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Not just them, Sisters and Grey Knight should stay incorruptible. Same as Chaos Legion should stay Chaos not get back to the loyalist side.

I prefer that the potential is there but so far:

1 Sister has fallen
no Grey Knights have yet fallen but that they could

and that is something both organisations they are fully aware of guard and must cosntantly against.

If you mean "it's possible, but they don't through force of will and faith", then sure. If you mean "it's possible, so we shoudl have an entire army of corrupted sisters/grey knights to play around with", then no.

Melissia wrote:

Veteran Sergeant wrote:What's inherently misogynistic about making Chaos Sisters?

Because the overwhelming majority of people who want Chaos Sisters only want it because they want to see women fall to worship Slaanesh, IE, to turn women in to sex toys and/or sex-crazed maniacs. Even Games Workshop fell for this in the interest of titillating their readers, as Miriael Sabathiel fell to Slaanesh (Khorne would have made much more sense by far).

And really, how would Khorne make more sense? People are often lured to Chaos by promises of something they can't have. A Sister of Battle already has self righteous rage aplenty. Khorne isn't going to necessarily provide some allure. After all, Khorne is stupid. And Sisters are conditioned to hate sorcerers and heretics, so Tzeentch isn't going to automatically appeal. That only leaves Slaanesh and Nurgle. Sisters practice self denial of earthly pleasures, but there's easily the room for doubt in that doctrine. After all, Slaanesh represents more than just carnal lust, but the fulfillment of all types of pleasure. And pleasure, being the one thing that a Sister is denied almost in totality, is something that can be offered. If anything, the allure of Slaanesh makes the most sense.

But really, in the end, if we were worried about the idea of Sisters as sex objects, they already are. Nuns with guns with big tits, in impossibly form fitting armor, most of their depictions are of them as cover models (while the males of the universe are typically ugly and deformed). Reminds me of all the models that the Chinese military pays to wear military uniforms and look attractive as propaganda. This is an army/faction that has never been anything other than OMGhotladymarines. If a player was truly worried about sexist depictions of women, they wouldn't play 40K in the first place. Even in making them ladymarines, GW made sure they were inferior to their male counterparts in every possible way. But they are no more designed to appeal to the fantasies of men than the male characters are. For the average 40K player, they aren't even fit enough in real life to be the lowliest of Imperial Guardsmen. The Space Marine is an idealized masculine form. An empowered, self confident individual. Like the feminists who attacked Hugh Hefner in the 70s and 80s, the game no more makes sex objects out of the sisters than the sisters are for being human beings in the first place.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:People are often lured to Chaos by promises of something they can't have.

And there's the problem: how can you lure someone who knows nothing else except Emperor and dying for him? They are mostly orphans and war victims who lost all, they know nothing else except the Emperor and service to him.
And that 1 Sister that fall to Chaos, she was a prisoner for some time. After some time everyone would break down to them, or die.

Brother Coa wrote:

Veteran Sergeant wrote:People are often lured to Chaos by promises of something they can't have.

And there's the problem: how can you lure someone who knows nothing else except Emperor and dying for him?

So, you also just essentially described the Space Marines, and 11 out of the 20 original legions are either expunged or turned traitor.

Nevermind that it's absolutely foolish to believe that the Sisters would know nothing else. We know that there are Sisters Repentia, which means they've strayed from the path of true righteousness. That pretty much confirms that the Sisters do know other things, and that their adherence to their doctrine is voluntary and worked at, but above all, confirms that from time to time, Sisters are unable or possibly unwilling to conform to that ideal. Doubt is the seed of heresy. If there are Repentia, then there exists the possibility for temptation.

Regardless, it seems that this thread, like most about canonicity, is full of citations of convenience.

Repentia have experienced things like greed, lust, pride etc... that is why they are to Repent, because those felling are forbidden. And that thing may happened in the heat of battle and totally by surprise ( like imperial Plasma exploding )
Space Marines are different, they are maybe superhuman but still have Human emotions and Human weakness ( most turn to Chaos because of power, greed or simply lust for slaughter ) - Sisters don't have any of that traits, they simply want to serve the Emperor and don't want nothing else.
Every Sister I have read about didn't show same traits that plague the Astartes. Every Sister only had one thing on her mind: to serve the Emperor as best as she can, even in times of rest they are constantly praying and preparing for battle.
They have no need to be better then anyone else, to loot, to conquer some territory for themselves, to kill because of pleasure, to posses something expensive and powerful, to have relationship and to love... they only know about Emperor and Humanity and Holy War for Mankind salvation.
So, no matte what Chaos Gods say to them they will not listen them. They will oppose them and they will die as martyrs or destroy them.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:And really, how would Khorne make more sense?

Because Khorne is the chaos god that governs martial prowess, combat, and the one that hates psykers the most. His philosophy, as it were, has more in common with that of the Sisters (Which still isn't much) than the other chaos gods.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:So, you also just essentially described the Space Marines

Space Marines desire glory in battle, and the pride of their chapter, their independence, and other things depending on the chapter. They do not live the penitent lifestyle Sisters live in. They also are disconnected with humanity, having given up their humanity to be Space Marines in the first place, while Sisters are most assuredly human. The original twenty legions were not loyal to the Emperor, they were loyal to their primarchs, and the primarchs themselves were frequently immature weak-minded fools (I mean, just LOOK at the reasons for their betrayals-- "omg daddy isn't paying enough attention to me / isn't giving me everything I wanted!" sums up the majority of their reasons, they were unable to man up and admit their flaws or step down from their self-made pedestals) bathing in their own arrogance.

Something Sisters are not-- being "merely human" is also a strength, due to it being a source of humility.

For reference, the quote I refer to in C:WH is thus:


For millennia the Sisters have practiced their unique method of war combining combat doctrine and prayer which enables them to accomplish feats upon the battlefield that appear miraculous to the unschooled.


It's canon that Sisters of Battle accomplish miracles (Acts of Faith) on the battlefield on a regular basis.

An act of faith is not a miracle. You are mis-understanding the statement you quoted. "...that APPEAR miraculous to the UNSCHOOLED."

This is the fluffs way of cooling itself down. The sisters SEEM to be doing miracles and other impossiblities. In reality they are no more miraculous than marines.

In other words, the people of the imperium veiw the acts of the sisters as epic and holy. Just like when they see a spacemarine in battle.

DeffDred wrote:In reality they are no more miraculous than Marines.

So Marines shoot beams of bright light from their bolters that can cut trough tank and have golden shields around themselves who protect them from all kind of attacks.
They can also resurrect from the dead and have wings and flaming swords, and releasing pigeons from their hands...

Marines and Sisters are very different. Marines use brute force and tactics.
Sisters use Act's of Faith and Faith alone to prevail.

DeffDred wrote:This is the fluffs way of cooling itself down. The sisters SEEM to be doing miracles and other impossiblities. In reality they are no more miraculous than marines.

Sisters can and do accomplish feats upon the battlefield that Marines cannot.

Healing someone by TOUCHING them for example.

What annoys me about Chaos Sisters is that it's always Slaaneshi. I mean, I like boobs as much as the next guy, but I don't feel the need to have every occurrence of boobs in my toy soldier collection to be linked with Teh Awesome God of Kinky Sex and Corsets.
To me (as previous posters have said) Khorne makes more sense for most Sisters, as they are warriors. Nurgle seems as likely as Slaanesh. I've seen precisely zero nurgle or khorne sisters armies, but 3 or 4 Slaneeshi sisters armies. Go figure. (This is one reason why I was pleased that the female character in the WoC book was Khornate. I mean, probably would have been better to have more than one female, but at least she wasn't Slaaneshi.)

Apart from that, I have no issue with the concept of Chaos Sisters, and wouldn't have a problem playing against them either (even if they were slaaneshi)

Da Boss wrote:Nurgle seems as likely as Slaanesh.

Nurgle is impossible, for the reasons I stated in my first post. "Only Nurgle cares" cannot find purchase with someone who knows, as surely as I know the sun is shining, that the Emperor cares.

Brother Coa wrote:Repentia have experienced things like greed, lust, pride etc... that is why they are to Repent, because those felling are forbidden.

So, no matte what Chaos Gods say to them they will not listen them. They will oppose them and they will die as martyrs or destroy them.

You contradict yourself in this post. If the Repentia are susceptible to greed, lust, and pride, then the Chaos Gods do have something to offer them.

Remember, it isn't like Space Marines go to Chaos all the time. The Horus Heresy was largely a factor of the insidiousness of an unknown force. The Marines didn't know to be wary of the temptations of Chaos, which made it easier for the Ruinous Powers. Plus, the Space Marines of the Great Crusade were much different than the Space Marines of the "modern" era. It was the Codex Astartes that set down the rules and doctrines for how Space Marines are organized and trained today. In Ten Thousand years, Space Marines have turned to Chaos a handful of time.

But again, we're seeing a lot of selective source selection. Black Library sources used when they are convenient, mocked or ignored when they are not, the same for the rulebooks, etc. It's all contradictory, but you have to take the good with the bad. There have been multiple instances of Sisters being corrupted or led astray, dating back to the original Daughters of the Emperor. But I still maintain that Khorne is no more likely of a candidate for corrupting the Sisters. Just being warriors doesn't cut it. Otherwise all Space Marines would follow Khorne too, but they don't. The lure of the Chaos Gods often comes from offerings of things that their pawns do not have, or feel denied. It's why Magnus was seduced by Tzeentch. It isn't as cut and dried all the time like Angron and Khorne. Slaanesh offers worldly pleasures that Sisters are denied. That alone explains the fact that all of the examples we have of Sisters turning have been to Slaanesh. They aren't consumed enough by hatred and aggression for Khorne. They're too opposed to sorcery to be seduced very often by Tzeentch. And Nurgle has little to offer the Sisters. So it's going to be Slaanesh, or it's going to be Chaos Undivided if not a specific power. But Slaanesh easily makes the most sense, far and away. Definitely far more sense than Khorne. I can understand it seems kind of cliche for the Sisters to go to Slaanesh, but that's because it's the Chaos God that best fits their fluff. Heck, look at their favored method of attack, fire. Fire is a horrible way to die, and suffering empowers Slaanesh. Khorne only seeks to kill. The Sisters also prey on the weak quite often. They care nothing for seeking out their equals, or challenges in combat. They seek heretics. A Sister who takes too much enjoyment in their work hunting down heretics is serving Slaanesh, not Khorne.

I think a lot of you don't really know your Chaos Gods as well as you think you do.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:You contradict yourself in this post. If the Repentia are susceptible to greed, lust, and pride, then the Chaos Gods do have something to offer them.

You don't understand what it means to be a repentia.

Imagine someone committing suicide. They've already jumped off the bridge in to icy water, naked. While tehy're in the air, they're also overdosing on a highly lethal drug, and there's a crack shot sniper they paid to shoot them in the head before they hit the water, and the water is full of hungry hungry sharks (And they're bleeding, making them a target). Also, the water is poisonous to them, and they're about to have a stroke and their lungs are failing. The person is already dead before they hit the water.

Joining the repentia is sort of like that. "I embrace death with open arms, like an old friend." To join the Repentia is no less than to seek redemption in death. In joining the repentia, you're already dead, your body just hasn't caught up with the idea yet.

Any corruption or weakness within a Repentia's body, heart, and soul is punished all the harder because of this. They must die a martyr's death. The Repentia Mistress make sure of that, keeping their charges in a practically psychotic fervor and sending them gladly to death. In truth, though those who join the Repentia do so because of their weaknesses and flaws, the Repentia are the LEAST likely to turn to Chaos worship-- because they die very, very quickly and seek this glorious martyrdom like a drowning person seeks the surface of the water to gasp for air.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:There have been multiple instances of Sisters being corrupted or led astray, dating back to the original Daughters of the Emperor.

No there hasn't.

There's a few examples of Sisters being mind controlled, yes. But that is not the same as being turned to the worship of Chaos.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:But I still maintain that Khorne is no more likely of a candidate for corrupting the Sisters.

That is because you are wrong.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:It's why Magnus was seduced by Tzeentch.

Magnus turned to Tzeentch because he was a spoiled brat who was too curious for his own good and screwed everything up, and then made a deal to save his own hide.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:They aren't consumed enough by hatred and aggression for Khorne.

Again, you really, REALLY don't understand Sisters. Or have paid any attention, at all, to SItsers fluff, if you think Sisters aren't "consumed by hatred and aggression".

The very fact that "holy hatred" is a long-standing special rule that certain Sisters has should queue you in to just how wrong you are. Their hatred is so strong, so pronounced, that GW made a special rule for it above and beyond even what they give to Khorne's own champions. In Dark Heresy, the most in depth and strongest of the three types of Acts of Faith is "Empeor's Wrath. And the most basic talent that all other powers in this tree are based on is Wrath of the Righteous. Further down you see Righteous Frenzy, which puts Sisters in a berserker like rage. Sisters are well known for their hatred of psykers as well. Sisters know of wrath and hatred and anger, directed at the enemies of the emperor, just as they also show mercy towards His devoted servants.

So really, Sisters "aren't consumed enough by hatred"? FETH THAT! The hatred that Sisters bear towards the enemies of the Emperor is freaking LEGENDARY. It has been known to be strong enough to cloud their judgement even, so that they attack when they should not (such as in the fifth Ciaphas Cain book).





Really, this entire argument seems more like you're just arguing because you are choosing to ignore Sisters lore to try to justify your sexual fantasies. You claim that I am ignoring key aspects of lore, but you either are ignoring far more than I, or you only know them tangentially.

You're confused again.

I'm not talking about what a Repentia is, or isn't, or their individual susceptibility to Chaos. That's mostly irrelevant. The very fact that Sisters ever feel the need to become a Repentia shows an inherent weakness in Sisters that Chaos can exploit. Like you said, they're only human. If they are becoming Repentia, it is (usually) because they've given into some kind of weakness or desire.

That desire is what Chaos would latch onto. Like the fact that it is rare for Space Marines to turn, it is equally plausible that it is quite rare for Sisters to turn. But we know it is possible. This is just the proof against the sillier claims in this thread be people who don't understand Chaos or human psychology.


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Back to your usual disrespectful, trolling ways again huh? Can't beat my logic, so you resort to ad hominem attacks. I've shown proof, given examples, shown how the different Gods interact with their devotees, and your answer is "You're wrong".

It's like arguing with an eight year old, lol. And just like with an eight year old, I'm not going to bother continuing.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:I'm not talking about what a Repentia is, or isn't

I am, because you are talking without knowing what knowing what the hell you are talking about.

It's like talking about the details of different kinds of redox reactions with a business major. And that's the simple stuff...

Or possibly more accurately, like talking about the creation of cryptands and crown ethers to someone who has only ever taken chemistry for non-majors.

Melissia wrote:Even Games Workshop fell for this in the interest of titillating their readers, as Miriael Sabathiel fell to Slaanesh (Khorne would have made much more sense by far).

Here I think you're overshooting the mark. The Chaos Gods prey on the aspirations and longings of the mortal folk, but when it comes to combat and hunting down psykers, the Sisters are already there, perfectly in harmony with their existence and proud of the tasks they already pursue. In short, Khorne has nothing he could offer them. With Slaanesh, the story is much different.

I realize that your motivations are to defend this fictional faction from exploitation as a sexualized crowd pleaser (and really, I kind of relate - public perception of the Sisters often is terribly twisted), yet there's a line where it - imho - stops making sense, which is drawn where the members of this faction would stop being human. They still have bodies, and with them the ability to feel pain as well as pleasure, even simultaneously.* All it takes is the catalyst that is normally missing from a Sister's experience. At least the pleasure bit, they certainly have enough pain in their daily schedule already.
We probably don't want to go into details here, but given how much time the Emperor's Children had to work on her, I really don't see the problem. If Miriael would have been taken prisoner by, say, the World Eaters, I kind of doubt they would have even tried. Aside from kind of lacking the patience, possibly even the foresight that it might be worth bothering, what could they have done to achieve the same result and corrupt a veteran member of the Sisters Militant? Nah, Sisters are nigh-impossible to corrupt, but I think it is perfectly reasonable that the biggest threat to their purity comes from Slaanesh's corner. Perhaps that is just a question of interpretations, too, though.

(*: And that's just for the sexual aspect. Let's not forget that Slaanesh also embodies perfection, which includes things such as martial techniques, calligraphy or craftsmanship - all things a lot of Sororitas are busying themselves with every single day.)

Veteran Sergeant wrote:Even in making them ladymarines, GW made sure they were inferior to their male counterparts in every possible way.

That's how a lot of people see them, but I cannot fully agree. GW went as far as possible to "balance" the Sisters' coolness with that of the Marines - as far as they could go without involving genetical enhancements. They get the same gear as the Astartes, they (successfully!) hunt down rogue Marine Chapters, they are far less corruptible, and their extreme zeal allows them to rise above normal human limits. I'd actually go as far as stating that the Sisters are more impressive than the Astartes, because they do the Marines' jobs without enjoying their male counterparts' enhanced strength, toughness and longevity.

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GW wrote:As the Chamber Militant of the galaxy-spanning Ecclesiarchy, the Sisters of Battle are fierce warriors that are equals to their brother Space Marines. What the Sisters lack in genetic enhancement they make up for in faith and devotion. No one is more devoted to the cause and cult of the Emperor than they.

As I said, it's really just that a lot of people, particularly segments of the Marine fanbase, tend to play them down all the time. I suppose it comes to no surprise that the overlap created a bit of a rivalry - which even exists in the fluff, though ironically the Marines still tend to have more respect for the Sisters of Battle than their players do.

Melissia wrote:Sisters can and do accomplish feats upon the battlefield that Marines cannot.
Healing someone by TOUCHING them for example.

Indeed ... unfortunately FFG's RPG has invented a number of really gamey abilities there. A lot of people on their forums have remarked that the writers kind of went "over the top" there, and that they preferred the ambiguity GW intended instead of these shiny "in your face"-miracles - ranging from turning the character into a walking glowlamp to magically re-growing a missing leg, up to the Sister shooting a holy laser out of her eyes and mouth. SHOOP DA WHOOP!

Meh. There's a reason I did not pick any of these new flashy "divine magic" spells for my own Dark Heresy character. I've grown fond of the "classic" interpretation.

The ones I've used haven't exactly been "flashy" either. Mind you, it's not like the canon ones are that much less flashy. Light of the Emperor is by definition "flashy", hehehe... So was Spirit of the Martyr IIRC. The only one that I see as truly over the top (rather than simply teetering on the edge, and let's face it, most 40k lore tends towards that anyway) is "soul storm".

Acts of Faith shouldn't directly attack enemies, that's the realm of psychic powers-- instead they should enhance something about the Sisters and the faithful surrounding them. But that's something for another topic.

Melissia wrote:

Veteran Sergeant wrote:I'm not talking about what a Repentia is, or isn't

I am, because you are talking without knowing what knowing what the hell you are talking about.

It's like talking about the details of different kinds of redox reactions with a business major. And that's the simple stuff...

Or possibly more accurately, like talking about the creation of cryptands and crown ethers to someone who has only ever taken chemistry for non-majors.

This is great. I need some popcorn.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:
I'm not talking about what a Repentia is, or isn't, or their individual susceptibility to Chaos. That's mostly irrelevant. The very fact that Sisters ever feel the need to become a Repentia shows an inherent weakness in Sisters that Chaos can exploit. Like you said, they're only human. If they are becoming Repentia, it is (usually) because they've given into some kind of weakness or desire.

Chaos offering Sister it's powers is like multimilionare offering a newest Ferrari to the Ethiopian child.
You can't offer something to someone, while that someone is not interested in that.
And SIsters joins Repentia because they felt or did something wrong during her time in Sisterhood and must Repent for that.
As Melissia said - only way of Repentia is death, and they die pretty quickly. So Chaos don't have anything to exploit there.

If you still don't understand I will help you more: To Chaos, Sisters are the same as Tyranid and Necrons.
What Chaos has to offer to those two races when they have no interest in such power?
Tyranids want's to eat everything, while Necrons want's to rule everything. Same as Sisters want's only to serve the Emperor.


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Veteran Sergeant wrote:
I think a lot of you don't really know your Chaos Gods as well as you think you do.

Chaos Gods are nothing more the four spoiled, soul hungry Daemons. Who look to consume your soul in any way possible.
And who would be helpless if not for the Heretics to aid them. I am just waiting for Draigo to find them and kill them

Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:Repentia have experienced things like greed, lust, pride etc... that is why they are to Repent, because those felling are forbidden.

So, no matte what Chaos Gods say to them they will not listen them. They will oppose them and they will die as martyrs or destroy them.

You contradict yourself in this post. If the Repentia are susceptible to greed, lust, and pride, then the Chaos Gods do have something to offer them.

Remember, it isn't like Space Marines go to Chaos all the time. The Horus Heresy was largely a factor of the insidiousness of an unknown force. The Marines didn't know to be wary of the temptations of Chaos, which made it easier for the Ruinous Powers. Plus, the Space Marines of the Great Crusade were much different than the Space Marines of the "modern" era. It was the Codex Astartes that set down the rules and doctrines for how Space Marines are organized and trained today. In Ten Thousand years, Space Marines have turned to Chaos a handful of time.

But again, we're seeing a lot of selective source selection. Black Library sources used when they are convenient, mocked or ignored when they are not, the same for the rulebooks, etc. It's all contradictory, but you have to take the good with the bad. There have been multiple instances of Sisters being corrupted or led astray, dating back to the original Daughters of the Emperor. But I still maintain that Khorne is no more likely of a candidate for corrupting the Sisters. Just being warriors doesn't cut it. Otherwise all Space Marines would follow Khorne too, but they don't. The lure of the Chaos Gods often comes from offerings of things that their pawns do not have, or feel denied. It's why Magnus was seduced by Tzeentch. It isn't as cut and dried all the time like Angron and Khorne. Slaanesh offers worldly pleasures that Sisters are denied. That alone explains the fact that all of the examples we have of Sisters turning have been to Slaanesh. They aren't consumed enough by hatred and aggression for Khorne. They're too opposed to sorcery to be seduced very often by Tzeentch. And Nurgle has little to offer the Sisters. So it's going to be Slaanesh, or it's going to be Chaos Undivided if not a specific power. But Slaanesh easily makes the most sense, far and away. Definitely far more sense than Khorne. I can understand it seems kind of cliche for the Sisters to go to Slaanesh, but that's because it's the Chaos God that best fits their fluff. Heck, look at their favored method of attack, fire. Fire is a horrible way to die, and suffering empowers Slaanesh. Khorne only seeks to kill. The Sisters also prey on the weak quite often. They care nothing for seeking out their equals, or challenges in combat. They seek heretics. A Sister who takes too much enjoyment in their work hunting down heretics is serving Slaanesh, not Khorne. I think a lot of you don't really know your Chaos Gods as well as you think you do.

Some interesting points - however not sure that I agree with a lot of it:

All mortals are subject to impulses and needs - and why I think all can therefore be tempted by Chaos with the amount of resistance vartying wildly, Grey Knights/ Sisters being at the top end of this ability to disdain such offers.

Space Marines: Actually they seem to turn to Chaos pretty often - its a standard in fluff / BL works - almost as often as Inquisitors do whole Chapters have fallen rather than the one known individual of the Sisterhood. Whilst ignorance was part of the problem in the days of the Horus Heresy - they were also full of those oh so human wants and needs - which still often surface in the Marines of the later periods.

Its a good point about the Sisters being led astray - they are often a bit literal and are liable take peoples word on things - missing out on the intracies of politicing and ending up in the wrong side. Vandire did exactly this - however obviously once they see through these things they tend to get pretty wrathful. This however is very different to submitting willingly to blandishments of the Chaos Powers - this has only happneed once and even then willingly is a debatable point.

There are various ways in which they do risk corruption - from their seeking to perfect therselves in the service of the Emperor to pride and "needing" pain to cleanse themsleves of sins - real or perceived. Different orders must also resist temptation in other areas for isntance the Order Pronatus dealing with arcane knowledge and artefacts - in much the same ways as members of the Holy Inquisiton, the Adeptus Mechanicus and the Relicators Space Marines are tempted. The powers of Chaos are not always direct and can work through others.

Sisters preying on the weak - not sure what you mean by this - they will kill those they see as corrupted but how does is different from any religious fanatic in any era? If they did it because they enjoyed it - then there is an issue................

@ Brother Coa
The new Fluff means that Chaos does now have things to offer the Necrons - not my preference but its there.
Tryanids are less liekly but previous fluff has had corruption possible and of course it used to be that Genestealer Cults coudl and did turn to Chaos to achieve their aims.

Calm down and take it down a notch or two please people.

Thanks.

Chaos Sisters? The Grotesque-lover in me really wants to see an army of Nympho-Bisexual-BDSM-Space Nuns...
Btw... I think that Sisters would be much more interesting if we admit that they can fall to chaos... Just saying: they're too faithful let them appear as protected by plot armour... If we admit that even with all their faith they can (rarely of course) fall, the whole faith thing becomes more interesting because we admit that the life of sisters is a constant battle against temptation... This makes them stand even MORE heroic... not less... I don't know if I'm sufficiently clear... I mean... Just sayng: they're faithful, they can't fall to chaos makes their faith look "cheap"...
About a whole Chaos Sister army... erhhhm... well, fluff-wise it looks very unlikely.... and if you pass a certain limit you risk the ridicoulous (see the top ofthe post)... May I suggest something slightly diffferent?
Undead Sisters! A chaos sorcerer slughtered a convent of sisters and then, using the malign forces of the warp, reanimated the fallen sisters as undead slaves at his service... Now they bring havoc upon the imperium, bringing despair and sorrowness in the eyes of everyone, because seeing the defiling of such servants of the imperium is the most blasfemous act cahos has ever committed...

Thank you all for your BDSM wishes. Now look at what you have done:



Thank you a lot.

punkow wrote:If we admit that even with all their faith they can (rarely of course) fall, the whole faith thing becomes more interesting because we admit that the life of sisters is a constant battle against temptation... This makes them stand even MORE heroic... not less...

Ah, but this is already the case - just that it's a battle that they keep winning. It's one of their most defining traits. If you start making them as corruptible as everyone else you're just going to end up with Guardsmen in power armour, like they are already described in some BL novels.
I mean, every interpretation of them is just as viable as another, of course. I just don't really get why people who like them would want to make them more "normal". Usually it's just Marine fans who fear the girls challenging their Astartes superiority (which is kind of sad, they are all equally cool - if done right).

As for your idea regarding Undead Sisters - this actually seems kind of useful, as it's just dead bodies being turned into murderous puppets. And some instances of 40k fluff already made use of the zombie style, either by Chaos sorcery or some virus. Now, I kind of like the idea that Sororitas corpses could be "sacrosanct" and simply not respond to such resurrection (as I imagine that something from the original host would have to survive to move the corpse - even a Chaos Sorcerer could not command every single muscle of an undead, could he?), but that's just a feeling based on me really loving the "inexplainable" seemingly miraculous aura of the Sororitas that often sees their feats somewhere between simple fortune/zeal/determination and outright undeniable divine magic.
But hey, since we had that terrible Bloodtide, I guess anything is possible. I guess I'd actually go for it, if it wasn't an everyday occurrence and that Sorcerer was a really powerful one who pulled off some majorly complicated and unique ritual. Perhaps it could have to do with where the Sororitas died? Could have been "unhallowed ground"... What about the dead Battle Sisters who had to be left behind on Canoness Sariah's expedition to the former Shrine World of Piety that had become utterly corrupted due to its long-term exposure to a warp storm, for example? Okay, the world was exterminatus'd as the Sisters left the planet, but that doesn't necessarily mean that something might not have escaped. Just a thought.

Lynata please...
Some things are better as they are, no need to change them and ruin the fluff.
As much as I want o to see Imperial banner over T'au with billions of dead Fire Warriors under it, I can't because that would ruin the fluff.

Ah, "the fluff" cannot be ruined - there's no single interpretation of the Sisters, anyways.

Would I do an Undead Sisters army? No. But I can try to steer people's ideas into a direction that seems more in line with the "classic" image, thus not being as, ah, "offensive" as the original version of that concept. Sometimes, a bit of cooperation is much more fruitious than just saying "no", and by occasionally providing suggestions to align some idea with the core fluff, it makes the instances where I do just say "lol thats not how it works" all the more meaningful...

Yes. It happens. I've found a pic of a prime example.

Warning: Picture is NSFW

Miriael. <3

As much as I oppose the idea of mass-corruption, she would have deserved some more recognition and fan-art, or even her own miniature. Her background is just too cool.