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I love this new (redo) of the Space Hulk game! It's what got me into GW in 1989! But I was thinking...What would have made this even more spectacular? My thoughts...any of the following...

54mm (Inquisitor) scale! would have rocked! (Yes, with the same number of minis too!)...tiles would have been 2x the size....That'd have a 199.99 price tag!

Prepainted figs!

Round bases that you can attach/detach these cool minis on to use in Space Hulk or 40k!

3d plastic floors, walls, and rooms for more realism with actual moving doors & a way to make it 2 and 3 levels...like necromuda scenery!

expansion packs, and also chance to buy additional tile sets, &/or other minis or bits from the box.

Otherwise a solid 9 outta 10 on my scale!

Different scale would require different scale boards. Plus the people buying it for the miniatures... wouldn't.

I wish the tiles had been scaled to 40mm bases but I understand them wanting them to be compatible with older sets.
I wish all of the Terminators had a proper Crux on their shoulders.
I wish the kit had more Terminators and less Genestealers (okay, I admit it, I did not buy Space Hulk as Space Hulk).
I wish they was a cheap way to get a second or even third set of the cardboard components.

Even with the above "issues" I give it a hearty 10 of 10.

P.S. I would have bought it at 54mm scale, especially for the miniatures. I would have found away to get a second set of the Termies, one for modeling/painting, the other set to use as statues for 28mm 40k.

The tiles are easy, just print off some onto card paper and then glue that to something even thicker.


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Also, having had a chance to play around with the minis now, I wish they'd made all the front torso parts with a full arch on them. By arch I mean the thing that is attached to the torso that goes over the head. Half of them have part or all the arch attached to their back torsos. Otherwise the parts are generally compatible with the plastic set termies and AOBR ones.

Ogryns. Everything is better with ogryns.

'Cept the Guard Codex.

Agamemnon2 wrote:Ogryns. Everything is better with ogryns.

H.B.M.C. wrote:'Cept the Guard Codex.

Ba-ZING!

$80 price tag and permanent SG status on the website instead of being "limited edition" would have been perfect for me, certainly enough to make up for the bs "mystery box" campaign.

Is the reason you're not buying it because it's limited Sid? Or is it bitterness over the mystery box nonsense? Either one is a silly reason not to buy something.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Is the reason you're not buying it because it's limited Sid? Or is it bitterness over the mystery box nonsense? Either one is a silly reason not to buy something.

Bitterness over GW's stupidity is always a good reason to not buy their products, no matter how uncharacteristically awesome they are. The only thing I could think of that would improve it is if the floor tiles were dropped randomly, like what they did with Warhammer Quest. No more of this "Blip" nonsense.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Is the reason you're not buying it because it's limited Sid? Or is it bitterness over the mystery box nonsense? Either one is a silly reason not to buy something.

Who are you to judge how "silly" my reasoning is?

I'm tired of people like you following me around and berating me for my decision. I have reasons for not buying the box, they're good enough for me and that's honestly all that matters. Why does it bother you so much? If you want me to have the game so bad then why not buy me a fething box, then I'll happily march across Dakka singing its praises with you.

Until then though, "STFU".

Anyway, to actually answer your question: a little of everything. I simply don't have $100 right now to blow on a board game. The limited nature of the game means that I can't just go to the store and buy it when I do have money. And the "mystery box" campaign pissed me off, I think it's not only insulting to our intelligence but that it's a little disrespectful to treat paying customers like children at Christmas time. They say you vote with your wallet and if I don't like being treated that way, then the only way to get the message across is to not buy from GW, isn't it? Now how is that silly?

As to why I don't already have a savings in anticipation for Space Hulk, the answer should be obvious: because I'm a fething gak when it comes to handling money, I really don't know how to save it. I've made a lot of bad decisions since I got out on my own and I've driven myself to bankruptcy over it. I kinda have more important things to worry about than Space Hulk anyway, so in the end I don't really care, I'm just disappointed that the game won't be available forever or that they couldn't have brought the price down just a little more to make me say "feth the bills!" and buy a box anyway.

*wipes bile and spittle off face*

You didn't answer my question.

So where are you pulling the $80 price tag from? Do you have a figure on what production costs were? What point would there be in making it a specialist game?

krazynadechukr2 wrote:3d plastic floors, walls, and rooms for more realism!

That would've sucked, hard. Instead of the beautiful tiles I have right now, I'd have a whole lot more unpainted plastic. Claustrophobic corridors work great with cardboard tiles, a lot more awkward when actually trying to move anything around.

H.B.M.C. wrote:*wipes bile and spittle off face*

You didn't answer my question.

Bah, go read my edit then, jerkass!

So where are you pulling the $80 price tag from?

Comparing it to other, similar board games and how they're priced, mostly. $80 isn't really that far-fetched, is it?

Do you have a figure on what production costs were?

Do you?

No, I don't know how much it cost them to produce it, but I highly doubt GW is selling them at a loss like some people have suggested, there's absolutely no way in hell that's possible.

What point would there be in making it a specialist game?

Maybe that was a wrong choice of words, since specialist games are usually where core games go to die. Personally I just think Space Hulk should be sold permanently and not turned into a limited edition item to pimp every 20 years just to renew the copywrite/make a few bucks, and I think there would be a very good reason to do so seeing as how a lot of people claim Space Hulk is what got them into 40k.

You could sell Space Hulk in a store like Wal-Mart, and market it to as many people as possible. Get them interested in the 40k universe, get them curious and before you know it they're starting a 40k army of their own. Is it really a bad plan? Is there some reason why they can't just bring back Space Hulk and keep it around as a possible "gateway drug" into the hell that is the Games Workshop hobby?

You could NOT sell Space Hulk in a store like Wal-mart. GW simply has no way to compete for a space on the shelves. Competition is cut-throat, and Wal-Mart has total control over all the conditions that will allow you the privilege of having your product in their store.

Sid - At this point I would ask you politely to give the personal attacks a rest. None of us are attacking you personally, just your reasoning for not buying Space Hulk and the inaccuracies in your opinions/conclusions. All your posts are going to do is get the thread locked.

Sid wrote:I simply don't have $100 right now to blow on a board game.

Ok. No issue there. Not everyone has the money to buy everything all the time, and that's fine. And in that regard, I'd agree with you - the limited nature of the product combined with the price is very annoying.

However, saying "It shouldn't be limited" is ignorant of the reasons for why it is limited, as I have explained already.

Sid wrote:And the "mystery box" campaign pissed me off, I think it's not only insulting to our intelligence but that it's a little disrespectful to treat paying customers like children at Christmas time.

Sid, given the amount of time you've been posting here I'd say it's going to be quite difficult not to know who I am, and, in knowing that, it would also be quite difficult not know what I'm like when it comes to criticising GW for their business practices, design decisions and all the other stuff they do.

I am often the first one to grab the pitchforks and torches when it comes to lambasting GW for whatever their latest stupid mistake or choice happens to be.

I think the mystery box thing was a mismanaged and badly conceived waste of time. It was insulting to players with more than 3 brain cells everywhere and, as you said, was GW treating everyone like children not to mention them being more secretive than they are normally (which is pretty fething secretive). Worse, the success of Space Hulk, to them at least, will be seen as 'proof' that the Mystery Box concept was also a success, so we should expect to see other things like this in the future.

That's bad.

I hate that.

I wish they weren't so narrow-minded about they way they 'promote' their products and maybe, just for once, realised that it is better to hype upcoming products by showing them off than by keeping them wrapped up in a (badly kept) secret or the asinine 3 month window bull-gak.

So please Sid, don't think for a second that you're all alone in the wilderness when it comes to being annoyed at the Mystery Box thing.

That said, I still bought Space Hulk because I wanted the product, and can ignore and separate GW's own internal nonsense shenanigans from the products themselves.

Sid wrote:They say you vote with your wallet and if I don't like being treated that way, then the only way to get the message across is to not buy from GW, isn't it? Now how is that silly?

Then by that line of logic you should stop buying all GW products. What makes Hulk any different?

Sid wrote:As to why I don't already have a savings in anticipation for Space Hulk, the answer should be obvious: because I'm a fething gak when it comes to handling money, I really don't know how to save it. I've made a lot of bad decisions since I got out on my own and I've driven myself to bankruptcy over it. I kinda have more important things to worry about than Space Hulk anyway, so in the end I don't really care, I'm just disappointed that the game won't be available forever or that they couldn't have brought the price down just a little more to make me say "feth the bills!" and buy a box anyway.

That's fine. I can't and won't criticise you for that. But saying that is a damn-sight different to saying:

"It looks cheap. It should be in specialist games."

So try to separate the actual reasons from the knee-jerk reasons.

the price.

Agreed with the price... It comes with detailed and good amount of mini's.... but its a fething board game. Hell, monopoly has little mini type things... thats like 5 bucks?

Balancing out the missions a bit more - Defend, in partcular, means the Termies can just limit the Genestealer's entrance points by sitting within 6 squares of them, then keep them out of the control room for 10 turns straight with the psychic barrier. Eventually, the Nids will run out of reinforcment blips and lose.

Plus, the Broodlord isn't nasty enough. Three Genestealers will do much more damage than it will.

All your posts are going to do is get the thread locked.

Because we really need another Space Hulk thread.

Ok. No issue there. Not everyone has the money to buy everything all the time, and that's fine. And in that regard, I'd agree with you - the limited nature of the product combined with the price is very annoying.

It seems that is an issue, though. Just saying I don't have the money isn't good enough, because then my involvement in the Warhammer hobby at all gets called into question and I'm forced to explain why I can afford a 40k army but not Space Hulk.

I bought most of my army cheap to begin with, discounted online, eBay etc. The only thing I buy from the FLGS is used models and maybe a random blister or box (of course now it's strictly used models, if it isn't in the glass case then I don't buy it). When I first got started I bought a battleforce and a couple other boxes, but at the time I had a discount there through work anyway (still not sure how that happened, I was surprised to see that store in our discount book). Despite all that the game still seemed horribly expensive and I almost said screw it altogether, but at the time I was just starting to make really stupid financial decisions and I had three credit cards so I said "feth it."

So in all honesty I've never been able to afford 40k, my starting purchases (battleforce and fire warrior boxes) were charged on a credit card, and if I had to pay full retail I never would have done even that much. Also, if I had known GW raised prices once or twice a year every year seemingly just because they can, then I probably wouldn't be here either, but that's why you should always do your research I guess.

However, saying "It shouldn't be limited" is ignorant of the reasons for why it is limited, as I have explained already.

I'll accept the fact that there are things about economics that I apparently don't understand (having never actually taken an economics class it should come as no surprise), but must everyone continually call me "ignorant"? It just sounds too much like you're saying "No you idiot, listen!"

So please Sid, don't think for a second that you're all alone in the wilderness when it comes to being annoyed at the Mystery Box thing.

Pff, I never said that. Sorry if it came off that way.

That said, I still bought Space Hulk because I wanted the product, and can ignore and separate GW's own internal nonsense shenanigans from the products themselves.

But by buying the product anyway you're directly supporting said shenanigans. You're telling them that these practices actually work and they're going to keep doing it. You even said so yourself, you hated the campaign but because Space Hulk is such a huge success they're likely going to keep this up.

In either case, it isn't just bitterness that's keeping me from buying the product, being low on money and forced to ask myself if the crap I buy is really worth what I'm paying is mostly keeping me from buying it. I just can't afford to buy things on a whim anymore, especially at $100.

Then by that line of logic you should stop buying all GW products. What makes Hulk any different?

Who says I haven't? The only thing GW's gotten my money for lately was the Planetstrike book, and honestly I'm kind of regretting that anyway. By the way my store still has a box of the Mines, Bombs, and Booby Traps...and strangely enough all their Blastscapes! lol

Any models I've bought (a few single figures, a couple crisis suits and a tank that I know of) were bought used at the FLGS. GW didn't get any money directly from me for that. Now if only someone would trade in some freaking Kroot hounds...

Okay, I remember now, I bought a broadside from Maelstrom. That and the Planetstrike book are the only two things GW got money from me for this year.

@ Sidstyler

Ignore the economics lessons! At leat the ones you're getting on here, they're not fact, they're the imaginings of so called "experts" who in actual fact know nothing of GWs business plan. Everything you read on here about the inner workings of GW finance (even the stuff from the red shirts) is simply assumption. Therefore no more valid than your own assumptions.

On the flip side, I really don't see the implied insult in the Mystery Box saga....why can't people see it as a "bit of fun"....it didn't cost you anything! The only down side I can think of is the fact that certain people couldn't plan financially for whats coming, but even thats not really worth aall the spleen splitting thats going on.

The limited nature of the game is a slap in the face for some! However, again, look on Coolminiornot, they run a limited edition miniature every month or so, other companies put out limited products, so why is GW getting a second ass designed for it for doing the same thing?

Incidentally, I crumpled.....yes, I did, I bought two sets!! One to play and one to...well, we'll see...maybe it'll be an investment, maybe not....we'll see.

Is it worth the money, speaking as a late convert....I'd have to say, yes. Its a nice set, blah blah blah, you've heard it all before.....if you can get one, get one!

What would I change?.....nothing, it is what it is, anything else wouldn't be Space Hulk.

Given the amount of Nid vs Termie SHulk our group already owns, the only thing that would have tipped my hand would have been a reconcept around Guard vs Hormas

WHAT is it about SPACE HULK that brings out the Personal Attack Rage in posters?

Debate the points of the thread all you want.

STOP with the personal attacks.

It really isn't that hard to do, if you STOP and think about what you are posting for about, oh I don't know, ONE SECOND.

I am in the "Ouch, too expensive right now" camp..

*IF* I could have rationalized it by looting the terminators for my existing army, I MAY have started a change jar to fund it.. but I don't do Blood Angels and don't want to start a new SM force.

so... to answer the OP question..

It would have been better (for ME) if the terminators had been a more generic design. The POSES are astounding and fab, but I could have done with less teardrop bling.

Better?

Confirmation that there will be 3 follow up expansions, 1 per year with more missions, more floor pieces, more minis.

I'd be buying all of them if they can keep the standard up.

But that would in all likelyhood require a rerelease of the original game so that new players could purchase it.
And we know that GW does not (for some idiotic reason) want to do that.

Limited edition...... with follow up expansions.

I see a contradiction right there. But then its GW so what should I be expecting.

I honestly feel that had Space Hulk been $90 dollars it would have been more competitively priced. Yes I agree $80 would have been even better, but for what you get I definitely understand the price point they went with this game.

FFG's bix box games (Descent, Twilight Imperium, etc) are approaching that price point for the MSRP.

Lets stick with Descent - the MSRP is $89.99 and this is how much you'll pay at FFG's site and at most of the brick 'n mortar game stores (unless your store is awesome and charges less than MSRP.) However, turn around and go to a site like www.thoughthammer.com or any other number of online board game discounters (that have no physical store, or whose primary income method is through online sales) and you'll see them heavily discounting games - in the range of 20 to 30% so you'll be paying less than $70 for the game.

For the most part, this is how I buy my games. It's just too economical not too, although I do try to support local stores, but for the big orders - I hit up a discounter.

I think Space Hulk would have been a lot easier for people to swallow if discounters had access to Space Hulk. Thoughthammer.com lists Space Hulk for sale at $99.99 for a pre-order - obviously they aren't getting a good enough discount/wholesale price to drastically cut costs.

Again, I bet more people would have been enthused has Space Hulk been released through more normal channels for a typical boardgame. But that's GW for you and they like to do things there own way. But $70-75 for hulk would have been a lot nicer than $100.

What I actually don't like about this edition of Space Hulk - the timer looks really, really, cheap. Plus how long is the marine players turn, btw? Isn't it 2 minutes or something. I think i'll use a digital stopwatch with a dinger as my friends and I tend to get caught up in the moment and i'm sure we'll miss the timer ending more than once!

What else would have been nice? Some realistic way to organize the game but that would have inflated the costs more, even though I'l be ordering some stuff to store the game anyway.

GW would make a mint if they sold the Sprues for this game on their website. I'd buy at least another full set of of the Terminators, and probably some of the genestealers too. I love that dead marine on the throne mini.

But for now (and always) the Space Hulk minis I have will be used for Space Hulk the boardgame.

The Design Notes say they took the (rightly) acclaimed 1e rules, incorporated the Deathwing and Genestealer expansion rules (some of which were good and some of which were cack) and changed a few things 'just because'.

This was probably a mistake.

They would have done better not to include a lot of the expansion rules and they definitely didn't need to meddle further. Or at least they should have extensively playtested the changes they made.

Example: One reason the missions are so hard for the SMs is because without Flamer reloads or grenades, it's harder to advance compared to the 1e game.

Kilkrazy wrote:The Design Notes say they took the (rightly) acclaimed 1e rules, incorporated the Deathwing and Genestealer expansion rules (some of which were good and some of which were cack) and changed a few things 'just because'.

This was probably a mistake.

They would have done better not to include a lot of the expansion rules and they definitely didn't need to meddle further. Or at least they should have extensively playtested the changes they made.

Example: One reason the missions are so hard for the SMs is because without Flamer reloads or grenades, it's harder to advance compared to the 1e game.

Wow!

So, GW admitted that they did stuff "just because" and that they didn't play test the changes they did make?

Ouch!

Honestly? Having landed my Part Time job with GW BEFORE I'd bought Space Hulk, thus neatly slashing the price in half.

Ah well, it's still totally awesome in the way only Space Hulk can be!

Manager of my store got 50 copies to flog. 25 of them were sold today, despite him encouraging people to Advance Order from the Trolls since it was announced.

So fingers crossed that Space Hulks colossal level of success means we might see the same thing done with Warhammer Quest next year or so. (This is not a rumour, just genuinely wishful thinking!)