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I recently purchased a space marine army(1 battleforce, devestator squad, commander) after I asked you guys what i should get. After reading the codex i kind of wanted to paint my army in ultramarine colors not because of the special characters, but because of the paint scheme. My recent visit to my store everybody told me that it was a gay move to paint them that color since"they suck" aparently. No further explination just that they suck. And everybody was agreeing, even the freakin tau player, which says alot. Why are they hated

What do you mean "even the Tau player"?

It's not hard to figure out why they're hated. They've been the GW posterboy for years, they're always first in line for a codex update and always get new models, and in the background GW literally comes out and tells you the Ultramarines are the best of the best, and that they're so good every other chapter wishes they could be Ultramarines, too. Ultramarines are everywhere, and whatever you can do they can do better. That's why people don't like them.

I also think their name is stupid. Ultramarines...and they're blue...lol, get it? It's funny, right?

That being said though, I'd tell them to go feth themselves. I don't like them either, but I won't berate someone and call him "gay" for playing them.

Ultramarines aren't vanilla, they're Awesomeberry Blue.

theamericanos wrote:I recently purchased a space marine army(1 battleforce, devestator squad, commander) after I asked you guys what i should get. After reading the codex i kind of wanted to paint my army in ultramarine colors not because of the special characters, but because of the paint scheme. My recent visit to my store everybody told me that it was a gay move to paint them that color since"they suck" aparently. No further explination just that they suck. And everybody was agreeing, even the freakin tau player, which says alot. Why are they hated

Ultramarines are just normal space marines. Nothing bad about them at all. If you like blue go for it. Probably just your friends giving you a hard time.

They don't suck, they are awesome, people are just jealous of their spiffy blue paint job!

I say go for it mate, I've been to plenty of shops and talked about stuff like this, and seriously, anyone that actually bothers to rip on an army because its popular is pretty lame. It's a game, if you like the look of something then do it, don't worry about what other people will say about your army. Just bring it to the greentop and whip them there!

Besides, the only thing in the world that you should be worrying about not liking your army are...girls...

When it comes to that your best bet is just not to bring it up ever. Even if you get married, don't ever let her know.

Why you would ever get married though is beyond me, but still...

Sidstyler wrote:What do you mean "even the Tau player"?

It's not hard to figure out why they're hated. They've been the GW posterboy for years, they're always first in line for a codex update and always get new models, and in the background GW literally comes out and tells you the Ultramarines are the best of the best, and that they're so good every other chapter wishes they could be Ultramarines, too. Ultramarines are everywhere, and whatever you can do they can do better. That's why people don't like them.

I also think their name is stupid. Ultramarines...and they're blue...lol, get it? It's funny, right?

That being said though, I'd tell them to go feth themselves. I don't like them either, but I won't berate someone and call him "gay" for playing them.

i think its reasonable
I think its safe to say at every store there is at least one tau player who thinks he is the ultimate stratigest because he can shoot a big gun. there is one where i play and i think it is safe to say there is one in your store

Regardless of if it has to do with gaming or otherwise, you shouldn't spend too much time worrying about what nerds that hang out in a game store think about anything...

paint them how you want.

Isn't this a gaming discussion board? Where else can we worry about such trivialities? There's a time and a place, and Dakka Dakka is the place.

Ultramarines aren't 'gay'. A lot of people are just tired of them or annoyed at how crammed down our throats they have become. I like them. I will never build them and have no problem with other people playing them. If you like them then play them because nothing sucks worse than painting an army you won't like the feel of aesthetically. But if you do choose to go that rout just know you will get some ribbing from people. It should be good natured though.

Tall Poppy Syndrome.


People like to cut down those that are on top. Ultramarines not only represent the greatest Space Marine Chapter in the fluff, but they're also the brand image that GW has chosen to unify and give cohesion to not only their Space Marine product line, but Warhammer 40,000 as a whole. With that in mind is it any wonder people say they are 'boring'.

I've been collecting Ultramarines since the time when the Dark Angels were black and the Salamanders were the fourth Chapter alongside the Ultras, BA's and Woofs. Back then, as far as the rules were concerned there was almost nothing to differentiate one Marine from another other than their colour scheme. Ultramarines were literally just 'Blue Marines' whereas the Blood Angels were just the 'Red Marines'.

If GW had, for instance, chosen the Blood Angels as their poster boys during this early period of 40K and now every box and rulebook cover had Blood Angels on it, we'd be having this exact same conversation about the 'boring' Blood Angels.

I mean, take this as an example:

Alternate Universe Sidstyler wrote:What do you mean "even the Necron player"?

It's not hard to figure out why they're hated. They've been the GW posterboy for years, they're always first in line for a codex update and always get new models, and in the background GW literally comes out and tells you the Blood Angels are the best of the best, and that they're so good every other chapter wishes they could be Blood Angels, too. Blood Angels are everywhere, and whatever you can do they can do better. That's why people don't like them.

I also think their name is stupid. Blood Angels...and they're red, like blood...lol, get it? It's funny, right?

That being said though, I'd tell them to go feth themselves. I don't like them either, but I won't berate someone and call him "straight" for playing them.

See?



Then there's the 4Chan Factor. 4Chan has a capacity for exaggeration and hyperbole that... well... I'd need lots of exaggeration and hyperbole to describe. The internet's cesspool is particularly adept at taking a concept and running it into the ground until there's nothing left. When the 5th Ed Marine Codex came out they upped the anti-Ultramarine stuff to the nth degree. It didn't help that Matt Ward put in all that "Spiritual Liege" stuff in his designer notes, but 4Chan took the already clichéd anti-Ultramarine Tall Poppy Syndrome shtick and made it worse.


So what to take from all this is that the Ultramarines don't suck - people just like to cut down what is popular or on top.

theamericanos wrote:i think its reasonable
I think its safe to say at every store there is at least one tau player who thinks he is the ultimate stratigest because he can shoot a big gun. there is one where i play and i think it is safe to say there is one in your store

Yeah...yeah there is a Tau player at my store. Me.

Don't know if there are other ones or not, haven't really seen any besides myself. I don't think I'm the "ultimate strategist" though, but seriously, winning with Tau isn't exactly a god-damned cakewalk, either. They're not the kind of army where you can make a bunch of mistakes and still pull off a win...like, say, Ultramarines. You can lose the game at deployment.

Nurglitch wrote:Isn't this a gaming discussion board? Where else can we worry about such trivialities? There's a time and a place, and Dakka Dakka is the place.

calm down man

Mind you, if you have people at your local club/store using the term "gay" as a pejorative, you have bigger problems than deciding on a paint scheme.

I've found the trick to dealing with such people is to agree with them, that whatever it is that they're labelling "gay" is in fact exactly like two hot sweaty men engaging in mindblowing homosexual action. It helps to lick your lips a lot while saying this.


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theamericanos wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:Isn't this a gaming discussion board? Where else can we worry about such trivialities? There's a time and a place, and Dakka Dakka is the place.

calm down man

NO! YOU CALM DOWN!!!!11!

Sidstyler wrote:

theamericanos wrote:i think its reasonable
I think its safe to say at every store there is at least one tau player who thinks he is the ultimate stratigest because he can shoot a big gun. there is one where i play and i think it is safe to say there is one in your store

Yeah...yeah there is a Tau player at my store. Me.

Don't know if there are other ones or not, haven't really seen any besides myself. I don't think I'm the "ultimate strategist" though, but seriously, winning with Tau isn't exactly a god-damned cakewalk, either. They're not the kind of army where you can make a bunch of mistakes and still pull off a win...like, say, Ultramarines. You can lose the game at deployment.

good for you

lol how he just flat out says that

theamericanos wrote:I recently purchased a space marine army(1 battleforce, devestator squad, commander) after I asked you guys what i should get. After reading the codex i kind of wanted to paint my army in ultramarine colors not because of the special characters, but because of the paint scheme. My recent visit to my store everybody told me that it was a gay move to paint them that color since"they suck" aparently. No further explination just that they suck. And everybody was agreeing, even the freakin tau player, which says alot. Why are they hated

I don't really like this thing about equating being "gay" with something negative, it really grates and is something I notice is mostly used by the younger generations. So my first reaction would be to point out that isn't appropriate regardless of the point being made. Frankly it makes me disinclined to listen to anything they say until they start speaking properly.


In general I think that Ultramarines get hate because they are so ubiquitous. They are everywhere in GW material and their armies are everywhere, masses of blue. I'm sure a lot of people don't find the colour scheme attractive and while Space Marines get flak for being the 'easy newbies' army, the Ultramarines are associated with this even more so.

Though the GW obsession with the ultramarines does invite some annoyance, how often are space marine figures released with Ultramarine markings on them leaving the hobbyist to correct the figure just to use it in their different space marine chapter? If GW made all their marines more generic then perhaps they would get less hate. But almost everyone who collects a non-ultramarine space marine army will have had to file off the 'U' of the ultramarines just to use a figure at some point.

A Black Ram wrote:lol how he just flat out says that

I know, right? Best laugh I've had all day.

You know for a guy with a gay Ultramarines army he doesn't have a right to talk...

...I just realized how awkward/hilarious that was after noticing Howard's post about using the word gay derogatorily.

I don't hate ultramarines. I just have a deeply soared hate for them.
They are good chapter. But if they had a different color scheme I would be fine with them. But no they are overplayed at my store, everyone there plays ultramarines. Its like walking through a minefield. Because other chapters are like thrown aside so the ultramarines are given a spot light.
/rage
Anyway Thats what I think of them I respect everyones opinion, except blue people.

That's racist!

Sidstyler wrote:That's racist!

Who am I offending?
Apart from the blue man group?

Just because they're an unrepresented minority that doesn't give you the right!

theamericanos wrote:
I think its safe to say at every store there is at least one tau player who thinks he is the ultimate stratigest because he can shoot a big gun. there is one where i play and i think it is safe to say there is one in your store

You know, there's not that many tau players around as a whole. Regardless me-thinks someones hating since his expensive land raider blew up first turn, or some such reason.

Regardless, Blue space marines are poster boys, thus lame. They are also blue, have lots of cool stories to explain just how blue they are. Did I mention they were blue?

Asherian Command wrote: Apart from the blue man group?

Blue Man Group are people too.

Wait... are they?

People hate the Ultramarines because only good players can win with them, and they are jealous of those mad skills.

That's my take on it, anyway.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Asherian Command wrote: Apart from the blue man group?

Blue Man Group are people too.

Wait... are they?

No they are not people its like saying Jawas are people. And Caboose is smart.

Sidstyler wrote:Just because they're an unrepresented minority that doesn't give you the right!

The only blue people ive seen are the ones that are choking, nine times outa ten they deserved it

/tg/ (4Chan) didn't exaggerate the hatred, it just found something that was already there. And all memes aside you will still find plenty of fatguys there who don't care either way. /tg/ finds something to hate about every Chapter, the Ultras are hardly alone or special in this regard. DAs are closet homosexuals, SWs are not-so-closet furries, BAs sparkley emo vampires (thanks Twilight), etc. Everyone cops it, the Ultras just cop it the most due to their exposure.

Ultras are no better or worse than any other Chapter. They are just portrayed as being glory hogs who take every opportunity to remind other Chapters of their lineage, etc, etc, etc. Yes we get it, you wrote the Codex. Big frakking deal. The Space Wolves ignored it and they seem to be doing just fine.

Then Matt Ward happened. Nothing says alienate the remainder of your fanbase than claiming your own personal favorite Chapter is better than everyone else's and everyone wants to be like them. And even then it isn't entirely just the fact he is an idiot and did that. It is the flow on effect from it where you have all the little 13 year olds flaunting this around like it is gospel.

In short, non-Ultra marine players RAGE over so much attention being given to a bland Chapter (Which it rightly so since they are the base Vanilla Marines) and having the 'So much better than everyone else' crap shoved down their throats.

So if you want to play Ultras play Ultras. Just expect to cop flak about it because the developers are stupid. The best way to combat this is to just be a bro about it and play the game. Plus usually just saying "I am collecting them because I like the color scheme" usually shuts down the hate. The scheme is awesome, the problem is the baggage that comes with it.

That much is true. I started Ultramarines because you and James (if you remember him) both started Blood Angels, and I prefer blue over red.

That's literally the reason I started with Ultramarines. Of course... we were what... 9 years old then?