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Have any SoB ever turned rogue or turned to chaos....I've never heard of sisters turning.
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Yes, but not likely to happen...........

black templar wrote:Have any SoB ever turned rogue or turned to chaos....I've never heard of sisters turning.
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"A sign of the Sisters' strength is the fact that in their entire history only a single sister, Miriael Sabathiel, has fallen to the lure of Chaos. How Miriael fell is unknown, only that she was turned from the Emperor's light to Slaanesh worship, and now serves as one of the Prince of Chaos' greatest warriors."

2'nd and 3'rd edition SoB codex. Beside that one none has ever gone rough again.
Of course, there are great number of people here who imagine Sisters in worst Slaanesh BDSM action and to them Sister falling to Chaos is as normal as Grey Knight falling to Chaos.

They are basically baseline humans, so they can be turned, I can't think of any specific fluff instances where it happened. But in the first Grey Knights novel a sister mentions to Justicar Alaric that "I know no Grey Knight has turned, but some sisters have, it is rare and we don't like talking about it."

Or something to that effect, not the exact quote.

Depends on where you look, and what interpretation you choose to follow.

The first couple editions of 40k had them incorruptible, but like a lot of other things they have since surrendered this trait to a Marine Chapter (-> Grey Knights) and have "only" become difficult/rare to corrupt, with instances of where it happened being mentioned in some GW material such as the newest GK Codex or the Daemonifuge reference in Andy Hoare's Liber Sororitas WD article.

In general, their extremely strict lifestyle and religious zeal does not only make them harder to fall prey to the temptations of Chaos but would have them take their own lifes rather than being twisted into becoming servants of the great enemy.

That said, especially with 40k, nothing is ever impossible, and personally I would say that a certain risk of corruption is always sensible, as long as it doesn't get out of hand (like in certain Black Library novels who usually have them turn in every second book or so).

Corrupted Sisters being an extreme rarity (due to their mindset and conditioning as well as their comparatively low numbers to begin with) also makes cases like that of Chaos-Champion Miriael Sabathiel stand out as being all the more remarkable, so this is what I'm personally rolling with.

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Brother Coa wrote:"A sign of the Sisters' strength is the fact that in their entire history only a single sister, Miriael Sabathiel, has fallen to the lure of Chaos. How Miriael fell is unknown, only that she was turned from the Emperor's light to Slaanesh worship, and now serves as one of the Prince of Chaos' greatest warriors."
2'nd and 3'rd edition SoB codex.

Actually, do you happen to have a page number for that? I do know that Lexicanum claims it, and I even think I've read it in these books years ago, but I have both codices and for the Emperor's love I cannot find it in either one. I only have Abnett's short story on her, as well as the list of her rather impressive personal army.

Lynata wrote:Actually, do you happen to have a page number for that? I do know that Lexicanum claims it, and I even think I've read it in these books years ago, but I have both codices and for the Emperor's love I cannot find it in either one. I only have Abnett's short story on her, as well as the list of her rather impressive personal army.

I just downloaded 2'nd and 3'rd edition codex and can't find the info.
Is it possible that all are using Abnett's story and connect it to the codex?

Its' a piece of old fluff, so it's likely.

Still, the "chaos sisters" crowd has struck me to mostly be either losers interested in seeing a lot of women who worship Slaanesh or just more of the same boring, unoriginal, rehashed "omg chaos [noun]!" crap that you see everywhere.

Melissia wrote:Its' a piece of old fluff, so it's likely.

Still, the "chaos sisters" crowd has struck me to mostly be either losers interested in seeing a lot of women who worship Slaanesh or just more of the same boring, unoriginal, rehashed "omg chaos [noun]!" crap that you see everywhere.

It was just curiosity I wanted to know if they were as pure as Grey Knights.

black templar wrote:
It was just curiosity I wanted to know if they were as pure as Grey Knights.

Just read "Bloodtide" and you will see that Sister faith makes them more incorruptible then Grey Knights themselves.
Sisters survive because of their faith and Grey Knights kill them and paint themselves in their blood to protect themselves from corruption ( even dough they have superior training + armor while Sisters only had their faith to protect them ).

I thought Sisters succumbing to Chaos was a fairly regular occurring, especially in the Ward era...

No, that just them succumbing to Grey Knights.

Sisters of Battle turn to Chaos like a British person turns from tea. But less often.

As I see it...

- A Sister of Battle cannot be turned to Nurgle. Ever. Fullstop. Nurgle's methodology simply does not function against someone who possesses True Faith. You can't convince someone that they have been abandoned by the Emperor when it's a defining feature of the faction that they can call on literal miracles.

- If you want a bunch of SoB-like Slaanesh worshippers, use SoB wannabes. As I said in the other thread, there's a big difference between a willingness to suffer harm in order to achieve good and a willingness to suffer harm for its own sake, but this could easily be lost on a Red Redemption-style group that tries to ape the Sisters' doctrines.

- Tzeentch is right out.

- If you insist on having Sisters turn to chaos worship, Khorne only requires that you ignore one major trait, rather than all of them. This would be another good pick for Sisters wannabes, as the cultists emulate the Sisters' zeal in hunting witches.

The main point is that they are very hard to turn because they don't have traits of the regular Humans. Like pride, greed, lust... same as Grey Knights.

Guardsman usually turn because they know what's better and they want better, or they simply want to get better status in Chaos or Tau ranks.

Marines usually turn because of quest for more power for individual or personal pride or simply because they love to slaughter things.

Sisters don't have any of that. Most of them were raised as orphans and Imperial Church and the Emperor is the only thing they know about. They don't have needs like ordinary Humans ( even if Marines are superhumans, they still have Human emotions and weaknesses ) and because of that they are very hard/nearly impossible to corrupt.

The way I see it is sisters are extremely hard to corrupt, but can be, like the ones in Daemonifuge, but only one has willingly embraced Chaos, which is Miriael.

There's that possessed Sister in Daemonifuge to, but even possession can be forced on someone.

The chaos sister is a bad idea. It boils down to people having a cocaine snorting, lesbian nun orgy fetish. And no. Leave that gak out of 40k. Bloody perverts. Some neckbeard at my flgs actually said he wanted to do chaos sisters for that reason, well minus cocaine. I mean its not really slaneshi with out cocaine.

Because of that one time it sort of happened, but instead of being like that they worship Slaanesh and lead a warband of cultists.

The way I see it is that it is possible, but not as a full force. Rather get some cultists, the IG codex and convert up one or two to call the shots.

To the best of my knowledge only one has willingly turned. Some have been misguided or used, ala a corrupt inquisitor to fight against the will of the Emperor but only one has willingly turned.

So stop it fanboys, you're giving us a bad name

In one of the Ciaphis Cain books, a group of sisters are turned. The chaos warlord has the ability to control the minds of anyone he comes close to. So they don't willingly turn but result is the same.

I don't see why they couldn't though, 40K universe is big enough fluff wise for you to make whatever you like happen.

The sisters in the that novel immediately kill themselves when their minds were released. They are in a similar posiiton to a Sister in the recent novel (*)

Only one has turned willingly that I am aware of as detailed earlier in the thread.

humans and even Marines turning to Chaos is far more common as are Inquisitors and pretty much everyone else in the 40k universe.

more Primarchs have fallen than Sisters.........

(*)

Yup throw themselves off a dam IIRC.

But for army fluff it wouldstill work and like said they still turned (well forced to turn)

SpankHammer III wrote:
I don't see why they couldn't though, 40K universe is big enough fluff wise for you to make whatever you like happen.

So my story about Grey Knights and Chaos Daemons fighting side by side against Necron threat can happen?
Cool

Only if the Blood Angels show to help out the Necrons and Calgar does a back flip through a battle barge causing a shock wave to be sent through the immaterium which restores the Emperor.


Reductio ad absurdum; the fun fallacy.

So my story about Grey Knights and Chaos Daemons fighting side by side against Necron threat can happen?
Cool

yeah you watch from black library next year

Mr Morden wrote:Only one has turned willingly that I am aware of as detailed earlier in the thread.

Well, I wouldn't really describe months of imprisonment at the hands of the Emperor's Children - likely involving unspeakable acts of torture, abuse, drugging and daemonic corruption - as "willingly". In her background, Miriael was described as one of the best of her Order, which should go a long way of describing one's willpower and mental fortitude (or indoctrination, if you will).

I think it's a mistake to assume there was anything special about Miriael's case just for the sake of trying to maintain a continuity between various instances where one may have read about corrupted Sisters - as said continuity isn't supposed to exist in the first place. The only official source detailing her background, Abnett's short story, simply treats her as the only Sister who was ever corrupted, which is inherently incompatible to all the other stuff.

One could, of course, still claim that this is just what the characters in the story know, as her Canoness is pretty determined to cover it up, travelling anonymously with just two Sisters as backup and entering the local palace through the back door to bully the governor into silence. Which would beg the question if any of this may have ever happened before (at least in the story's own continuity). Miriael is simply very good in that she not only survives the attempt to put her down but goes on to amass her own personal army consisting of at least one Inferno-class battleship, a bunch of Emperor's Children CSMs including Terminator bodyguards, Daemonettes and countless cultists.

SpankHammer III wrote:I don't see why they couldn't though, 40K universe is big enough fluff wise for you to make whatever you like happen.

Not to mention all the different interpretations of the various authors, especially once you factor in licensed material. The more authors you have in the pool, the more ideas and opinions you will get on any given subject. I think the Black Library has three different kinds of Sisters by now.

opps, Ok not actually read her story (as least not that I recall - so very many BL books in my collection and getting old) - just picked up bits and pieces - where is the story - is it still available?

I still like the line:

More Primarchs have fallen than Sisters....

It has since been re-released in the short story anthology Takes from the Dark Millennium, but also used to be available on the Sabertooth website, as it accompanied the 40k TCG. The German version of Lexicanum's article on it has small scans from all the cards, offering a glimpse at Miriael's role and the forces at her disposal.

Regarding the story itself, you can also read it here!

Small excerpt:

The Invitation wrote:"There were three incidents, mass-killings. The perpetrator made a great effort to suggest they were the work of a battle-sister."

He paused, and looked at the Canoness and her guards. "A battle-sister of the Order of the Martyred lady," he emphasised. "A battle-sister... corrupted."

The three veiled women remained silent.

"I knew this was impossible," Curtz went on. "Absolutely impossible. Your kind - forgive me, great lady - your kind are incorruptible. I made a careful study of the archives to reinforce my opinion. History shows us many horrors, but never a battle-sister fallen. That was when I realised it was a sham. Lunacy in fact. I suspected that it was matter of blasphemy. You are no doubt aware that the Pyrus Reach is greatly conflicted of late. Terrible times, and the poison of it, I’m glad to say, is slow to reach us. Sometimes being a backwater has its benefits. I supposed that some miscreant desired to stain the Order’s name by committing these crimes, to engender unrest and panic. I sent the reports to alert you to the defamation."

He paused. Still, the three women remained silent.

"Now... now, I’m not so sure."

"Because?" asked the Canoness.

"Because you’re here."

Pretty awesome story. Shame that the character of Miriael was never picked up again beyond the TCG - I heard rumours she was supposed to become a special character once ... alas, unlike Ephrael Stern, she never even received her own miniature.

SpankHammer III wrote:In one of the Ciaphis Cain books, a group of sisters are turned.

They were mind controlled. This is not the same as turning to the worship of Chaos.

A puppet does not have conscious thought and does not make decisions. Dress a puppet up in drag and that doesn't mean it's a gay puppet, it just means its owner is a fething weirdo.

Mind controlling a Sister and making her carve chaos symbols in to her body would leave permanent corruption on the body, but she would sooner die than actually worship Chaos

At a left turn signal they do....


All jokes aside, basically anyone can turn, IG, SM, Inquisitors. I think the only ones where there hasn't been a recorded incident of them turning is probably the Grey Knights

I'm talking about the Imperium here, in case you guys havent' noticed

Lynata wrote:It has since been re-released in the short story anthology Takes from the Dark Millennium, but also used to be available on the Sabertooth website, as it accompanied the 40k TCG. The German version of Lexicanum's article on it has small scans from all the cards, offering a glimpse at Miriael's role and the forces at her disposal.

Regarding the story itself, you can also read it here!

Small excerpt:

The Invitation wrote:"There were three incidents, mass-killings. The perpetrator made a great effort to suggest they were the work of a battle-sister."

He paused, and looked at the Canoness and her guards. "A battle-sister of the Order of the Martyred lady," he emphasised. "A battle-sister... corrupted."

The three veiled women remained silent.

"I knew this was impossible," Curtz went on. "Absolutely impossible. Your kind - forgive me, great lady - your kind are incorruptible. I made a careful study of the archives to reinforce my opinion. History shows us many horrors, but never a battle-sister fallen. That was when I realised it was a sham. Lunacy in fact. I suspected that it was matter of blasphemy. You are no doubt aware that the Pyrus Reach is greatly conflicted of late. Terrible times, and the poison of it, I’m glad to say, is slow to reach us. Sometimes being a backwater has its benefits. I supposed that some miscreant desired to stain the Order’s name by committing these crimes, to engender unrest and panic. I sent the reports to alert you to the defamation."

He paused. Still, the three women remained silent.

"Now... now, I’m not so sure."

"Because?" asked the Canoness.

"Because you’re here."

Pretty awesome story. Shame that the character of Miriael was never picked up again beyond the TCG - I heard rumours she was supposed to become a special character once ... alas, unlike Ephrael Stern, she never even received her own miniature.

Thanks for all the info - I have a nagging feeling that I actually have her card for the CCG - will have to have a look and a read of the links