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Abaddon, Mephiston and Draigo are all OP. I think we all agree on this.

I'm sorry but What? You're the first person I've ever seen call Abaddon OP, he's an overpriced Beatstick that costs far to much for what he is capable of

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Abaddon, Mephiston and Draigo are all OP. I think we all agree on this.

I'm sorry but What? You're the first person I've ever seen call Abaddon OP, he's an overpriced Beatstick that costs far to much for what he is capable of

He might be with the new rules but in 5th and still now against some armies would wreck anything and everything 9 times out of 10. Not to mention the fear your opponent got when you placed him on the table. Just put it like this, if you don't have a 2+ armour save or a decent invulnerable save you don't want run into him on the battlefield.

I have to say, as a Crowerifier and Deathwing player I rather hate my SCs. They do very little for me (Crowe, 'nuff said; Belial's only redemption is that he's cheap) other than let me take alternate lists.

Yes, some SCs are horribly OP. Some are ridiculously UP. Should you complain about it to your opponent? No, because we all have the same options at the end of the day. You can play the same army and list as anyone else. No one is granted special access to an army no one else has.

IXLoiero95XI wrote:

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Abaddon, Mephiston and Draigo are all OP. I think we all agree on this.

I'm sorry but What? You're the first person I've ever seen call Abaddon OP, he's an overpriced Beatstick that costs far to much for what he is capable of

He might be with the new rules but in 5th and still now against some armies would wreck anything and everything 9 times out of 10. Not to mention the fear your opponent got when you placed him on the table. Just put it like this, if you don't have a 2+ armour save or a decent invulnerable save you don't want run into him on the battlefield.

fear.......I have plasma guns for that

even in the last edition he would maul a unit then die. sure you can stick him in a LR with 4 other termies but thats even more pts down the drain

I will go another way with this... IC's that don't make sense and should be better.

1) Fabius Bile... he has the tools of an apothecary, he should have FnP and give it to his squad.
2)Cannoness... useless faith ability, for each HQ you should get an additional d for faith

I hate playing that necron dude that can bring himself back to life as another necron. i killed him like 4 times in one game!

I kill you!

I kill you til you're DEAD !!

Yeah, he and Cellestine are both annoying little bleepers..

Trazyn the infinite is the necron come back all the time guy.

My favorite is Nemesor Zahndrekh and Vanguard Obyron fluff wise. The little bit in the codex about "why they think painting themselves green and screaming like savages will change anything" is just hilarious.

I hate the BA winged SC

I can't stand skulltaker

Trygon! Oh wait no....

Carnifex! Oh.... Erm...

Wraithlord!.... God...damn....

He can make his points up just so damn easily.

And I can't stand eldrad. My friend keeps him in a seer council. With a 3++ rerollable , I can't get rid of him

I have a special hate for Draigo and Thawn. Can someone explain why Thawn magically comes back to life? Is he really a necron under that armour?

Would be hilarious if that was so

I think it's just Ward's 'you can't kill my SC, so there! ' attitude, though...

It wouldn't be quite so bad but the GK I play against took inquisitor karasomething, who can place his orbital strike EVERY TURN on top of a friendly unit (Thawn) and it won't scatter. So, suicide run Thawn into the middle of some people, call down an orbital exactly where he wants it and up pops Thawn again next turn no worse for wear from the giant lasers landing on his head >.>

TrickyTaquito wrote:It wouldn't be quite so bad but the GK I play against took inquisitor karasomething, who can place his orbital strike EVERY TURN on top of a friendly unit (Thawn) and it won't scatter. So, suicide run Thawn into the middle of some people, call down an orbital exactly where he wants it and up pops Thawn again next turn no worse for wear from the giant lasers landing on his head >.>

That is very much gimmick combination and pretty poor one at that:
1) Karamazov + Justicar Thawn costs 315 points (+ 160 points for the 4 other termies),
2) Thrawn must die once to enemy fire before you can use it, unless you want to sacriface the rest of the Termie squad.
3)I Shall Not Yield is only 4+ per turn, meaning it will take average 2 turns for Thrawn to come back.
4) Kamarazov cannot move and fire OSR.

This means, if Thrawn dies on turn 1 (best case scenario), you can on average use OSR on turns 3 and 5 effectively.
Add the fact that OSR is not barrage, meaning it requires LOS to use and it's easy to see that it's not actually that good combination. Especially when you considering that C:SM could have brought 3 Vindicators for just 345 points.

Oh I know it's normally easy to deal with but, as with everything, certain situations can happen involving revives every turn which I've never forgiven him for

Edit* What I'm saying is, math hammer is great and all but it doesn't always work out like it does on paper

2nd Edit* Also that I hold a grudge like my life depends on it, especially when it comes to

I know i stated earlier that Zahndrekh and Obyron were my favorite but i would like to clarify that I would very much preferred necrons to remain the soulless automatons bent on the eradication of all life including on the microscopic level. They could still have had SCs with this fluff. except instead of lords and overlords of ages past they could have been created to be extra stong even over a standard lord by the Ctan who were looking to make generals for their immortal armies. They do not have to have personalities to be a SC they just have to have special abilities...
thats my thoughts on necrons though, but i still love em

Also adding that i hate eldrad as well. and tau for being fisheads

Or they could have brought back the Outsider and the Void Dragon (maybe not Voidy, well, not yet...)

They are the SCs that I hate, for never being released

keltikhoa wrote:I know i stated earlier that Zahndrekh and Obyron were my favorite but i would like to clarify that I would very much preferred necrons to remain the soulless automatons bent on the eradication of all life including on the microscopic level. They could still have had SCs with this fluff. except instead of lords and overlords of ages past they could have been created to be extra stong even over a standard lord by the Ctan who were looking to make generals for their immortal armies. They do not have to have personalities to be a SC they just have to have special abilities...
thats my thoughts on necrons though, but i still love em

Also adding that i hate eldrad as well. and tau for being fisheads

The Crons are still soulless, they are just not as brain-dead as they were before

DogOfWar wrote:

Testify wrote:

DogOfWar wrote:

Cursed Dice wrote:I hate them all because I play IG. All of my characters suck or are way overcosted for what they do. Nork Deddog at 110 points. Really? WTF? Love his fluff but would never use him except in Apoc game with lots of points to burn. Yarrick, love him. Had fun with him the few times I used him but can't get past his cost for what he does. For the same points, my opponents IC's come with force shields giving 2++, Int10, etc, and bitch slap my entire army in assault.

65 points to put a demo charge anywhere on the board with BS5? Kill point or no, I'll take 2!

DoW

You can take two Marbos?

Funny you should mention that.

I always wanted to model a Marbo as the two guys from Army of Two, back to back, on a single base. Thought it would be pretty awesome but never came to fruition. Hmm, maybe I'll hunt down my putty-pushing knife and get to work!

But sadly Wardragoon is correct; no double-Marbo action for IG. Sad face.

DoW

Wanna know what we need? Codex: Marbo. Why just field one Marbo when you can field 17 Marbos, 34 at 2000 points.

I've never liked playing against Lysander. That man just eats bullets.

Matt.Kingsley wrote:

keltikhoa wrote:I know i stated earlier that Zahndrekh and Obyron were my favorite but i would like to clarify that I would very much preferred necrons to remain the soulless automatons bent on the eradication of all life including on the microscopic level. They could still have had SCs with this fluff. except instead of lords and overlords of ages past they could have been created to be extra stong even over a standard lord by the Ctan who were looking to make generals for their immortal armies. They do not have to have personalities to be a SC they just have to have special abilities...
thats my thoughts on necrons though, but i still love em

Also adding that i hate eldrad as well. and tau for being fisheads

The Crons are still soulless, they are just not as brain-dead as they were before

True... what i meant was i preferred the necrons as the old view of them. a giant united wave of death sounds much cooler to me than random bickering dynasties.
DoWark Crusade, The crons in that are awesome and I stole my warcry from that game. " *robotic synthesized voice* Deaaaaaaaath Commmmes "

Kasrkin229 wrote:Bjorn ..... That Space Wolf son of a Bitch is somehow immune to plasma shots .....i threw 90 dice at him......he saved ALL OF THEM

Ha! Brilliant!

Haunter! wrote:I've never liked playing against Lysander. That man just eats bullets.

Not just bullets. Rockets and plasma shots too.

My personal hated ones:

1) Mephiston: Ridicoulous fluff and abolutely OTT stats... This guy simply doesn't make any sense, it looks like one of the many OTT self-made SC you could find in proposed rules

2) Kairos: Army-wide fortune? Lulwut? Absolutely OP (Zebio pointed out that a 6 bubble cannot be considered "army-wide... fair enough)

3) Straken: How in hell can a bionic arm/leg/whatever give you Uber-marines stats? Absolutely unnecessary and OTT (but not OP fortunately)

4) Cassius: T6???? Seriously? this guy is as resilient as a Tyranid MC? Well, not ridicoulous as Maphi but still OTT

5) Imotech: Horrible name, horrible fluff (So you are better of a BT High Marshal in CC but you cannot win a naval battle? Not bad for a tactician), horrible mini, horrible rules!

6) Ragnar Blackmane: The 40K incarnation of the word "useless"

7) Abaddon: U are supposed to be the main villain of the whole setting man... why o you suck so much? WHY??? (hopefully he will get some love in the new dex )

8) Crowe: Is there any reason for you not being an IC? No there isn't... the whole "cursed sword" thing is ridicoulous

Forge world Special edition!!!

9) Magister Sevrin Loth: 2+ invuln? oh yeah... but ... Why???? Your mini is awful btw

10) Bran Redmaw: You are the stupidest thing in the stupidest chapter of Space marines


The list incredibly lacks Draigo, since even if I agree about the absurd fluff, I think that at least he'a a characterful and well balanced character.

2) Kairos: Army-wide fortune? Lulwut? Absolutely OP

Not sure when 6" became army wide.

Yeah... missed to mention that my opponent made an "error" and told me its range was 12"... and so it was army-wide... still maybe it deserves a correction

punkow wrote:Yeah... missed to mention that my opponent made an "error" and told me its range was 12"... and so it was army-wide... still maybe it deserves a correction

It does.

Kairos is severely overrated, I apologise, but it seems a six inch fortune breaks the OP meter for almost everyone, when most daemons have a 5+ invun base and Kairos costs 333pts, and will run away if he fails a LD 9 test.

He really isn't OP.

blood reaper wrote:

punkow wrote:Yeah... missed to mention that my opponent made an "error" and told me its range was 12"... and so it was army-wide... still maybe it deserves a correction

It does.

Kairos is severely overrated, I apologise, but it seems a six inch fortune breaks the OP meter for almost everyone, when most daemons have a 5+ invun base and Kairos costs 333pts, and will run away if he fails a LD 9 test.

He really isn't OP.

For most things, he isn't. It's synergy with a couple of units (e.g. Bloodcrushers) and when included as an Ally that he becomes an issue

draigo.

Vaktathi wrote:

blood reaper wrote:

punkow wrote:Yeah... missed to mention that my opponent made an "error" and told me its range was 12"... and so it was army-wide... still maybe it deserves a correction

It does.

Kairos is severely overrated, I apologise, but it seems a six inch fortune breaks the OP meter for almost everyone, when most daemons have a 5+ invun base and Kairos costs 333pts, and will run away if he fails a LD 9 test.

He really isn't OP.

For most things, he isn't. It's synergy with a couple of units (e.g. Bloodcrushers) and when included as an Ally that he becomes an issue

With the reduction of the BC power weapons to AP3, and many ranged weapons able to ignore armour saves, I doubt Crushers will last long. Most units in the daemon army are incredibly fragile, and will be targeted quiet quickly by any smart player. Allies are probably the most over powered thing in the game, and when Kairos is used with allies, you have a point.

Except since the FAQ, IIRC, Kairos only effectsmodels from codex: Chaos Daemons