SMOG property from Smart Max. I really don't know if this is right, but I could have sworn I saw a brochure or something at GenCon that said this....
Triple9 wrote: Considering how long it seems to be taking them to get Arcadia Quest out, my guess is Wrath of Kings is ready to ship, but we won't hear anything until AQ finishes up.
Didn't they just start shipping last week?
Almost two weeks ago (first box went out the 26th), but t'm figuring in the time they sat on the AQ shipment after it arriving, in lieu of them finishing up shipping out Rivet Wars Wave 2. That's where my guess on WoK being ready to go, but waiting on AQ to finish up came from.
Triple9 wrote: Considering how long it seems to be taking them to get Arcadia Quest out, my guess is Wrath of Kings is ready to ship, but we won't hear anything until AQ finishes up.
Didn't they just start shipping last week?
Almost two weeks ago (first box went out the 26th), but t'm figuring in the time they sat on the AQ shipment after it arriving, in lieu of them finishing up shipping out Rivet Wars Wave 2. That's where my guess on WoK being ready to go, but waiting on AQ to finish up came from.
Don't quote me here, but I think they were shipping dogs of war at the same time too.
Since folk seem to be using Arcadia Quest shipping as a guide as to what might be happening with Wrath of Kings it should be pointed out that while the US (and Canadian) shipping is underway
the EU and APAC stuff is still in China and has not event started packing
why they could they not had have at least started packing in the many weeks it took for the US loads to travel by sea to the US, go through customs, sit in CMONs warehouse while they finished shipping of the other projects they were sending out I don't understand
It happened with Relic Knights and I was willing to give them a pass as it was the first shipping from china they'd done, and they were separating from Soda Pop but they've clearly not learned from their mistakes
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Since folk seem to be using Arcadia Quest shipping as a guide as to what might be happening with Wrath of Kings it should be pointed out that while the US (and Canadian) shipping is underway
the EU and APAC stuff is still in China and has not event started packing
why they could they not had have at least started packing in the many weeks it took for the US loads to travel by sea to the US, go through customs, sit in CMONs warehouse while they finished shipping of the other projects they were sending out I don't understand
It happened with Relic Knights and I was willing to give them a pass as it was the first shipping from china they'd done, and they were separating from Soda Pop but they've clearly not learned from their mistakes
Pure speculation here, but It wouldn't surprise me if they have to schedule shipping windows for that stuff. It's not like they have control of those 3rd party warehouses overseas.
But then again, as a NA backer, I don't have to wait as long as ya'll unless its on a non-NA KS, which, to be honest, I avoid if I can because of the shipping.
I really don't mind waiting longer (I actually expect to as the ship journey to Europe seems to take 2-3 weeks longer on average)
but thought that things are happening only to find out a month down the line that nothing has actually happened is really annoying
I really wish they'd say up front, "oh we've got the stuff to the 3rd party shipping warehouse it's down to them when they get to it, but we'll keep pushing them to start ASAP"
That way I don't get my hopes up until I've been told stuff is moving
(Come on CMON, your KS themselves keep getting better run, why oh why can't you get the coms afterwards sorted out both this and AQ had been going so well....)
Hello Backers, Mr. Black here, and I've received some news from our production manager.
I wanted to get you guys something sooner, but (as previously mentioned in the comments) last week (10-1 through 10-7) was Chinese National Day, which meant that our production factory was shut down the entire week.
Now that things have reopened and the initial post-holiday surge died down, we got a report from them on the status of Wrath of Kings.
Basically, they have reported to us that everything is running smoothly and they have given us an estimated completion time frame of early November.
What this means is that, if that estimated timeframe holds true, that everything for Wrath will be packaged, finalized, etc etc and will then be ready for the distribution process to begin.
While I would like to have more information for you guys, this was the extent of what our production manager could provide at this time- We're of course working to get any further information we can, but given this is the first week back from a weeklong holiday for our factory, it has proven to be somewhat difficult to get anything more conclusive than the early November timeframe.
I will update you as more comes in.
In the meantime we're working on a new Battle Report for you guys as well, which I hope to have posted up soon.
Gosh WoK is really doing well and will be nowhere near as late as RK
(although with SDE Forgotten King possibly hitting a very late December ship date (plenty of time for that to slip too) this is beginning to look embarrassing for CMON)
Sad to hear about the delays for backers of this. Judging by past CMON performance in getting their Kickstarter projects to retail should I expect to see this in summer or autumn 2015 or maybe later?
Gosh WoK is really doing well and will be nowhere near as late as RK
(although with SDE Forgotten King possibly hitting a very late December ship date (plenty of time for that to slip too) this is beginning to look embarrassing for CMON)
The material is a 'new' and 'improved' PVC - (allegedly) harder than what we've seen so far.
Better than the Relic Knights stuff - I think?
We hope.
I want a material that is easy to clean up. For the most part it seems like it captures detail fairly well, not resin quality but consider the medium for gaming purposes (durability, price point, etc) vs botique display miniature,
If I can't clean them up quickly, to ebay they go. took nearly 20 minutes to remove the mold lines on a Samaritan from SedWars, and there were still some left overs after I primed it.
Update #97
Oct 10 2014
Production Update (10/10/2014)
Basically, they have reported to us that everything is running smoothly and they have given us an estimated completion time frame of early November.
What this means is that, if that estimated timeframe holds true, that everything for Wrath will be packaged, finalized, etc etc and will then be ready for the distribution process to begin.
See you in...2015!
And hopefully before CNY!
Please?
I still think that is possible...
So basically we went from "fulfilment in mid-August, no, really" to "we really meant September" to "add 6-8 weeks" to "it's right on time - BTW, we meant finished in China in 6-8 weeks, not in your hands."
Is this one entirely shipping from CMON in the US, or from their "new" distribution hubs? Because if ANZ copies are coming from an AU hub and not the US, they've overcharged on shipping by a small fortune.
I don't think $15/$25/$40 depending on how much stuff you picked up is unreasonable for the costs of shipping stuff and paying the appropriate taxes to import stuff (depending on what part of the world you are in)
Also
you don't expect to have to pay extra shipping for projects where you've been given a fixed shipping quote if postage prices go up
so you shouldn't expect to benefit if a company gets a cheaper shipping solution together after you've paid your fixed shipping quote (the CMON Australia hub wasn't a thing during the WoK KS)
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: I don't think $15/$25/$40 depending on how much stuff you picked up is unreasonable for the costs of shipping stuff and paying the appropriate taxes to import stuff (depending on what part of the world you are in)
Also
you don't expect to have to pay extra shipping for projects where you've been given a fixed shipping quote if postage prices go up
so you shouldn't expect to benefit if a company gets a cheaper shipping solution together after you've paid your fixed shipping quote (the CMON Australia hub wasn't a thing during the WoK KS)
I've paid a fair bit more than that, and if the cost drops down to something like a quarter of what I paid, I don't think it'd be all that unreasonable, especially given that it's going to be 6+ months late
Using a shipping hub requires shipping twice (to the hub and then to you), wages for people working at the hub, rent for warehouse space at the hub, etc. Not to mention they handle any customs duties. So I'm not sure how much cheaper it realistically is, but it sure saves me some hassle.
I think any amount of overcharge is a bargain if it means I don't have to deal with the sociopaths at Customs.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: I don't think $15/$25/$40 depending on how much stuff you picked up is unreasonable for the costs of shipping stuff and paying the appropriate taxes to import stuff (depending on what part of the world you are in)
Also
you don't expect to have to pay extra shipping for projects where you've been given a fixed shipping quote if postage prices go up
so you shouldn't expect to benefit if a company gets a cheaper shipping solution together after you've paid your fixed shipping quote (the CMON Australia hub wasn't a thing during the WoK KS)
I've paid a fair bit more than that, and if the cost drops down to something like a quarter of what I paid, I don't think it'd be all that unreasonable, especially given that it's going to be 6+ months late
Sorry didn't realise there were different rates for this one, I thought it was one standard 'overseas' cost, or free for those in the US
I would be pretty surprised if this shows up before 2015. A successful kickstarter seems to be double edged sword. I think this game would have ultimately been much more successful with a somewhat smaller kickstarter with just the core boxes launching 4-5 months ago, and then additional boxes coming later. The long delays on this have basically squandered a lot of the excitement.
lord_blackfang wrote: Using a shipping hub requires shipping twice (to the hub and then to you), wages for people working at the hub, rent for warehouse space at the hub, etc. Not to mention they handle any customs duties. So I'm not sure how much cheaper it realistically is, but it sure saves me some hassle.
I think any amount of overcharge is a bargain if it means I don't have to deal with the sociopaths at Customs.
Not sure. I know later campaigns have charged substantially less than this one for the shipping. And yes on customs. It's rare, but I've had two boxes over the years totally destroyed in shipping from the US. Like, reboxed by AU post/customs
Backers! Mr. Black here, and I'm here with a production update for you all.
So, I've received more information from our production manager and I'm happy to say according to our Chinese Manufacturer all issues, complications, setbacks, goblins, and delays have been corrected and nullified!
In addition, I've been updated that Wrath will be dispatched from the Chinese warehouse to our US Hub by November 5th.
Our US warehouse has already begin initial planning and preparations so that when Wrath arrives state-side we can quickly get it sent out to everyone.
In the meantime, I will update you guys with the vessel information as soon as it is available so that you guys can track it as it makes its way across the sea.
We're almost here, dear backers, and everyone here at CoolMiniOrNot thanks you for your support during this campaign and after.
Wrath of Kings is almost upon us!
-Mr. Black
So most likely 'only' 7 months late - not too bad in Kickstarter land...
So while we wait for the boat to arrive here in the US, I've gathered up some images of the box packaging that China sent us before shipping everything out.
In addition, I have some up-close-and-personal images of the Twilight Knight box, as that model, being one of the resin specials, was handled here in the US.
First up, the main boxes from China:
And now moving into the Twilight Knight box, which will also show you just what you should expect in each package:
That box got passed around a bit, so excuse any dings and marks on it! The ones you guys will be getting are pretty and clean.
We're only a short time away, backers! Wrath of Kings is almost upon us!
The Twilight Knight arrives in Arikania!
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Greetings, backers! Today we have for you a look at the studio model of Dame Allison, the Twilight Knight, painted by Jen Haley. This resin Kingdom Death crossover is a Kickstarter exclusive mini!
They haven't actually indicated it will ship soon, have they? Or was that in an older update? If they were about to, you'd expect them to be broadcasting as much, especially to inspire holiday sales after shipping to backers.
ETA 11/30 in LA then add time to transport to Atlanta and pack inidividual orders, US backers might just have it for Christmas. I'm hearing something about issues and strikes on the west coast though that could be a factor.
As an EU backer I'm expecting a February delivery.
I would still consider backing CMON KSers, just not any that are minis based.
Game like zombicide is a board game that ha niffy minis with it. It wasn't marketed or treated like a "miniatures game" like 40k, Infinity, Dark Age, Anima, etc. Minis are not a focal point. Where as a like sedition wars was marketed with quality models and was a focal point in their pitch. Yes, it was packaged like a board game, but was sold as high quality minis first and foremost and was emphasized on the kickstarter. I had plans to treat it as part of the "hobby" and not a fun game in a box with friends like zombicide.
If I'm disappointed, I wonder if I can email my box to Chris Kluwe for him to punt?
I've been known to be slightly slowed, but it does say what I thought it said.
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I ordered 2 starters (squid people and pig people) and the zombicide minis.
looking at the KS comments there are a few people who say they got it but only ordered the zombicide minis? Am I getting two separate packages? If so I will has the sad and be confused as that doesn't seem to be economically sound on behalf of CMON? Just ship it all at once.
And despite people in the comments reporting tracking numbers
Shipping Update (12/8/14)
Hey guys, Mr. Black here, and I've got some shipping news for you- both good and bad.
For the US
Alright, so we're in a bit of a weird situation here. As those of you who have been tracking the shipping vessel may know, it's been parked outside port for a bit now. For those of you also unaware, the reason for this is there is a massive strike going down in the ports- nautical transport has slowed down to a crawl due to this.
Its frustrating as this is, of course, pushing is further back into delays when the product is literally sitting, blocked, off the coast. W're working to see if there is anything on our end we can do, but since this problem is extended to all ships and cargo out there, there doesn't seem to be much aside from waiting for us to be processed :(
Hopefully we'll be processed and pass through this week. This is an unfortunate update, but we will keep you informed as we get more information.
For the EU
Meanwhile, on the other side of the pond, we've received word from China that they are working hard on packaging everything to be sent to the German hub. We did not receive clear news as to exactly where they are in the process (aside from "well underway") but we're in contact with them as I type this to get a clear definition of where they are. Having dealt with them extensively on other projects, I would assume that they will be ready to ship out soon- but I will leave those specifics for our Production Manager to give me
Per normal, once EU is finished and on the way to Germany China will begin direct shipping Asia and RoW will be handled. So everywhere except the US right now things are on steady track.
We'll update you as soon as get additional information in regards to the US or EU.
As always, we thank you for your support
-Mr. Black
so I'm guessing people were getting tracking based on CMON printing off labels in anticipation of stuff arriving, but it looks like that's not going to happen soon, and as 'no essential, non perishable' even after the strike is finished it will probably take an age for them to be landed at the port
Backers! We've received word from the West Coast. It appears the strike is over and now the grueling backlog of all vessels is being sorted.
We expect to clear customs and be on the rails toward Atlanta this week. Meanwhile word from China is that they're sorting out all their own shipping backlogs as well (again in part due to the setbacks on the west coast). They said they are progressing forward on the EU shipments and will let us know as soon as they get everything cleared out as well, so hopefully we'll have an update there soon.
In the meantime we also have a video to showcase the Gold Foil Cards that were available during the campaign:
Lovin' the C.A.G.E. - and I had no idea that it was a suit of 'power armor' until now!
Update #107
Jan 2 2015
Technomantic Might for Teknes!
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The C.A.G.E. (Combat Augmenting Galvanic Engine) is a suit of power armor that turns an ordinary man into a massive fighting machine. Here’s a look at a plastic (PVC and polystyrene) model painted up for our Teknes demo army.
You can just see the face of the operator inside.
The C.A.G.E. is mounted on a 50mm base. Here he is next to a human Lineman and a Union Worker for size comparison. A very useful addition to a Teknes force!
--Jen Haley
Since the campaign unlocked 'alternate parts' for the big monsters, I'm glad I got two of these guys!
I think the huge left hand really unbalanced the CAGE sculpt. Hopefully there will be significantly more to post about in this thread soon. I am eager to begin cutting all the ridiculous techno garbage off of my Goritsi and start painting.
RiTides wrote: Man I love the look of that PVC and polystyrene combination kit, so much better than having PVC weapons. Well done, here!
Elizabeth Beckley painted up one of the PVC Shael Han Dragons, too. I'll see if I can pull the picture up and put it here as well. Looks very, very nice.
As our shipping department works like mad getting orders out the door... Here's a look at some plastic Carcharian Frenzies and their leader, painted up for our Hadross demo force! They're pretty nasty combatants. And they're giant shark men. GIANT SHARK MEN!
Well, 5 days ago they said "Asia/RoW: You will be receiving an Update this week." and then posted pictures of shark-men instead. Since it's now Sunday, and they're not Raging Heroes, I don't expect any updates to actually happen "this week"...
My biggest hope is that everything I ordered is in the box.
The last few mini KSers I've had ship were all missing stuff (that were all eventually corrected) and it wasn't just the usual Mantic shenanigans. CMON goofed on my Rivet Wars and Arcadia stuff too.
If people are receiving stuff before getting a shipping notice, that makes me hopeful. Did you notice if they'd already labeled it in the pledge manager? I noticed that all of my previously shipped games all have the tracking information stored in there.
My biggest hope is that everything I ordered is in the box.
The last few mini KSers I've had ship were all missing stuff (that were all eventually corrected) and it wasn't just the usual Mantic shenanigans. CMON goofed on my Rivet Wars and Arcadia stuff too.
If people are receiving stuff before getting a shipping notice, that makes me hopeful. Did you notice if they'd already labeled it in the pledge manager? I noticed that all of my previously shipped games all have the tracking information stored in there.
Mine hasn't been updated, but it wouldn't surprise me if you get it before the shipping stuff is updated. It's certainly happened in the past!
Getting closer, and some have already shipped (obviously!):
#109
Wrath of Kings Shipping Update 1/14/2015
Posted by CoolMiniOrNot
Greetings Backers,
This is a lite update but we wanted to post all the same to keep you all in the loop.
We are still staging and prepping the US Hub, but as some of you are aware we have begun to trickle out orders in the process. You should see an increase in pledges arriving as time goes on over the next few weeks. Meanwhile, the APAC Hub is in full swing and should be completed very soon.
The shipment for EU backers is en route (Ship: Eleonora Maersk) to Europe and we expect it to arrive by the end of the month. Once it has been processed by the EU Hub we will begin to ship out to Europe. Our estimate is that the EU backers should be receiving their orders by the middle to end of February. That is still only an estimate, but as long as we do not have an unforeseen issues should be fairly accurate.
For the AU-NZ Backers we are expecting to have confirmation of receipt of the shipment from the AU-NZ Hub very soon. Customs for AU-NZ always provides delay, but should be on a very similar time frame as the EU Backers. Expect to receive your orders mid to late February.
As normal, once we have finished fulfillment for WOK we will post another update that will explain how to contact us about any missing orders or parts request, which we will be happy to assist with.
As always we are very grateful for your support and can't wait to hear what you think of Wrath of Kings. It has been a long time coming, and we are indeed thankful for you patience. Wrath of Kings is a great game and we can hardly wait to hear what you, the Backers, think once you receive it.
Mine should have arrived yesterday... USPS is being their usual dopey selves and not updating delivery dates. Based on where its at now I should have it on Friday.
I'm looking forward to it, but realistically its just going to go on the unassembled/unpainted pile.
Just got my shipment today in Los Angeles. Ancient King pledge, but just Nasier and Shael Han.
It's missing the Iron Eyes promo miniature, but hopefully everything else is there...haven't had a chance to check the contents of each individual box yet.
DrunkenBoxer wrote: Just got my shipment today in Los Angeles. Ancient King pledge, but just Nasier and Shael Han.
It's missing the Iron Eyes promo miniature, but hopefully everything else is there...haven't had a chance to check the contents of each individual box yet.
Several people have complained about not getting the iron eyes.
I have a feeling these packages were assembly lined, and the person in charge of packing Iron Eyes had their thumbs up their ass.
The real question is, will I be getting mine before Tamburlaine gets his? So far, the score remains in his favor, but maybe, just maybe I'll actually get my shipment first this time?
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS (he says in his most reptilian voice).
Got my shipping notice.
Supposedly Wednesday.
Hoping the box gets here earlier, but I guess I can survive on the piles of plastic, metal, and resin that are already in various states of completion.
Basically everything except the Shael Han and Hadross starters... at least for now.
Hmm... from those pics, these look like pretty typical PVC results, imo. Not bad for large models, but for man-sized models, definitely not the ideal material.
RiTides wrote: Hmm... from those pics, these look like pretty typical PVC results, imo. Not bad for large models, but for man-sized models, definitely not the ideal material.
Cheers for posting them, cincydooley.
That is what my initial thought of the pics as well, saw someone on facebook saying you have to use diamond files, you can't scrape them.
I'll wait to have them in my hand before declaring the sky is falling.
So quality looks just as bad as relic knights and sedition wars despite their 'new processes'. Well that keeps coolmini on the don't touch list for now.
UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote: So quality looks just as bad as relic knights and sedition wars despite their 'new processes'. Well that keeps coolmini on the don't touch list for now.
Considering you can't see mold lines except in extremely easy to clean spots on the models shown (which are Hadross and going to be the worst of the bunch for cleaning outside of maybe the Goritsi werewolves) I'd say that's a gross over exaggeration. Coupled with the people so far that have gotten it saying it cleans up fast and with remarkably limited mold lines and I'm just not on the same page as you. Plus plastic weapons is going to be a massive boon.
Each is entitled to their own opinion but everyone who's gotten them so far seems very pleased. Which is a totally different reaction from Sedition Wars. Granted, I don't know what the issues with the relic knights ones were as I didn't buy in on that one.
UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote: So quality looks just as bad as relic knights and sedition wars despite their 'new processes'. Well that keeps coolmini on the don't touch list for now.
Gee, who would have ever expected your sad and biased negativity?
Not me!
I've had multiple friends who have received theirs express how happy they are with the models. Especially at the price.
UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote: So quality looks just as bad as relic knights and sedition wars despite their 'new processes'. Well that keeps coolmini on the don't touch list for now.
Gee, who would have ever expected your sad and biased negativity?
Not me!
I've had multiple friends who have received theirs express how happy they are with the models. Especially at the price.
Gee who could have expected your paid for positivity ;-)
To be entirely fair some of the pre-release photos looked promising and I would like to have seen this be a turn around in quality, however based on the photos posted I can't see any improvement. However I will be looking to see some of these in the flesh as that is the real test. At the end if the day my opinion can only be bought with results not cold hard cash.
Thanks for the photos Cincey! I agree with RiTides that they look like pretty standard pvc results. The abs plastic weapons will move them up a notch in terms of potential results. I am a rare fan of the Sedition Wars minis, so I expect I will be content with these too. I think that the price and material combo will make these a hard sell to most people. Anything higher than the KS prices moves them out of the price range I'm willing to pay for restic minis. I think that some of the other factions may show better in pvc as the Hadross were always the weakest sculpts in terms of how they would look in pvc in my estimation.
His take away from the article (lots of pics so well worth clicking on above):
You’ll surely have noticed that this set is the same PVC plastic that we’ve been seeing more and more of from so many different companies lately. I was a little hesitant to back this product at first because of this, but the production samples I saw at gencon changed my mind. Having the actual models in hand I don’t regret my decision at all. Some of the problems with PVC are here, but they are minimal. There are some mold lines here and there but I didn’t notice anything too gnarly. The detail is really good too. I did my best to make it show through on all the pictures, but photographing tiny plastic can be tricky, and I don’t know if I did all of these figures justice.
I also think the benefits with PVC really do shine on these. Most people really dislike the stuff (I will freely admit that a really good polystyrene kit always wins) but the advantage it has (in addition to being cheaper to manufacture) is that it can make more three dimensional shapes since it’s bendy plastic and more irregular shapes won’t break coming out of the mold. I don’t think those War Dancers (who happen to be my faves of the set) could have been done with Polystyrene. Not the way they look now anyway. Of course if there’s anything I’ve learned from painting so many PVC figures is that if you take the time to clean them, they paint up as good as anything. And I am looking forward to painting these.
From his pics, I think the wolves look quite serviceable - chunkier organic models like this are definitely a better fit for the material.
The small vampire ladies, though... I'm not sure what he's seeing that I'm not, if anything, but they look like typical 28mm humans in PVC to me, with softer-than-ideal detail.
I.e, look at the hand and the handle/hilt of the sword here (edit: which turns out to be a badly done different material, ugh... see DaveC / Piston Honda's comments below)
It's like there's trying to be detail... but it's lost in the depths of the PVC (see DaveC's comment below), crying out to be released
Still, like I said, the chunkier wolves don't look bad. However, he also made this caveat:
Of course if there’s anything I’ve learned from painting so many PVC figures is that if you take the time to clean them, they paint up as good as anything. And I am looking forward to painting these.
A few things on this:
1. "Taking the time to clean them" is exactly the problem most people have with PVC. While a small minority of folks devoted to some of these projects claim otherwise, it is generally considered to be notoriously difficult to clean, and takes a lot of time/effort to accomplish... time you could be spending painting, etc.
2. He is a world class painter, so his saying that "they paint up as good as anything" does not necessarily mean much... there was a model in the Relic Knights thread where the painter had completely made up for the lacking detail on the model (I think the face in particular in that case) by skillfully adding whatever might be missing.
For me, the real story is in the pics and in what I know about the material first-hand, and I'm not seeing anything that is outside of my expectations here. Weapons that are not polystyrene will have a softer edge, detail will be shallower than with other materials, there will be some hard-to-remove mold lines, and they will generally only go together in a few configurations (and be difficult to convert due to the way the material cuts).
This is certainly fine for some applications (like those wolves, perhaps!). But especially for smaller models, it is not on par with metal, resin, or polystyrene, and I don't want people unfamiliar with it to think otherwise (because of supposedly "new formulations", etc) lest they get disappointed terribly like with Sedition Wars. For what it is, it's fine... let's just not make it out to be something it's not.
Probably not the best time to point out then that the weapon arm above isn't PVC the weapons on the frames are made from hard plastic (and really should have held detail better)
Having looked at the unboxing photos and pictures that were released prior to being in people's hands though RiTides I think there is going to be far less cleaning than there was even on the smaller sedition war models or the warmachine/hordes models.
We'll see but so far I'm seeing pictures of much nicer, cleaner, and sharper than the items in restic we've gotten before.
Photos looked good. Still excited for when this eventually gets here.
Point well taken, DaveC - however, in that case, I would not trust their polystyrene manufacturer, either (the same manufacturer?). We've certainly seen poor examples of polystyrene before - and That is most definitely one of them! They need to talk to Wyrd about how they get their fantastic Malifaux polystyrene models... (from WGF)
Edit: Just saw your edit, and yeah, agreed that it should have held the detail better... ugh. I wonder if it's their method, as that looks like a sword on a single sprue by itself?
Regardless, the wolves look pretty good, I'm guessing those are the "war dancers" that he says are his favorite, right? I'll definitely be watching for the octopus / etc, as I think those will turn out great.
That's a fair point, Orlando, and I'll reserve judgement. Safeties on, weapons lowered, etc etc
What really has me perplexed now is that polystyrene weapon. I've pinged a few folks who might know more about what causes something like this to be the case, when we know from so many other examples (GW, Malifaux, Dreamforge's currently shipping wave 3, etc) that the detail can be so much sharper than that.
RiTides wrote: Guess I should have picked a different pic
Point well taken, DaveC - however, in that case, I would not trust their polystyrene manufacturer, either (the same manufacturer?). We've certainly seen poor examples of polystyrene before - and That is most definitely one of them! They need to talk to Wyrd about how they get their fantastic Malifaux polystyrene models... (from WGF)
Edit: Just saw your edit, and yeah, agreed that it should have held the detail better... ugh. I wonder if it's their method, as that looks like a sword on a single sprue by itself?
Regardless, the wolves look pretty good, I'm guessing those are the "war dancers" that he says are his favorite, right? I'll definitely be watching for the octopus / etc, as I think those will turn out great.
Edit 2: Hulk, will you have yours at AdeptiCon?
The plastic used on the weapons is ABS (the stuff legos are made of) not the same stiff you see with GW or Wyrd.
Considering what they wanted it is probably the best choice, obviously they didn't want to go the HIPs route (for money/quantity reasons) but they tackled the issue of thin warped plastic using ABS.
I'm not sure what to make of ABS in miniature wargames as it is pretty much new to me. Does not snap like HIPs does, but does not hold the detail (via internet images anyway). But does not warp like PVC can't really say if it holds better detail, want to wait until I get them in my hands.
If you have any questions about plastics ask these guys they will answer anything and know their shhhtuff
Edit: In a perfect world ABS's durability is probably ideal for spears, this swords or pikes as you don't have to worry about metal bending or HIPs snapping (or resin). Though I am not sure how practical it would be for more companies to make thin fragile weapons in ABS.
Piston Honda, how do you know the weapons are ABS? The sprue pic certainly didn't strike me as HIPS, but I thought maybe it was just from a different provider... could you point to where you found that out / etc?
Didn't go whole hog into this one simply because I wasn't too interested and had other things vying for my money at the time and just grabbed some things a la carte.
The photos people are posting of the finished products don't look so bad. I keep reading peoples' comments on making allowances for the material (it's not the best, etc) and those reserving final judgement until seeing them in person. So maybe the take away for PVC, currently, is Results May Vary? I'll probably pick up some of those werewolves if I can remember to do so when they're released.
Right away, though, I noticed that those vampire ladies actually have distinguishable faces which is a big plus compared to my RK gals. But that's more to do with the sculpt and I'm not really worried about quality based on what has been shown so far as I wait for my stuff to arrive.
RiTides wrote: Piston Honda, how do you know the weapons are ABS? The sprue pic certainly didn't strike me as HIPS, but I thought maybe it was just from a different provider... could you point to where you found that out / etc?
A guy who works for CMON, Deke, told me. he has a fun youtube channel called Throne of Angels.
Also someone here on Daka who held the stuff at Gencon asked about the material and said they were ABS.
And of course, they already talked about this in an actual 'official' KS update...
Update #42
Sep 9 2013
Mold sneak peeks
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The first part of mold making is generating excellent masters, figuring out where cuts to the model need to be made, and creating the plugs for each piece.
Enjoy!
I know it was certainly talked about elsewhere too.
Thanks for that Alph (although those are pics of the masters and how they intended to make them - it's certainly interesting to see the final products).
From checking back in the thread I see lots of references to "hard plastic weapons" early on, which people assumed would be polystyrene, but obviously that didn't turn out to be the case. Ergh...
"ABS" was what the weapons were to be from fairly early on, IIRC.
Again, it certainly wasn't 'hidden', and was known as far back as September 2013!
But then all you have to do is look at Shadows of Brimstone to see that even HIPs isn't the Miracle Material without the necessary know-how up front in terms of sculpting and mold making...
There's so much stuff. So many pieces. So many knobs on feet I need to cut off since I don't want to drill holes into every single base. Figures are very characterful yet with the right paint could blend right in to my current collection.
A few gripes though.
The rulebook- I wish there had been more art. We've seen most of it already. The fact that they included the novel interspersed is all fine and dandy, but some new art would have been ace.
Also, and a far more grievous problem- no painting section! What kind of tabletop game doesn't have a show off the minis section? Shameful.
The bases are really recessed. Gotta fill them all with junk or the figures all have partial cover. On the other hand, these bases are perfect for those new base toppers CMON made with MicroArts.
Were we supposed to get dice included in our orders? I got a dice bag, but no dice. Wasn't sure on that one.
There's so much stuff. So many pieces. So many knobs on feet I need to cut off since I don't want to drill holes into every single base. Figures are very characterful yet with the right paint could blend right in to my current collection.
A few gripes though.
The rulebook- I wish there had been more art. We've seen most of it already. The fact that they included the novel interspersed is all fine and dandy, but some new art would have been ace.
Also, and a far more grievous problem- no painting section! What kind of tabletop game doesn't have a show off the minis section? Shameful.
The bases are really recessed. Gotta fill them all with junk or the figures all have partial cover. On the other hand, these bases are perfect for those new base toppers CMON made with MicroArts.
Were we supposed to get dice included in our orders? I got a dice bag, but no dice. Wasn't sure on that one.
Art focus seems to be a big problem with a lot of start up games. Little of it or not the best of work.
They seem to want to focus the hobby aspect online. It's not a bad thing or a good thing (personally) just their direction.
Number of people on the KS said they were designed with base inserts in mind.
That is not a dice bag, that is a tear bag. Collect the hopes and dreams of your opponents as they roll down his/her cheek.
I got my Goritsi today! My initial impressions are very positive. I put a couple together this evening. The material is a major step up over Sedition Wars and Mantic's offerings in the medium. It is a little bit more rubbery than the other PVC I own, cleans up very fast, and the models have very few moldlines. The faces on most of the human sized miniatures are very nice and comparable in detail to Perry heads (although some features likes lips are a bit finer). I found that I could even file off some of the mold lines with my regular hobby files. There is some warping that prevents some of the parts from fitting correctly (some Wolfen heads), but a couple seconds in front of a hair dryer and the material becomes very malleable and you can get rid of most of the warping. Some models come with ABS weapons, while some of them come with weapons from a harder mix of PVC similar to the sedition wars stuff. It seems that just the bigger monsters have a little bit of flex to the material, it is almost like 80% old sedition wars PVC mixed with 20% reaper bones and better detail than both. There are a few places I noticed on a few models where the detail looks a little bit soft, but overall, these are excellent for the price and a dramatic improvement over my previous experiences with PVC.
The Skorza Alpha is a work of art, and my favorite model of the bunch by far.
Let me know if anybody wants any pictures, and I will see what I can do.
I was expecting the shark men to be a bit bigger. They're not much bigger than the humans, and smaller than a Trollblood, who sits on a similar size base.
Fel Hammers are a tad bit bigger than the sharks, but are still a good head shorter than a Mantic ogre.
Maybe I'm just spoiled/ conditioned by Mierce's Darklands stuff that I assume everything is huge?
Loving my ashmen though. Those guys are going to get a lot of mileage in my home.
Really gives me hope for PVC figures going forward. There's a pretty discernible difference between these guys and a lot of previous restic efforts.
Well here are my initial reactions after playing with them for a few hours
overall positive, not blown away by them but that was obvious considering price point and material. These were not intended over ever advertised to be on the same plateau as say Arena Rex, Infinity or Dark Lands.
The artistic style does benefit from the material, it's hard say with improvements if the material can be used in other artistic art forms such as an Infinity style, 40k, etc. The exaggerated cartoon-ish (confrontation style) seem to work well.
There are mold lines present, even if you can't see them, they are there and more noticeable after you prime them. They are just no where near the roast beef mold lines Sedition Wars had.
Easier to clean than sedition wars... bit more than Relic Knights but not as easy as resin, metal or HIPs.
Detail as I stated is pretty much tabletop presentable, when you factor in sculpt quality and material they are better than a lot of other miniatures out there that look like they are from the 80s but would not compare them to Infinity. Comparing them to the resin, the body of the miniatures kept about 85 percent of the crispness (I probably made the number up). The only place(s) that excessive detail was loss is in the weapons made of ABS and very fine detail like teeth and very small crevasses. More than likely a concern for a painter than it would be to purely a gamer. Mostly.
Pieces are pretty much lie puzzles, slide through with ease, only a few did fit very well, should be a non-issue to anyone who has ever picked up a miniature.
Some pieces came warped, annoying but easy with with heat. An FYI to anyone, don't use boiling water to fix this type of plastic. The plastic tends to peel a bit like a sunburn when you do.
Bases are deep dishes (mmmmm Chicago deep dish pizza) I can see it being annoying for some but great for various scenic ideas, especially with Squid people.
The miniatures will take sometime to prep, whether you are a veteran or not, these will take longer than a space marine or Infinity model unless you have a carefree attitude on mold lines, I do not. I'm obsessive to an unhealthy degree.
I'm not disappointed by this kickstarter (like sedition wars) nor am I excited like I was with Arena Rex or Zombicide (although I treat Zombicide as a board game and not a hobby game).
So final grade and where do I stand with the material?
Miniatures aspect I would give it a C+
Factor in theme, presentation and what not B or B+ If you are looking for something different with a bucket of miniatures this may be fore you, have yet to play a game so I can't grade it at that end. CMON did a great job with Dark Age, I would assume they would do a great job with this as well.
It is no secret that I hate PVC, I accidentally coined the term "restic knights" (or didn't I?). I never felt PVC produced quality that bad in terms of maintaining features of the original sculpt. Sedition Wars was pretty solid in doing that minus the shrinkage on some large miniatures, capture quality on the WoK minis seem to be an improvement over those as well. The Issue has always been cleanup time.
If WoK only needed 5 to 10 miniatures to play I would get on these right away. But seeing how my hobby time has shrunk considerably, I don't see these minis getting any painting time or table time anytime soon.
CMON obviously wanted and envisioned a mass fantasy game with this, and that's fine by me, not every game can be Infinity or Malifaux sized. And think this game will have lots of lovely photos of battle reports of pig people clashing with squid people.
Would I back another kickstarter with this material sold as a "hobby game"
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Yeah, I probably would, depending on the theme of the game and number of miniatures it takes to play the game. If CMON came out with a new IP that required 40k like numbers no, but the size of Infinity or malifaux I would. Considering the price and tabletop presentable quality miniatures I would definitely consider KSing a game using this material.
Well, an "intro" battle according to the rules consists of a maximum of 16 figures per side- 2 leaders, 12 grunts, 2 specialists.
With the trade up rule, you swap out two rank 1 figures for a rank 2, you could have a battle with around a half dozen on each side. Easily done with a starter.
Hell, their skirmish level battle looks possible without any extra additions.
I'd try to get a game in this weekend, but silly CMON didn't bother supplying us with any dice...
I don't have enough d10s at the moment to play this properly. Going to have to go stock up. Basing material too.
Got my pledge, ended up w the Hadross and Goritsi sets. I'm actually pretty impressed. The detail I feel is quite good. Good improvement over Sedition Wars and Relic Knights IMO.
M<y only beef is with the Goritsi bases I'd ordered. I pledged for them as the KS pic indicated they were tomb bases with gravestones, candelabras, etc. What I got was some crappy dirt base, which I can make myself with no effort. Did they announce a change? Either way, I want either my bases or to be sent a decent replacement from another faction's line. >
I started painting up my Nasier guys (I put a few pics up in my gallery), and I'm flummoxed as to how I'm going to base them.
I think a trip to the hobby shop is in order today. Need some dice anyways, since CMON didn't bother giving us any in our dice/ opponents' tears bag. Thank goodness I'm done with work by lunch!
If nobody beats me to it, I'll try photographing one of those deep dish pizza bases when I get home.
Alpharius wrote: Are you saying that the Goritsi bases are NOT modified as said during the campaign?
That is, that they are are still cluttered/overly busy/hard to put an actual miniature on?
I was under the impressison the bits were separate pieces, so you could put them however you wanted, making it easier to pose minis on them. I wasn't aware of a change - did they announce this in comments? At minimum we should have gotten something like the micro art graveyard bases. What I got was just a dirt base. I'll post pictures tonight.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: I've seen one or two other reports of the Goritis bases not being what was expected (and no they didn't mention any change)
can we get some photos ? (nobody's shown any base inserts that I've seen)
Since I've ordered them too I shall be asking for a refund if they are not spooky graveyard stuff, as you say plain dirt is super easy to do yourself
Oh FFS. That's specifically why I pledged for those. Looks like I'll be asking for a refund as well. I'll also be asking why they charged me $80 shipping if it's coming from an AU hub as well.
Hey guys, Mr. Black here, and I noticed the comments on the Goritsi Bases.
So we tried to make sure everyone saw this during the campaign- The pictures of the bases shown were not guaranteed to be the final bases that people received. We noted quite a few times that it would be reliant on their ability to be cast as a single piece mold (since, at that time, we were venturing into that process before we moved onto the full run with the Micro Art Kickstarter)
The Goritsi bases specifically were not able to be cast in a single piece, more so, the original Groundwerks ones they are based off of didn't go very well with the Gortisi miniatures (the dynamic poses of the Goritsi combined with the smaller area provided by the Graveyard bases just didnt fit well together- too little space on the actual base) so they had to be changed.
If, however, you missed the comments about this throughout the campaign (understandable, as we're near 9000 comments) and are super unhappy with the Goritsi bases as they were provided then please contact us at support@cmon.com and we'll see about working something out for you.
Hey guys, Mr. Black here, and I noticed the comments on the Goritsi Bases.
So we tried to make sure everyone saw this during the campaign- The pictures of the bases shown were not guaranteed to be the final bases that people received. We noted quite a few times that it would be reliant on their ability to be cast as a single piece mold (since, at that time, we were venturing into that process before we moved onto the full run with the Micro Art Kickstarter)
The Goritsi bases specifically were not able to be cast in a single piece, more so, the original Groundwerks ones they are based off of didn't go very well with the Gortisi miniatures (the dynamic poses of the Goritsi combined with the smaller area provided by the Graveyard bases just didnt fit well together- too little space on the actual base) so they had to be changed.
If, however, you missed the comments about this throughout the campaign (understandable, as we're near 9000 comments) and are super unhappy with the Goritsi bases as they were provided then please contact us at support@cmon.com and we'll see about working something out for you.
-Mr. Black
The lesson there is don't put gak like that in the comments. Or if you do, make sure it goes in an update as well so people can change their orders.
I do remember them saying they weren't locked into what we were seeing. That said yeah, should have been in an update. But if they make good on it then it's still one of the smoothest kickstarters I've been involved in.
Between Titan-Forge, the debacle that was second wave Sedition Wars, the capacitors for the mini-leviathans that said they were packed but weren't with Dream-Forge, the Tablescape display not being a movable with models on it, Kingdom Death still not being finished, and I could go on. Most work out fairly well in the end (Deadzone went smooth because I only did terrain) and Zombicide actually showed up early for the game itself so I don't mind but this one is looking like a winner in comparison.
Granted, I didn't order any inserts no matter how tempted.
Hulksmash wrote: I do remember them saying they weren't locked into what we were seeing. That said yeah, should have been in an update. But if they make good on it then it's still one of the smoothest kickstarters I've been involved in.
Granted, I didn't order any inserts no matter how tempted.
Naturally everything is subject to some slight change from concept art, etc. Still, there's a huge difference between what was shown and the "dirt" that people are describing as the sort of stuff that most of us here on Dakka could knock up in 2 minutes with some sand and PVA. I bought them specifically based on the concept art to use as scenery elements/scenic markers/objective markers/etc for my wife's undead army, so what I'm hearing is too far removed for me to be happy with the final result.
I'm pretty sure I ordered the Shael Han inserts since they looked the most generic. I don't recall though, and I still haven't received a shipping notice, nor has my stuff mysteriously shown up yet. I look forward to setting them all aside with the rest of my KS stuff I haven't gotten to yet.
Here's what I got. Its just a quick prime and a wash to bring out detail, but its clearly not remotely similar, being a plain, slightly textured base with no tombstones/floor tiles.
Hulksmash wrote: I do remember them saying they weren't locked into what we were seeing. That said yeah, should have been in an update. But if they make good on it then it's still one of the smoothest kickstarters I've been involved in.
Granted, I didn't order any inserts no matter how tempted.
Naturally everything is subject to some slight change from concept art, etc. Still, there's a huge difference between what was shown and the "dirt" that people are describing as the sort of stuff that most of us here on Dakka could knock up in 2 minutes with some sand and PVA. I bought them specifically based on the concept art to use as scenery elements/scenic markers/objective markers/etc for my wife's undead army, so what I'm hearing is too far removed for me to be happy with the final result.
Same here.
And that is absolutely a far cry from a standard 'disclaimer' that things 'may' change to what is, supposedly, a very drastic difference.
Clearly they're built for you to have bought base inserts. Those things will just go into my bits box as I base what I'll use of this KS's figure for Kings of War.
And those bases they supplied are nothing but insulting. fething clownshoes.
Here's what I got. Its just a quick prime and a wash to bring out detail, but its clearly not remotely similar, being a plain, slightly textured base with no tombstones/floor tiles.
nope not acceptable in the least, I shall be asking for a refund (or an alternative) once they arrive
I didn't necessarily expect a prefect copy of the groundwerks stuff, but I did expect 'spooky graveyard' with flagstones & tombstones (even if they had fallen flat) not just scatter sand texture that I actually have to paint
I will say that $.50 per base (less really) isn't paying quite a bit extra considering what cast bases tend to cost. That said any amount paid toward what was expected vs. received needs to be addressed.
Yeah, it's a viewpoint thing. I don't throw away small amounts of money either. But I acknowledge when they are small amounts
Not saying it isn't a screw-up in what has otherwise seemed like a pretty solid kickstarter. It is. And you definitely deserve to either get what you paid for or your money back.
Worryingly somebody in the KS comments is implying he ended up with the same 'dirt' bases for his Shae Han
(but no photo links)
I wonder if they just did a single topper style for the whole game
(and why nobody is putting up more pictures.... Waaaaa my stuff is still on the EU boat...... I want to see what I'm going to get so I can get more worked up about not having it yet....Waaaa)
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Worryingly somebody in the KS comments is implying he ended up with the same 'dirt' bases for his Shae Han
(but no photo links)
I wonder if they just did a single topper style for the whole game
(and why nobody is putting up more pictures.... Waaaaa my stuff is still on the EU boat...... I want to see what I'm going to get so I can get more worked up about not having it yet....Waaaa)
I do not think it is still on the boat, I think it will be already in the customs check. :-)
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Worryingly somebody in the KS comments is implying he ended up with the same 'dirt' bases for his Shae Han
I got a variety of bases, as I'd originally backed JUST for the bases, as 50 cents a base is a good deal, particularly for 40/50mm (I later caved and upped to Forgotten King). All the others were delivered as promised. The person may have had a packing error, but the Shael Han I pledged for came with the expected Groundwerks mosaic ruins pattern. I'll post some pics later when I get home and can assemble a few things.
One thing that struck me is how rules lite the book seems incredibly light on rules material. There's only one diagram for LOS, nothing for targeting, movement, templates, etc. The game rules take up about 15 pages, but those are pages with massive headers, footers and margins. In comparison, Zombicide and Shadows of Brimstone have more rules crunch. I can't say if that's good/bad until I've played a game (battle report coming soon, circa 2023!) but it is rather surprising.
I am kind of happy about the very deeply dished bases; I had been contemplating making some of my own for semi-aquatic bases with clear resin water etc.
I am pretty sure the bases are the standard sizes PP uses, 30/40/50 mm, right? If so and someone really wants normal bases instead of dished ones, that someone can send me a PM and I can work out trading the normal bases for the dished ones. I have lots of those floating around. (Well, maybe just 100 or so.)
I might take you up on that for some of them Wehrkind. I will make my own aquatics for my Hadross with the deep ones and might pick up some solid resin cast ones for another of my armies but I wouldn't mind some standard ones for one of my forces or another. Since I bought all 5 armies but no inserts.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Worryingly somebody in the KS comments is implying he ended up with the same 'dirt' bases for his Shae Han
I got a variety of bases, as I'd originally backed JUST for the bases, as 50 cents a base is a good deal, particularly for 40/50mm (I later caved and upped to Forgotten King). All the others were delivered as promised. The person may have had a packing error, but the Shael Han I pledged for came with the expected Groundwerks mosaic ruins pattern. I'll post some pics later when I get home and can assemble a few things.
Ahh, that's a relief look forward to seeing what they delivered base wise
One thing that struck me is how rules lite the book seems incredibly light on rules material. There's only one diagram for LOS, nothing for targeting, movement, templates, etc. The game rules take up about 15 pages, but those are pages with massive headers, footers and margins. In comparison, Zombicide and Shadows of Brimstone have more rules crunch. I can't say if that's good/bad until I've played a game (battle report coming soon, circa 2023!) but it is rather surprising.
Ok, it will not increase the page count very much, but later there are many rules for the minis itself. So there are few more pages (around 15 for every faction, which could be easily without fluff reduced to 4), but still not much pages.
Hulksmash wrote: I will say that $.50 per base (less really) isn't paying quite a bit extra considering what cast bases tend to cost. That said any amount paid toward what was expected vs. received needs to be addressed.
Cheap gak is still gak. I got 2 sets ($40). That's quite expensive for what amounts to a handful of sand. If they delivered something like what was actually advertised, then yeah, they'd be inexpensive per unit for a worthwhile product.
It's not as fine as I'd like it to be, but it still cost a buck and it's easy to fill my grimdark pizza pans with.
My sand costs the time it takes to scoop it from the ground.
So, I got my four boxes of Goritsi (werewolves were all I wanted) today. Probably won't ever use the rules, but I like to support competition to GW and I figure I can use werewolves somewhere in my vast Fantasy range.
Oh, I got the Twilight Knight crossover, too. Sad that it's it's the same crap that Mantic/PP/CMoN makes their stuff from so bleh on that. Still, it's a Poots' figure so it'll go into the stack of "not till I'm actually good at painting" with the rest.
PS: One more KS down (stick a fork in it, baby). Three to go.
It's not as fine as I'd like it to be, but it still cost a buck and it's easy to fill my grimdark pizza pans with.
My sand costs the time it takes to scoop it from the ground.
So, I got my four boxes of Goritsi (werewolves were all I wanted) today. Probably won't ever use the rules, but I like to support competition to GW and I figure I can use werewolves somewhere in my vast Fantasy range.
Oh, I got the Twilight Knight crossover, too. Sad that it's it's the same crap that Mantic/PP/CMoN makes their stuff from so bleh on that. Still, it's a Poots' figure so it'll go into the stack of "not till I'm actually good at painting" with the rest.
PS: One more KS down (stick a fork in it, baby). Three to go.
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Which means when I have it in hand at the end of next week I'll be contacting CMoN about the Gortisi bases and also the US$80 they charged to ship it to me from Geelong. Based on my SDE order and how much eParcel costs, it should be a fraction of that.
My Goritsi and Teknes came in earlier this week, but I just now had a chance to open them and give them a quick eyeball.
Caveat, I'm just squinting through the outside plastic here, but this is some of the nicest PVC I've seen. You can tell CMON spent a lot of time properly tooling for the material. No egregious mould lines across highly textured areas. No super skinny ankle/wrist joints that you know will never properly straighten. They appear to have supplied the packers with sidecutters (Mantic, take note).
The proof will be how well everything pegs together, but I'm pretty optimistic on first glance.
The recessed bases have me scratching my head, but I'll probably just take a cue from Flames of War and cover with a layer of drywall mud and add texture before it dries. The pegged figures will work nicely with that approach.
Only figures I've had any difficulty with assembling were the big hairy bull guy from Nasier (Rathor I believe?) and the giant octopus for Hadross. Neither wanted to connect with their intended torso pieces.
I've been filling in bases with sand and white glue, and as it dries, I've been plugging the figure in and pulling them out to create a spot for the pegs to go. It's worked out well so far.
I've got to say overall they're pretty nice figures considering the material. I was putting together some Mantic restic stuff circa the first Kings of War KS, and the difference in the casting quality is pretty apparent.
Barzam will swap with me since he owes me for Deadzone scenery!
I've got to say, I'm really enjoying the variety of sculpts you get in a faction box.
Those early stretch goals (whether fake or not) to get more varied sculpts in makes a big difference. Compounded with the fact that what each faction consists of is a bit more unique than the average fantasy figures makes me particularly pleased.
I haven't even started dipping in to the KS bonus figures yet for the most part!
Well, I opened by shipping box. One of mt hardcover books has a ding since it was packed at the very edge of the box with no additional packing material, they sent me 2 of one of the Zombicide figures and none of the second rather than one of each, and I have $40 worth of those bad joke sand bases (as pictured by Bossk_Hogg) instead of the Dark Ages ones that they showed and I paid for. I've got no interest in opening up the individual boxes right now unless there's a specific set that needs QA checking?
And I was charged about US$55 more for shipping than I should have been based on comparison with other CMoN KS campaigns using the same shipping options.
So what's the CMoN contact point to get this stuff rectified? Since they're still shipping their domestic orders I don't expect them to be on top of anything for a little while, but I'd love to get it sorted before they start shipping Zombicide S3.
I've just had a closer look at both the other WoK faction bases and then their bases kickstarter. While I've got no interest in the other factions' bases, these seem like they could be suitable replacements for the Gortisi bases - if they were willing to supply the right amount to cover the Gortisi bases (no idea how many are in the Bases KS batch vs the WoK ones.
Still not nearly as good as the ones shown. If they could somehow supply those instead as I wanted, I'd still be quite happy - even with the inconvenience all this messing around this is. What's CMoN's relationship with Dark Age?
I got me plenty of fat chicks to paint at the moment.
Worst case I'll scour ebay for some shieldbreakers if you don't want to swap for one!
Who all has stuff they're swapping?
I've got a lot of those blood dancers/vampire ladies I would be willing to swap/sell. I'm very interested in picking up some of the Teknes pigs. I PM'ed you about buying your wolves Cincey, let me know if you (or anybody else) has stuff they are looking to sell or swap.
Heh. I emailed CMoN at the email address listed for problem contacts on their KS page in the comments, and several days later I got a reply telling me to email a different email address (instead of, you know, forwarding my email to the relevent department). And my ticket was closed. Gotta love old Terrance.
Got my stuff today - 7 factions with all the stuff (splitting with a friend).
So far we've noticed that a Nazier starter is missing, as well as one dice bag and a set of extra Hadross cards.
The PVC is amazing. Easily blows anything and everything from Privateer Press, Mantic and Soda Pop out of the water. I can say in all seriousness that the best cast I've seen from these 3 can't hold a candle to the worst cast from Wrath of Kings.
Wehrkind wrote: Grrr.... still waiting for my tracking number.
Anyone have an idea of what is delaying things so long? Did like the Zombicide add ons not get done till later so they delay packages or something?
Pretty sure it was correcting some of the mis packs from the initial two waves. I got the impression they paused to audit and fix instead of shipping and sending out replacements.
Mine arrived yesterday just after my tracking number which doesn't work on DPDs site but I only got a chance to go through it now. The miniatures turned out very well even the female figures have well defined faces which tends to be a problem in PVC not much in the way of mold lines. The only real disappointment is the Ancient King the details are very soft and it's just not up to the standard of the rest.
The mispacked cards were inserted on top of box but they sent me Shael Han - fine ordered them and Hadross but I got Nasier as my second faction so I need to get them replaced. Only other error was a Pelegrath Howl with an Ashmen mask rather than her sword.
Have got the tracking number yesterday and the box arrived this morning, so here is a little bit of unboxing (if this does violate some rules, I'll remove it).
Both starter and add-ons come in cardboard boxes. Starter features very nice artwork (front and sides) and photos of actual models (painted and unpainted resin), well printed but with minor raster/moire on background. These should look good on shelves.
Box contents are packed in thin vacuum-formed styrene tray, perhaps too thin to last a long time, but with care and some foam cutting this box can be used as an improvised storage case. Not as nice as Infinity or Helldorado boxes, but good for keeping all the bags in transit. Right, bags...
All models are packed in their separate bags - a big bonus, since that is the point of the starter, to get someone to start as quickly as possible. Mixing, matching and green stuff comes later...
Small sprues are styrene, the rest are some sort of vinyl. Material is nice, if a bit soft, but this may keep parts from breaking and allow to connect most bits without resorting to hot water. Not the "bone-like" bendy, but definitely not as hard as Privateer press or early Mantic vinyl. I was primarily interested in wolf part of the starter, to mix with old Rackham models, and, as shown below, miniatures match the size and style of the old pre-paints very closely. Fit is excellent, that figure holds together without glue, all joints are keyed - no real chance of mixing parts up! Thus - a win!
Now, for the important part. Quality-wise these miniatures blow the average vinyl Privateer Press stuff out and away from the water. Most of Mantic multipart vinyl stuff goes crying to the corner. HOWEVER! - this is NOT a golden bullet. Moulds are still fresh, so at least there are no visible steps, such as when mould parts shift relative to each other. There are also no immediately visible bubbles or obvious miscasts, but the dreaded mould line is still there. It takes some time to catch it without resorting to wash:
Placement is acceptable, but not everywhere, considering it has to be cut with a knife edge. Prominence is also variable, from barely felt to about 0.5 mm. And in some cases it will be difficult to remove -
Smaller one-part models also have their share of these lines of doom, that most likely will result in removal of some relief details during clean-up.
What remains is to experiment with glue, I'll report results some time next week.
Hope this helps to make up a personal opinion about the success of that ordeal.
Glad to hear some people are getting tracking numbers and stuff slowly but surely. I was beginning to think there was some screw-up and I wasn't getting mine :( Thanks for the assurance guys!
lord_blackfang wrote: Sure blows Relic Knights out of the water, in quality, quantity and price.
Hey now, let's not say anything we can't take back.
But since you brought it up, I will mention that upon inspecting my WoK stuff 5 minutes ago I was mostly pleased with the quality of the miniatures and surprised with the crispness of some of the detail on the human sized figures. My only complaint is that there weren't enough base toppers for the included models which isn't a problem, really. (Relic Knights had bases for days! What now, huh?!)
I've my due diligence on my lot now and I have to say overall I'm impressed
either the restic they were working with this time was 'better' or they tailored the sculpts to suit (or both). Whatever the reason the small human sized stuff works much better than Relic Knights did
and the ABS arms/weapons work decently for flat straight stuff
I like the rule book, but those who want lots of painted mini pictures will be disappointed (they use art instead)
The Nasier bases are what I expected
However I have a few problems
as posted above the Gortisi are not (just 'dirt' rather than spooky graveyard)
and my Gortisi starter is missing on mini and has another which is miss-cast
so I'll need to see about a replacement/refund but as long as that goes smoothly I'm more than happy
I contacted them about my cards and missing parts they said to contact them again once they confirm shipping is finished as they are not dealing with missing items until then (and to use the pdf in the mean time)
OK, a small update on the PVC matters. I must admit I was overly optimistic - there ARE steps and mould slippage, one dancer is significantly miscast. Slightly better news - material is rubbery, but can be worked with using "woodwork" file and a very thin hobby knife. Prepare the most needle-like blade, as mould lines in some cases are very non-trivial to reduce, much less to clean. Vinyl solvent (no-name stuff, plumbing and utility company) is too strong for these miniatures. Softens joins too much, takes several days to harden, and even then You can feel with a fingernail the difference in strength where two parts were welded together. Milliput does not hold on the surface, modification may be difficult. ABS/PVC bonding glue, like UHU and Bison work nicely, I wasn't able to pull pieces apart. Bonding with styrene was worse. Cyanoacrylate ("superglue") works as expected, although scoring surface with a knife edge is recommended.
N.B.: If anyone wants vampire part of Goritsi starter, I am more than willing to trade, may also add a werewolf or two.
I got the wrong cards, but the stuff I ordered arrived. I only ordered one minis (which came with two others) + the Zombicide guest figures. Two friends of mine got tons of stuff - the dragon rider guy is pretty cool.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I got the wrong cards, but the stuff I ordered arrived. I only ordered one minis (which came with two others) + the Zombicide guest figures. Two friends of mine got tons of stuff - the dragon rider guy is pretty cool.
So many bases though. That I don't understand...
Being the said friend (or one thereof), I believe it all arrived except one of the King models had the wrong arms. Will check the rest and send a request for that to be fixed. That was very confusing...
The Kraken and the Chinese Dragon are amazing.
The bases are for either my Eldar army or generally nice scenic bases. I really liked the look of the bases
Huh, I hadn't been checking the pledge manager, and looking at it now, it doesn't list Wrath of Kings as one of my orders (Relic Knights is still there.)
Is that something I should be worried about and contacting someone on? KS knows I am a backer and how much money I put in, but CMoN might not?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Along those lines, anyone know a good person there to contact?
Wehrkind wrote: Huh, I hadn't been checking the pledge manager, and looking at it now, it doesn't list Wrath of Kings as one of my orders (Relic Knights is still there.)
Is that something I should be worried about and contacting someone on? KS knows I am a backer and how much money I put in, but CMoN might not?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Along those lines, anyone know a good person there to contact?
You certainly need to contact them as it should be there (all my old ones still show for example and can be looked at)
I wonder if you've ended up with another CMON (or KS&CMON account for this one?), on the KS page you should be able to check your survey response that will show what email address you were using at the time. If it was different just log into that on the CMON pledge manager.
If you were using the same email address but still can't find anything have a look at your CC statements for an appropriate KS payment to Coolminiornot via Amazon Payments (9/16/13) to make sure it actually went through (I know one person who missed out on Bones I this way and only realised when nothing shipped to him)
otherwise email support@cmon.com they are ticketing responses now so should get back to you reasonably quickly
Well, derp, that's what I get for not looking for like a year. I did use a different email address and completely forgot, as KS sent updates to one, but the CMoN address was a different one. Plus side, I don't have to check an address I hardly use to look for the shipping notice. Downside, still just a PDF packing slip :(
Automatically Appended Next Post: Thanks for the help, Orlando!
Wehrkind wrote: Well, derp, that's what I get for not looking for like a year. I did use a different email address and completely forgot, as KS sent updates to one, but the CMoN address was a different one. Plus side, I don't have to check an address I hardly use to look for the shipping notice. Downside, still just a PDF packing slip :(
Automatically Appended Next Post: Thanks for the help, Orlando!
Well that's a relief, at least you know you should be getting something
ecurtz wrote: No tracking number here either. It's a safe bet that "only a few" US orders left to go out actually means several hundred.
Why is that a "safe bet?"
What percentage of the Wrath of Kings backers do you think are in this thread? At least four of them, including me, haven't gotten their stuff. Basic statistics would make that pretty unlikely unless there were a decent number left to ship.
Some people are still waiting? This must be the first KS where my package didn't go out the door dead last!
I've put together starting forces for Shael Han nad Teknes, tried the latter in play. Pretty smooth.
A word of warning. You can heat-bend the main PVC parts as normal. Do NOT attempt in on the semi-hard plastic weapon bits. They curl, they shrink, they turn into gold, they do everything other than become malleable enough to reposition.
