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C'omon people you all have one, a character that you just don't like, whether its his/her background, rules or stats whatever!
Personally I don't like mephiston, Really good stats and physic powers that are simply too easy to use, he can become str ten with no effort and fly and loads of other crap!
Also I don't like Dante simply because of his death mask thingy, made commissar Yarric (the only IG character that stands a tiny chance against other characters) rubbish, he just dropped all of his stats down just like that, seriously annoying!

Fateweaver.

The bane of my existence.

Iranna.

Well luckily for me I have never had to fight the fate weaver.
Why do you not like it so much?

Lysander, damn i hate him, the str 10 hammer, the enternal warrior, Bolter drills and even worse is that damn sheild.
He should be nerfed.

Vulkan. Just because, every time I see him across the table from me, I just have to sigh and think "Oh, it's THIS army again".

If you could nerf one thing what would it be?




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Cerebrium wrote:Vulkan. Just because, every time I see him across the table from me, I just have to sigh and think "Oh, it's THIS army again".

i take it you face him alot...

Draigo.

Imotech with his stupid nightfighting thing.

No thanks.

Draigo!

Can never kill the 'tard

I'm gonna have to go for Cotaez with his damn ' I've been waiting for you ' and its anti-daemonocity...

Draigo, for obvious reasons. Don't like Imotekh either.

All of them.
I've always disliked special characters and the way that GW has mainstreamed their use in 40k. Back when the use of a special character required one's opponent's permision to field them I routinely declined to give said permission. I was certainly not alone. Back in the 2nd edition days, my local gaming group was pretty much unanimous in their condemnation of the use of special characters and would give those who wanted to use them grief. I still laugh at the time I heard someone saying "oh look, it's THE Marnious Calgar!!", acompanied by much eye rolling.

I recall when the very first 40k special characters (Yarrick and Gazgull) apeared in White Dwarf and thinking to myself "Why would anyone use these? Do they not have the creativty to thinkup a back story for their own character models?" You can imagine my distaste when a coupl of months later the very first Space Wolf army list apeared in yet another WD issue with most of the named characters that are still there today. My worst fears got confirmed just a few months later when I played my first game against someone with a brand new Space Wolves army and found that he had included all of them. Every. Single. One. That pretty much confirmed in my mind that these new named character models were a bad thing.

Like so many other questionable decisions that GW has made over the years, the lifting of restrictions on the use of special characters and newer codexes tying army build changing universal rules o their use is motivated by finanatial motivation: encouraging folks to buy horribly over-priced single models.

TR

Draigo, and not just for fluff.

Vulkan He'stan. Went a full year before I saw a C:SM list that didn't include this guy. Such a no-brainer auto-include for 5E SM armies, he made all the stuff you'd take masses of anything better, and was more capable than an equivalent captain, for a negligible points increase.

Fateweaver- A gimmick centerpiece whom I've never seen used in anything but heavily khornate armies.

The Stormlord- Another gimmick HQ that gives huge strategic advantages and a very powerful ability to inflict great harm on an opponents army (especially stuff like Tyranid Warriors, Heavy Weapon squads, and light/medium vehicles), simply by being included in an army list. He's intensely hard to kill and all his abilities work without him even needing to be alive or indeed for the owning player to do anything. He simply is taken and gives a massive boost to an army without actually needing to do anything with him. The perfect definition of a "Crutch".

Canis Wolfborn- His fluff. All of it.

Draigo- his fluff is atrocious, I won't go into it as it's already well known. He's also a more capable combatant than most Greater Daemons and purpose-dedicated Monstrous Creatures. way overblown

Mephiston- A guy that's the size of a basic marine and easily hidden, but with stats on par or greater than Greater Daemons and an array of powerful psychic powers. It's hard to find a better example of an author "breathing too much of the fumes" and putting too much of the overblown fluff into the actual rules.

Lysander- Signficantly more powerful than other fighty HQ's for his points.

Chenkov- pants on head slowed fluff involving a lot of retconning of the Valhallans.

Ok guys from what I have read lots of you don't like Draigo, Well you will be glad to hear that at a GW in medowhall they were doing the store birthday and to celebrate they did a 40k character smack-down, everyone chose a character and then we played. I chose Marnus calgar, not too over powered but I do see where some people dislike him. On my turns I first charged Cato Sicarius and killed him then I was charged by Please don't use this term on Dakka. Thanks.Reds8n Draigo, He wounded Marnus 3 times and Marnus still survived the final 3 rounds of combat to kill the bitch! Marnus killed about 500pts worth of enemy characters that game, and still survived to be the second man standing. Believe it or not but Tigerus won! (despite the fact the only thing he did was hide). So just goes to show some OP character can be beaten with some good old fashioned characters who have been kicken' for a while

Vaktathi wrote:Chenkov- pants on head slowed fluff involving a lot of retconning of the Valhallans.

Agreed. From what I read he was a Vallhallan with a reputation of grimly and stubbornly holding the line to the last man, in an army that is know for grimly and stubbornly holding the line to the last man. And he was a Special Character in 2nd Ed Guard, then didn't show up until 5th Ed as a completely retconned version.

Trench-Raider wrote:All of them.

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I've always disliked special characters and the way that GW has mainstreamed their use in 40k. Back when the use of a special character required one's opponent's permision to field them I routinely declined to give said permission. I was certainly not alone. Back in the 2nd edition days, my local gaming group was pretty much unanimous in their condemnation of the use of special characters and would give those who wanted to use them grief. I still laugh at the time I heard someone saying "oh look, it's THE Marnious Calgar!!", acompanied by much eye rolling.

I recall when the very first 40k special characters (Yarrick and Gazgull) apeared in White Dwarf and thinking to myself "Why would anyone use these? Do they not have the creativty to thinkup a back story for their own character models?" You can imagine my distaste when a coupl of months later the very first Space Wolf army list apeared in yet another WD issue with most of the named characters that are still there today. My worst fears got confirmed just a few months later when I played my first game against someone with a brand new Space Wolves army and found that he had included all of them. Every. Single. One. That pretty much confirmed in my mind that these new named character models were a bad thing.

Like so many other questionable decisions that GW has made over the years, the lifting of restrictions on the use of special characters and newer codexes tying army build changing universal rules o their use is motivated by finanatial motivation: encouraging folks to buy horribly over-priced single models.

TR

So you assume that anyone who uses a Special Character is someone who can't make up their own fluff? Apart from that being incredibly condescending, what about those that DO? What about the countless counts-as Characters with names and back stories?

So you assume that anyone who uses a Special Character is someone who can't make up their own fluff? Apart from that being incredibly condescending, what about those that DO? What about the countless counts-as Characters with names and back stories?

That was my thought when I first encountered such characters. You are making assuptions about my current view on them. My first impression when I see a special character on the field these days (especially when it comes to certain ones that are widely regarded as being over the top) is that I'm dealing with a WAAC player.

Let me guess. You make routine use of such models and my comment hit a little too close to home, right?

TR

Imotekh.
For reasons already listed. His fluff is kind of strange. It not only highlights Matt Ward's homicidal feelings towards orks (read the description for the annihilation barge in the codex for more evidence), but also makes Imotekh look like a big idiot when his summary hammers home that he is not.
So Imotekh beats Helbrecht, right? But he doesn't finish him off. Then Helbrecht comes back and trashes Imotek's flagship. So much for hyper-logical strategy.

Anrayker........ (Spelled correctly?)

My buddy likes to field anrayker in a command barge.

It is not that i think he is annoying, or OP, but me and my buddy have this little grudge match between him and my fire dragons.

Its actually rather funny, he painted a fire dragons head with a x mark on the command barge he flys around in.

Back in 5th ed, almost every game i playing with my buddy my fire dragons went after anrakyers command barge (mainly because it is the closest thing and my fire dragons can take care of his AV 13 pretty easy), and my fire dragons would blow up his barge, anrayker would get out and kill my fire dragons. This happens almost every game.

BUT this one time my fire dragons blew up anraykers command barge, he charged into my fire dragons, and whiffed all of his attacks. After that my squad proceeded to kill anrayker in close combat.

It was hilarious.

So for fun my buddie and i both agreed that my fire dragons and anrayker would have preferred enemy against each other.

Lots of hate for the new Necron characters then?

All the Necron SCs. Necrons with personalities? No. Just no.

Crowe, for being an utterly useless pile of horsegak.

That's all I can think of, for now...

About right!

Trench-Raider wrote:

So you assume that anyone who uses a Special Character is someone who can't make up their own fluff? Apart from that being incredibly condescending, what about those that DO? What about the countless counts-as Characters with names and back stories?

That was my thought when I first encountered such characters. You are making assuptions about my current view on them. My first impression when I see a special character on the field these days (especially when it comes to certain ones that are widely regarded as being over the top) is that I'm dealing with a WAAC player.

Let me guess. You make routine use of such models and my comment hit a little too close to home, right?

TR

So you know no one who uses a special character's rules to show their own made up guy? With a made up model and homebrewed fluff? Because I've seen plenty of them, and Walrus probably has too. How about going with what he says rather than pointing a finger and shouting 'WAAC'.

All of them TBH, I find it silly that Marneus Calgar just shows up for a small 1.5k skirmish. They strip the creativity from peoples army IMO. Sorry.
...except Telion, he's my one exception.

Texanity wrote:All of them TBH, I find it silly that Marneus Calgar just shows up for a small 1.5k skirmish. They strip the creativity from peoples army IMO. Sorry.
...except Telion, he's my one exception.

Well its not necessarily a small skirmish remember, it could be a small part of a larger battle. Isn't that what they used to say?

Trench-Raider wrote:

So you assume that anyone who uses a Special Character is someone who can't make up their own fluff? Apart from that being incredibly condescending, what about those that DO? What about the countless counts-as Characters with names and back stories?

That was my thought when I first encountered such characters. You are making assuptions about my current view on them. My first impression when I see a special character on the field these days (especially when it comes to certain ones that are widely regarded as being over the top) is that I'm dealing with a WAAC player.

Let me guess. You make routine use of such models and my comment hit a little too close to home, right?

TR

Back when I was making up my fluff for the 12th Pheltorian Rifles I had a 1st Lieutenant that was adapt at ambushes and flank attacks. 1st Lieutenant James Marchius. Now how would i represent him on the Battlefield? I can't without using him as a counts-as Al'rahem. What about if I wanted to use the Lord General of the 18th Imperial Army (the battlegroup the 12th is apart of.) This guy is much better trained then a captain (what a CCS is ) as has more authority and a greater leadership potential. So the only way I could think up of for Lord General Sir Alec Hudson to show up is as a Counts as of Creed. Its not a perfect match, but its better then a standard model.

Trench-Raider wrote:All of them.
I've always disliked special characters and the way that GW has mainstreamed their use in 40k. Back when the use of a special character required one's opponent's permision to field them I routinely declined to give said permission. I was certainly not alone. Back in the 2nd edition days, my local gaming group was pretty much unanimous in their condemnation of the use of special characters and would give those who wanted to use them grief. I still laugh at the time I heard someone saying "oh look, it's THE Marnious Calgar!!", acompanied by much eye rolling.

I recall when the very first 40k special characters (Yarrick and Gazgull) apeared in White Dwarf and thinking to myself "Why would anyone use these? Do they not have the creativty to thinkup a back story for their own character models?" You can imagine my distaste when a coupl of months later the very first Space Wolf army list apeared in yet another WD issue with most of the named characters that are still there today. My worst fears got confirmed just a few months later when I played my first game against someone with a brand new Space Wolves army and found that he had included all of them. Every. Single. One. That pretty much confirmed in my mind that these new named character models were a bad thing.

Like so many other questionable decisions that GW has made over the years, the lifting of restrictions on the use of special characters and newer codexes tying army build changing universal rules o their use is motivated by finanatial motivation: encouraging folks to buy horribly over-priced single models.

TR

i don't like you or people like you.

This thread has me clapping like a reetarded seal.

All of the above. But i have a special little place in hell booked for the lolicron lords.

At least he didn't call us WAAC TFGs like the other guy. As a Crowerifier/ Deathwing player, you can imagine my response to that.

I'll put down Belial as being a top-notch guy though. He's good and cheap