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OK simple question which world is more dangerous to live on Carachan or Fenris ? If anybody knows a death wolrd they consider more dangerous than either of them please tell us about it.

There was a brief mention, just where evades me now but back around the late 90s, of a death world so utterly vicious and mean in terms of flora and fauna, that the hive fleet that tried to eat it gave up eventually and went around it.

Can't remember where it was written up but I definitely read it.

Out of those 2...
If you're attacking it probably Fenris but if you simply live their then probably Catachan...
Though both have proved how hard it can be to live or attack either of them.

Why would you want to live in a deathworld.

The clue is in the name...

seejay wrote:Why would you want to live in a deathworld.

The clue is in the name...

Punishment...
Accident...
In hiding...
A few decent reason methinks...

Do any SM Chapters recruit from Catachan?

purplefood wrote:Out of those 2...
If you're attacking it probably Fenris but if you simply live their then probably Catachan...

Fenris has only 1 stable area of landmass and it's forbidden for the planets normal populous to live there. The temperature on Fenris can kill you quicker then the Temperature on Catachan can. Fenris is home to the greatest predator in the galaxy (the wolves not the marines). And Fenris has fauna that can swallow an entire longboat if not an island.

I'd say Fenris is more dangerous to live on. Catachan may have deadly Flora and Fauna but at least it's warm and the land you live on won't sink into the sea.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

purplefood wrote:Out of those 2...
If you're attacking it probably Fenris but if you simply live their then probably Catachan...

Fenris has only 1 stable area of landmass and it's forbidden for the planets normal populous to live there. The temperature on Fenris can kill you quicker then the Temperature on Catachan can. Fenris is home to the greatest predator in the galaxy (the wolves not the marines). And Fenris has fauna that can swallow an entire longboat if not an island.

I'd say Fenris is more dangerous to live on. Catachan may have deadly Flora and Fauna but at least it's warm and the land you live on won't sink into the sea.

Fair enough...
Catachan has probably got more poisonous things but Fenris has very few areas to actually live.
Oddly enough Deathworlds seem to be easier to defend than fortress worlds.

Henners91 wrote:Do any SM Chapters recruit from Catachan?

Not directly from the planet but I don't doubt that marines fighting alongside Catachan regiments have recruited a couple promising members over time. If they're young enough

I'd say Fenris is more dangerous to live on. Catachan may have deadly Flora and Fauna but at least it's warm and the land you live on won't sink into the sea.

Granted the temp. may be an issue, however, atleast in fenris you know the land isnt safe to land on.
Catachan has alot of bogged areas that are impossible to pass and at a glance look like normal ground.

Animal wise, your forgetting its not just evil plants.
Catachin is home to the catachin devils, which are pretty damn evil on thier own.
They are also the smaller of the 2 threats.
The larger of the 2 being the megasaur.
which in fluff has been described as launching battle tanks through the air when it goes on a rampage.

Not too hot on pup's fluff though, so not too sure on the wolves.

You have the:
Fenrisian wolf which is about the size of a man and infinately cunning
Thunderwolf which is about the size of a rhino (modern day animal not APC)
There are also a fair few others varying between cunning and sheer brute force.
Also Fenris goes through seasons like most planets except most planets' summer doesn't cause the oceans to boil and cause massive earthquakes and tsunamis.

... No-one brings up the Kracken? No-one?

Chowderhead wrote:... No-one brings up the Kracken? No-one?

I think Imbad did earlier...
Still worth mentioning again though...

Either are a piece of cake. Try surviving on Neptune, Mercury, or just the moon.

Hmm, wolves the size of a rhino or a giant lizard that towers over jungle canopies?


Also, ive missed something here, whats this about a kraken and where? :O

Catachan or Fenris ?
Necromunda have acid rains that can melt human body in mere seconds.
Krieg have such high level of radiation that you also melt there in a matter of seconds.
Or any world that was on Tyranid path...you can't even breathe there...
Now these worlds are death-worlds.

Jackal wrote:Hmm, wolves the size of a rhino or a giant lizard that towers over jungle canopies?


Also, ive missed something here, whats this about a kraken and where? :O

In the oceans of Fenris there are krakens which swallow longboats whole, so even if you think yourself clever to get off the land before your continent sinks in the spring, you can still get swallowed.

Fenris is extremely punishing and literally nowhere is safe. At least on Catachan, you could survive inside a bastion and it doesn't seem like they're split into tribes that are killing each other. On top of that, Catachans have modern technology to deal with their problems, Fenrisians have to kill all manner of nasty beasties with medieval weapons.

Brother Coa wrote:Catachan or Fenris ?
Necromunda have acid rains that can melt human body in mere seconds.
Krieg have such high level of radiation that you also melt there in a matter of seconds.
Or any world that was on Tyranid path...you can't even breathe there...
Now these worlds are death-worlds.

Yeah but on those worlds you have shelter and technology to survive.
On Fenris the most advanced the natives get is iron weapons.
@Jackal Fenris has Krakens... yeah the gigantic squid thingies...

Again, I'd proffer either Fenris or Catachan would be considered blessed. Most worlds can't support life...at all.

Those are justa little bit more tough than earth itself. Compare it to our own solar system and some of its niceties:

Venus and Mercury can melt lead.
Mars has no material atmosphere.

Troy wrote:Again, I'd proffer either Fenris or Catachan would be considered blessed. Most worlds can't support life...at all.

Those are justa little bit more tough than earth itself. Compare it to our own solar system and some of its niceties:

Venus and Mercury can melt lead.
Mars has no material atmosphere.

In 40k Mars is a forgeworld of epic proportions...
Venus and Mercury are probably as they are.
A Deathworld is a world that can sustain human life but is so damn dangerous it is impossible to support a sizable population without drastically changing the environment. e.g. Catachan and Fenris

what about the home worlf of the Iron Snakes chapter? Ithaka.

Big oceans, big fish (well sea wyrms), not much land?

Allot of great points have been brought up but there are no wolves on fenris so I don't think we can count them because they are not part of the worlds eco-system. Also it helps to look at the people who live on these worlds, unarmed and on open ground who would win a regular catachan or a regulr tribesman from fenris ?

Theres only one way to find out.......FIGHT!!!!

moonshine wrote:Allot of great points have been brought up but there are no wolves on fenris so I don't think we can count them because they are not part of the worlds eco-system. Also it helps to look at the people who live on these worlds, unarmed and on open ground who would win a regular catachan or a regulr tribesman from fenris ?

There are wolves on Fenris... that line was simply an author being a smartarse
Catachan get to use modern equipment and are ridiculously muscley whereas Fenrisian tribesman has faught for most of his life and is generally pretty deadly...
Catachan fellows methinks...

purplefood wrote:

moonshine wrote:Allot of great points have been brought up but there are no wolves on fenris so I don't think we can count them because they are not part of the worlds eco-system. Also it helps to look at the people who live on these worlds, unarmed and on open ground who would win a regular catachan or a regulr tribesman from fenris ?

There are wolves on Fenris... that line was simply an author being a smartarse
Catachan get to use modern equipment and are ridiculously muscley whereas Fenrisian tribesman has faught for most of his life and is generally pretty deadly...
Catachan fellows methinks...

Unarmed and on open ground? Fenrisian hands down. Catachans rely on the jungle as part of their weaponry. Plus I imagine that Fenrisians are stronger since they have to carry ridiculous amounts of heavy old weapons and armour, and would be adept at killing people in hand-to-hand.

Andilus Greatsword wrote:

purplefood wrote:

moonshine wrote:Allot of great points have been brought up but there are no wolves on fenris so I don't think we can count them because they are not part of the worlds eco-system. Also it helps to look at the people who live on these worlds, unarmed and on open ground who would win a regular catachan or a regulr tribesman from fenris ?

There are wolves on Fenris... that line was simply an author being a smartarse
Catachan get to use modern equipment and are ridiculously muscley whereas Fenrisian tribesman has faught for most of his life and is generally pretty deadly...
Catachan fellows methinks...

Unarmed and on open ground? Fenrisian hands down. Catachans rely on the jungle as part of their weaponry. Plus I imagine that Fenrisians are stronger since they have to carry ridiculous amounts of heavy old weapons and armour, and would be adept at killing people in hand-to-hand.

Leather and dragonskin probably isn't all that heavy...
Even their weapons are made from bone with metal if their tribe is wealthy.

moonshine wrote:Allot of great points have been brought up but there are no wolves on fenris so I don't think we can count them because they are not part of the worlds eco-system.

Ok seriously let's not have this turn into some debate about wether or not there are wolves on Fenris. I hated that thread with an insane passion. I don't care where they came from or what they originally where there ARE wolves on Fenris, and saying they aren't apart of the ecosystem is a load of bull (no offence). An ecosystem is a community of animals and plants, together with it's environment so even if the wolves aren't originally from Fenris they ARE apart of the ecosystem and so are included in the debate.

Sorry what I meant to say was they are not naturally part of the eco-system, even leman russ technicaly admited they are not natural in prospero burns but anyway that is not the point. Even though it is hard to build on Fenris, Catachan has corrosive vines and poison plants. Also think about it, Fenris is struggeling without technoldigy, Catachan is struggeling even though it has technolidgy. I think a catachn devil could kill a (wolf) from fenris, A catachan devil has the pottential to destroy a tank. Catachan also has the great barking toad

Jackal wrote:Hmm, wolves the size of a rhino or a giant lizard that towers over jungle canopies?

Hmm a pack of wolves that regularly hunt creatures the size of said Lizard.

Also, ive missed something here, whats this about a kraken and where? :O

It's believed that sometime in the distant past a Tyranid Hive Fleet invaded Fenris and failed but it left behind giant Octapus like creatures called Kraken. Also large enough to eat the above said Lizard.


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moonshine wrote:Sorry what I meant to say was they are not naturally part of the eco-system

Natural or not they're still apart of the eco-system, and if Wolves get voted out for not originally being from fenris then so does the Catachan devil because didn't older fluff have it being a left over from a Tyranid invasion?

Even though it is hard to build on Fenris, Catachan has corrosive vines and poison plants.

So Catachan is deadlier because it has venomous flora while Fenris is less deadly because the land is so unstable you're home is more likely to sink into the ground if you aren't killed first?

Also think about it, Fenris is struggeling without technoldigy, Catachan is struggeling even though it has technolidgy.

So whose tougher, the guys who survive incredibly harsh conditions with nothing but dragon hide ships and iron axes. Or the Guys who survive incredibly hard conditions through the use of advanced technology? hmmm

I think a catachn devil could kill a (wolf) from fenris, A catachan devil has the pottential to destroy a tank. Catachan also has the great barking toad

A IG seargent can kill 6 Catachan Devils and you think 1 Catachan Devil can kill an animal that bites the head clean off of Fenrisian Mammoths and Snow Trolls?

On Fenris you can at least build a settlemeny, it will falll into the ocean but you could build another. On Catachan it is hard to even build anything at all.

That was sergent Harker who killed 6 catachan devils, he is an exceptional Catachan not the average sergent.

Catachan has lots of more deadly creatures, it has many types of serpants including the Flying Swamp Mamba, the Coiling Death Cobra and the Catachan Black Viper, and are all deadly to most living beings. Some can kill in under 30 heartbeats.

What I am saying is life on fenris would be easier with thechnolidgy but on catachan it is NEEDED to survive