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had a battle with someone who had all of his army in deepstrike (grey knights) and they completely destroyed me (tau) and didn't know what to do and i didn't get one kill got laods of wounds though

Welcome to Dakka. This is the wrong place for this; it should go here http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/forums/show/18.page Ask one of the MOD's to move it.

I'll move this there now.

..You'll get much more helpful advice and responses if take the time to explain a bit more clearly what your issue is and what help you're seeking.

Capitalization and punctuation are your friends. A lot of people will ignore your posts if they don't get the impression you're taking time and thinking about what you're writing. Just something to keep in mind in the future

Anyway, Welcome to Dakka!

so sounds like a paladin deep striking army.

I am sorry to say, there is nothing you can do but shoot and hope you kill enough, and spread out your forces and use cover well.

Paladins aren't actually all that durable against AP1/2 shooting, and Tau can take plenty of it.

Against deep strikers, you need 'bubblewrap' - cheap units like Kroot, vehicular Drones etc. spread out, which prevent your opponent landing next to your most valuable units.

Backfire wrote:Paladins aren't actually all that durable against AP1/2 shooting, and Tau can take plenty of it.

Against deep strikers, you need 'bubblewrap' - cheap units like Kroot, vehicular Drones etc. spread out, which prevent your opponent landing next to your most valuable units.

Also, you can place your wrapped bubble in one of the corners of the playing field, because it increases the chances for them to scatter off the battlefield when deepstriking, resulting in a mishap. If they don't want this to happen they will have not too much space where they can strike with sense (if your bubble is set up right). And of course you will place your units in a way that you are prepared for that most likely placement of their deepstrikes. I have seen people use this with success against Chaos Daemons, and also managed to defend myself in such a way as Eldar.

it was 1750pts of grey knights all in deepstrike he had two dreadknights which deepstriked in front of my hammerheads

Still kinda vague.

what is your list, whats his list?

we need to know what you have to work with.

Did anyone else chuckle at the title and the OP?


I found it hilarious myself

When I read the title, I thought: "Poor kid, I know that playing 40k can get you labeled as a nerd, but I'm sorry that someone got attacked for playing with toy soldiers."

I entered the thread and was half way to composing a post recommending self defense classes...

Actually, deploy everything in a solid block in the corner, makes him deep strike so far away just incase he misplaces etc

And then just shoot to kill

Bubblewrap like others have said.

Tau have a tough time against all DS lists. We need as many turns of unmolested shooting as possible.

With lists like that, it all becomes about target priority. Obviously there isn't going to be much on the board at one time. When something puts down close, you need to prioritize it instantly. Do you tarpit it? Ignore it? Kill it as quickly as possible? Or shoot at it a little hoping to do some damage but maybe not kill it? These are questions you need to ask about every unit, every turn.

I do not know that much about Tau. Is there a way to mess with his reserves, as the officer of the fleet can?

Also, they cannot assault in the same turn in which they DS. So, you will always have one turn of shooting before you get hit. That is preferable to SRGs which are assault vehicles.

Further, you can deploy in such a way that his DS has maximal risk to scatter off the map or onto you. I always think about where I would drop if I were the DSer, which helps the counter measures.

Would it make sense to use kroot as a cheap way to "mine" a lot of ground against DS? To be safe, he needs to drop further way, which means more time for the gunline to toast him.

Completely agree with target prioritization. GK is nasty all over, but some things are nastier than others. Also, scatter can make certain choices obvious in terms of priority.

Less emorkticons and more content please.

L. Wrex

well i remember seeing that battle at the tourney

don't worry Rachit many people hate GK (like me)

like i have said to you 3 man squads of broadsides will be better than 2 hammer heads and that is a defo anti-tank (or GK since there as hard as tanks) tactic so save up and buy your noble prize winners

Also Rachet pay attention to the people who are posting as even i found good tactics for myself in this thread

Buble wrap Kroot. On your crisis suits (wich the majority of your army should be made of) should use the Helios config (FB/PR/MT) and, if he likes stormshields, Bladestorm (BC/PR/MT). Dont bring Hammer heads scince they realy cant do anything if his army is made from TEQ and MCs with invul saves. Dont use fireknife people whill, i am sure of this, tell you to use FireKnife, but, scince he will be deapstriking his army right infront of you their superior range will do nothing.

Once you're old enough to vote, come back and post coherently please.

terranarc wrote:Once you're old enough to vote, come back and post coherently please.

What a hater


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I am personally old enough to vote, but have no problem with young gamers and if you don't want to help why would you just troll thats imature.

terranarc wrote:Once you're old enough to vote, come back and post coherently please.

You wouldn't like it if I rick trolled you would you?

agree with rovian! Here is space for everyone as there should be, if there are problems with posting-quality/style, we help each other out! Especially new members, seriously, the OP has only 4 posts, so lets give him a nice welcome (like was done earlier on in the thread too)

While terranarc could have been more polite, piling on with off topic posts is also spammy. I have to agree, however, that the lack of punctuation, capitalization and basic grammar in the OP are going to draw criticism. If you want to be taken seriously, post in a manner that is worth responding to.

Anyway, if it were me I'd castle up and even keep a couple of units in reserve myself and bring them in with that 2+ deal when they were needed. You should be able to put good number of shots on the units that come in, and if they're shooting after they deep strike it would mean that they're in perfect position to get hit with a submunition round.

As was mentioned before, though, some more specifics would help people give you better advice. And again, there are people in this thread not limited to the OP that could stand to clean up their posts a bit.

Also, you can place your wrapped bubble in one of the corners of the playing field,

You need to be careful that the Grey Knights don't choose the Grand Strategy option of Outflanking rather than deep-striking (which is actually a relatively poor option for them in most instances if they're running terminator or paladin lists). If they do Outflank, they can move on close to you, fire and assault. This royally buggers a castling strategy by the likes of Tau and Imperial Weaklings unless you can deploy in such a way that they cannot enter to your rear-flank at all, which is unlikely given cover.

Let's all post according to forum rules.

That includes proper grammar.

Bad grammar makes your posts likely to be ignored.

Lets leave the Orkmotion/badgrammar decision and focus on tactics. Thankyou!

Well I keep telling him to get 2 squads of (3) broadsides.

Is that better than 2 hammerheads?

He mostly plays against mech army's.

I am of the opinion that at least 1 Hammerhead is a good choice to bring and then 2 squads of broadsides.

the Broadsides provide anti-tank while the Hammerhead has both anti-tank and large pie for horde armies.

the Hammerhead also has the ability to redeploy quickly. Broadsides are fairly stationary.

Grey Templars point is a good one.

Broadsides should always be taken in an army list, especially with people going to with armored lists!

Grey Templar wrote:I am of the opinion that at least 1 Hammerhead is a good choice to bring and then 2 squads of broadsides.

the Broadsides provide anti-tank while the Hammerhead has both anti-tank and large pie for horde armies.

the Hammerhead also has the ability to redeploy quickly. Broadsides are fairly stationary.

MrTau wrote:Grey Templars point is a good one.

Agreed on both counts. If you did that, then youd have pretty flexible heavy support platform for popping all kinds of vehicles and the hammerhead can be anti troop as mentioned. Another PRO to that build, is it gives the opponents a tough decision to make. I know if I were playing my horde against all that, Id have to take 3 deffkoptas just to tie those up, and the problem with that is I dont normally take 3 koptas. So if you showed up with that, I wouldnt have a counter against it, at least not without taking all the hits and trying to muscle through it.