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Corporal_Reznov wrote:So the Tau will adapt to Rakghoul raiders, warp storms, temporal dislocations, raids by Imperial fleets in just a snap of a finger?
The Tau fleet separates a few ships from itself to scout ahead of the main fleet and these get destroyed and the Tau fleet continue forward to get ambushed a an Ork raid etc.
We are talking about spaceships not the ground army.

Why are you scouting ahead, in space and not seeing the ambush/ork raiders IN SPACE (The big empty thing with not a whole lot to hide behind)? As for the IoM, they would probably be busy, with that Hive Fleet. The one that the Tau didn't have a chance in hell of defeating. By and large Imperial Commanders aren't going to engage the Tau in this situation given they are probably going to have orders to report to whatever is left of Ultramar in order to attempt to stop the Nids before they eat the Golden Throne. Or if they dont have orders, then the nids have already nom'd on the Golden Throne, and the Greater Good is probably sounding pretty good right now.

The Tau would probably have a specific star cluster in mind they would be traveling to. They do have limited warp travel, but warp travel nonetheless, which negates a lot of the risk associated with flying into pirate traps (although the Demuirig are a ship bound race, and they still exist, so it would be possible to continue to exist on board ships). Thinking they north or south along the IoM fringe, instead of to terra. Unless the fringe of Imperium space has some sort massive amount of defenses I'm not aware of.

All six that get space on a ship. What?

Humans wouldn't be a priority in an evacuation scenario. Not many would rate a space on a ship, thus negating the danger that chaos corruption would have. (Not to mention all of the different Tau systems in place that recognize behaviour that doesnt fit the norm, and steps taken to "correct" said anti-social tendencies ould significantly curb Chaos). As well as the Greater Good having inherent similarity to the Imperial Truth, which really has no impact at this scale of belief, I just find it interesting.

What are we talking about? I thought this was about which was a stronger force in the galaxy, the Greater Good or Chaos...

CpatTom wrote:

Corporal_Reznov wrote:So the Tau will adapt to Rakghoul raiders, warp storms, temporal dislocations, raids by Imperial fleets in just a snap of a finger?
The Tau fleet separates a few ships from itself to scout ahead of the main fleet and these get destroyed and the Tau fleet continue forward to get ambushed a an Ork raid etc.
We are talking about spaceships not the ground army.

Why are you scouting ahead, in space and not seeing the ambush/ork raiders IN SPACE (The big empty thing with not a whole lot to hide behind)? As for the IoM, they would probably be busy, with that Hive Fleet. The one that the Tau didn't have a chance in hell of defeating. By and large Imperial Commanders aren't going to engage the Tau in this situation given they are probably going to have orders to report to whatever is left of Ultramar in order to attempt to stop the Nids before they eat the Golden Throne. Or if they dont have orders, then the nids have already nom'd on the Golden Throne, and the Greater Good is probably sounding pretty good right now.

If the Tau can't beat the Nids then why would the IG and whatever want to join the Tau, is it because you say so.

Also fluff has mention that the death of the Emp may doom the galaxy in way of a huge warp storm similar to the EOT by the size of the Imperium or Chaos daemons invade the galaxy in mass or Chaos armies invade the galaxy in mass or the Nids now have free reign to eat everything which kills the Tau too.

Finally, why would the Tau scout? If they had any brains, tthey would scout so as to know the places to avoid like crashing into a black hole, arriving at the heat of an Ork empire, arriving at an area of temporal instability or arriving in the middle of a battle between Imperium and Chaos or by accident hitting a WARP RIFT. Orks and their ships can be sneaky when they want to be; read the RT rpg's to find out about this.

Humans wouldn't be a priority in an evacuation scenario. Not many would rate a space on a ship, thus negating the danger that chaos corruption would have. (Not to mention all of the different Tau systems in place that recognize behaviour that doesnt fit the norm, and steps taken to "correct" said anti-social tendencies ould significantly curb Chaos). As well as the Greater Good having inherent similarity to the Imperial Truth, which really has no impact at this scale of belief, I just find it interesting.

Provide evidence that the Tau can even recognize subtle Chaos religions in their midst. Atleast, you admit the Tau would they morally grey or bad things depending on ones point of view .

wow alot of Tau doom wishers here, why is it anytime somebody starts talking about the Tau, it usually devolves into how they will be wiped out/ corrupted/ eaten by poodles etc.

Guess people dont like getting any optimism in their grimdark huh..( you got chocolate in my peanut butter!! )

Well since I like the little blue dudes, and have a sizeable finacial investment in their well being, guess I will contribute my 2 creds/workchits to this love fest.

In the eventuality that the Tau were forced to abandon thier home planets in order to ensure the continued survival of the race, alot would have to do with the onset time, and the amount of breather they could have to build up a sizable evacuation fleet and make all the preperations for the Exodus, likely this would involve calling in all their favors from allied races, ( Demiurg , Nicassar , kroot etc ), and gather the flock as it were, since if the Tau are in the grinder so are their allies.

So gathering a ragtag fugitive fleet ( que battlestar galactica music ) they would set course for safety, likely in several mutually supporting fleets, with adequate defenses.

The Fleets would be stocked with the best and brightest they could muster and likely include even their allied non space faring races, as long as they bring something useful to the survival table, ( not because the blue guys are nicey nice, but they are logical, and having a diverse force expands their options for colonization. )

All that cannot be evacuated would prepare to hold for aslong as is possible to give the exodus as much time as possible. ( the greater good can be a bitch.)

Now space is a vast place..a vasty vast place..in fact its so big its hard to even imagine it, and a fleet even a emipire size evacuation fleet would be but a speck in its vasty vastness, and pirates..being pirates tend to hang araound known space lanes and near occupied systems. ( since no ships to loot make for a sad space pirate, and a dead space pirate captain.)
So by merely avoiding all the standard spacelanes and occupied systems, most of the potential pirate silliness could be avoided.

And as for Imperial fleets and such, just dont poke the tiger, avoid imperial planets, avoid imperial space, go around, evade escape, and if discovered, make sure what ever scout element that discovers you never gets back to mommy, get my drift?

Likely these Exodus fleets would use Recon drones to scout out systems that they had no intel on, and if scout drones dont report send another one..if it does not report dont send anymore and push on.

Once these fleets either reach their destination ( star cluster, safe worlds or what ever ) and providing its not a heavily defended imperial planet, which the recon drones would have sniffed out ( see above ), then they could begin colonization operations, since the Tau seem pretty able at droping colonies and building up infrastructure, a new start would not be to difficult, and if the targeted planets have squatters, well a hungry heavily armed refugee force is not something to trifle with, likely it would be in the best interest of the squatters to deal with the water caste diplomats...nicely.

Now I am sure all the blue haters out there can easily conjure up a black hole or star demon or a space squid to eat all the tau up and burp twice, but fortuntaly my blue dudes packed disaster repellant spray.

gee that was fun.

( spaced for easy quote clipping we Tau try to be helpful. )

Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:wow alot of Tau doom wishers here, why is it anytime somebody starts talking about the Tau, it usually devolves into how they will be wiped out/ corrupted/ eaten by poodles etc.

Guess people dont like getting any optimism in their grimdark huh..( you got chocolate in my peanut butter!! )

Well since I like the little blue dudes, and have a sizeable finacial investment in their well being, guess I will contribute my 2 creds/workchits to this love fest.

In the eventuality that the Tau were forced to abandon thier home planets in order to ensure the continued survival of the race, alot would have to do with the onset time, and the amount of breather they could have to build up a sizable evacuation fleet and make all the preperations for the Exodus, likely this would involve calling in all their favors from allied races, ( Demiurg , Nicassar , kroot etc ), and gather the flock as it were, since if the Tau are in the grinder so are their allies.

So gathering a ragtag fugitive fleet ( que battlestar galactica music ) they would set course for safety, likely in several mutually supporting fleets, with adequate defenses.

The Fleets would be stocked with the best and brightest they could muster and likely include even their allied non space faring races, as long as they bring something useful to the survival table, ( not because the blue guys are nicey nice, but they are logical, and having a diverse force expands their options for colonization. )

All that cannot be evacuated would prepare to hold for aslong as is possible to give the exodus as much time as possible. ( the greater good can be a bitch.)

Now space is a vast place..a vasty vast place..in fact its so big its hard to even imagine it, and a fleet even a emipire size evacuation fleet would be but a speck in its vasty vastness, and pirates..being pirates tend to hang araound known space lanes and near occupied systems. ( since no ships to loot make for a sad space pirate, and a dead space pirate captain.)
So by merely avoiding all the standard spacelanes and occupied systems, most of the potential pirate silliness could be avoided.

And as for Imperial fleets and such, just dont poke the tiger, avoid imperial planets, avoid imperial space, go around, evade escape, and if discovered, make sure what ever scout element that discovers you never gets back to mommy, get my drift?

Likely these Exodus fleets would use Recon drones to scout out systems that they had no intel on, and if scout drones dont report send another one..if it does not report dont send anymore and push on.

Once these fleets either reach their destination ( star cluster, safe worlds or what ever ) and providing its not a heavily defended imperial planet, which the recon drones would have sniffed out ( see above ), then they could begin colonization operations, since the Tau seem pretty able at droping colonies and building up infrastructure, a new start would not be to difficult, and if the targeted planets have squatters, well a hungry heavily armed refugee force is not something to trifle with, likely it would be in the best interest of the squatters to deal with the water caste diplomats...nicely.

Now I am sure all the blue haters out there can easily conjure up a black hole or star demon or a space squid to eat all the tau up and burp twice, but fortuntaly my blue dudes packed disaster repellant spray.

gee that was fun.

( spaced for easy quote clipping we Tau try to be helpful. )

This is actually the most sensible escape plan for the Tau I've read. CpatTom's one is just full of holes to me. Well done .

Still the very fact that Space is huge and full of dangers means that the Tau will lose ships(attrition) but not the whole fleet.

Well having space living-in races such as Demiurg and Nicassar and using alot of Drones for dangerous spots would severly mitigate those space dangers, also not having all their eggs in one basket is also a good way to succed as well, if any race has the cultural cohesivness to actually pull off a Exodus of this size the Tau are the best suited for it in 40k...minus Farsight of course, but maybe he would come back aboard the Greater good wagon....cause dieing is no way to prove a point, at least not the best way.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:This is actually the most sensible escape plan for the Tau I've read. CpatTom's one is just full of holes to me. Well done .
Still the very fact that Space is huge and full of dangers means that the Tau will lose ships(attrition) but not the whole fleet.

I'm glad you agree with me, because they are in fact the same plans. I may not have presented it in a way you could understand, and I apologize for that.

Once you join Chaos, you can never leave. Even Arguleon Veq/Karnulon, who rebelled against the Word Bearers and the Dark Gods, said he is nothing, just a rogue consumed by desire revenge against Chaos for what it did to him.