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Well sometimes they go bi, but probably not all the way...

GK codex p15 bloodtide also mentioned "some sisters were corrupted the instant they touched the blood etc etc"

does that count?

That's what Harriticus and Brother Coa were referring to, yeah. Seems like Ward really didn't like the incorruptible trait.
Interestingly, that piece of fluff would also remove it from the Grey Knights, considering what it hints at would have been happening, were the GKs not to stumble upon a bunch of pure Sisters they could sacrifice for protection.

It did seem like a Khorne thing for them to do though...

One of many reasons why I don't like that bit of fluff in the GK codex - however it has been debated at length...........still don't like it.......

n0t_u wrote:It did seem like a Khorne thing for them to do though...

I believe that Khorne himself LHAO when he read it

Perhaps even considered throwing a thumbs up in Tzeentch's direction.

Lynata wrote:That's what Harriticus and Brother Coa were referring to, yeah. Seems like Ward really didn't like the incorruptible trait.

Ward just seems to not like the SoB at all.

Lynata wrote:Interestingly, that piece of fluff would also remove it from the Grey Knights, considering what it hints at would have been happening, were the GKs not to stumble upon a bunch of pure Sisters they could sacrifice for protection.

Ward is kind of a moron like that. But then again, Ka'jagga'nath is beaten by a small group of Grey Knights when it has been shown twice that he is superior to anyone except the most skilled Primarch.

Out of all of the fluff that should be retconned or rewritten, the Bloodtide Returns is on the top of that list.

They could turn rogue while they consider themselves loyal to the Imperium and are convinced that the opposing force consists of heretics or are mislead by them.

Like an unidentified troop enters the system and attempts to exterminate all strategic assets that are to be protected at all costs, while parading as loyalists.
However an joint force of IG, SM, Deathwatch and SoB manages to intercept and destroy the traitor force.

Hmm, that's not really rogue, considering they'd still see themselves as loyal elements of the Church and the Imperium. They do that sort of stuff all the time; at least one of the Orders Militant has gained quite the reputation for bloody sweeps through other Imperial forces. Not to mention the things that can happen when you're under command of some Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor.

You bring me to an interesting idea, though: What if they were to really turn rogue and fight an Imperial government which they deem corrupted and/or composed of heretics. Not that I see this happening anytime in the near future, given the current political situation, but still.

Sisters of Battle used to be incorruptible, but "Daemonifuge", Matt Ward's "Grey Knights" codex, and Sandy Mitchell's "Cains Last Stand" took a dump on SoB fluff. So to answer op's question, yes. It's possible, but rarely happens.

I personally fancy the idea of Slaanesh SoB cult, but that's just me.

Lynata wrote:You bring me to an interesting idea, though: What if they were to really turn rogue and fight an Imperial government which they deem corrupted and/or composed of heretics. Not that I see this happening anytime in the near future, given the current political situation, but still.

That's something I've considered using for my own order's fluff, especially considering how the sororitas tend to be treated in the fluff, even by other imperial forces. Perhaps throw in a few inquisitors and bureaucrats who are obviously operating more out of greed than loyalty, and you could conceivably have a small force deciding that the Imperium, (or the parts that they are familiar with and take to represent the rest of it) is no longer serving in the best interests of the Emperor.

And Tzeentch laughs quietly in the background.

I'll admit I'm nowhere up to snuff when it comes to intimate familiarity with the background though, so maybe it wouldn't make that much sense after all.

As has been mentioned a million times, there is a big difference between corruption of the body (which GK and SOB have always been susceptible to... example, breath of chaos, etc.) and corruption of the spirit (which GK and SOB are strongly resistent to with one known SOB having succumbed). Bloodtide was corruption of the body.




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Oh, make that two, I forgot about the corrupted SOB in Daemonifuge.

pretre wrote:Bloodtide was corruption of the body.

Bloodtide is a machine from DAoT that makes your blood boil, it even killed a Space Marine.
Raven Guard destroyed it forever, and without STC how to build it it was lost forever for everyone.
Matt Ward Bloodtide summon daemons to reality and corrupt people into killing each other, he based it on a movie.

Brother Coa wrote:

pretre wrote:Bloodtide was corruption of the body.

Bloodtide is a machine from DAoT that makes your blood boil, it even killed a Space Marine.
Raven Guard destroyed it forever, and without STC how to build it it was lost forever for everyone.
Matt Ward Bloodtide summon daemons to reality and corrupt people into killing each other, he based it on a movie.

what's DAoT?

Dark Age of Technology.

To OP, sure, the Sisters turn all the time. If you want to do a chaos army of the Sisters go for it!

Darthslowe wrote:To OP, sure, the Sisters turn all the time. If you want to do a chaos army of the Sisters go for it!

No, they don't. Do whatever you want with your army, but people who make Chaos Sisters of Battle armies have no imagination and are violating the fluff without exception.

They're free to do what they want to their models, after all they bought them-- but I'm also free to call them trash, as they invariably are, and call the fluff for their army trashy as it invariably is.

Chaos Sisters armies are akin to Chaos Grey Knights or female Space Marines-- just plain bad ideas. Sisters of Battle falling to Chaos are either totally nonexistent or incredibly rare, and the idea of an entire army of them is absurd.

On the other hand, Sisters turning into bi-curious nymphomaniacs is entirely possible and actually quite common in the fluff, as portrayed in the Codex Literoticus, AKA Fanfiction.net.

As I mentioned before - you could def have a Chaos army that mock the duaghters of the Emperor by using looted armour etc. They would not be turned Sisters but Chaos Warlords would likely enjoy this sort of thing....

Zefig wrote:That's something I've considered using for my own order's fluff, especially considering how the sororitas tend to be treated in the fluff, even by other imperial forces. Perhaps throw in a few inquisitors and bureaucrats who are obviously operating more out of greed than loyalty, and you could conceivably have a small force deciding that the Imperium, (or the parts that they are familiar with and take to represent the rest of it) is no longer serving in the best interests of the Emperor. [...]

I'll admit I'm nowhere up to snuff when it comes to intimate familiarity with the background though, so maybe it wouldn't make that much sense after all.

Mhmm. Personally, the problem that I'd see is that the Sisters seem to be very connected to the Sororitas as an organization and the Ecclesiarchy at large, with each Minor Order answering to a Major one, who all have their HQ on either Terra or Ophelia VII. They can act very independently (going by the bits of fluff released on the Armageddon campaign website), but for them to act against the Ecclesiarch, this would require a major incident convincing even the two head Prioresses that there's something wrong with the Church per se, basically a shism between Sisters and Ecclesiarchy as a whole.

That said, I suppose there would be an option to go for some very remote Order Minoris that has been out of contact with its maternal organization for an extended time, and/or where local Imperial forces are "acting strange", which created an extremely distrustful relationship between this outpost and other Imperials. I would imagine that any campaign of "purifying skirmishes" would come to halt after some time as the central authorities are notified of the situation, but given the fickle nature of the warp and the sometimes unreliable nature of astropathic transmissions, it could well take an entire decade to clear up the confusion - or even more. In theory, you could also isolate this area of space from the Imperium at large by a warp storm.

Alternatively, to provide a somewhat more reliable narrative, there would be the option to forego any Sororitas involvement and instead concentrate on an Apostate Cardinal, who raised his own army of militia and rogue military to go on a personal crusade against what he deems to be corrupted worlds. The newest WD Minidex sadly does not provide a lot of options in this regard, but you could always work with "counts as" miniatures.

pretre wrote:Oh, make that two, I forgot about the corrupted SOB in Daemonifuge.

Daemonifuge even had an entire convent of Sisters whose spirits were corrupted by a Greater Daemon of Slaanesh: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Asteroth
This event was even referenced in Andy Hoare's "Liber Sororitas", a White Dwarf article dealing with the Sisterhood's Minor Orders.
That said, those were Sisters Pronatus, not Sisters of Battle - not sure if there should be a difference, though. If anything, the Sisters Pronatus should be even more resilient to Chaos, given that they are subjected to blasphemous items on a regular and far more intimate basis in their line of work.

Fetterkey wrote:Chaos Sisters armies are akin to Chaos Grey Knights or female Space Marines-- just plain bad ideas. Sisters of Battle falling to Chaos are either totally nonexistent or incredibly rare, and the idea of an entire army of them is absurd.

Personally, I like the idea of a single corrupted SoB as some sort of unique character in the HQ unit of a CSM army, if you want to give it a special touch. Miriael-style, so to say. I've seen a truly amazing conversion from some Frenchman once, but cannot find the picture anymore. :/

Melissia wrote:

Darthslowe wrote:To OP, sure, the Sisters turn all the time. If you want to do a chaos army of the Sisters go for it!

No, they don't. Do whatever you want with your army, but people who make Chaos Sisters of Battle armies have no imagination and are violating the fluff without exception.

They're free to do what they want to their models, after all they bought them-- but I'm also free to call them trash, as they invariably are, and call the fluff for their army trashy as it invariably is.

This is silly. People that stick to the fluff are the ones that have no imagination. If you need a company to define what you can and can't do that is rather pathetic. What we know from the fluff is limited and is quite narrow in scope. The galaxy is a big place. I'm sure pretty much anything you want can have happened. Also, Melissia, there is no need to be a cranky pants. Your attitude is indicative of an elitist attitude that fluff fascists tend to have, i.e. saying that everybody else's ideas are terrible and they have to stick to what the interwebs have told them. It's a game.

Edited for my idiotic grammar.

Darthslowe wrote:People that stick to the fluff are the ones that have no imagination.

I object this assessment. It's perfectly possible to do a cool and interesting concept without violating a setting's established background.

That said, this isn't Star Wars with an established canon policy. We have fluff making corrupted Sisters rare and we have fluff for the opposite. Just choose one of the many interpretations you like and roll with it. Personally, I would deem a full Chaos Sisters army to be quite cliché and violating the spirit of the faction, but this is merely a question of preferences, and as Gav Thorpe said, "none of it is wrong".

Darthslowe wrote:
This is silly. People that stick to the fluff are the ones that have no imagination. If you need a company to define what you can and can't do that is rather pathetic. What we know from the fluff is limited and is quite narrow in scope. The galaxy is a big place. I'm sure pretty much anything you want can have happened. Also, Melissia, there is no need to be a cranky pants. Your attitude is indicative of an elitist attitude that fluff fascists tend to have, i.e. saying that everybody else's ideas are terrible and they have to stick to what the interwebs have told them. It's a game.

She is right, if you want your own army - fine. But you must follow fluff for it is fundamental to all 40k. And some things just can't go together.
Making Chaos Battle Sisters is like making Chaos Grey Knights or Tyranid Necrons or Chaos Loyalists - simply impossible.
We all suffer Ward's horrors stories we don't need yet another guy with brilliant ideas for the fluff.

There's nothing wrong with Chaos SoBs.

If you can't handle that idea, then maybe 40k isn't the game for you. FoW might be in your ballpark.

I've faced a Chaos army converted to be a hockey team with santa claus-bloodletters. (his rhinos had zambonies )

I've faced Tyranids who wear cowboy hats and swing lassos.

I've even faced female space wolves.

The fluff is a basic guideline. If you try to stick to it you will go mad.

Darthslowe wrote:People that stick to the fluff are the ones that have no imagination.

People who just add "chaos" before the name fo any army and say that's what their army is have no imagination at all.

Darthslowe wrote:If you need a company to define what you can and can't do that is rather pathetic.

If you're so unimaginative that the only concept you can think of for a new army is to add "chaos" as a descriptor to a previously existing army then you probably should let someone else come up with your concept.

Darthslowe wrote:What we know from the fluff is limited and is quite narrow in scope.

IT's quite specific.

Darthslowe wrote:Your attitude is indicative of an elitist attitude

No, my attitude is indictive of me being tired of boring ass chaos players trying to add "chaos" before the name of every army in the game.

DeffDred wrote:There's nothing wrong with Chaos SoBs.

There's tons wrong with Chaos Sisters of Battle. It's cliche, it's bland, it's overdone, it's misogynistic, it's unimaginative, it's anathema to the lore, it's stupid, and worst of all it's just plain boring the same way all of the other "take an army and add chaos" ideas are. So far we've seen people asking for Chaos Sisters, Chaos Grey Knights, Chaos Orks, Chaos Tyranids, Chaos Tau, Chaos Necrons, on a different forum I saw Chaos Custodes, and probably plenty of others. It's like these are the lowest common denominator of Chaos players, who have no imagination so all they do is copy-paste everyone else's army and claim it as their own instead.

I outright refuse to respect their ideas, even if I respect the fact that it's their models and they can do whatever they want with them. Their ideas suck and I will point this out gladly and frequently.

If you're so unimaginative that the only concept you can think of for a new army is to add "chaos" as a descriptor to a previously existing army then you probably should let someone else come up with your concept.

Because DARK Eldar is way more imaginative.

DeffDred wrote:

If you're so unimaginative that the only concept you can think of for a new army is to add "chaos" as a descriptor to a previously existing army then you probably should let someone else come up with your concept.

Because DARK Eldar is way more imaginative.

Dark Eldar are Eldar who are continuing their old traditions and refusing to adopt the new ones-- even going so far as to feed souls to the thirsting god/dess that hunts them so that they can keep the hedonistic lifestyles their society had in the past, holding on to the ancient legacies of their forebears even if they do so in vain. The moniker "dark" is something humans added to distinguish the group, when a more accurate descriptor would be traditionalists, but I suppose most people wouldn't care about that sort of semantics. You can claim that the schism that tore the Eldar society apart (IE the birth of Slaanesh and the fall of the Eldar) is unimaginative if you want, but it's still less cliche than adding "chaos" to the beginning of an army's name.

I'm confused Melissia. Are you calling people unoriginal because of what they call their army or what they imagine is possible with an army?