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Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

Henners91 wrote:Do any SM Chapters recruit from Catachan?

Not directly from the planet but I don't doubt that marines fighting alongside Catachan regiments have recruited a couple promising members over time. If they're young enough

It would be very unlikely that any member of a Catachan regiment would be young enough.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

NagothDaCleaver wrote:Catachan, there are far more ways to die on Catachan then there are on Fenris. Almost every single organism, from bacteria to Catachan Devil is deadly.

Name one thing from Fenris that isn't deadly.

I think of Fenris in the same vein as Nocturne.
Nocturne is no joke as far as death worlds go, almost every living thing that's not a giant monster dies every 15 years on Nocturne.

And as much as I love Fenrisian wolves, they have nothing on the Fire-Drake Salamanders of Nocturne... because they are just gigantic fire breathing Dragons.

I don't see where this comes into play on the discussion since Nocturne isn't Catachan?

Ok on fenris the trees do not try and kill you (there are trees on fenris). On fenris not every fish can kill you either.

Nocturne is similar to Fenris in the sence that they both go through periods of time where the planet heatsd up. Btw I did ask for people to talk about other death worlds that are as/more deadly than either Fenris or Catachan

Yeah but those 2 are in the title...
Not many Deathworlds are... advertised...
False Hope in the Last Chancer's novel is pretty messed up...
The Flesh Tearers homeworld would have easily been classed a deathworld...

Yes but neither of them are as dangerous as Catachan or Fenris

Be fair most Deathworlds are soon tamed or ignored.
Catachan and Fenris are famous because they are held on to repeatedly.
They are dangerous in different ways but both are difficult to live on practically impossible.
Fenris is only habitable because of Asaheim and Catachan because of the technology they use.

Well it is possible to live on Fenris that is not part of Asahiem. I think an outsider would last longer on Fenris than Catachan

To be honest, kraken or not, you see something that size comming, you just cant allways run fast enough (swim?)

Step on a toad on catachin and you, your unit, and 100 square miles get vapourised.




However, this thread wont go anywhere, will just keep going in circles

Jackal wrote:To be honest, kraken or not, you see something that size comming, you just cant allways run fast enough (swim?)

Step on a toad on catachin and you, your unit, and 100 square miles get vapourised.

Exactly. Don't even get me started on the warts.

Remember kids, licking toad is bad, and really fething bad in this case

moonshine wrote:Well it is possible to live on Fenris that is not part of Asahiem. I think an outsider would last longer on Fenris than Catachan

It possible to live on any part of Catachan... but like Fenris nor for very long.
This is gonna go in circles.
They are both bad places to live if you're not hard as nails or insane... just in different ways.

I agree lets just compromise and say that none of us would want to live in either of those places.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Jackal wrote:To be honest, kraken or not, you see something that size comming, you just cant allways run fast enough (swim?)

Step on a toad on catachin and you, your unit, and 100 square miles get vapourised.

Exactly. Don't even get me started on the warts.

"Daddy... Can I touch it?"

"Son wait! No!"

*Last heard from APQ53 sector, shortly thereafter, all contact was lost, and a smoking crater found as the fauna quickly consumed the crater.*

Food for thought though, despite the fact that it may be off topic (note: if it further derails this topic, I will start a new thread), it is hinted that the Tyranids have been to Catachan before, meaning that, potentially, the mutation of plant and animal life could be Tyranic in form. The major flaw in this being that Tyranids leave nothing behind, and so, Catachan seems... Unlikely to have been visited prior.

Psh I'd want to live on Fenris haha


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moonshine wrote:

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

NagothDaCleaver wrote:Catachan, there are far more ways to die on Catachan then there are on Fenris. Almost every single organism, from bacteria to Catachan Devil is deadly.

Name one thing from Fenris that isn't deadly.

I think of Fenris in the same vein as Nocturne.
Nocturne is no joke as far as death worlds go, almost every living thing that's not a giant monster dies every 15 years on Nocturne.

And as much as I love Fenrisian wolves, they have nothing on the Fire-Drake Salamanders of Nocturne... because they are just gigantic fire breathing Dragons.

I don't see where this comes into play on the discussion since Nocturne isn't Catachan?

Ok on fenris the trees do not try and kill you (there are trees on fenris).

I didn't ask you to name something that woulden't try to kill you, I asked you to name something on Fenris that isn't deadly. Trees can be just as deadly as any predator.

On fenris not every fish can kill you either.

And where are you getting this tid bit? Because as far as fluff goes every type of fish ever mentioned in Fenrisian fluff can kill a human.

Nocturne is similar to Fenris in the sence that they both go through periods of time where the planet heatsd up. Btw I did ask for people to talk about other death worlds that are as/more deadly than either Fenris or Catachan

But in comparing which is a harder place to live on Nocturne has no effect on Fenris vs Catachan.

Footsloggin wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Jackal wrote:To be honest, kraken or not, you see something that size comming, you just cant allways run fast enough (swim?)

Step on a toad on catachin and you, your unit, and 100 square miles get vapourised.

Exactly. Don't even get me started on the warts.

"Daddy... Can I touch it?"

"Son wait! No!"

*Last heard from APQ53 sector, shortly thereafter, all contact was lost, and a smoking crater found as the fauna quickly consumed the crater.*

Food for thought though, despite the fact that it may be off topic (note: if it further derails this topic, I will start a new thread), it is hinted that the Tyranids have been to Catachan before, meaning that, potentially, the mutation of plant and animal life could be Tyranic in form. The major flaw in this being that Tyranids leave nothing behind, and so, Catachan seems... Unlikely to have been visited prior.

Damn Catachan Toads!
You kind of got it. It's theorized by some that Catachan was partially Tyranoformed. It's complicated but the first step in Tyranoforming before the hivefleet arrives is for the all the flora to grow completely out of control and go ballistic. For whatever reason no hivefleet arrived and it remained crazy and life adapted and evolved. That's why everything on Catachan is just absolutely ridiculous.

Catachan. In all the Codex fluff they mention how everything on the planet is trying to kill you... Space Wolves at least have a place where you can be relatively safe. Catachan has nothing like that.

I remember an article on GW website on the creatures on catachan and one of them is believed to be a descendent of the Tyranids.

The article was posted about 5 years ago so I can't show pics of it

The Catachan Barking Toad doesn't explode as such but realeses a toxin that kills anything within a square kilometer.

Even sealed power armour doesn't protect you

This is how i figure it:
On Catachan, an outsider would have far greater problems surviving than the same person would have on Fenris. HOWEVER, i think survival is easier for the natives of Catachan. Why? Because almost everything on Catachan that can kill you, can also pretty easily be killed by you, since most of it kills by other means than raw strength (poisons, infecting the neural system, liquefying brains, etc.). Yes, I am aware of the Devil, but i don't see that as something that can't be killed by a bunch of commandos armed with lasguns. If you just keep a watchful eye on your surroundings, something that the Catachans constantly do, you'll be fine. On Fenris, however, almost everything that tries to kill you is something you can't escape, be it extreme weather or sea wyrm. They have to prevail by sheer wits and strength, and they have to go face-to face with all these horrors who can smash their boat to pieces in a single heartbeat.

Catachan, the Planet it self is trying to kill you, On Fenris the animals try to kill you,

I hate to be an IG fan boy but im going catachan,

Dont get me wrong Both are about equal, in my book, But Fenris must be stable enough for a chapter to live there, But they once even look twice at catachan.

TPSOhuzzar wrote:Catachan, the Planet it self is trying to kill you, On Fenris the animals try to kill you,

So you're just gonna ignore the extremly cold tempratures of Fenris which can kill, the constantly changing landmass which can kill both directly and indirectly or the massive volcanic eruptions which can kill. All caused by the planet.

Dont get me wrong Both are about equal, in my book, But Fenris must be stable enough for a chapter to live there, But they once even look twice at catachan.

Except that chapters don't chose their homeworlds (if they have the option to) based off of if it's stable, a BA successor deliberatly chose a home world because alot of their marines where killed on it in the first few days.

And no chapter lives on any world that supplies major IG regiments (except the UM) because if a SM chapter inhabits the planet then that planet dosen't have to pay Imperial tithes in soldiers and so the Imperium would be losing huge amounts of soldiers. It's not because the planet is to dangerous for marines to live there.


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BluntmanDC wrote:

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

Henners91 wrote:Do any SM Chapters recruit from Catachan?

Not directly from the planet but I don't doubt that marines fighting alongside Catachan regiments have recruited a couple promising members over time. If they're young enough

It would be very unlikely that any member of a Catachan regiment would be young enough.

I've never seen any fluff stating at what age any of the IG regiments begin recruiting so for all you know it could be at age 12 (especially since some of them have white shield corps composed of younger members). So it actually isn't very unlikely and is just as possible as the Chapter recruiting from any other source.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:I didn't ask you to name something that woulden't try to kill you, I asked you to name something on Fenris that isn't deadly. Trees can be just as deadly as any predator.

"I didn't ask you to name something that wouldn't kill you, I asked for something on Fenris that isn't deadly."

That. Is priceless.

And apparently trees on Fenris are as deadly as the predators there.

On fenris not every fish can kill you either.

And where are you getting this tid bit? Because as far as fluff goes every type of fish ever mentioned in Fenrisian fluff can kill a human.

Impossible. There cannot be predators without prey, therefore there must be something at the bottom of the food pyramid to provide sustenance for these killer fish. The climate on Fenris is simply too harsh for humans to breed enough to be the sole food source for all these animals.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
I don't see where this comes into play on the discussion since Nocturne isn't Catachan?

Maybe if you read the original post it would make sense to you.

moonshine wrote: If anybody knows a death wolrd they consider more dangerous than either of them please tell us about it.

That is why I brought up the fact that I think Nocturne, while not more dangerous, is on par with Fenris

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
Name one thing from Fenris that isn't deadly.

Ok: sun-spawned plankton

I think that both worlds are deadly, if an outsider landed on either they would not live long. I think that if a someone from Fenris was sent to Catachan they would not last 5 seconds. I think a Catachan could survive for longer than 5 seconds on Fenris

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:I didn't ask you to name something that woulden't try to kill you, I asked you to name something on Fenris that isn't deadly. Trees can be just as deadly as any predator.

"I didn't ask you to name something that wouldn't try to kill you, I asked for something on Fenris that isn't deadly."

That. Is priceless.

And apparently trees on Fenris are as deadly as the predators there.

I fixed your own little quote so it says what I put. And as I said, a tree can be just as deadly as ANY predator. A tree can kill someone just as easily.

On fenris not every fish can kill you either.

And where are you getting this tid bit? Because as far as fluff goes every type of fish ever mentioned in Fenrisian fluff can kill a human.

Impossible. There cannot be predators without prey, therefore there must be something at the bottom of the food pyramid to provide sustenance for these killer fish. The climate on Fenris is simply too harsh for humans to breed enough to be the sole food source for all these animals.

Yak9UT wrote:I remember an article on GW website on the creatures on catachan and one of them is believed to be a descendent of the Tyranids.

The article was posted about 5 years ago so I can't show pics of it

The Catachan Barking Toad doesn't explode as such but realeses a toxin that kills anything within a square kilometer.

Even sealed power armour doesn't protect you

Oh ok, its just a toad that can pierce power armour with neurotoxins. Phew, thought it was something dangerous.

NagothDaCleaver wrote:

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
I don't see where this comes into play on the discussion since Nocturne isn't Catachan?

Maybe if you read the original post it would make sense to you.

Maybe if you woulden't make idiotic statements it would save us all some time considering I had already said in a discussion concerning Catachan vs Fenris. I have read the OP and am well aware that the OP asked people to talk about other deathworlds .

moonshine wrote:

If anybody knows a death world they consider more dangerous than either of them please tell us about it.

That is why I brought up the fact that I think Nocturne, while not more dangerous, is on par with Fenris

oh yes that's why the fluff of Nocturne has it listed as being tied with one of the top 3 most dangerous planets in the Imperium. Oh wait, it dosen't. And if all you have as reason for why it's "on par" with Fenris is because tectonic activity and giant fire breathing lizards you need to rehash what "on par" means.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

Name one thing from Fenris that isn't deadly.

Ok: sun-spawned plankton

So you're assuming that there IS plankton on Fenris, this is not Earth. Because Earths oceans have plankton does not mean the oceans of Fenris do and IF they do who is to say that they're anything like those of Earth?

AFAIK the prime hunting for the islands come from Orca (Killer Whales) which isn't particuarly safe.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

NagothDaCleaver wrote:

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
I don't see where this comes into play on the discussion since Nocturne isn't Catachan?

Maybe if you read the original post it would make sense to you.

Maybe if you woulden't make idiotic statements it would save us all some time considering I had already said in a discussion concerning Catachan vs Fenris. I have read the OP and am well aware that the OP asked people to talk about other deathworlds .

Thanks for trying to be insulting, you sir are a champion. I was pointing out that the conversation is not just about Catachan Vs Fenris. Maybe to you it is, but luckily there are far more people on this board to talk to than just you. This includes the original poster, to whom I was speaking to.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
Ok: sun-spawned plankton
So you're assuming that there IS plankton on Fenris, this is not Earth. Because Earths oceans have plankton does not mean the oceans of Fenris do and IF they do who is to say that they're anything like those of Earth?

All this talk of background material and you haven't even read the entirety of the codex. I don't have to assume there is plankton on Fenris, I don't base my arguments on assumtions as you seem to. I can back up everything I say. Page 6. of Codex Space Wolves, 5th paragraph

Codex: Space Wolves wrote:During this period, the ice retreats to the world's poles and the gargantuan dwellers of the deep waters emerge to enjoy the bounty of sun-spawned plankton, bladefish and other short-lived aquatic fauna.

I don't actually think that this takes away from the planet's Deathworldness, but you asked and I answered.
Also, bear in mind that Fenris also has a few birds that are not all deadly towards man, the ravens that are made into Cyber Ravens that become Choosers of the Slain.

The Catachan Barking Toad doesn't explode as such but realeses a toxin that kills anything within a square kilometer.

Even sealed power armour doesn't protect you

That was indded an article in a GW mag.
And about 5 years is also correct.

It was part 1 of thier creature feature.


The toad in there was actually the lesser barking toad, which was still a S10 AP1 pie plate.
Also, your correct on the mothod, which is why i said vapourised.
The normal barking toadk will ruin entire continents.


The tyrannic creature your talking about would be the "Slaver"
It was a up-turned squig with tenticles comming out of it.
Pretty much a lash prince that can make a unit shoot another friendly unit. (gave the an enemy unit for a whole turn)

That WD mag also included the hunting dogs, croctalids (?) carnosaur and megosaur and another one i think.
Ill have to dig it out later on.
I do have the rules printed out though from when it was a DL on GW's site.



For anyone that was interested, it was a 2 part feature.
2nd part had a few more in it like the colossus (zoat) and some weird ones.
also included charts and rules to make your own creatures.

Jackal wrote:

The tyrannic creature your talking about would be the "Slaver"
It was a up-turned squig with tenticles comming out of it.
Pretty much a lash prince that can make a unit shoot another friendly unit. (gave the an enemy unit for a whole turn)

To be fair to Fenris though, it also has monsters that are speculated to be a "left over Tyranid Bio-Weapon" and those are the Krakens.

yes but if the kraken got near the Braking toad, the Barking toad would kill it (and itself)