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**DarkTraveler777**

gorgon wrote:
Ahtman wrote:

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I think my favorite scene was when Maeve drew the picture of the man from her vision then went to hide it and found she had been drawing it and hiding it for quite some time.

I liked how the way they handled it aped

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"alien abduction" experiences and mythology. It's a cute jab at the audience about whether we can be sure of our own free will and humanity.

That was a brilliant scene.

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**pancakeonions**

I'm hooked. I'm loving the slow pace, the premise, and the acting. Lots of layers of weird complexity that are drawing me in - but might not be everyone's cup of tea. I can't see this show having the fan base or appeal of Games of Thrones for example. Though maybe that's not a fair comparison, as GoT is quite excellent, among the best shows on TV.

Certainly give the first few episodes a go (we're up to about four at the time of this post, I think) to see if it's your thing.

**adamsouza**

I'm hooked.

It's incredibly character driven. A lot of the joy of watching the show is how the hosts subtly change, and develop, from episode to episode.

Definitely a slow burn, but something that would be great to binge watch. Each episode ends leaving you with new questions that won't get answered until the next episode.

I have to say I also love the decision that they have been open 30+ years, and it's not something that fell apart as quickly as a Jurassic Park. It's a nice nod to the original, hinting it could be a direct sequel, and not a total reboot.

**cuda1179**

A few things I noticed. Since the robots (at least some of them) have the ability to self-override programming and use weapons they were intentionally forbidden to use, does that mean that some weapons like knives or clubs might become lethal to guests?

Both Delores and Maeve have been able to hide things that they find the next day. Either there are "blind" spots in the security feed or there is too much to watch at any given moment.

The base code for all the robots is still based on the original code written years ago when they were still trying to make the hosts self-aware. Now that they can tap into past memories, is some of that original root code reasserting itself?

**adamsouza**

Delores is the only one, so far, that has been able to use a weapons without permission. They went out of way to show us the bandits stuck in a loop, arguing for 2 days, over who was going to make dinner because none of them could use the axe.

Delores is clearly special. As the oldest host still in service, I could see them using the explanation, you've theorized, about her having the original code.

About security, I imagine they are only flagged when a host does something unusual and possibly dangerous. Sticking a piece of paper under a floor board, or walking outside for a breath of night air is probably below their notice.

I'm at a loss for an explanation how the bullets don't do more than a paintball's worth of harm to the guests, but I imagine a host that's gone wild would be able to inflict serious harm to a guess in melee.

**Ahtman**

The website has a 'contract' for guests and in it it refers to the weapons using proprietary technology. The weapons are able to somehow differentiate between guests and hosts.

**AduroT**

Yeah the weapons clearly have some extra fanciness under the service as the control room was able to jam the one guys gun remotely. Also curious what would have happened with the "minor pyrotechnics" if permission hadn't been granted.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

AduroT wrote:
Also curious what would have happened with the "minor pyrotechnics" if permission hadn't been granted.

They probably would have had to wait for the Guest with the Snake Lady to come do the original Rescue Plan.

**AduroT**

VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
AduroT wrote:
Also curious what would have happened with the "minor pyrotechnics" if permission hadn't been granted.

They probably would have had to wait for the Guest with the Snake Lady to come do the original Rescue Plan.

I more mean would the cigars have just failed to explode? Would something have put them out? Would he have even known his permission was denighed?

**Yodhrin**

AduroT wrote:
VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
AduroT wrote:
Also curious what would have happened with the "minor pyrotechnics" if permission hadn't been granted.

They probably would have had to wait for the Guest with the Snake Lady to come do the original Rescue Plan.

I more mean would the cigars have just failed to explode? Would something have put them out? Would he have even known his permission was denighed?

Well, with how much control over the environment is implied by the guns and the whole exploding cigar thing in the first place, they could probably just press a button and have the match blow out or somesuch. Or have them be duds - emit a puff of smoke but no real bang.

**Mr Morden**

Yodhrin wrote:
AduroT wrote:
VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
AduroT wrote:
Also curious what would have happened with the "minor pyrotechnics" if permission hadn't been granted.

They probably would have had to wait for the Guest with the Snake Lady to come do the original Rescue Plan.

I more mean would the cigars have just failed to explode? Would something have put them out? Would he have even known his permission was denighed?

Well, with how much control over the environment is implied by the guns and the whole exploding cigar thing in the first place, they could probably just press a button and have the match blow out or somesuch. Or have them be duds - emit a puff of smoke but no real bang.

The level of control does seem quite Hunger Games and I guess they are not watching everything all the time as there is definitely stuff going on that they miss. They jammed the attackers (including a guests) guns in the latest episode but the control room was focussed on that "scene".

Be interesting to see if long term and VIP guests like the MIB have exploits - paid or otherwise.

**Ahtman**

So much nudity. I think there may have been a story as well, but not sure.

**Necros**

Someone at HBO finally realized the boob quota was too low for this show so far, then George RR Martin told them there weren't enough floppy wieners, and there ya go!

I liked the exchange with Harris and Hopkins in the bar, and how Cyclops grabbed the knife so fast even though he was all wounded and stuff. I thought Harris was gonna be the villain, but I'm feeling more like it's Hopkins' god complex that's gonna get him in trouble in the end. I'm betting something will go down and Dolores will be the one to not follow his orders, and more drama will ensue.

**Mr Morden**

Ahtman wrote:
So much nudity. I think there may have been a story as well, but not sure.

Have you watched Sparticus

**AduroT**

I think this one episode may have had more boobs than all of GoT so far combined.

**adamsouza**

It was kind of funny that there was an orgy involving dozens, if not hundreds, of extras, and none of it really had anything to do with the main characters or story.

**Ahtman**

Mr Morden wrote:
Ahtman wrote:
So much nudity. I think there may have been a story as well, but not sure.

Have you watched Sparticus

I started to but then never got back to it. I hear it was both good and gratuitous, which means mandatory viewing!

**Mr Morden**

Ahtman wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:
Ahtman wrote:
So much nudity. I think there may have been a story as well, but not sure.

Have you watched Sparticus

I started to but then never got back to it. I hear it was both good and gratuitous, which means mandatory viewing!

It is extremely well written with geat acting, plot and style - it also has huge amounts of nudity, sex and violence - but then thats in keeping with the subject matter. It does make stuff like Westworld and GoT look tame.

**reds8n**

http://io9.gizmodo.com/you-can-now-own-some-of-westworlds-old-timey-music-cove-1788458167?rev=1478030763297&utm_campaign=socialflow_gizmodo_facebook&utm_source=gizmodo_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

Djawadi’s arrangements for Westworld. Others—hereafter known as the wrong ones—do not. Here’s what I know: there are only five tracks on the just-released Westworld soundtrack, and I will be listening to them on repeat for days.

You can buy the Westworld theme and four covers on iTunes for $4.99 or listen to the album streaming on Spotify. The four other tracks are Djawadi’s versions of “Black Hole Sun,” “Paint It, Black,” by the Rolling Stones, “No Surprises” by Radiohead, and “A Forest” by the Cure.

I maintain that the “Paint It, Black” scene in Westworld is the exact moment the show snapped into place. It used the song, the Western setting, the old timey instrumental, and visual cues right out of a video game and synthesized it all. That’s when the show went from pretty with some interesting questions to something that was fun to watch. And also, because it’s Westworld, it then made me feel bad for wanting more awesome action and less thinky thoughts.

Below is the music. It should make anything you do in the next 15 minutes much more epic.

**Thraxas Of Turai**

I am really enjoying this show, I thought that episode 5 really picked it up a notch. There is some superb acting and the production values seem insane, for example way better than the recent Magnificent Seven movie .

And that version of "A Forest" is sublime

**cuda1179**

I was actually surprised by how much violence the hosts can inflict on the guests while they are that far away from Sweetwater. The one cocky guest (I forget his name) throws his pistol on the table to intimidate a host, and gets a sucker punch in return. I'm pretty sure he didn't think it would happen. Later on he gets a full-scale back alley beat down.

If hosts can do that kind of physical harm there, what are they allowed to do even farther out? Is it possible that live ammunition could be used in the most extreme corner of the park?

**treslibras**

cuda1179 wrote:
A few things I noticed. Since the robots (at least some of them) have the ability to self-override programming and use weapons they were intentionally forbidden to use, does that mean that some weapons like knives or clubs might become lethal to guests?

As far as I recall, there has been no hint that the blades of guests were different from the blades of the hosts. So from that point of view the answer could be yes. The Black Rider threatened you-know-who with gutting him (cool scene, btw.)

On the other hand: if bullets can be "intelligent" enough to make the distinction, why should blades be any different?

**AduroT**

I'm thinking retractable knife blades.

**adamsouza**

I made the mistake of watching some Youtube videos about fan theories, and now I can't unsee what I have seen.

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**Thraxas Of Turai**

The Guardian have a nice article about various Westworld fan theories:

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2016/oct/30/westworld-wild-fan-theories-about-sci-fi-tv-series

Read at your own risk.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

my theory is sort of like lost the really haven't decided what the heck is going on athough they'll do doubt have some sort of semi reveal at the end of the season,

why go in with a long range plan when fans may well come up with a much cooler idea, this way you can pick the one you like and run with it

**gorgon**

Oh, I don't think it is or will be anywhere near as sloppy as Lost. Given the writers involved, I think they have a clear plan that they've been executing.

**Necros**

I dunno lately I'm starting to think there's no big mystery and everything is happening as you see it. I think other shows and movies have conditioned us to expect them. There's no 6th sense twist or matrix people or smoke monsters, just lots of different backstories intertwining. Hopkins being loopy and thinking he's RoboGod. Harris is the kid who's been playing WOW nonstop for 12 years. Dolores is the driod who's learning how to feel. Etc.

**gorgon**

Spinning wild theories has become a real thing with fans. Remember that "Joker is a former Robin" thing that people were spinning into pages and pages of content? I think people are doing this now with any genre show.

Now, I think there are clearly a few mysteries going on in WW...the maze, the Orion/transmitter thread, etc. But yes, people should probably try not to lose sight of the show itself while trying to unravel - or invent - secrets.

**ScootyPuffJunior**

adamsouza wrote:

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The theory is that we are watching 2 storys happening 30 years apart, showing one guests first and last trip to the park.

Yes-

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In the meantime, here's a pretty good story on various Westworld theories (with spoilers through episode five).