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Anyone watching it? I never saw the original movie but I knew of it, and the show is looking awesome.
   
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..soo....


yeah.


It was....alright.

I really wanted to love it/be hooked but it didn't quite grab me as much as I hoped it would.


Well acted shot etc etc -- cast all fine etc etc.

Just, perhaps, a bit too slow.


Music was a bit odd as well in parts ?

Seemed to be instrumental/classical/acoustic style covers of "modern" songs.... which were nice enough but proved something of a distraction for me.



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I liked it, but didn't love it. I'll watch pretty much anything anthony hopkins.

Interested enough to keep watching and see how it develops, but I think it's gonna develop really slow since HBO is gonna give it Game of Thrones Syndrome.

 
   
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Finally got to watch Ep 2. I'm enjoying it but I'm also concerned that it may not have a very good pay off tbh. They are spending a lot of time on set up and characterization, which is good, but I do wonder if it will end up with a great rise and a bit of a meh drop.

It might be as Necros says (GoTS) but it really would be best as a one season narrative arc. Trying to drag it out probably wouldn't be a very good idea.

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I think it's intended to be a slow burn, so I'm watching it with that in mind. But I also feel like there's a lot going on under the surface. Episode 1 set things up as a somewhat typical AI sci-fi story, but episode 2 seemed to hint at some other stuff. The encounter between Ford and the boy raised some interesting questions about the nature of the androids. I'm also now a little less sure of which characters are androids and which aren't.

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Finding out at the end of episode two that Hopkin's character has a 'storyline' he has been working on for some time makes me wonder if the hosts gaining sentience isn't part of his bigger plan/story, though that could be total crap of course.

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I liked Episode 2 more than the first, maybe because things are starting to happen now. Curious to see where the Ed Harris thing is going. starting to wonder if maybe there are more robots than humans and most of the people making robots are robots themselves and just don't know it.

 
   
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 Ahtman wrote:
Finding out at the end of episode two that Hopkin's character has a 'storyline' he has been working on for some time makes me wonder if the hosts gaining sentience isn't part of his bigger plan/story, though that could be total crap of course.


He was the one who introduced the code that's been causing the hosts to go twitchy, right?

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I liked Episode 2 more than the first, maybe because things are starting to happen now. Curious to see where the Ed Harris thing is going. starting to wonder if maybe there are more robots than humans and most of the people making robots are robots themselves and just don't know it.


Regarding the hosts, one theory out there is that

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everyone other than Ford is an android. He could even be the last human, engineering a new humanity? Note that we have yet to really see anything of the outside world. Although I tend to think that theory is a little too grand.


Regarding Harris, another theory (which is interesting and has me wanting to closely re-watch both episodes for environmental clues) is that

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William is the Man in Black. The theory is that William's scenes are set 30 years earlier. Note how William deliberately chooses between the white and black hats. Presumably something happened to him that made him take a dark turn and become the MiB.

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 gorgon wrote:
He was the one who introduced the code that's been causing the hosts to go twitchy, right?


That is what Jeffrey Wright's character (Head programmer Lowe*) believes and has said as much ie the 'reveries'.

As for the Man in Black:

It was said there was a 'critical incident' thirty years ago and the MiB says he has been there for thirty years so there is a good chance they are connected.

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One theory was that the original film is what happened thirty years ago and the MiB is essentially a survivor of that time period.


*who also apparently was a student of Ford's.

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Interesting. I hadn't considered that:

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they might fit the old film into continuity (kinda).

Was there a church in the original film? Maybe that's what's going on with the steeple...it's the old park, buried.


Whose voice was that saying "wake up"? To me, it sounded like Lowe. If so...working in cahoots with Ford or pursuing his own agenda? What if he found out something interesting about himself?

Also, Ford's time with the boy host got my gears turning.

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Is he meant to be a childhood friend of Ford's? Or Ford himself? Are the hosts based on real people? And to what degree?

It's interesting to note that the 'waiver' on the Westworld site grants Delos rights in perpetuity of any of your skin or hair cells, bodily fluids, etc.


Another point about the MiB:

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I believe it's put to William more than once that Westworld will help him discover 'who he really is'.

Edit: I think they also said that Dolores is one of the oldest hosts in the park. She could have been there 30 years ago.

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 gorgon wrote:
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Was there a church in the original film? Maybe that's what's going on with the steeple...it's the old park, buried.


I don't remember as it has been so long since I saw the original. Interesting thought though.

 gorgon wrote:
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Is he meant to be a childhood friend of Ford's? Or Ford himself?


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I thought it was a young version of himself, but it might not be.


 gorgon wrote:
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I think they also said that Dolores is one of the oldest hosts in the park. She could have been there 30 years ago.



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It was stated that she was the oldest of the hosts, not just one of the oldest hosts.

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Its a little slow. Even when episode two has the MIB doing da bang bang (love the LeMat revolver) it seems...slow.

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We'll find out soon enough eh.

I suppose that depends on whether you find it engrossing or not. Personally I find it so enjoyable the end of the episode actually creeps up on me.

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 gorgon wrote:
Regarding Harris, another theory (which is interesting and has me wanting to closely re-watch both episodes for environmental clues) is that

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William is the Man in Black. The theory is that William's scenes are set 30 years earlier. Note how William deliberately chooses between the white and black hats. Presumably something happened to him that made him take a dark turn and become the MiB.

Spoiler:
Apparently, when William arrives in Westworld, the logo seen on the screens is different than the one seen in other scenes (mainly when they show the 'back of house' stuff). The logo shown in William's scenes is much more 'retro' than the sleek futuristic logo.

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Been ages since I've seen the original movie... I watched it for Yul Brenner... I may have to check this one out.
   
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 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
 gorgon wrote:
Regarding Harris, another theory (which is interesting and has me wanting to closely re-watch both episodes for environmental clues) is that

Spoiler:
William is the Man in Black. The theory is that William's scenes are set 30 years earlier. Note how William deliberately chooses between the white and black hats. Presumably something happened to him that made him take a dark turn and become the MiB.

Spoiler:
Apparently, when William arrives in Westworld, the logo seen on the screens is different than the one seen in other scenes (mainly when they show the 'back of house' stuff). The logo shown in William's scenes is much more 'retro' than the sleek futuristic logo.


Well,

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There's also the fact that things look so bright and shiny at the facility in Williams' scenes, and weirdly dark and run-down-looking in the scenes with the rest of the cast. I need to watch those two eps again and closely, but it suggests a time shift, and maybe something dire about the "present"?

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But,
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as correct as I think the theory is, having Ed Harris show up in Maeve's "dream" could potentially disprove it. However, I'm unaware of the show telling us how old Maeve is so I guess it could be nothing.

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Well, the end of ep 3 *may* put that line of thinking to rest.

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It seems like that's the same Dolores who pulled the trigger in the 'present' day.


So if Ford is the "God" figure (and not necessarily a benevolent one), does that mean

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that Lowe is the Devil? Or maybe a Prometheus to Ford's Zeus? Or, if Lowe is an android himself, does that make him more of a Christ figure (Son of God/Son of Man)? Obviously this stuff doesn't have to line up neatly, but it sure seems like there's some allegorical stuff going on with Ford and Lowe. Is the Man in Black an agent of Lowe's? The ep definitely seems to link Dolores's encounter with the MiB with her ability to override her programming and pull the trigger.

Ford is definitely up to something, but it seems clear that Lowe is the one pushing the hosts into independence. Or is that all by Ford's design?


So what weirded her out about the Orion constellation?

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Is it not visible from Westworld? Is that confirmation that they're on another planet, perhaps? Or are they underground?

Edit: The fact that it's Orion could be a little nod to Roy's speech in Blade Runner.

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There was a theory that one of the hosts (most likely Delores) is more aware than letting one and is lying when going through diagnostics. A week or two before the show started someone made a post on reddit saying that they weren't scared about a machine passing the Turing Test that they were terrified of a machine purposefully failing it and JJ Abrams (or one of the producers) replied with "Well have we got a show for you".

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The actress is doing a really good job with that, I think. I have to watch that conversation with Lowe again. But IIRC, she delivers the line about there being only one version of herself with some warmth and naturalism, but then delivers a stock answer-sounding line right afterward with more coldness and a distant stare. Almost like she knew she showed too much and then pulled it back to act like the good little robot. It's subtle, but not THAT subtle and felt intentional.

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Loving this show so far. Decided to watch it with my roommate last week and we both loved it.

So far I think the acting done by the Hosts has been pretty amazing. Even more so for the ones that are dropping in and out of accents and mannerisms during the diagnostics.

Couple questions if anybody knows the answers to them.

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About the Man in Black. Do the people running Westworld know about him? He said he has been coming there for 30 years. Could he possibly be associated with Arnold?


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Yeah I think they know about the man in black.. I think I remember one quick scene where that security guy said something like "That customer gets anything he wants" .. so if he was going there for the last 30 years, he's probably a Platinum Club Member by now... if they have those.

 
   
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I think I saw some theorizing around the MiB not being a corporeal being, but something in the heads of the hosts, since that's whom he seems to interact with. But yeah, the "gets whatever he wants" line seems to debunk that.

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I'm watching it, and it's ok, but knowing very little about the old movie or book, and knowing it's written by Michael Crichton, I'm afraid it's basically just going to be Jurassic park with robots instead of dinosaurs, which if so, is going to be pretty disappointing.

I mean, how many stories about near-futuristic parks that utilize advanced technology that go haywire and start killing people can one author write?

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Well the original was pretty much Jurassic Park with robots instead of dinosaurs, only decades before that was book or movie were done. It is even the same author though in the case of Westworld he also directed it.

Still, this series is taking a different approach to the question and isn't probably going to be as simple as machines going haywire.

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Well in episode four we learn a bit more about the Man In Black. He is human, he knew the co-creator of the hosts, and is on some sort of quest to solve the only mystery that matters in the park. Well according to him.

Delores seems to be inching closer to self realization.

Maeve seems to be inching closer to realizing that the park ain't quite right, though not necessarily that she isn't human.

Ford is increasingly getting darker, though thirty years of basically playing god might do that to a person. Still the scene between Cullen and Ford (Knudsen and Hopkins) was incredibly well done and tense.

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I think my favorite scene was when Maeve drew the picture of the man from her vision then went to hide it and found she had been drawing it and hiding it for quite some time.

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 Ahtman wrote:
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I think my favorite scene was when Maeve drew the picture of the man from her vision then went to hide it and found she had been drawing it and hiding it for quite some time.


I liked how the way they handled it aped

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"alien abduction" experiences and mythology. It's a cute jab at the audience about whether we can be sure of our own free will and humanity.

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I love this show! The tension is killing me! I can't wait to see where they're going with it!
   
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I am enjoying it - lots of good stuff.

Thinking that the nice guy and Delores is going to end badly.

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