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Which do you think is stronger, the hold ethereals hae on Tau or the Chaotic powers?

Etherea'ls powers seem more of the suggestive kind, while chaos can drive you completely insane.

I don't think this would be a contest. It's not that tau can't fall to chaos (some people think they cant). Just that ethereals hold that much more sway.

Depends on the person/species being lured.

I don't think they're really going to be directed the full brunt of Chaos. The IoM is an easier target and is less localised than the Tau allowing easier and less dectetable ways of breaching the Material realm.

That and there aren't many Tau Psykers now are there

Are we talking about Tau? Cause chaos doesn't effect them really human's on the otherhand can easily be made chaos' bitch.

Just wait until the new Codex. TAU PSYKERS/ANTIPSYKERS EVERYWHERE.

KilroyKiljoy wrote:Just wait until the new Codex. TAU PSYKERS/ANTIPSYKERS EVERYWHERE.

Hopefully they won't rape the fluff that much...

yamgrenade wrote:

KilroyKiljoy wrote:Just wait until the new Codex. TAU PSYKERS/ANTIPSYKERS EVERYWHERE.

Hopefully they won't rape the fluff that much...

They will do worse. You know it's true.

im2randomghgh wrote:

yamgrenade wrote:

KilroyKiljoy wrote:Just wait until the new Codex. TAU PSYKERS/ANTIPSYKERS EVERYWHERE.

Hopefully they won't rape the fluff that much...

They will do worse. You know it's true.

Sadly.....I do

yamgrenade wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

yamgrenade wrote:

KilroyKiljoy wrote:Just wait until the new Codex. TAU PSYKERS/ANTIPSYKERS EVERYWHERE.

Hopefully they won't rape the fluff that much...

They will do worse. You know it's true.

Sadly.....I do

The fluff will be good if it's written by Ward, which it probably will...

Anyway, the Ethereals aren't as powerful as a Chaos god...It's just that chaos doesn't want Tau...except Khorne...he loves the Tau, theirs just SO good in close combat

Tau were never modified or engineered to my knowledge, so their connection to the warp isnt as strong or natural the way it is in humans, Orks or Eldar. That gives them significant protection from their souls being taken and used as "gateways" via daemonic possession.

They can, however, still be corrupted, mutated, etc. by proximity to the warping power sof Chaos, or corrupted by physical contact or other means (if even inert matter can be, I'd be safe to say the tau can.) Likely the Tau's fervent belief in the Greater Good and Ethereals (who are baiscally godlike figures to them for all intents and purposes) provides whatever shielding they may still need (although again they're as vulnerable to physical corruption as anyone/anything else is.) Belief is what matters most - whether it is in a religious figure or a principle makes no difference methinks. It's at least consistnet with the depiction in the Fire Warrior novel (which is probably my favorite Tau-oriented novel.)

Fire Warrior spoiler:

Chaos.
Because Grater Good is an idea and Chaos is a real deal.

bombboy1252 wrote:Anyway, the Ethereals aren't as powerful as a Chaos god...It's just that chaos doesn't want Tau...except Khorne...he loves the Tau, theirs just SO good in close combat

I lol'ed. But what about the Kroot?

bombboy1252 wrote:
Anyway, the Ethereals aren't as powerful as a Chaos god...It's just that chaos doesn't want Tau...except Khorne...he loves the Tau, theirs just SO good in close combat

I know your joking, but Khorne dose love tau. A single battlesuit can level the kind of destruction normally reserved for tanks. Not to mention how they can make the same tanks bleed. Khorne loves that. Actually the only chaos corruption tau have suffered so far is khorne's blood lust.

slice of toast wrote:

bombboy1252 wrote:Anyway, the Ethereals aren't as powerful as a Chaos god...It's just that chaos doesn't want Tau...except Khorne...he loves the Tau, theirs just SO good in close combat

I lol'ed. But what about the Kroot?

Kroot have often been used by chaos, mostly because of their mercenary nature.

The question is a bit vague do you mean which is more powerful to Tau or which is more powerful in general.

If it to Tau the the answer is pretty obvious seeing as most of the species follow the greater good and only one Tau has eve been shown to have fallen to chaos (and only briefly).

Firewarrior is Canon?

Tau were never modified or engineered to my knowledge

Tau where engineered by the Eldar and the Ethereals are modified by the Eldar into a leader caste.

Water Caste atempts to lure allies or convince enemies to give up. (Slaanesh)
Air Caste is slowly mutating from the lack of gravity in their lives. (Tzeentch)
Fire Caste makes war. (Khorne)
Earth Caste is slowly helping the Tau expand and absorb throughout their area of the galaxy. (Nurgle)
Ethereal Caste united the other castes. (Undivided)

The Tau are like a "sane" version of Chaos. They evolved rapidly and changed into 4 species. (powers Tzeentch)
They expand from their homeworld by convincing the other races they meet to join, all the while keeping secrets. (powers Slaanesh)
They spread slowly and bring about the downfall of societies by either absorbing them or detroying them. (powers Nurgle)
They make war upon the Orks and Imperium and suffer from a condition where they may go into a rage. (duh Khorne)

I'd guess that since the Ethereals use pheramones they most closely resemble Slaanesh followers.
This would make sence as they are a pet prodject of the Eldar and Slaanesh is all about bringing an end to the Eldar.

DeffDred wrote:

Tau were never modified or engineered to my knowledge

Tau where engineered by the Eldar and the Ethereals are modified by the Eldar into a leader caste.

Water Caste atempts to lure allies or convince enemies to give up. (Slaanesh)
Air Caste is slowly mutating from the lack of gravity in their lives. (Tzeentch)
Fire Caste makes war. (Khorne)
Earth Caste is slowly helping the Tau expand and absorb throughout their area of the galaxy. (Nurgle)
Ethereal Caste united the other castes. (Undivided)

The Tau are like a "sane" version of Chaos. They evolved rapidly and changed into 4 species. (powers Tzeentch)
They expand from their homeworld by convincing the other races they meet to join, all the while keeping secrets. (powers Slaanesh)
They spread slowly and bring about the downfall of societies by either absorbing them or detroying them. (powers Nurgle)
They make war upon the Orks and Imperium and suffer from a condition where they may go into a rage. (duh Khorne)

I'd guess that since the Ethereals use pheramones they most closely resemble Slaanesh followers.
This would make sence as they are a pet prodject of the Eldar and Slaanesh is all about bringing an end to the Eldar.

I have no idea what you're talking about. Eldar had no part in the creation of Tau.

Aren't Etherals psychic to some degree?

Specific to Tau, the Greater Good is probably more powerful when they're in a group. Alone on a Chaos planet, they could fall.

To all other races, Chaos.

Durza wrote:Aren't Etherals psychic to some degree?

Specific to Tau, the Greater Good is probably more powerful when they're in a group. Alone on a Chaos planet, they could fall.

To all other races, Chaos.

Nope. Ethereals use pheromones, not mind powers.

Those are 2 completely different things.

I have no idea what you're talking about. Eldar had no part in the creation of Tau.

Since we refering to Firewarrior as canon I thought Xeneology would also count.

The Tau were created by the Eldar and then protected with a warp storm. The plan didn't go quite right as the Tau were warring with themselves.

The Eldar ask the Quarel (spelled right?) Queen if they could have an unborn queen. The Quarel said "Hell's nah" and the Eldar went to war with them.

The Eldar then stole a baby queen (BTW These aliens are completely dominated by pharamones), used the small crystal pheramone structure found inside and implaned it into a new Tau mutations head.

Thus the Ethereals were born. Then one stormy night the Eldar drop the Ethereals off on T'au and the rest is history.

Never heard that before...

Durza wrote:Never heard that before...

Because it's by no means confirmed.

It's always been hinted that the Old Ones created the Tau and protected them with the Warp Storm. It explains the 'affection' that the Eldar feel towards the Tau, in that they're the progeny of a dead race.

Why has no one read Xeneology?

It's like the conerstone of the 40k universe for the 3rd and 4th (maybe 5th) editions.

It lays out the main races aswell as others you haven't heard of. It's the book that clearly describes how the Kroot have a second brain in their stomach.
It shows how thick an Ork skull is, genestealers have a million tyranids living in their throats, all tyranids have a baby ripper inside, Necrons could talk and have emotions before this new codex next month,
Eldar poop crystals, all kinds of fun facts.

The two major points the book brings up are: Tau are a pet prodject of the Eldar to try to continue the Ancient Ones plans, and the tablet that shows the Ancient Ones creating the other races and fighting the C'Tan... all the while giving power (or something) to a human fetus in a star (Star Child? Emperor?).




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Because it's by no means confirmed.

It's always been hinted that the Old Ones created the Tau and protected them with the Warp Storm. It explains the 'affection' that the Eldar feel towards the Tau, in that they're the progeny of a dead race.

The Tau are 2000 years old. The Ancient Ones had long since been destroyed (or sent into hidding).
I'm not jumping to conclusions. I'm making the only logical ones. Just read the book.

DeffDred wrote:Why has no one read Xeneology?

It's like the conerstone of the 40k universe for the 3rd and 4th (maybe 5th) editions.

It lays out the main races aswell as others you haven't heard of. It's the book that clearly describes how the Kroot have a second brain in their stomach.
It shows how thick an Ork skull is, genestealers have a million tyranids living in their throats, all tyranids have a baby ripper inside, Necrons could talk and have emotions before this new codex next month,
Eldar poop crystals, all kinds of fun facts.

The two major points the book brings up are: Tau are a pet prodject of the Eldar to try to continue the Ancient Ones plans, and the tablet that shows the Ancient Ones creating the other races and fighting the C'Tan... all the while giving power (or something) to a human fetus in a star (Star Child? Emperor?).




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Because it's by no means confirmed.

It's always been hinted that the Old Ones created the Tau and protected them with the Warp Storm. It explains the 'affection' that the Eldar feel towards the Tau, in that they're the progeny of a dead race.

The Tau are 2000 years old. The Ancient Ones had long since been destroyed (or sent into hidding).
I'm not jumping to conclusions. I'm making the only logical ones. Just read the book.

Tau CODEX Page 4

...The Tau are a young race, barely 6000 years old...
The fact that they got something that simple wrong kinda hints that they're making stuff up.

Well I guess the Chaos gods are better at converting subjects forcibly but if you think what both sides offer...
I would say that units are more likely going to defect to the Tau side if it depends of their own will.

DeffDred wrote:Why has no one read Xeneology?

Probably because its nigh impossible to find that bloody book lol.