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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/01 08:31:25
Subject: Re:Catachan or Fenris ?
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Renegade Inquisitor de Marche
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Brotherjulian wrote:your avatar is a space wolf emblem Purplefood. No one is going to convince you of this but Fenris is all bad to a Space Wolf player. If you don't have a Space Wolves codex it's only a foot note. EVERY ONE in 40k knows Catachan is the original definition of a Deathworld!
-full disclosure, I don't play Space Wolves or Catachans although a few Catachan models slip into my Tallarn regiment once in awhile
I've already admitted Catachan is #1
What i won't agree with is people saying Fenris isn't #2
Or that anyone can survive on it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/01 13:23:16
Subject: Re:Catachan or Fenris ?
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Sneaky Kommando
Atlanta
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Fenris in Most definitely a Deathworld. The newest Space Wolf codex lists it among the three worst Deathworlds known to man.
As for a Catachan Vs a Fenrisian, I would say that completely depends on location and on the individuals fighting. There are many scenarios in which Fenrisians could take out Catachans.
But in most cases the Catachans would have the edge because they are so much stronger. Because Catachan, besides being the craziest Deathworld in the galaxy, also has a higher than normal Gravity and the Catachans are stronger than normal people when they are off world.
Remember Catachans have the nickname "Baby Ogryns"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/01 16:51:38
Subject: Re:Catachan or Fenris ?
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Stalwart Veteran Guard Sergeant
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NagothDaCleaver wrote:Fenris in Most definitely a Deathworld. The newest Space Wolf codex lists it among the three worst Deathworlds known to man.
Wait, three Deathworlds known to man? What sort of crock is that? There are a lot more than three deathworlds. I'm fairly sure the Catachan 'dex mentions like a half-dozen.
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"I went into a hobby-shop to play m'self a game,
The 'ouse Guru 'e up an' sez "The Guard is weak and lame!"
The Chaos gits around the shelves they laughed and snickered in my face,
I outs into the street again an' grabbed my figure-case."
Oh it's "Angels this" an' "Space-wolves that", and "Guardsmen, go away!";
But it's "Thank you for the ordnance" when the Guard begins to play,
O it's "LOOK AT ALL THE ORDNANCE!" when the Guard begins to play.."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/01 17:06:55
Subject: Re:Catachan or Fenris ?
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Monstrous Master Moulder
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Ogiwan wrote:NagothDaCleaver wrote:Fenris in Most definitely a Deathworld. The newest Space Wolf codex lists it among the three worst Deathworlds known to man.
Wait, three Deathworlds known to man? What sort of crock is that? There are a lot more than three deathworlds. I'm fairly sure the Catachan 'dex mentions like a half-dozen.
The three worst.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/01 17:16:57
Subject: Catachan or Fenris ?
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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I believe Baal or some fan made planets might be deathworlds.
Do we know any other deathworlds apart from Fenris and Catachan?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/01 17:28:24
Subject: Catachan or Fenris ?
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Renegade Inquisitor de Marche
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Asherian Command wrote:I believe Baal or some fan made planets might be deathworlds.
Do we know any other deathworlds apart from Fenris and Catachan?
False Hope
Cretacia
Nocturne
Krieg
Kanak
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"You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/01 17:35:01
Subject: Catachan or Fenris ?
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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purplefood wrote:Asherian Command wrote:I believe Baal or some fan made planets might be deathworlds.
Do we know any other deathworlds apart from Fenris and Catachan?
False Hope
Cretacia
Nocturne
Krieg
Kanak
Cretacia has got to be one of the worst.
Nocturne is bad.
Caliban was really bad, too bad it was destroyed...
Krieg is still bad but it only has a bad environment.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/01 17:42:45
Subject: Catachan or Fenris ?
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
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Luther Mcyntyre.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/01 17:51:07
Subject: Catachan or Fenris ?
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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KamikazeCanuck wrote:Luther Mcyntyre.
What?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 1923/06/01 18:20:54
Subject: Catachan or Fenris ?
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
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Asherian Command wrote:KamikazeCanuck wrote:Luther Mcyntyre.
What?
What? It's one of many worlds more deadly than Fenris
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/01 19:46:59
Subject: Catachan or Fenris ?
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Sneaky Kommando
Atlanta
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Calm down everybody! As someone else pointed out I said one of the three worst deathworlds, not one of the three only deathworlds.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Asherian Command wrote:KamikazeCanuck wrote:Luther Mcyntyre.
What?
What? It's one of many worlds more deadly than Fenris
Luther Macintyre has never been listed anywhere as more deadly than any other deathworld, so I doubt it. It's a dessert world that has Ambulls and possibly Necrons on it...
Fenris however is listed in the newest codex as being one of the 3 worst death worlds. So, if it has been stated that Luther Macintyre is more deadly than Fenris than it is really close.
Newest codex trumps all previous lore, so you can't argue that there many worlds more deadly than fenris, because there can only be 2, if that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/01 19:49:15
Subject: Catachan or Fenris ?
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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NagothDaCleaver wrote:Calm down everybody! As someone else pointed out I said one of the three worst deathworlds, not one of the three only deathworlds.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Asherian Command wrote:KamikazeCanuck wrote:Luther Mcyntyre.
What?
What? It's one of many worlds more deadly than Fenris
Luther Macintyre has never been listed anywhere as more deadly than any other deathworld, so I doubt it. It's a dessert world that has Ambulls and possibly Necrons on it...
Fenris however is listed in the newest codex as being one of the 3 worst death worlds. So, if it has been stated that Luther Macintyre is more deadly than Fenris than it is really close.
Newest codex trumps all previous lore, so you can't argue that there many worlds more deadly than fenris, because there can only be 2, if that.
I say the 2nd deadlist is Nocturne the animals and flora that live on Nocturne are really deadly. They spew lava and explosives at you. Nocturne is probably more deadlier than Fenris.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/01 20:01:12
Subject: Catachan or Fenris ?
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Sneaky Kommando
Atlanta
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Asherian Command wrote:
I say the 2nd deadlist is Nocturne the animals and flora that live on Nocturne are really deadly. They spew lava and explosives at you. Nocturne is probably more deadlier than Fenris.
I would say it's either Nocturne or Cretacia that is in the Top 3 with Catachan and Fenris.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, and Baal isn't a Deathworld... it just sucks.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/01 22:02:03
Subject: Re:Catachan or Fenris ?
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Homicidal Veteran Blood Angel Assault Marine
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I'm not sure of Baal, could be a death world. The natives live on the moons orbiting it (it's radiated but not I think immediately deadly). You say the Fenris deathworld information is in the latest Wolfie codex, so that's new retconning to me. Understand my game knowledge is rooted in 2nd ed and it was never implied then
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/01 22:02:26
Subject: Catachan or Fenris ?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I would say it is Cretacia and Catachan. Catachan is widely belived to be the most dangerous death world in the Impirium
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/01 23:26:35
Subject: Catachan or Fenris ?
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
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Cretacia - hadn't heard of that one. Good planet of death.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/02 10:29:16
Subject: Catachan or Fenris ?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Australia (Recently ravaged by the Hive Fleet Ginger Overlord)
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It's well established that Catachan takes the cake, and I don't see why people are still trying to place Fenris as running second.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/02 12:13:37
Subject: Catachan or Fenris ?
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Oberfeldwebel
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moonshine wrote:I think an un-armed Catachan could kill an fully armed tribesman from Fenris on open ground, think about it :
1) A Catachan grows up on a world where everything tries to kill you and he has probably doddged enough Catachan devils and poisen plants to be able to dodge an axe.
2) That same Catachan would be faster than a Tribesman, the Catachan has probably had to run away in the middle of a forest where everything tries to kill him so loicaly he would be very agile and fast.
3) A Catachan has to get through the jungles so he would be pretty strong and have tuff vines that need to be broken.
4) Catachans can snap an Orks kneck in combat, Imagine what he would do to a tribesman.
5) the Catachan would be familiar with knife fighting and would knock the axe out of the Fenrisians hand (the Fenrisian would probably miss him and end up having to pull his axe back up) and I think a good roundhouse kick from a Catachan or a punch in the face from him would kill a tribesman or at least stun him whilst the Catachan breaks his kneck.
you forgot a little detail, apart of all you mentioned, Catachan has a greater gravity than most planets, obviously not as great as the planets where the ogryns came from, but enough to affect the grow of the population...i mean, all Catachans (men and women) seems at least, fit if not entirely muscle bounded, due in great mesure for the gravity, for a Catachan, to move, fight, jump, whatever in a more normal gravity, it's a kids game!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/02 17:18:49
Subject: Catachan or Fenris ?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Yeah that aswell, I don' think it would be easy for a Fenrisian to hurt Catachan
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/04 18:31:26
Subject: Re:Catachan or Fenris ?
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Stalwart Veteran Guard Sergeant
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winnertakesall wrote:Ogiwan wrote:NagothDaCleaver wrote:Fenris in Most definitely a Deathworld. The newest Space Wolf codex lists it among the three worst Deathworlds known to man.
Wait, three Deathworlds known to man? What sort of crock is that? There are a lot more than three deathworlds. I'm fairly sure the Catachan 'dex mentions like a half-dozen.
The three worst.
Oops. My bad for misreading.
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"I went into a hobby-shop to play m'self a game,
The 'ouse Guru 'e up an' sez "The Guard is weak and lame!"
The Chaos gits around the shelves they laughed and snickered in my face,
I outs into the street again an' grabbed my figure-case."
Oh it's "Angels this" an' "Space-wolves that", and "Guardsmen, go away!";
But it's "Thank you for the ordnance" when the Guard begins to play,
O it's "LOOK AT ALL THE ORDNANCE!" when the Guard begins to play.."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/04 19:49:52
Subject: Catachan or Fenris ?
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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Emperors Faithful wrote:@Warboss: Where are the deadly trees on Fenris? BTW, if something can't try and kill you, it isn't really classed as deadly.
    umm no that's not how it works, one thing actually trying to kill another does not make it deadly it just shows intent to kill. A 3 year old with a rubber duck could try to kill someone that dosen't mean that he or she is deadly.
If a person slips and falls off a clif that's high enough it can be deadly, but by your logic because the cliff didn't activly try to kill the person it isn't 'classed' as deadly. A soldier inhales mustard gas and it kills him, but again by your logic the gas didn't activly try to kill him so it isn't deadly. Your statement implies that only something with intelligence (as only things with intelligence can choose to try anything) can be classed as deadly. Yet hurricanes, tornados, earthquakes, fludds, fires, landslides, avalanches, explosions, gases, temperature, starvation, dehydration and many many more things which do not have intelligence (or life for that matter) and do not try to activley kill anyone are all considered deadly.
Anything that can kill wether it tries to do it or not is deadly including trees. So saying that Catachan is deadlier then Fenris because even the trees and other plants can kill you doesen't make it a harder place to live because on Fenris trees and plants can kill you as well and can be just as deadly. The differance comes when the plants of Catachan activley try to kill.
And another point to those who are saying that half the population of Catachan dies before reaching adulthood and then half again after reaching it. On Fenris when a child is born it's given an axe, if it dosen't grab the axe then it's killed because it won't be strong enough to survive and will use up resources. You may lose half your population from the dangers, but we lose a portion of ours because we kill them if they can't survive.
That being said this thread is going to go around in circles
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/06 03:43:39
Subject: Catachan or Fenris ?
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moonshine wrote:I think an un-armed Catachan could kill an fully armed tribesman from Fenris on open ground, think about it :
1) A Catachan grows up on a world where everything tries to kill you and he has probably doddged enough Catachan devils and poisen plants to be able to dodge an axe.
2) That same Catachan would be faster than a Tribesman, the Catachan has probably had to run away in the middle of a forest where everything tries to kill him so loicaly he would be very agile and fast.
3) A Catachan has to get through the jungles so he would be pretty strong and have tuff vines that need to be broken.
4) Catachans can snap an Orks kneck in combat, Imagine what he would do to a tribesman.
5) the Catachan would be familiar with knife fighting and would knock the axe out of the Fenrisians hand (the Fenrisian would probably miss him and end up having to pull his axe back up) and I think a good roundhouse kick from a Catachan or a punch in the face from him would kill a tribesman or at least stun him whilst the Catachan breaks his kneck.
Okay, since we're going to make ridiculous claims based on fallacious logic and rampant fanboyisms; ahem.
1) A Fenrisian grows up on a world where everything tries to kill you and he has probably dodged enough enemies weapons or claws/ teeth of ferocious animals to be able to dodge a bulky catachan.
2) That same Fenrisian would be faster than a Catachan, the Fenrisian has probably had to run away in the middle of a frozen ocean/ snow-covered wasteland where it is incredibly difficult to run at all, AND everything tries to kill him so logicaly he would be very agile and fast.
3) A Fenrisian has to trudge through the snowdrifts, or oar a ship for most of his life, so he would be pretty strong.
4) At least one young Fenrisian kills an ice troll, after it slaughters his entire family ( Space Wolf). If a 10-14 year old Fenrisian youth can kill a ferocious beast at least as big as a Astartes, how difficult could a bulky human be, for the kids?
5) The Fenrisian would be familiar with axe fighting, and would know how to use his weapon. (Hey, he IS still alive at this point in his career, right?). I think a good axe swing/ spear thrust from the Fenrisian would just kill the Catachan.
You see? This is rather silly.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/06 11:27:26
Subject: Catachan or Fenris ?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Australia (Recently ravaged by the Hive Fleet Ginger Overlord)
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Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Emperors Faithful wrote:@Warboss: Where are the deadly trees on Fenris? BTW, if something can't try and kill you, it isn't really classed as deadly.
    umm no that's not how it works, one thing actually trying to kill another does not make it deadly it just shows intent to kill. A 3 year old with a rubber duck could try to kill someone that dosen't mean that he or she is deadly.
If a person slips and falls off a clif that's high enough it can be deadly, but by your logic because the cliff didn't activly try to kill the person it isn't 'classed' as deadly. A soldier inhales mustard gas and it kills him, but again by your logic the gas didn't activly try to kill him so it isn't deadly. Your statement implies that only something with intelligence (as only things with intelligence can choose to try anything) can be classed as deadly. Yet hurricanes, tornados, earthquakes, fludds, fires, landslides, avalanches, explosions, gases, temperature, starvation, dehydration and many many more things which do not have intelligence (or life for that matter) and do not try to activley kill anyone are all considered deadly.
Nice semantic arguement here. You done?
Anything that can kill wether it tries to do it or not is deadly including trees. So saying that Catachan is deadlier then Fenris because even the trees and other plants can kill you doesen't make it a harder place to live because on Fenris trees and plants can kill you as well and can be just as deadly. The differance comes when the plants of Catachan activley try to kill.
What exactly are Fenrisians doing that makes the trees deadly?
Because you're failing so far.
On Fenris when a child is born it's given an axe, if it dosen't grab the axe then it's killed because it won't be strong enough to survive and will use up resources.
Which is really dumb and superstitious when you think about it, and nothing like the natural way in which Catachan's are weaned out.
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