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Just a few questions about them

Medusa if you take the bastion breacher shells does it replace the main shells or can I pick 1 or the other?

Does any 1 use the griffin?

What's the most popular 1 and how do you use it?

Taking Bastion Breachers allows the option of shooting them. You can still fire the normal shells.

I prefer the Basilisk out of the four. Good S, great AP and awesome range. Not too expensive either.

Although the Manticore is winning me over too.

Stormrider wrote:Taking Bastion Breachers allows the option of shooting them. You can still fire the normal shells.

It isn't every day you see someone get this wrong. The codex is quite clear that when you take the bastion breacher upgrade you must always use the bastion breacher profile.

replace.

no.

basilisks, manticores, and medusas.

Raxmei wrote:

Stormrider wrote:Taking Bastion Breachers allows the option of shooting them. You can still fire the normal shells.

It isn't every day you see someone get this wrong. The codex is quite clear that when you take the bastion breacher upgrade you must always use the bastion breacher profile.

Well the reason I asked is cuz it dosnt realy state you have to fire them only and it doesn't state you can fire both it's confusing

Raxmei wrote:

Stormrider wrote:Taking Bastion Breachers allows the option of shooting them. You can still fire the normal shells.

It isn't every day you see someone get this wrong. The codex is quite clear that when you take the bastion breacher upgrade you must always use the bastion breacher profile.

Oops, I rarely read that page. Explains that error.

Ii just read the entry and saw my mistake


How do peope use the manticore?

1.) deploy

2.) pick the best target

3.) shoot

4.) repeat steps 2 and 3

Ailaros wrote:1.) deploy

2.) pick the best target

3.) shoot

4.) repeat steps 2 and 3

QFT

Every shooting phase in every games is different. If you can figure out the best use of your manticore shot in all those situations you will the grand daddy master of 40k.

Generally, hide it, shoot it big nasty things.

Am not a Guard player but is it possible to take a griffon and say two basilisks in a squadron. Fire the Griffon first then ordnance barrage off the Griffon's template with the other two basilisks?

You can mix them up, but you can't barrage disimlar weapons like that. It's two different barrages IIRC.

The Manticore is an artillery officers dream . You can´t go wrong with S10 pie plates. Nobody likes
being on the receiving end of multiple S10 Ordnance hits.

Find a reasonably secure position for it ( out of LOS/Obscured ) and blast away. Be prepared for the inevitable
attempts to neutralize it ( shooting/DS/Outflank/whatever ) by providing bubblewrap and/or bodyguard units.
As long as it has rockets remaining, it will be a prime target.

ArtfcllyFlvrd wrote:You can mix them up, but you can't barrage disimlar weapons like that. It's two different barrages IIRC.

There is nothing in the rules to stop you shooting a multiple barrage with dissimilar weapons. However, it is usually not a good idea. In the example case the Griffon's maximum range only exceeds the Basilisk's minimum range by 12". The strength and Ap stats don't like each other much either. You'll come to resent having to shoot the Basilisks at the same target as the Griffon, especially when marine players start using wound allocation against you. It also doesn't actually buy you that much accuracy. A hit on the second shot still hits but now any scatter is automatically 5". I'd rather just shoot the Basilisks by themselves.

Raxmei wrote:

ArtfcllyFlvrd wrote:You can mix them up, but you can't barrage disimlar weapons like that. It's two different barrages IIRC.

There is nothing in the rules to stop you shooting a multiple barrage with dissimilar weapons. However, it is usually not a good idea. In the example case the Griffon's maximum range only exceeds the Basilisk's minimum range by 12". The strength and Ap stats don't like each other much either. You'll come to resent having to shoot the Basilisks at the same target as the Griffon, especially when marine players start using wound allocation against you. It also doesn't actually buy you that much accuracy. A hit on the second shot still hits but now any scatter is automatically 5". I'd rather just shoot the Basilisks by themselves.

I was mistaken but there are some caveats to it. According to the INAT, the griffon needs to be the closest model to the target for the initial blast to benefit from the rule, otherwise one of the secondary blasts benefits.

And yeah I do agree its really not that good of an idea. You're better off just buying more of whatever artillery you are trying to hit with.

The manticore has d3 pie plates right? X4 shots but can only fire 1 missile a turn?

Neroku wrote:The manticore has d3 pie plates right? X4 shots but can only fire 1 missile a turn?

Correct!

Also the blast is s10 ap1 right? What's its range I won't be able to check the codex I'm on vacation

It's AP 4 and 24"-120" range

Ap4 , and enough. 24-120", I believe.

What do people think of squadrons? Like, two bassies to make room for more artillery, and more precious heavy support slots. Not three, obviously, but especially with the likelihood of scatter, would two work?

General_Chaos wrote:Am not a Guard player but is it possible to take a griffon and say two basilisks in a squadron. Fire the Griffon first then ordnance barrage off the Griffon's template with the other two basilisks?

The Problem with this(even though it is possible) is that you only hve a 12" "sweet spot" to allow it, the Griffin can only fire out to 48" and the basilisk's min barrage range is 36"

Artfclly is correct about the Griffon needing to be the Closest model; but that is a direct rule from the BRB(Page 32, multiple barrages, second paragraph, very first sentence).

If I take 3 basilisks do they have to fire barrage or can they shoot with no minimum?
Regular ordinance

Neroku wrote:If I take 3 basilisks do they have to fire barrage or can they shoot with no minimum?

The Basilisk is one of two vehicles in the Imperial Guard codex that can freely choose to fire directly (in which case the minimum range does not apply, nor do any of the other rules of barrage weapons) or as a barrage. The other one is the Manticore.

Right I know that but in a squadron does that affect my direct fire capabilities?

Neroku wrote:Right I know that but in a squadron does that affect my direct fire capabilities?

No. Why would it?

I thought there was a rule in the BrB that said something about ordinace barrage in squadrons I'll check when I get home

if the weapon has a minimum range, you can choose to fire it directly up to that minimum range unless the profile says differently. i.e. basilisk - shooting at things <36" can fire directly if it has LoS. if its outside that minimum range you have to fire indirectly, even if you have LoS. I'm not entirely sure, but I also think that you can't fire indirectly inside the minimum range.

Also, if you fire a battery of ordnance barrage weapons directly at a target, then its not an ordnance barrage (no pin test, cover is taken from where the shot came from not center of blast).

papathrax wrote:if the weapon has a minimum range, you can choose to fire it directly up to that minimum range unless the profile says differently. i.e. basilisk - shooting at things <36" can fire directly if it has LoS. if its outside that minimum range you have to fire indirectly, even if you have LoS. I'm not entirely sure, but I also think that you can't fire indirectly inside the minimum range.

A weapon with the option to fire directly (which is all ordnance barrage weapons barring special rules to the contrary) can fire directly all the way out to the maximum range. You are not required to fire as a barrage at targets beyond the minimum range. The only thing the minimum range does is prohibit firing barrages below that range.

Here's a question I've never thought about: for whatever reason, could you fire one of the Basilisks directly, but the other indirectly? I don't think there is anything that prohibits it, just a thought that popped into my brain.

Well I don't think you can target different units sO there's no point to doing that lol

Yeh you have to all fire at the same unit. But usually after you do the unit won't be there anymore.