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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/31 07:00:28
Subject: Catachan or Fenris ?
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Sneaky Kommando
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Yak9UT wrote:moonshine wrote:Lexicanicum is not allways right, that might have just been one space wolf fans opinion. You can only prove that statement of you find where it says that in some OFFICIAL fluff
I agree.
but the article is there for anyone to read it.
Mind you some of the sources are old as well so could be out of date with the modern fluff.
Also, this isn't really a discussion limited to animals. While animals contribute heavily to Fenris bieing a Death world, Catachan has deadly plant life, inscet life and horrible diseases that put it over the top.
Besides, whoever made that statement about Fenris haveing deadier animals obviously wasn't taking into account the Barking Toad. There is nothing on fenris that is anywhere close to as deadly.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/31 09:31:05
Subject: Catachan or Fenris ?
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I see it this way. A normal human would freeze to death on Fenris without some sort of support. A normal human on Catachan would probably die, but some would survive-
Catachan was colonized by humans longer than Imperial records can remember. When the first probes arrived, the planet was a deceptive, calm green orb from orbit but when the colony ships crash-landed and the colonists had no way to escape, they awoke to find themselves on one of the harshest planets in the galaxy. The colonists only barely survived, holed up in their spacecraft against a living, besieging jungle, a battle for survival in which many undoubtedly died. -
So basically, I think Fenris is more deadly in the immediate term - if you survive the Temp you'd be okay for a bit. Whereas Catachan would be more deadly in the middle term - from 5 mins to a few months.
Then Fenris takes it back in the long term with the lands sinking/exploding/melting/breaking and the tsunamis and sea monster and what not. If you survive the acclimating process on Catachan, apparently you can eke out an existence, whereas there's no guarantee of that on Fenris.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/31 12:44:00
Subject: Catachan or Fenris ?
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Um. What's the mortality rate on Fenris? On Catachan, its stated as....a quarter of children making it to adulthood?
Also, its not like the Catachans have a Radio Shack or whatever from which they can get their "advanced technology." Most of the imports of Catachan, to my knowledge, are those medicines and technology. Most of the exports are....Catachan Jungle Fighters.
As for it being all sorts of cold, well, Valhalla's pretty damn cold too, but people live there. On the other end of the spectrum, Tallaran is a desert world. I don't think temperature has as much an effect on habitability as you think it does (given, of course, that said temperature is in the human habitability sone to begin with, and not like Venus-melting temperatures).
Now, somebody mentioned the diseases earlier, and I think that bears repeating. Diseases, pathogens, and parasites so virulent that they can kill a man within a day. So, on Catachan, if you get *scratched*, you can die. Probably painfully, too. How about on Fenris?
Last, I think (though I haven't read pages 2-4) that people are overlooking the whole sightline thing. I'm envisioning Fenris as a mountainous, craggy place. Like Iceland or Norway with an attitude. Do I have it about right? Sure, the mountains and rocks and stuff cut the sightline down to...a couple hundred meters.
Well, on Catachan, the jungle is so thick that I'd be surprised if you can see longer than a couple *dozen* meters. Now, what sense do humans rely on the most?
Sight.
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The 'ouse Guru 'e up an' sez "The Guard is weak and lame!"
The Chaos gits around the shelves they laughed and snickered in my face,
I outs into the street again an' grabbed my figure-case."
Oh it's "Angels this" an' "Space-wolves that", and "Guardsmen, go away!";
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O it's "LOOK AT ALL THE ORDNANCE!" when the Guard begins to play.."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/31 13:01:32
Subject: Catachan or Fenris ?
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Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:purplefood wrote:Out of those 2...
If you're attacking it probably Fenris but if you simply live their then probably Catachan...
Fenris has only 1 stable area of landmass and it's forbidden for the planets normal populous to live there. The temperature on Fenris can kill you quicker then the Temperature on Catachan can. Fenris is home to the greatest predator in the galaxy (the wolves not the marines). And Fenris has fauna that can swallow an entire longboat if not an island.
I'd say Fenris is more dangerous to live on. Catachan may have deadly Flora and Fauna but at least it's warm and the land you live on won't sink into the sea.
Read the Lost City of Z. There are reasons we know the jungle as the Green Hell, and that's just on Earth.
Very icky nasty stuff in our own jungles here, on the level you think has to be science fiction. So a sci-fi jungle that would eat ours for breakfast? Perfectly healthy men that have maggots begin to thrive under the skin, necrosis diseases that eat your flesh without needing a wound to fester in, no food at all on the jungle floor because everything (and I mean everything) is a predator....and that's the Amazon.
It doesn't have to fall into the ocean, whole civilizations disappear overnight in the Amazon alone due to rampant vegitation growth.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/31 13:22:55
Subject: Re:Catachan or Fenris ?
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Yeah, Cold does not a Deathworld make. There are plenty of Ice planets in the Galaxay. Besides if Environment alone was the basis of a Deathworld than Krieg would win hands down. On Krieg the environmental conditions forces the population to wear air filtration systems to avoid being killed by the toxic atmosphere.
Hell, if Environment were a deciding factor in naming a planet a Deathworld, than any planet with an uninhabitable atmosphere, or no atmosphere at all, would be a death world. So then Venus would be a crazier Deathworld than Catachan and Fenris combined. The galaxy would be mostly "Deathworlds" all of which putting Fenris and Catachan to shame.
So, no, environment and weather are only a small factor in a planet being declared a Deathworld. Flora, Fauna, Tectonic activity, Volcatinc Activity, Weather and other factors all play into it.
Not just... "Oh crap! It's Cold!"
Because the surface of the moon is more cold, and it's not a Deathmoon.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/31 15:18:14
Subject: Catachan or Fenris ?
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Catachan also has the fact theat the entire planet tries to kill you, Catachan is like one big living being that tries to kill anythnig that lands on it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/31 16:44:23
Subject: Catachan or Fenris ?
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Votes going with Catachan. Fenris would unleash a herd of ravenous giant wolves mounted on the back of a Kraken. Only to be horribly vaporised from a single sun bathing toad.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/31 16:46:27
Subject: Re:Catachan or Fenris ?
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NagothDaCleaver wrote:Yeah, Cold does not a Deathworld make. There are plenty of Ice planets in the Galaxay. Besides if Environment alone was the basis of a Deathworld than Krieg would win hands down. On Krieg the environmental conditions forces the population to wear air filtration systems to avoid being killed by the toxic atmosphere.
Hell, if Environment were a deciding factor in naming a planet a Deathworld, than any planet with an uninhabitable atmosphere, or no atmosphere at all, would be a death world. So then Venus would be a crazier Deathworld than Catachan and Fenris combined. The galaxy would be mostly "Deathworlds" all of which putting Fenris and Catachan to shame.
So, no, environment and weather are only a small factor in a planet being declared a Deathworld. Flora, Fauna, Tectonic activity, Volcatinc Activity, Weather and other factors all play into it.
Not just... "Oh crap! It's Cold!"
Because the surface of the moon is more cold, and it's not a Deathmoon.
Those are called Gas Planets mate. And deathworld = world still hospitable to mankind. So no.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/31 17:08:04
Subject: Re:Catachan or Fenris ?
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Sneaky Kommando
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Asherian Command wrote:NagothDaCleaver wrote:Yeah, Cold does not a Deathworld make. There are plenty of Ice planets in the Galaxay. Besides if Environment alone was the basis of a Deathworld than Krieg would win hands down. On Krieg the environmental conditions forces the population to wear air filtration systems to avoid being killed by the toxic atmosphere.
Hell, if Environment were a deciding factor in naming a planet a Deathworld, than any planet with an uninhabitable atmosphere, or no atmosphere at all, would be a death world. So then Venus would be a crazier Deathworld than Catachan and Fenris combined. The galaxy would be mostly "Deathworlds" all of which putting Fenris and Catachan to shame.
So, no, environment and weather are only a small factor in a planet being declared a Deathworld. Flora, Fauna, Tectonic activity, Volcatinc Activity, Weather and other factors all play into it.
Not just... "Oh crap! It's Cold!"
Because the surface of the moon is more cold, and it's not a Deathmoon.
Those are called Gas Planets mate. And deathworld = world still hospitable to mankind. So no.
Yes, I know, that was exactly my point: that environment, by itself, means very little when classifying something as a Deathworld. It's just one aspect.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/31 17:12:33
Subject: Re:Catachan or Fenris ?
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NagothDaCleaver wrote:Asherian Command wrote:NagothDaCleaver wrote:Yeah, Cold does not a Deathworld make. There are plenty of Ice planets in the Galaxay. Besides if Environment alone was the basis of a Deathworld than Krieg would win hands down. On Krieg the environmental conditions forces the population to wear air filtration systems to avoid being killed by the toxic atmosphere.
Hell, if Environment were a deciding factor in naming a planet a Deathworld, than any planet with an uninhabitable atmosphere, or no atmosphere at all, would be a death world. So then Venus would be a crazier Deathworld than Catachan and Fenris combined. The galaxy would be mostly "Deathworlds" all of which putting Fenris and Catachan to shame.
So, no, environment and weather are only a small factor in a planet being declared a Deathworld. Flora, Fauna, Tectonic activity, Volcatinc Activity, Weather and other factors all play into it.
Not just... "Oh crap! It's Cold!"
Because the surface of the moon is more cold, and it's not a Deathmoon.
Those are called Gas Planets mate. And deathworld = world still hospitable to mankind. So no.
Yes, I know, that was exactly my point: that environment, by itself, means very little when classifying something as a Deathworld. It's just one aspect.
did you not read what I wrote Deathworlds are still hospitable to man THAT IS THE ORDER!.
To quote
Death Worlds are worlds classified by the Administratum of the Imperium as a planet with a climate, terrain, or ecosystem that is highly dangerous to human life, to the point of being nearly unlivable. Nonetheless, many of these worlds have large human settlements, notable for the strength and self-reliance of their people. On many Death Worlds the human population is divided into tribes. Due to the harsh conditions living to the age of 35 is nearly impossible.
This makes it a great place to recruit marines, and such!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/31 17:17:24
Subject: Catachan or Fenris ?
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Renegade Inquisitor de Marche
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Fenris isn't just cold...
Every 2 years the planet goes through its summer. This consists of the seas boiling and massive earthquakes and volcanos wrecking the place. The tribes are forced out into the sea to look for a new place to live. They are attacked by sea dragons and kraken as well as other tribes searching for new land.
The only safe place is Asahiem which is the primary hunting ground of Blackmane Wolves which are the sixe of a man and far more cunning.
Fenris also passes through a ring of space debris causing showers of meteor s to hit across the planet.
It's a pretty damn dangerous place to live though i'll admit it is only second to Catachan.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/31 17:17:53
Subject: Re:Catachan or Fenris ?
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Sneaky Kommando
Atlanta
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Asherian Command wrote:NagothDaCleaver wrote:Asherian Command wrote:NagothDaCleaver wrote:Yeah, Cold does not a Deathworld make. There are plenty of Ice planets in the Galaxay. Besides if Environment alone was the basis of a Deathworld than Krieg would win hands down. On Krieg the environmental conditions forces the population to wear air filtration systems to avoid being killed by the toxic atmosphere.
Hell, if Environment were a deciding factor in naming a planet a Deathworld, than any planet with an uninhabitable atmosphere, or no atmosphere at all, would be a death world. So then Venus would be a crazier Deathworld than Catachan and Fenris combined. The galaxy would be mostly "Deathworlds" all of which putting Fenris and Catachan to shame.
So, no, environment and weather are only a small factor in a planet being declared a Deathworld. Flora, Fauna, Tectonic activity, Volcatinc Activity, Weather and other factors all play into it.
Not just... "Oh crap! It's Cold!"
Because the surface of the moon is more cold, and it's not a Deathmoon.
Those are called Gas Planets mate. And deathworld = world still hospitable to mankind. So no.
Yes, I know, that was exactly my point: that environment, by itself, means very little when classifying something as a Deathworld. It's just one aspect.
did you not read what I wrote Deathworlds are still hospitable to man THAT IS THE ORDER!.
To quote
Death Worlds are worlds classified by the Administratum of the Imperium as a planet with a climate, terrain, or ecosystem that is highly dangerous to human life, to the point of being nearly unlivable. Nonetheless, many of these worlds have large human settlements, notable for the strength and self-reliance of their people. On many Death Worlds the human population is divided into tribes. Due to the harsh conditions living to the age of 35 is nearly impossible.
This makes it a great place to recruit marines, and such!
Um...yes? There must be a disconnect here, because I am agreeing with you. My post above i stated that:
Nagoth wrote:Hell, if Environment were a deciding factor in naming a planet a Deathworld, than any planet with an uninhabitable atmosphere, or no atmosphere at all, would be a death world. So then Venus would be a crazier Deathworld than Catachan and Fenris combined.
By stating this I was showing that a nonhospitable planet is not considered a Deathworld. Automatically Appended Next Post: purplefood wrote:Fenris isn't just cold...
Oh definitely! There were just alot of posts in a row a few pages back that were along the lines of "Fenris is Colder than Catachan so it is deadlier."
That's what I was responding too.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/31 17:25:27
Subject: Catachan or Fenris ?
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Yes, the sea dragons are so fierce thier skin is used to cover longships lol.
These are creatures that are being killed by the most basic weapons possible.
Catachin has tech, and still struggles as the most danger posed there is the actual planet its self, not what lives on it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/31 17:28:02
Subject: Catachan or Fenris ?
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Renegade Inquisitor de Marche
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Jackal wrote:Yes, the sea dragons are so fierce thier skin is used to cover longships lol.
These are creatures that are being killed by the most basic weapons possible.
Catachin has tech, and still struggles as the most danger posed there is the actual planet its self, not what lives on it.
They can swallow a longship in one go...
They are hunted by people who know how to hunt and kill them.
And by about a half dozen ships at once.
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"You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/31 17:31:41
Subject: Catachan or Fenris ?
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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purplefood wrote:Jackal wrote:Yes, the sea dragons are so fierce thier skin is used to cover longships lol.
These are creatures that are being killed by the most basic weapons possible.
Catachin has tech, and still struggles as the most danger posed there is the actual planet its self, not what lives on it.
They can swallow a longship in one go...
They are hunted by people who know how to hunt and kill them.
And by about a half dozen ships at once.
Yeah the space wolves love hunting them though.
Can't forget the disappearing wolves that can cloak. Somehow. And only one of them has ever been killed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/31 17:34:03
Subject: Re:Catachan or Fenris ?
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NagothDaCleaver wrote:Yeah, Cold does not a Deathworld make. There are plenty of Ice planets in the Galaxay. Besides if Environment alone was the basis of a Deathworld than Krieg would win hands down. On Krieg the environmental conditions forces the population to wear air filtration systems to avoid being killed by the toxic atmosphere.
Hell, if Environment were a deciding factor in naming a planet a Deathworld, than any planet with an uninhabitable atmosphere, or no atmosphere at all, would be a death world. So then Venus would be a crazier Deathworld than Catachan and Fenris combined. The galaxy would be mostly "Deathworlds" all of which putting Fenris and Catachan to shame.
So, no, environment and weather are only a small factor in a planet being declared a Deathworld. Flora, Fauna, Tectonic activity, Volcatinc Activity, Weather and other factors all play into it.
Not just... "Oh crap! It's Cold!"
Because the surface of the moon is more cold, and it's not a Deathmoon.
Krieg is a death world and a bad one at that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/31 17:35:07
Subject: Catachan or Fenris ?
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Asherian Command wrote:purplefood wrote:Jackal wrote:Yes, the sea dragons are so fierce thier skin is used to cover longships lol.
These are creatures that are being killed by the most basic weapons possible.
Catachin has tech, and still struggles as the most danger posed there is the actual planet its self, not what lives on it.
They can swallow a longship in one go...
They are hunted by people who know how to hunt and kill them.
And by about a half dozen ships at once.
Yeah the space wolves love hunting them though.
Can't forget the disappearing wolves that can cloak. Somehow. And only one of them has ever been killed.
The Doppergangrel isn't a Wolf...
It's some kind of weird lizardy thing...
Come to think of it it might be from a Tyranid vaguard organism like the Kraken supposedly is.
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"You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/31 17:36:55
Subject: Catachan or Fenris ?
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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purplefood wrote:Asherian Command wrote:purplefood wrote:Jackal wrote:Yes, the sea dragons are so fierce thier skin is used to cover longships lol.
These are creatures that are being killed by the most basic weapons possible.
Catachin has tech, and still struggles as the most danger posed there is the actual planet its self, not what lives on it.
They can swallow a longship in one go...
They are hunted by people who know how to hunt and kill them.
And by about a half dozen ships at once.
Yeah the space wolves love hunting them though.
Can't forget the disappearing wolves that can cloak. Somehow. And only one of them has ever been killed.
The Doppergangrel isn't a Wolf...
It's some kind of weird lizardy thing...
Come to think of it it might be from a Tyranid vaguard organism like the Kraken supposedly is.
What nah. I think its just some creature that the tyranids were scared as hell to face.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/31 17:37:11
Subject: Catachan or Fenris ?
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They can swallow a longship in one go... They are hunted by people who know how to hunt and kill them. And by about a half dozen ships at once. Never the less, they are still able to hunt them. The wolves are another example. So deadly they are used as mounts. Things like the megosaur are just left alone for a good reason. They piss one off and it rampages through a settlement destroying everything it can. No point in killing it since even with various weapons, it just annoys it even more. So using one as a tamed mount (not sure for how many people) wouldnt even be a possibility. Food chain wise they are top in catachin, however, im still going to guess a few have died to toad related injuries. What nah. I think its just some creature that the tyranids were scared as hell to face. Nids dont suffer from fear, or panic. They will fight anything, even if they know they cant win.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/31 17:40:10
Subject: Catachan or Fenris ?
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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Heres bit a few of the Fenris Creatures... * Drakes - mighty dragonlike creatures that circle above geothermal vents for warmth * Fenrisian Elk - razor sharp antlers * Fenrisian Mammoths - can crush a man in moments * Fenrisian Wolf - Stated as being among the most cunning and deadly predators in the galaxy. Capable of growing from the size of a small horse to that of an APC. Group hunting strategies. Leman Russ is said to have been raised by a she-wolf, and to have kept two hunting wolves, Freki and Geri. * Great White Bears - capable of destroying buildings * Kraken - gigantic sea creatures, possibly the remnants of a failed Tyranid invasion * Ripperfish - capable of reducing a man to bone in seconds.1 * Sea Dragon - massive creature that lives in the Worldsea. Its hide is used by nomads for ships and dwellings. * Fenrisian Ice Fiend - giant creatures twice the height of a space marine. they also bleed acidic blood. After reading this I learned that yes the kraken might be a tyranid >.> Compared To Catachan. Catachan flora * The Brainleaf, a vegetative carnivore, is a small tree, not particularly conspicuous on Catachan, but is able to attach its tendrils to the spine and brain of a person, taking control over their body. This creature may be an offshoot of the Tyranid Cortex Leech, a creature with similar abilities. * The Spiker, another deadly plant, fires its spikes into its victims' bodies, which then releases a mutative chemical which literally turns the person into another spiker. * The Venus Mantrap is a carnivorous plant common to jungle Deathworlds. It resembles the Terran Venus Flytrap by which it is named, but is far larger, and unlike the flytrap, it is able to move its leaves to attack and consume its prey. The Mantrap consists of a number of mobile leaves attached to a single immobile stem. Catachan fauna * Grox, although originally native to the Soloman system3, the animals are prized for their highly nutritious and tasty meat, and have been introduced to many worlds throughout the galaxy, so that the Grox is now the most ubiquitous livestock animal in the Imperium. The Grox however are extremely ornery and virtually impossible to keep under control without some form of brain-implants or lobotomy - in Catachan they have become wild, and are deadly predators. Grox are used by a galaxy-spanning food consortium to produce the famous 'Grox Burgers'. * The Shambling Mamorphs of the volcano lands are tough fighters and put up a good fight even against the Catachan Devil. * One of the famous deadly animals is the Catachan Devil, a voracious predator, looking somewhat like a many-limbed scorpion. They can be as long as a land train but are very bulky and slow moving meaning that escape is possible. * There are also many types of serpents on Catachan, including the Flying Swamp Mamba, the Coiling Death Cobra and the Catachan Black Viper, and are all deadly to most living beings. Some can kill in under 30 heartbeats. * Great Barking Toads, although appearing benign and harmless, are literally volatile creatures: the creature is easily startled, and anything it finds threatening is liable to cause it to explode in a cloud of toxins which kills anything within a very wide (one kilometer) area, including the Barking Toad itself. The toxin is virulent enough that even respirators and sealed suits such as power armour offer no protection. They are known as the most toxic creatures in the galaxy.5
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/31 17:50:48
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I'm willing to admit that Catachan beats Fenris in general lethality but i am pretty sure Fenris is an easy second place.
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Dakka Bingo! By Ouze
"You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/31 18:08:08
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purplefood wrote:I'm willing to admit that Catachan beats Fenris in general lethality but i am pretty sure Fenris is an easy second place.
I agree.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Krieg is a death world and a bad one at that.
Yes, I know, I now realize that I phrased what i was trying to say incorrectly. what I mean to say was:
Besides if Environment alone was the basis of one Deathworld being deadlier than another than Krieg would win hands down.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/31 21:03:20
Subject: Re:Catachan or Fenris ?
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Isn't Fenris a deathworld too? Or has this already been mentioned?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/31 21:24:59
Subject: Re:Catachan or Fenris ?
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For living on I'm saying Fenris as it's all territorial tribes on most of the planet who would barely ever accept outsiders and even then they would have to be in perfect physical condition just to be accepted and then the tribes have to move as a whole village at least annually due to the summers destroying all islands and creating new ones pretty much (excluding the space wolves mountains obviously), whereas on Catachan you probably wouldn't survive very long unless in peak physical condition again but at least the general public have contact with the imperium, let alone not even having electricity like the clans on Fenris.
For invading, definitely Fenris, the ice cap the space wolves are based on is surrounded by high cliffs and there are vast open wastelands full of wild, savage creatures and the rest of the planet is covered by the clans which could be exterminated in a straight up fight but in guerilla warfare on any death planet is going to work out well for the defenders. Then you'll probably still be trying to invade and just gained a foothold when summer comes around and your bases are destroyed completely as the land they were on dissapears and you have to build all new bases and camps and set up all new defences, thsi takes even more men away from the invasion. The only other way on is through the space wolves fortress, good luck with that one, or landing out in the wastes with no food sources or sense of direction and probably being continuously watched by space wolves who know their way around and coud ambush you at any point, while being hunted by the many wild creatures. I'm not saying it would be much easier to invade Catachan but there the defenders get the same problems as attackers with setting up bases, they have to be continuously defended and the plants burnt back every day, where as the space wolves know the massive barren wastes, always have patrols out and have a fortress so large that it extends out of the atmosphere of the planet.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/31 21:47:52
Subject: Re:Catachan or Fenris ?
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Homicidal Veteran Blood Angel Assault Marine
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I gotta go with Catachan. I don't think I've ever seen Fenris listed in any official literature as a death world at all, only as a feral world unless this happened with one of the last re-writes.
One on one both Fenrisians and Catachans are gonna be tough as nails, pushing human limits.
In a cage match with primitive weapons a Fenrisian might have the edge of experience with the fighting style (although I'd never underestimate a Catachan with a knife) Put them in the jungle though and a Catchan will F him up with boobytraps and such before he knows what hit him
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/31 23:24:53
Subject: Catachan or Fenris ?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Australia (Recently ravaged by the Hive Fleet Ginger Overlord)
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Fenris isn't even a close second when compared to Catachan. Imagine swapping the population of Fenris with that of Catchan. The people of Catachan would probably handle themselves pretty well once they got used to the cold, compared to home it'd be a holiday. As for the Fenrisians? They'd last 30 minutes at most.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/31 23:29:28
Subject: Catachan or Fenris ?
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Emperors Faithful wrote:Fenris isn't even a close second when compared to Catachan. Imagine swapping the population of Fenris with that of Catachan. The people of Catachan would probably handle themselves pretty well once they got used to the cold, compared to home it'd be a holiday. As for the Fenrisians? They'd last 30 minutes at most.
Yep Catachan is the worst. Spelling erroR!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/31 23:38:59
Subject: Catachan or Fenris ?
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I think an un-armed Catachan could kill an fully armed tribesman from Fenris on open ground, think about it :
1) A Catachan grows up on a world where everything tries to kill you and he has probably doddged enough Catachan devils and poisen plants to be able to dodge an axe.
2) That same Catachan would be faster than a Tribesman, the Catachan has probably had to run away in the middle of a forest where everything tries to kill him so loicaly he would be very agile and fast.
3) A Catachan has to get through the jungles so he would be pretty strong and have tuff vines that need to be broken.
4) Catachans can snap an Orks kneck in combat, Imagine what he would do to a tribesman.
5) the Catachan would be familiar with knife fighting and would knock the axe out of the Fenrisians hand (the Fenrisian would probably miss him and end up having to pull his axe back up) and I think a good roundhouse kick from a Catachan or a punch in the face from him would kill a tribesman or at least stun him whilst the Catachan breaks his kneck.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/01 00:21:08
Subject: Catachan or Fenris ?
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Emperors Faithful wrote:Fenris isn't even a close second when compared to Catachan. Imagine swapping the population of Fenris with that of Catchan. The people of Catachan would probably handle themselves pretty well once they got used to the cold, compared to home it'd be a holiday. As for the Fenrisians? They'd last 30 minutes at most.
Please.
It's not a little cold.
A little cold is manchester in the winter.
This is arctic or worse temperatures.
In summer the oceans boil and tsunamis are caused by earthquakes which also cause valcanic eruptions.
They might survive a bit longer but they have no idea how to deal with the cold.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/01 07:09:00
Subject: Re:Catachan or Fenris ?
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Homicidal Veteran Blood Angel Assault Marine
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your avatar is a space wolf emblem Purplefood. No one is going to convince you of this but Fenris is all bad to a Space Wolf player. If you don't have a Space Wolves codex it's only a foot note. EVERY ONE in 40k knows Catachan is the original definition of a Deathworld!
-full disclosure, I don't play Space Wolves or Catachans although a few Catachan models slip into my Tallarn regiment once in awhile
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