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Boom! Leman Russ Commander




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moonshine wrote:On Fenris you can at least build a settlemeny, it will falll into the ocean but you could build another. On Catachan it is hard to even build anything at all.

And where would you build another? on the land that's now sunken into the sea? or would you have to sail across a monster infested ocean in order to attack and take over another Island from a tribe that's going to fight you to the last man to defend there home. And I'm curious where the fluff says it's hard for Catachans to build settlements, especially since they have all this high tech gear.

That was sergent Harker who killed 6 catachan devils, he is an exceptional Catachan not the average sergent.

I'm aware of who it was since I had to read his page of the codex to find the number. But wether he is an exceptional Catachan or not he is a human being and if 1 human being can kill 6 Catachan Devils I highly doubt a Catachan Devil could kill a Fenrisian Wolf which bites the heads off of Fenrisian Mammoths (which is also larger then most tanks)

Catachan has lots of more deadly creatures, it has many types of serpants including the Flying Swamp Mamba, the Coiling Death Cobra and the Catachan Black Viper, and are all deadly to most living beings. Some can kill in under 30 heartbeats.

Under 30 heartbeats huh? wonder how many heartbeats it takes for a Fenrisian Sea Dragon to swallow you whole and move on to the next person on your ship.

What I am saying is life on fenris would be easier with thechnolidgy but on catachan it is NEEDED to survive

no it isn't. The Catachan only get that technology from the Imperium by raising regiments. So if the technology is NEEDED how come the people wern't wiped out prior to when the Imperium re-established contact with them and started giving them tech? oh yeah because it isn't NEEDED to survive and nothing says that it is, even the codex only says that the Catachans would have no way of getting it without the Imperium.

 
   
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Ok, some of this is taken from previous editions

If ice is sinking it re amerges a few months later, you can find new ice.

Harker is an exceptional individual, he runs around with a heavy bolte, even marines have to stay staitionary.

Even though somthing on fenris can eat you, if the insects can kill under 30 heartbeats imagine what the bigger creatures will be like. A catachan devil could use chop up a Fenrisian (wolf) before it got close enough to bite it's head off.

Catachans need technolidgy, not off the Imperium, but they will find it somewhere. Catachan was setteled before the Impirium was founded so they already had all this stuff earlier. If it was not for technolidgy the first settelers would not have survived at all.

Oh and another point, on Fenris you can fish and stuff but on Catachan EVERYTHING tries to kill you
   
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moonshine wrote:Ok, some of this is taken from previous editions

If ice is sinking it re amerges a few months later, you can find new ice.

Harker is an exceptional individual, he runs around with a heavy bolte, even marines have to stay staitionary.

Even though somthing on fenris can eat you, if the insects can kill under 30 heartbeats imagine what the bigger creatures will be like. A catachan devil could use chop up a Fenrisian (wolf) before it got close enough to bite it's head off.

Catachans need technolidgy, not off the Imperium, but they will find it somewhere. Catachan was setteled before the Impirium was founded so they already had all this stuff earlier. If it was not for technolidgy the first settelers would not have survived at all.

Oh and another point, on Fenris you can fish and stuff but on Catachan EVERYTHING tries to kill you

Dude this isn't ice... the islands are incredibly unstable and once they go the entire tribe has to move out or they die, one they find new land they have to fight for it.
The Sw don't give them technology because it makes them tougher.

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Fenris,for the Viking way of life.

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purplefood: Oh ok I did not know that I allways assumed it was Ice for some reason
   
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moonshine wrote:purplefood: Oh ok I did not know that I allways assumed it was Ice for some reason

Depends what the season is...
Each one lasts a very long time... like 30 years or something.
The 'Winter' freezes all the oceans
The 'Summer' boils the oceans, causes earthquakes and volcanos erupt.

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moonshine wrote:Ok, some of this is taken from previous editions

If ice is sinking it re amerges a few months later, you can find new ice.

Except Fenrisians don't build there settlements on ice.

Harker is an exceptional individual, he runs around with a heavy bolte, even marines have to stay staitionary.

1. In game rules have no effect on fluff
2. Still dosen't change that he's just a human being

Even though somthing on fenris can eat you, if the insects can kill under 30 heartbeats imagine what the bigger creatures will be like. A catachan devil could use chop up a Fenrisian (wolf) before it got close enough to bite it's head off.

Since when is a snake an insect? And "if" that happened then it would have to deal with the rest of the pack.

Catachans need technolidgy, not off the Imperium, but they will find it somewhere. Catachan was setteled before the Impirium was founded so they already had all this stuff earlier. If it was not for technolidgy the first settelers would not have survived at all.

Provide a source and quote. Especially since what you said contradicts a direct statement from the codex, emphasis by me.

Imperial Guard Coded page 15 2nd paragraph last sentence wrote:Catachan warriors readily accept the call to arms and, in exhcange recieve supplies from the Imperium that would otherwise be impossible to obtain


Oh and another point, on Fenris you can fish and stuff but on Catachan EVERYTHING tries to kill you

And what fish can't kill people? I've been a fan of the Space Wolves for 10+ years and have read just about every peice of fluff about them and their homeworld and not once have I ever read of any creature on Fenris that coulden't kill a human. Having every example of fauna be a predator does not mean the wildlife is more dangerous. And as a note, the difficulty of living on a planet isn't determined just by its flora and fauna.

And just curious why did you make a thread asking which is harder to live on when it's pretty obvious you've got your heart set on Catachan?

 
   
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Ok I started this thread to see who agrees and whilst reading the codex it said "Catachan is perhaps the most notorius and dangerous death world in the Imperium" and I instantly wondered how it would compare to other fenris, IIRC the space wolves codex says fenris is in the top three (or is it two) most dangerous worlds in the Imperium
   
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On Catachan, everything alive tries to kill you.

On Fenris, everything alive tries to kill you.

The chief difference is that on Fenris, taking a stroll without a shirt -will- kill you.

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Taking a stroll without a shirt will also kill you on Catachan
   
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Actually taking a stroll with a shirt would probably kill you to


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moonshine wrote:Taking a stroll without a shirt will also kill you on Catachan

But not even close to being for the same reason, Catachan dosen't get so cold that all of its oceans freeze.

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Most people couldn't last 5 seconds on Catachan. Fenris: most people could probably last 5 minutes.
Catachan has inumerable hellish, nightmare insects and diseases that will make you wish you're dead, which fortunately you soon will be.

 
   
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KamikazeCanuck wrote:Most people couldn't last 5 seconds on Catachan. Fenris: most people could probably last 5 minutes.
Catachan has inumerable hellish, nightmare insects and diseases that will make you wish you're dead, which fortunately you soon will be.

And this is based off of what? an off worlder trying to survive on the planet?

 
   
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I'm still not eintirely sure that I want a part in this war, however I'm going to go with Fenris simply because
I know more about it from the Space Wolves Codex.

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Codex Catachan Jungle Fighters makes it pretty clear how insane Catachan is. The Devil is the size of a train and is actually the least deadly thing on Catachan. The bugs are constantly trying to lie eggs in every orifice. Some of the plants are more deadly than anything on Fenris. They have DNA altering mutagenics and mind control abilties. Seriously not overexagerating when I say an offworlder usually only lives 5 minutes.

 
   
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Yeah but still, Catachan Jungle fighters are a nasty regiment to be sure, but it just seems that Fenrisans are recruited by one of the most famed Adeptus Astrates chapters for a reason, that they are some of the toughest examples of humanity in the Galaxy.

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some where in america

If for the population that live there i got to go with the fenrisians becuse of the few places to live and they are barbarians. with little to no tek

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Oriallis wrote:Yeah but still, Catachan Jungle fighters are a nasty regiment to be sure, but it just seems that Fenrisans are recruited by one of the most famed Adeptus Astrates chapters for a reason


That reason is because that chapter lives there.

 
   
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KamikazeCanuck wrote:Codex Catachan Jungle Fighters makes it pretty clear how insane Catachan is. The Devil is the size of a train and is actually the least deadly thing on Catachan. The bugs are constantly trying to lie eggs in every orifice. Some of the plants are more deadly than anything on Fenris. They have DNA altering mutagenics and mind control abilties. Seriously not overexagerating when I say an offworlder usually only lives 5 minutes.


Yes, you could probably survive longer on Fenris than you could if you were dropped onto Catachan, however I think that Fenris is the more dangerous deathworld. This is because you could burn Catachan down and you'd be fine, but Fenris itself will kill you no matter what you do, since you can't stop the planet from destroying itself in the season of fire.

   
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Henners91 wrote:Do any SM Chapters recruit from Catachan?


no just the gaurd

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Fenris may have unstable land but on Catachan everything will work against you on purpose

Also thunder wolves though dangerous can still be tamed; no body has ever tamed a Catachan devil and plus Catachan guardsmen are so tough that they are good at what Guardsmen suck at (ex: close combat) and they can even beat orks at close combat and thats the only thing Orks are skilled at
   
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Andilus Greatsword wrote:
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Codex Catachan Jungle Fighters makes it pretty clear how insane Catachan is. The Devil is the size of a train and is actually the least deadly thing on Catachan. The bugs are constantly trying to lie eggs in every orifice. Some of the plants are more deadly than anything on Fenris. They have DNA altering mutagenics and mind control abilties. Seriously not overexagerating when I say an offworlder usually only lives 5 minutes.


Yes, you could probably survive longer on Fenris than you could if you were dropped onto Catachan, however I think that Fenris is the more dangerous deathworld. This is because you could burn Catachan down and you'd be fine, but Fenris itself will kill you no matter what you do, since you can't stop the planet from destroying itself in the season of fire.


Catachan has no permanent settlements. They have a starport they can barely maintain. They do this by non-stop buring the Jungle down and even then they can only barely hold the line in an endless war against the green.
As for Space Marines no chapter would dare build anything on the planet because any "permanent" structures are actually consumed by the Jungle in a matter of days.

 
   
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Andilus Greatsword wrote:This is because you could burn Catachan down and you'd be fine, but Fenris itself will kill you no matter what you do, since you can't stop the planet from destroying itself in the season of fire.


Did it ever occure to you that Jungle fighters on Catachan use flamers all the time without setting Catachan on fire, the plants are hard, it never actually sas it but the leaves are probably flame proof aswell
   
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Troy wrote:Either are a piece of cake. Try surviving on Neptune, Mercury, or just the moon.

Those are terraformed lol.

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Catachan, there are far more ways to die on Catachan then there are on Fenris. Almost every single organism, from bacteria to Catachan Devil is deadly.

I think of Fenris in the same vein as Nocturne.
Nocturne is no joke as far as death worlds go, almost every living thing that's not a giant monster dies every 15 years on Nocturne.

And as much as I love Fenrisian wolves, they have nothing on the Fire-Drake Salamanders of Nocturne... because they are just gigantic fire breathing Dragons.


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Fenris has dragons, Kraken, trolls (which actually heal mid-battle) and they did have giants but i think they're all dead.

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I don't think the average Imperial is even aware of Fenris' classification as a death world. Most people think its just a cold place were the Space Wolves are from. Indeed its death world classification is almost just a technicality. It's only its terrible tectonic activity that makes it a death world.

Whereas, Catachan is THE DEATH WORLD. Galaxy renowned for being the most deadly place in the imperium where people actually live.

 
   
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I'll admit Catachan gets better publicity but i think Fenris would have a similar though less known reputation if the SW weren't there.

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NagothDaCleaver wrote:Catachan, there are far more ways to die on Catachan then there are on Fenris. Almost every single organism, from bacteria to Catachan Devil is deadly.

Name one thing from Fenris that isn't deadly.

I think of Fenris in the same vein as Nocturne.
Nocturne is no joke as far as death worlds go, almost every living thing that's not a giant monster dies every 15 years on Nocturne.

And as much as I love Fenrisian wolves, they have nothing on the Fire-Drake Salamanders of Nocturne... because they are just gigantic fire breathing Dragons.

I don't see where this comes into play on the discussion since Nocturne isn't Catachan?

 
   
 
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