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I don't think that GW will lever excluded another race again...
They said in interview that they excluded the Squats because they did them all wrong. But that they won't do the same thing again.

We are talking about purity of Sisters here, and their devotion - witch is now highest in the Imperium ( with Mr. Ward completely made GK less faithful then Sisters ). With a question - can they be turned to Chaos?
Answer would be: yes but very, very hard. It would require large amount of time in torture. I am sure Chaos would be able to even corrupt a Grey Knight if they ever succeed in capturing one.

What would she do if tortured until she turned to Chaos?

Simple.

She would die from her tortures, and all they would have of their troubles is a desecrated corpse.

Ok for that but what about Miriael Sabathiel?

Isn't she fall to Chaos as a result being held for many days?

Yes. If you include her into your interpretation of the fluff.

Whist I personally don't accept FFG's invention of Psyker Sisters, I do accept Sabertooth's invention of Miriael Sabathiel into my perception of the setting. I think she's a rather badass Chaos character - though her being as unique as she is powerful/influential adds a lot to her coolness.

Miriael Sabathiel fell, yes... but she is a unique character, and as I and Lynata have said ,her uniqueness is what makes her story interesting.

Sort of a one of a kind deal. Add more and it just dilutes the awesomeness and makes it utterly lame.

So, she is unique. Meaning no Sister can fall again or it's very hard to corrupt a Sister?

Brother Coa wrote:So, she is unique. Meaning no Sister can fall again or it's very hard to corrupt a Sister?

This is really a big question of personal interpretation.

For some, there already are other Sisters who were corrupted. For others, there are none at all.

Personally, I like Miriael, but I think her case should stay unique as this is what makes her so interesting. That said, the mere potential will always exist. It has to, simply because what has happened once can always happen again. Otherwise you're just having a situation like with all those people who said "this would have never happened here" after Tchernobyl. A statement which was loudly defended until Fukushima happened.

Tl;dr: in my opinion, it's just really, really hard. And whilst a repetition would be possible, it would be a poor literary decision. Sort of like the Clone Emperors in the Star Wars comics.

It's not that it's impossible that other Sisters have fallen, only that it hasn't happened. Just like it's not impossible for another nuclear weapon to be used against a civilian population in the real world, but it hasn't happened since WWII due to the efforts of the governments involved and a desire not to let it happen again.

That's not to say taht it won't happen again or that it's impossible, it's certainly possible, but very improbable.

There are no psyker Sisters. Any Sister who exhibits the psychic mutation is branded a witch and dies, after much purification by pain, alone, in the dark, in some oubliette under the Convent.

As to why Sisters don't fall to Chaos all that often? I just happened to be reading an old Gaunt's Ghosts novel recently, and this particular section stood out:

Dan Abnett wrote:(Gaunt says) "Chaos isn't evil. It simply unlocks and lets out our propensities for evil and desecration. That is why it is so pernicious. It brings out our flaws. Force of will, determination, loyalty... these are the qualities that combat Chaos taint. If a man can remain true to the Throne, Chaos can't touch him. A hatred and rejection of Chaos becomes a weapon against it."

"The armour of contempt," said Welt, "I am familiar with Inquisitor Ravenor's writings. The idea was not original to him."

Personally, I think they'd get sorted out in the Schola already - before even being considered to join the Sisterhood and enter novitiate. Any progena who is found out to be tainted by the psyker gene simply gets shipped off to serve the Imperium elsewhere - if he or she makes it through the usual tests.

Progena who are found out to be Nulls, on the other hand, would be sent to the Officio Assassinorum. I believe they have a Temple that works with Nulls? I'm not soo sure in Assassinorum fluff, so I could remember wrong here.

As for Sisters who would start to "change" into psykers due to contact with Chaos - which I suppose might be possible - I guess they would allow her to seek death on the field of battle with an Eviscerator in her hands, after much cleansing and preparation. She was a loyal Daughter of the Emperor, after all.

I have heard an instance where an entire covenant turned to chaos.....so yes

That is like the 3rd company of Ultramarines going renegade though...

riverhawks32 wrote:I have heard an instance where an entire covenant turned to chaos.....so yes

Source?

And there's a difference between turning to Chaos and serving it willingly, and being mind-controlled like a puppet by an alpha-class psyker or similar being.

Not sure as to the source, I heard about it from one of the guys at my local GW.

So... probably them talking about the GK codex and misremembering or misinterpreting what it was they read, or taking a fan-fic as a licensed product.

Lots of people seem to believe that if a Chaos Sorcerer or Psyker does some mumbo-jumbo that allows him to do Jedi Mind Tricks on you, or dance you around like a puppet on a string, that you've "fallen to Chaos". You haven't, you've just had your free will (and muscular control) subverted by another. You didn't willfully allow this to happen and may, in the event that you are, or become, aware of the situation, be utterly filled with loathing and remorse for what was done without your permission. Some victims may even swallow their boltguns (or chainfists or lasguns or whatever) once they realize what's happened.

Falling to Chaos requires the participant to make an active, willing choice to abandon the God-Emperor and serve the powers of Chaos instead. Maybe they serve one of the Great Four, maybe a minor god or a Daemon Prince, or maybe Chaos Undivided. Doesn't matter. What does matter is that they choose to do this willingly and honestly. Coercion may be involved, as in a gun to the head, but even in such situations you have the choice to serve Chaos or have your brains splattered onto the ground. The God-Emperor has a place in His train for those who choose the latter.

Any sister can be captured and possessed by a daemonette but as far as the TRUE fluff is that only one sister ever turned to chaos willingly.

However the black library says a few have turned but I don't count that as canon.

riverhawks32 wrote:I have heard an instance where an entire covenant turned to chaos.....so yes

No. They were being mind controlled by a ridiculously powerful psyker.

That is not the same as turning to the worship of Chaos.

He could be talking about the convent of Parnis.

shadowsnip wrote:Any sister can be captured and possessed by a daemonette but as far as the TRUE fluff is that only one sister ever turned to chaos willingly.

If only there were such a thing as "true" fluff... :(

But even if you only count Miriael - personally, I don't see her corruption as "willingly". In my eyes, this implies a conscious and deliberate choice made in acceptance of some kind of deal, such as cultists praying to Khorne for strength to overthrow their tyrannic Imperial governor.
Being tortured to the point of madness, all the while being exposed to the taint of Chaos, doesn't really compare to that. In that sense, I could not think that any Sister would ever "fall willingly" - and as far as I'm aware, no such instance has ever been described in the fluff, not even the licensed material.

Ironically, I see daemonic possession as having a far smaller chance at success than lengthy torture and subversion simply due to the Sisters' sheer conviction and power of will in day-to-day situations.

As far as Black Library is concerned, I fully agree that licensed material in general is very "hit and miss" on the subject of Sororitas, and I've read a lot of stuff that just makes me shake my head. Fortunately, the absence of canonicity means we can choose what to adopt and dismiss from our personal interpretation of the setting (just like BL writers do it themselves) - I recommend making use of that option, for there's both a lot of good and terrible ideas in the books.

In terms of good ideas, for example, I've adopted the idea of the Chaplet Ecclesiasticus containing a hidden blade for self-martyrdom (as described in "Faith & Fire") into our Dark Heresy game. It just seemed fitting and makes for a nice detail.

I'm only aware of the Demonifuge.

Oh and there's a bloke called Bob The Merciless down my local pub. He's a real S.O.B and when he's had a few he can definitely turn at the slightest provocation so yeah, I'd say it's defo possible for one to turn. Iv'e seen it happen and it's not nice.

Muhr wrote:I'm only aware of the Demonifuge.

Which is where they were mind controlled by a greater daemon of tzeentch (I believe?)....

Sisters being "mind controlled" is like Nazis "Just following orders".

If you can be mind controlled youre being manipulated.

Being manipulated by Chaos is the same as serving chaos.

Can a sister be turned? Yes. Willingly? Perhaps not so much.

DeffDred wrote:Sisters being "mind controlled" is like Nazis "Just following orders".

No.

They are not even remotely the same.

Even if they were (And they aren't), that philosophical babble in your post just makes my eyes roll...

Claiming everyone who is manipulated by anyone else (or does this only apply to Chaos?) is "serving" their manipulator is pointless semantics at best, and blatantly misrepresenting the scenario otherwise.

riverhawks32 wrote:I have heard an instance where an entire covenant turned to chaos.....so yes

Where did you hear that?

I suppose since this is Background topic I would agree that there is clearly very little reference to the subject matter.

To the OP, I think there's only so much that can be concluded.

In the end it's a game. We as players are the masters of our figures fates... well, as far as what colors they are and why they fight ect.

If you want to create an army or write a story or draw a picture ect. of Sisters who are "Turned" that's your call to make.

40k is a much better game as a whole when you use the word "yes" more often. There's a great "Word in your ear" article about it in WD.

I just realized he misspelled convent lol...

DeffDred wrote:
If you want to create an army or write a story or draw a picture ect. of Sisters who are "Turned" that's your call to make.

Sure, that's what 40k is all about. But we will never be able to use them on tournaments, like my Imperial Necrons and Tau.

What about your Chaos Worshipping Imperial Dark Orkanid Taucron Swarm?

shadowsnip wrote:Any sister can be captured and possessed by a daemonette but as far as the TRUE fluff is that only one sister ever turned to chaos willingly.

However the black library says a few have turned but I don't count that as canon.

That was from the 2nd Edition Codex. In the same series of Codexes, the Ultramarines were campaigning on the far side of the galaxy and their contribution to the Heresy was to smash Horus's reinforcements.

The canon has changed. Neither story (1 sister to Chaos, nor the Ultramarines smashing the reinforcements) still exists in the fluff. It changed and somebody realized that there's nothing special about the Sisters to make them immune to Chaos. Get over it.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:Neither story (1 sister to Chaos, nor the Ultramarines smashing the reinforcements) still exists in the fluff. It changed and somebody realized that there's nothing special about the Sisters to make them immune to Chaos. Get over it.

False.

The Sisters part is true.

Brother Coa wrote:Sure, that's what 40k is all about. But we will never be able to use them on tournaments, like my Imperial Necrons and Tau.

Just because your fluff is awful does not mean you can't compete in tournaments.