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Guess it's about time to collect the rumours on the upcoming 2nd wave for Skaven. Some things were mentioned in other threads, but they now deserve their own thread.

1.) 6 blisters, 3 of them the metal Rat Ogres before the current plastic version( Stitch Spikegouger, Ironclaws, Maulerblades, $22.25 ) in September together with the release of a bitz pack (Skavenslaves Sling Upgrade Pack, set of 20, $8.25). Later, one blister Ikit Claw, one probably Tretch as the last of the 6 blisters.
2.) 2 plastic boxes, one maybe HPA (model completed, but not certain if in this wave), also rumours about a set of 3 weapon teams and early rumours about a Catapult and a warp canon. Yes, can't be all true.
3.) Spell cards
4.) Skaven Art Book

Scryer in the Darkness made a nice riddle, saying that the names of the three unknown blisters can be made of the letters in this sentence:
"A readable geek rumour pitch list: slings, cows." But nobody has solved that riddle yet.

Funny thing about a possible September release: These products are not on the September news poster. But should be at least this year according to Scryer's list of product codes.

Not shown in your list but I'd appreciate some new rat Ogres. The ones in the big box really don't fit with the horrid plastic ogres or any of the previous models. I'd rather that the other blisters were weapon teams as you don't need masses of multiples of them.

Re Rat Ogres.

Previous Metal ones coming up for Direct Only soon. When I dunno, but I'm having all three.

A readable geek rumour pitch list: slings, cows

not sure its genuine.......there are two u's to use and yet not enough p's for plague priest, or plaugeclaw catapult or n's for gutter runners, or t's for throt the unclean.......

How else can you use the u's to spell something out from the skaven army book

Bloodwin wrote:Not shown in your list but I'd appreciate some new rat Ogres.

You get plastic ones in the new Starter Box, so two things are possible:

New plastic box.

OR

The only place you can get the plastic Rat Ogres is in the starter, like the DeffKoptas out of Black Reach.

Mattlov wrote:
The only place you can get the plastic Rat Ogres is in the starter, like the DeffKoptas out of Black Reach.

This. It doesn't make sense to release multiple kits of the same thing at the same time.

Re: "A readable Geek rumor pitch list: slings, cows"

I doubt very much that this is correct.

The following units (which need new blisters, or I could conceive of receiving new blisters) don't work:

Gutter Runners (not enough n)
Poison Wind Globadiers (not enough n)
Tretch Craventail (no v)
Jezzail Team (no z)
Doom Flayer (no f)
Great Pox Rat (no x)
Plague Priest (not enough p)
Grey Seer (no y)
Chieftain (no f)
Throt the Unclean (not enough t)
Thanquol/Boneripper (no q)
Lord Skrolk (not enough k)
Vermin Lord (no v)

I don't see them releasing metal models for anything that is currently available in plastic, so that would eliminate:
Giant Rats
Clanrats
Stormvermin
Skavenslaves
Plague Monks

Really, the ones that would hypothetically work are:
Warlord
Assassin
Censer Bearer
Rat Swarm
War-litter
Ikit Claw
Rat Ogre
Weapon Team

Since you need a 'b', you have to use Censer Bearer.

That eliminates Assassin (too many s). Since you need to use 2 x 'c', you need to take Ikit Claw.

That eliminates Warlord, Rat Swarm, War-litter, Weapon Team.

And once you eliminate those, you eliminate the ability to utilize every letter in the riddle (you actually do that once you eliminate the assassin).

So you can't use every letter - at which point the riddle becomes mostly useless.

Anyone else want to weigh in on this?

A readable geek rumour pitch list: slings, cows

Yea definately no way to use those u's etc

I can get Globadiers & weapon teams, but then end up with letters that cant make anything.

Could be that he meant you could spell the names with the letters in that riddle; not that it was an anagram. So if there's an "s" in the riddle, you can use as many "s"s as you want to spell the items.

Mattlov wrote:The only place you can get the plastic Rat Ogres is in the starter, like the DeffKoptas out of Black Reach.

Why did they do that? Why restrict the deffkoptas to the main game box instead of actually selling them, because they would sell I'm sure.

Is called a Feature and Benefit.

Combined with the money saving on the box price, and the decent re-sale value, you can flog more of the core product.

Mattlov wrote:

Bloodwin wrote:Not shown in your list but I'd appreciate some new rat Ogres.

You get plastic ones in the new Starter Box, so two things are possible:
New plastic box.
OR
The only place you can get the plastic Rat Ogres is in the starter, like the DeffKoptas out of Black Reach.

Let's see:
3 modular Rat Ogres in the current plastic kit.
2 Rat Ogres in the starter
3 metal Rat Ogres with bandages before the plastic Rat Ogres.
3 metal Rat Ogres before those.
2 Rat Ogres for Mordheim (one Eshin, one Skryre)
2 versions of Boneripper.
1 Rat Ogre for Bloodbowl
that's 16 different Rat Ogres from GW alone (not counting the one on the new screaming bell and all the non-GW Rat Ogres for Bloodbowl). Guess you have to take one of those then

BTW Ikit Claw and Tretch are considered "known" and not among the three unknown blisters in the riddle.

[sadface] I hope the HPA isn't in this wave, I haven't even finished my scratchbuilt one yet. (despite working on it since december)

Jut finished my HPA lol, if i like GW's one, ill replace it, if not, ill make more like my one.

Guess I'll have to watch ebay after the starter box is released for more rat ogres.

Like the deffkoptas, the ogres would definitely sell. I know some people who bought a second AoBR box just for the koptas.

On the subject of Ebay, there's something I don't get.

Why pay Ebay prices for part of the box, when you can buy the boxed set, and take to Ebay with the bits you don't want, thus standing to make a profit?

Because if everyone did that, there'd be no one to buy the contents on ebay?

True...if *everyone* did it.

But most won't. All I'm suggesting is being the one to make the profit, rather than a dubious saving (after all, if you pay £10 or £15 for the Rat Ogres alone, the extra cash would have bagged you a rulebook plus lots of other models you're likely use).

Yeah, I see what you're getting at. I seem to be making some dumb posts this morning, I'll give dakka a rest untill I've had my coffee.

Ktulhut wrote:[sadface] I hope the HPA isn't in this wave, I haven't even finished my scratchbuilt one yet. (despite working on it since december)

۞ Jack ۞ wrote:Jut finished my HPA lol, if i like GW's one, ill replace it, if not, ill make more like my one.

... or take two HPAs in your army list just to annoy your opponents, if the GW HPA looks good

Some people just don't want to wait, and buy two boxes so they will have everything they need. Also, getting outbid an ebay happens when you think you have an auction all to yourself.

Riddle was solved. It's the three Rat Ogres. Didn't know the three classic Rat Ogres had names (the ones before the plastic Rat Ogres).

Release 18th September:
Stitch Spikegouger, Ironclaws, Maulerblades (classic Rat Ogres) $22.25
Skavenslaves Sling Upgrade Pack (set of 20) $8.25

So... that's it? That's the whole wave? Three old models and some slings?

Yeah! September rocks!

No, that's an ATO release, and hardly a second wave.

Me, I find this pretty cool (and mentioned about the Rat Ogres in an other thread first). Could do with some Slings in my Ratses.

The old Rat Ogres were absolutely incredible models, some of my al time favourites. The Blood Bowl Rat Ogre look perfect alongside them too, giving you even more variety.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat490003a&prodId=prod1095532

http://www.solegends.com/citcat94/cat1994040-02.htm

I'd love it if these fellas were re-released as part of the Collector's Range I would be deleted as the price would tumble on EBay and I could pick up a few more.

Sadly they do not quite match the plastics in Island of Blood, but you can't have everything. At least the crappy ones available now might be gotten rid of.

H.B.M.C. wrote:So... that's it? That's the whole wave? Three old models and some slings?
Yeah! September rocks!

September is the month of the starter box, remember?
This is just an appetizer, as new models are on the way (Ikit, Tretch, 2 plastic boxes), but not that soon. Don't know when, someone said next year. There will definitely be a HPA model some day, prototyype is ready and has been seen.

Kroothawk wrote:Riddle was solved. It's the three Rat Ogres. Didn't know the three classic Rat Ogres had names (the ones before the plastic Rat Ogres).

Release 18th September:
Stitch Spikegouger, Ironclaws, Maulerblades (classic Rat Ogres) $22.25
Skavenslaves Sling Upgrade Pack (set of 20) $8.25

OK, now that's just cheating on the riddle, surely? How could anyone have guessed that - the old Rat Ogres weren't named!

*muttergrumblemuttermuttergrumble*

So basically, I'll be able to pick up all my rats at the same time? Bonus.

From a Warseer member having a peek at the September WD:

The majority of the Skavenslaves pack is obviously the slings, although there do seem to be other components in the bitz pack as well. They are in line with the quality of the plastic clanrats components (which were pretty good) but there is nothing ott in it. A good, useful pack though (and of course metal).

More sketchy are what appears to be 2-3 fantasy character blisters for the collector's range (ala Dark Elf Dreadlord release) which I think may be Skaven (although my viewing of September White Dwarf was pretty pressured)

These are obviously in September.

Unfortunately, in the trend of this year's issues information for October and November is EXTREMELY limited, basically a bit of artwork with a header saying "Next month: High Elves" or eq. I also wasn't able to peruse the battle report enough to see if any of the forthcoming releases were being used.

Lucien

... or take two HPAs in your army list just to annoy your opponents, if the GW HPA looks good

I plan on having 5 in the end
Dont want to make any more yet though incase the GW ones look something special.

All i use is a box of chaos spawn and a corpse cart, mixed with spare Rogre parts (ive got 12 of em, so plenty of spares)