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CpatTom wrote:
My point still stands. The basis that Time and Exposure to Chaos (of which I assume the Grey Knights have had plenty), will eventually lead to corruption is false. Anything that has never happened over the course of thousands of years is not really a "likely" outcome.

Fine. Allow me to rephrase my argument; given time and exposure and no physical or spirtual protection, the chances are some Tau will succomb to Chaos.

Besides, we know that the Grey Knights are a thousand Astartes among a million Astartes. They only take the best. The Tau? They have to take the entire species, the weak and the strong. The Grey Knights don't have anyone who is weak.

The argument the Tau are not protected the same way and are thus more likely to succumb to Chaos is true, but The Emperor is more likely to succumb to Chaos than the Grey Knights.

Not really. Chaos has little to tempt the Emperor with, same as the Grey Knights, and the Emperor can protect Himself in some of the same ways (i.e. Psychically).

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:Fine. Allow me to rephrase my argument; given time and exposure and no physical or spirtual protection, the chances are some Tau will succomb to Chaos.

Besides, we know that the Grey Knights are a thousand Astartes among a million Astartes. They only take the best. The Tau? They have to take the entire species, the weak and the strong. The Grey Knights don't have anyone who is weak.

Agreed.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:Not really. Chaos has little to tempt the Emperor with, same as the Grey Knights, and the Emperor can protect Himself in some of the same ways (i.e. Psychically).

(For arguments sake ) The Emperor has much to be tempted with. The Salvation of man? The goal he has worked an incalculable number of life times in hopes to accomplish, and which is now on the brink of failure? That seems like a pretty big thing to tempt the Emperor with.

The Grey Knights are protected by their faith in the Emperor.

When the God of Man is held on the precipice of his own death, who shall the Immortal Emperor place his faith in?

CpatTom wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:No he isn't. The Emperor was called the Anathema for a reason.

The Emperor created the Primarchs in his image. The Primarchs fell.

No Grey Knight has ever fallen to Chaos.

The Emperor is more likely to fall to Chaos.

Haha

The Emperor had an intuitive understanding of the Warp, which he denied to his sons. He also knew exactly what the Chaos gods were, since he apparently witnessed the births of all of them. His sons were designed to display specific facets of him anyway, not the whole picture, which made it far easier for them to be corrupted, since they had a singular aim, whether it be the ambition of Horus or the quest for perfection of Fulgrim.

CpatTom wrote:
(For arguments sake ) The Emperor has much to be tempted with. The Salvation of man? The goal he has worked an incalculable number of life times in hopes to accomplish, and which is now on the brink of failure? That seems like a pretty big thing to tempt the Emperor with.

The Grey Knights are protected by their faith in the Emperor.

When the God of Man is held on the precipice of his own death, who shall the Immortal Emperor place his faith in?

The Emperor knows that it is a lie, though. It's hard to tempt someone who knows that you're just trying to screw them over. The temptation is theoretically there, but I doubt the Emperor really feels it.

Who knows? Himself? The fact that He is the only real hope for mankind at this point? Humanity itself? The fact that He knows that the Chaos Gods are His enemy?

The Greater Good is a philosophy, except for the Tau themselves as its been suggested that Ethereals have a kind of innate pheromone control over the Tau species. Outsider of that, races need to be convinced logically. Thus while the Tau themselves are fanatical about it, other races like the Kroot don't seem to be nearly as devoted (i.e. many Kroot are mercenaries and human defectors aren't screaming FOR THE GREATER GOOD).

Chaos you essentially give your soul to and there's really no going back once you're hooked in. Chaos is extremely easy to fall into and is a much faster process then the Greater Good (again, except for the Tau themselves). Traitor Guardsmen of Chaos come off as much more fanatical then Gues'va fighting for the Tau.

It also depends just on what you're imagining Chaos to do. since the Tau have no psykers or substantial connection ot the warp that we are aware of, it is nigh-impossible that they will be used as "gateways" - eg possessed in the way Psykers can be possessed. They probably are more immune to the subtle corrupting whispers of the warp (voices, etc.) compared to, say, Humans.

but that doesn't translate into 100% immunity. If they get caught in a warp storm or a warp rift, if they handle Chaos artifacts, etc. they likley can be tainted and corrupted in a phyiscal sense - any realspace matter is vulnerable to that sort of warp influence, even inert matter and it is unlikely that the Tau would be immune to that (resistant, maybe.) Likewise, we know psychic powers can affect them directly (eg no immunity there) so they can be psychically controlled/clouded/influenced that way as well. And if a tau were so inclined they probably could sign themselves over for power or such (EG sorcery, although tau society is unlikely to produce anyone who would willingly pursue that.)

so in short they're protected in some ways, but they're more vulnerable in others, especially since they don't seem to really believe in the existence of Chaos or Chaos Gods.

Yea IA states the IoM has already tested and falsified the claimes that Tau are controlled by pheramones ir psykers. The Tau are just sad, lonely, sane, blue people in a universe of crazy races bent on murder.

Ethereal control is alot like Ork reproduction.. the fluff (which is to say, those who write the fluff) tend to make up their own minds as to its truth or falsehood. There are still bits of fluff that insist the Orks really don't reproduce via spores despite the fact a good many sources have by now stated they do.

And that could be the most annoying part of it all.

One of the more bizarre ideas is that they aren't controlled per se by pheremones, but perhaps by some technology that emulates pheremones - some sort of microscopic machinery, or perhaps some sort of peculiar aura or emanation. Just because it isn't warp based does not mean the ethereal doesn't emit something tangible that can cause effects (Necrons have all sorts of weird non-warp field effects that can affect things in different ways. Including the guass and disruption fields.) '

Or it could be something realyl wacky, like microscopic mind control machines that infest and affec tthe tau directly.

All we really know is that Tau can get extremely disciplined and focused when an Ethereal gets involved, that they regard Ethereals with a near-religious sort of awe and obedience (total obedience), and they will go to any lengths to protect or save an Ethereal (absurd degrees.) In some ways this makes me think the Tau are more like the Jem'Hadar from Star Trek. The perverse part of me then considers Ethereals to just be tha tau equivalent of crack.

As a Tau player I have always felt genuenly offended by caims the Tau are controled in any way. I believe they are simply like humans, and just revear their leaders, like the native americans reveared their kings.

I don't know why players of other races rage that the tau aren't grim and dark enough.

OzTeG8ndPwRfl wrote:As a Tau player I have always felt genuenly offended by caims the Tau are controled in any way. I believe they are simply like humans, and just revear their leaders, like the native americans reveared their kings.

I don't know why players of other races rage that the tau aren't grim and dark enough.

Tau are very Grimdark, they just like to hide under a Noblebright shell.

Again I would have to dissagree they are any amount of evil. I mean nature is gim and dark, but it's not evil.

Connor MacLeod wrote:Tau were never modified or engineered to my knowledge, so their connection to the warp isnt as strong or natural the way it is in humans, Orks or Eldar. That gives them significant protection from their souls being taken and used as "gateways" via daemonic possession.

They can, however, still be corrupted, mutated, etc. by proximity to the warping power sof Chaos, or corrupted by physical contact or other means (if even inert matter can be, I'd be safe to say the tau can.) Likely the Tau's fervent belief in the Greater Good and Ethereals (who are baiscally godlike figures to them for all intents and purposes) provides whatever shielding they may still need (although again they're as vulnerable to physical corruption as anyone/anything else is.) Belief is what matters most - whether it is in a religious figure or a principle makes no difference methinks. It's at least consistnet with the depiction in the Fire Warrior novel (which is probably my favorite Tau-oriented novel.)

If the warp is the ocean, with sentient beings being the surface level, the tau race are a puddle of urine on the other side of the world






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Coolyo294 wrote:

OzTeG8ndPwRfl wrote:As a Tau player I have always felt genuenly offended by caims the Tau are controled in any way. I believe they are simply like humans, and just revear their leaders, like the native americans reveared their kings.

I don't know why players of other races rage that the tau aren't grim and dark enough.

Tau are very Grimdark, they just like to hide under a Noblebright shell.

LIKE A COSMIC TURTLE

Chaos turned half the Space Marine Legions against the Emperor and they hold a lot of demon worlds. Chaos wins. Tau meanwhile is evil like Joseph Stalin evil and not so aluring.

CpatTom wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:No he isn't. The Emperor was called the Anathema for a reason.

The Emperor created the Primarchs in his image. The Primarchs fell.

No Grey Knight has ever fallen to Chaos.

The Emperor is more likely to fall to Chaos.

Haha

He also created the Grey Knights in his image, their geneseed was derived from the Emperor, they were gifted all of His knowledge on the warp.
I have a feeling you're thinking of the Emperor as just another human but with some nifty psyker powers. The fact that he was contacted by the Gods speaks for itself. Whatever they offered was refused.

iproxtaco wrote:
He also created the Grey Knights in his image, their geneseed was derived from the Emperor, they were gifted all of His knowledge on the warp.
I have a feeling you're thinking of the Emperor as just another human but with some nifty psyker powers. The fact that he was contacted by the Gods speaks for itself. Whatever they offered was refused.

His geneseed is conjecture (albeit very likely, but not a definitive yes, gifted his flesh or some nonsense, gotcha, that line in the GK dex is open to interpretation: if there is more evidence to this please bring it to my attention so I might revise my argument)

That is exactly what the Emperor is, despite what Lorgar and his band of religious idiots wanted to think and what the HLoT might want the regular man to believe, The Emperor was a Man (again, the greatest powers ever condensed into a single material existence, but still man)

Was whatever was offered refused, or like the previous two points is an outcome being assumed here? I believe it is a HH BL thing somewhere about The Dr. Dahli-Franken-Emperor in his Everest lab doing some Juu Juu, but I have no knowledge on this point.

CpatTom wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:
He also created the Grey Knights in his image, their geneseed was derived from the Emperor, they were gifted all of His knowledge on the warp.
I have a feeling you're thinking of the Emperor as just another human but with some nifty psyker powers. The fact that he was contacted by the Gods speaks for itself. Whatever they offered was refused.

His geneseed is conjecture (albeit very likely, but not a definitive yes, gifted his flesh or some nonsense, gotcha, that line in the GK dex is open to interpretation: if there is more evidence to this please bring it to my attention so I might revise my argument).

"Where the other Chapters were built upon existing stock, the Grey Knights were born of a new gene-seed, one without the flaws of those that came before, and which carried the gift of the Emperor's own flesh and soul." - Page 7.
Frankly, it's conjecture to suggest anything else. Their gene-seed was derived from the Emperor.

That is exactly what the Emperor is, despite what Lorgar and his band of religious idiots wanted to think and what the HLoT might want the regular man to believe, The Emperor was a Man (again, the greatest powers ever condensed into a single material existence, but still man)

We know otherwise. He was an amalgamation of Terran Shamans, he speaks to the Inquisitor Draco in a multitude of voices, each saying different things and conversing with each other. The Emperor is more than just a really powerful human Psyker.

Was whatever was offered refused, or like the previous two points is an outcome being assumed here? I believe it is a HH BL thing somewhere about The Dr. Dahli-Franken-Emperor in his Everest lab doing some Juu Juu, but I have no knowledge on this point.

Woot? The Chaos Gods gave him the means to create the Primarchs on the basis that he enlighten humanity to the worship of Chaos. The Emperor took what they offered, and then refused to fulfill his side of the bargain. And he's called the Anathema by Chaos. He's also been exposed to the Warp and Chaos more than anyone.

At this point I think it is almost gurnateed that the emporer will fall to chaos.

The emporer is not familiar with being truely mortal and as the golden throne continues to fail you know nurgle will make him the offer of continued life as long as he serves nurgle.

Fluff wise it would be amazing what would happen to the universe if the emporer accepted. Might be powerful enough to actually over throw nurgle and such things like that.

Erm, no, he wont accept. The Emperor hasn't spent the last 10,000 years protecting humanity from Chaos to then damn the entire race in a second. Of course, this is all under the assumption that Nurgle with offer the Emperor anything. Nurgle will not. They called Him the Anathema, he is literally the opposite of Chaos, they despise the Emperor, and vice versa.

iproxtaco wrote:
"Where the other Chapters were built upon existing stock, the Grey Knights were born of a new gene-seed, one without the flaws of those that came before, and which carried the gift of the Emperor's own flesh and soul." - Page 7.
Frankly, it's conjecture to suggest anything else. Their gene-seed was derived from the Emperor.

The gift of the Emperor could be a resistance to Chaos, or improved psyker abilities, or yadayada.... It's a possible interpretation, and it can be interpreted as meaning The Emperor, (althoug not an Adeptus Astartes (thus lacking the proper organs) Used his gene seed (the one he created with his mind (which again, is possible)) To create the GK. Conjecture. That is all. Not: "one without the flaws of those that came before, and which" was the Emperors own gene seed created for the GK.

Not to mention you took the quote out of context, which IIRC is referencing the other chapters of the time having used Tithed Gene Seed, not new special issue GK gene seed.

We know otherwise. He was an amalgamation of Terran Shamans, he speaks to the Inquisitor Draco in a multitude of voices, each saying different things and conversing with each other. The Emperor is more than just a really powerful human Psyker.

Havent read this (it was published when i was two).
Terran Shamans=Human Psykers. Good logic there Russ.

Even in this scenario, he may be more than one human consciousness, but people with multiple personalities are still people. He occupies a singular form, thus he is a person. or Maybe he just went crazy sitting on the Throne for too long. All those voices could be the Emperor's New Imaginary Friends.

Unless you are saying he is a warp being, that is an interesting theory, but I already have a thread about that idea running concurrently with this one.

Not really. Chaos has little to tempt the Emperor with, same as the Grey Knights, and the Emperor can protect Himself in some of the same ways (i.e. Psychically).

Woot? The Chaos Gods gave him the means to create the Primarchs on the basis that he enlighten humanity to the worship of Chaos. The Emperor took what they offered, and then refused to fulfill his side of the bargain. And he's called the Anathema by Chaos. He's also been exposed to the Warp and Chaos more than anyone.

I would like to point this out. Please clarify. So, they have little to tempt him with, except what they already succeeded to tempt him with? Because, you do realize, the Emperor did fulfill his end of the bargain in this scenario. Humanity does on a very large scale worship Chaos.

The Emperor is willing to make deals with the devil, and the devil always gets his due.

Connor MacLeod wrote:It also depends just on what you're imagining Chaos to do. since the Tau have no psykers or substantial connection ot the warp that we are aware of, it is nigh-impossible that they will be used as "gateways" - eg possessed in the way Psykers can be possessed. They probably are more immune to the subtle corrupting whispers of the warp (voices, etc.) compared to, say, Humans.

but that doesn't translate into 100% immunity. If they get caught in a warp storm or a warp rift, if they handle Chaos artifacts, etc. they likley can be tainted and corrupted in a phyiscal sense - any realspace matter is vulnerable to that sort of warp influence, even inert matter and it is unlikely that the Tau would be immune to that (resistant, maybe.) Likewise, we know psychic powers can affect them directly (eg no immunity there) so they can be psychically controlled/clouded/influenced that way as well. And if a tau were so inclined they probably could sign themselves over for power or such (EG sorcery, although tau society is unlikely to produce anyone who would willingly pursue that.)

so in short they're protected in some ways, but they're more vulnerable in others, especially since they don't seem to really believe in the existence of Chaos or Chaos Gods.

Good explanation.
So from my understanding, physically the Tau are corruptable, as chaos affects all realspace matter. But mentally, and soul-wise, they are immune as they are not attuned to the warp as much as the other races. Plus with all the etherals and their conditioning

CpatTom wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:
"Where the other Chapters were built upon existing stock, the Grey Knights were born of a new gene-seed, one without the flaws of those that came before, and which carried the gift of the Emperor's own flesh and soul." - Page 7.
Frankly, it's conjecture to suggest anything else. Their gene-seed was derived from the Emperor.

The gift of the Emperor could be a resistance to Chaos, or improved psyker abilities, or yadayada.... It's a possible interpretation, and it can be interpreted as meaning The Emperor, (althoug not an Adeptus Astartes (thus lacking the proper organs) Used his gene seed (the one he created with his mind (which again, is possible)) To create the GK. Conjecture. That is all. Not: "one without the flaws of those that came before, and which" was the Emperors own gene seed created for the GK.

Not to mention you took the quote out of context, which IIRC is referencing the other chapters of the time having used Tithed Gene Seed, not new special issue GK gene seed.

We're talking about the gene-seed. That's the context, which this quote was firmly within. It references a new gene-seed that was derived from the Emperor. There's no dodging the issue here, deal with it.

We know otherwise. He was an amalgamation of Terran Shamans, he speaks to the Inquisitor Draco in a multitude of voices, each saying different things and conversing with each other. The Emperor is more than just a really powerful human Psyker.

Havent read this (it was published when i was two).
Terran Shamans=Human Psykers. Good logic there Russ.

No way? Yes, they were human before.

Even in this scenario, he may be more than one human consciousness, but people with multiple personalities are still people. He occupies a singular form, thus he is a person. or Maybe he just went crazy sitting on the Throne for too long. All those voices could be the Emperor's New Imaginary Friends.

Unless you are saying he is a warp being, that is an interesting theory, but I already have a thread about that idea running concurrently with this one.

Then he's not 'a' man, but an amalgamation of human minds forming a gestalt consciousness, so not what you think he is.

Not really. Chaos has little to tempt the Emperor with, same as the Grey Knights, and the Emperor can protect Himself in some of the same ways (i.e. Psychically).

Woot? The Chaos Gods gave him the means to create the Primarchs on the basis that he enlighten humanity to the worship of Chaos. The Emperor took what they offered, and then refused to fulfill his side of the bargain. And he's called the Anathema by Chaos. He's also been exposed to the Warp and Chaos more than anyone.

I would like to point this out. Please clarify. So, they have little to tempt him with, except what they already succeeded to tempt him with? Because, you do realize, the Emperor did fulfill his end of the bargain in this scenario. Humanity does on a very large scale worship Chaos.

They offered something, he took it, and told them screw themselves. I'd hardly call that success in tempting Him. And no, the Emperor had no intention of fulfilling his end of the bargain. In fact, he went and did the exact opposite of what the Chaos Gods wanted him to do.

How can a collection of deities weaker than he is corrupt the Emperor?

iproxtaco wrote:
We're talking about the gene-seed. That's the context, which this quote was firmly within. It references a new gene-seed that was derived from the Emperor. There's no dodging the issue here, deal with it.

This: "... derived from the Emperor" is an assumption that "...carried the gift of the Emperor's own flesh and soul", the same thing. It is very likely it is derived from the Emperor (and it is my interpretation); however, stating it as the only interpretation is wrong.
Again, they could be given some element of a gene seed allowing for incredible ability to withstand corruption of flesh and soul. Does not have to be the same reason the Emprah is resistant to Chaos.

Then he's not 'a' man, but an amalgamation of human minds forming a gestalt consciousness, so not what you think he is.

A man can be home to more than one mind. The Lexicanum does touch on this subject, with the Shamans killing themselves, and what not. What exactly did they call their creation the Emperor? Oh, right, "The New Man". So despite the fact that he is nutjob (HERESY!) with multiple personalities, he is still a man. 40,000 years is long enough for imaginary friends to move in, get married, have kids, raise kids, have grandkids, and die. If imaginary friends died.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Emperor_of_Mankind#.TqtoqfSIk8k

They offered something, he took it, and told them screw themselves. I'd hardly call that success in tempting Him. And no, the Emperor had no intention of fulfilling his end of the bargain. In fact, he went and did the exact opposite of what the Chaos Gods wanted him to do.

What was that? Create an Empire based on faith and oppression no longer capable of sustaining its own existence? Yeah, that must have been the Emperors goal all along (Dark Age of Technology making people weak). Chaos is winning in 40k. Not the IoM.

Void__Dragon wrote:How can a collection of deities weaker than he is corrupt the Emperor?

How do flowing rivers wear away a stone?

CpatTom wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:
We're talking about the gene-seed. That's the context, which this quote was firmly within. It references a new gene-seed that was derived from the Emperor. There's no dodging the issue here, deal with it.

This: "... derived from the Emperor" is an assumption that "...carried the gift of the Emperor's own flesh and soul", the same thing. It is very likely it is derived from the Emperor (and it is my interpretation); however, stating it as the only interpretation is wrong.

No, that's the only interpretation alright, I even double checked. It was special new gene-seed cooked up especially for the Grey Knights, and it contained part of the Emperor in order for them to be better at their assigned task. What was that task again?

Again, they could be given some element of a gene seed allowing for incredible ability to withstand corruption of flesh and soul. Does not have to be the same reason the Emprah is resistant to Chaos.

It does.

Then he's not 'a' man, but an amalgamation of human minds forming a gestalt consciousness, so not what you think he is.

A man can be home to more than one mind. The Lexicanum does touch on this subject, with the Shamans killing themselves, and what not. What exactly did they call their creation the Emperor? Oh, right, "The New Man". So despite the fact that he is nutjob (HERESY!) with multiple personalities, he is still a man. 40,000 years is long enough for imaginary friends to move in, get married, have kids, raise kids, have grandkids, and die. If imaginary friends died.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Emperor_of_Mankind#.TqtoqfSIk8k

And yet, the actual evidence tells us that the Emperor isn't just a single mind. He isn't a human in any form we know.

They offered something, he took it, and told them screw themselves. I'd hardly call that success in tempting Him. And no, the Emperor had no intention of fulfilling his end of the bargain. In fact, he went and did the exact opposite of what the Chaos Gods wanted him to do.

What was that? Create an Empire based on faith and oppression no longer capable of sustaining its own existence? Yeah, that must have been the Emperors goal all along (Dark Age of Technology making people weak). Chaos is winning in 40k. Not the IoM.

Is it an empire based on faith towards Chaos? Nope.

Void__Dragon wrote:How can a collection of deities weaker than he is corrupt the Emperor?

How do flowing rivers wear away a stone?

This formatting stuff isnt easy for me.

iproxtaco wrote: No, that's the only interpretation alright, I even double checked. It was special new gene-seed cooked up especially for the Grey Knights, and it contained part of the Emperor in order for them to be better at their assigned task. What was that task again?

Fair enough, English is my second language after argument, so I very well could be wrong.

It does.

Cool story

And yet, the actual evidence tells us that the Emperor isn't just a single mind. He isn't a human in any form we know.

The evidence with the squats running around in it?

If he isn't Human he should be purged. Just like those Space Marines, not human giants.

Is it an empire based on faith towards Chaos? Nope.

The direction is hardly relevant when it all feeds into the same Warp.

Depends on the permeability of the stone, otherwise, the river will flow round it. See where I'm going with this?

Yes, erosion is a lie being sold to elementary school children in a hopes that some will find geology interesting.

CpatTom wrote:This formatting stuff isnt easy for me.

iproxtaco wrote: No, that's the only interpretation alright, I even double checked. It was special new gene-seed cooked up especially for the Grey Knights, and it contained part of the Emperor in order for them to be better at their assigned task. What was that task again?

Fair enough, English is my second language after argument, so I very well could be wrong.

You are wrong.

It does.

Cool story

Cool story bro.

And yet, the actual evidence tells us that the Emperor isn't just a single mind. He isn't a human in any form we know.

The evidence with the squats running around in it?

If he isn't Human he should be purged. Just like those Space Marines, not human giants.

Nope.

The majority of the Imperium already thinks he's a God, and therefore not human. Oh, and Astartes are still of the homo-sapiens species.

Is it an empire based on faith towards Chaos? Nope.

The direction is hardly relevant when it all feeds into the same Warp.

Ok then. No not really, I think it matters just a bit whether the Imperium worships Chaos or not, considering not every little act humanity does feeds them, else they wouldn't need vast armies the wreak destruction as a form of worship.

Depends on the permeability of the stone, otherwise, the river will flow round it. See where I'm going with this?

Yes, erosion is a lie being sold to elementary school children in a hopes that some will find geology interesting.

It's Geography actually matey, geology is for weak-minded fools.

iproxtaco wrote:You are wrong.

Good thing we established that.

Cool story bro

Cool story broseph

The majority of the Imperium already thinks he's a God, and therefore not human. Oh, and Astartes are still of the homo-sapiens species.

Nope, can not reproduce with other Homo Sapiens. By definition not Homo Sapien.

Ok then. No not really, I think it matters just a bit whether the Imperium worships Chaos or not, considering not every little act humanity does feeds them, else they wouldn't need vast armies the wreak destruction as a form of worship.

Just all the acts that the IoM is engaged in. Good one Emperor, you really got one over on Chaos with those primarchs you stole didnt you.

It's Geography actually matey, geology is for weak-minded fools.

I don't need any maps. I have an excellent sense of direction, thank you very much.

CpatTom wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:You are wrong.

Good thing we established that.

Hmm, indeed.

Cool story bro

Cool story broseph

Cool story brosephus.

The majority of the Imperium already thinks he's a God, and therefore not human. Oh, and Astartes are still of the homo-sapiens species.

Nope, can not reproduce with other Homo Sapiens. By definition not Homo Sapien.

Organisms can be rendered infertile.

Ok then. No not really, I think it matters just a bit whether the Imperium worships Chaos or not, considering not every little act humanity does feeds them, else they wouldn't need vast armies the wreak destruction as a form of worship.

Just all the acts that the IoM is engaged in. Good one Emperor, you really got one over on Chaos with those primarchs you stole didnt you.

+Yeah, I did, didn't I+

It's Geography actually matey, geology is for weak-minded fools.

I don't need any maps. I have an excellent sense of direction, thank you very much.