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Thraxas Of Turai wrote: I am really liking forward to the final episode of the series. I thought that episode nine brought together a lot of threads but there are still a lot of questions to be answered.
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Will that terrible acting Brit meet an appropriately grizzly end?
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Oh, oh, yes absolutely, that needs to happen. Slowly skinned alive by his own grotesquely stereotypically-written Native American hosts. By falling drunk into a horse trough he just pissed in while monologuing and drowning. Or even better, just casually dispatched with an utterly uncaring and emotionless one-handed necksnap by full-nutso-version Dolores while he whines away in one of his tantrums, with nobody even reacting or caring.
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
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"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal
Necros wrote: but then when he barged in on Dolores in the church..
In that scene they showed Delores in different outfits seeing different things. Just as Bernard has 'awoken' before and done/said the same things we may be seeing same event repeating itself at different points in time. A closed loop, as it were. She keeps getting on the edge of awareness and finds the church over and over only to be reset, though my guess is that something different is going to happen this time and it may be Maeve that is the catalyst.
problem is in the show when
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William and his friend were talking his friend mentioned the park was opened about 30 years ago by Ford and Arnold (which he mentioned no pictures of Arnold exist) and then we see the scene where Ford and the man in black meet so by the suggestions I don't think William = Man in Black. also there is the town where Maeve was only the madam for a year or two in the current timeline
right now i'm thinking there is only one timeline with flashbacks.
Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
I don't recall a scene where one of those two say that it was opened 30 years ago (others have said that though) but they did say that the park was hemorrhaging money and that their company is looking at getting involved.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Ahtman wrote: I don't recall a scene where one of those two say that it was opened 30 years ago (others have said that though) but they did say that the park was hemorrhaging money and that their company is looking at getting involved.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Logan and William never say that.
The only time there is talk about the "critical failure," it's done by characters (Bernard says it, I believe) assumed to be in the "present" timeline.
d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
You seem to be conflating fiction and documentary. They have specifically mentioned flies thus they are part of the narrative. Chekhov's Gun and all that.
I have no choice but to accept that. It is likely that we can by logical discourse well exceed the bounds of what the script writers thought of.
Gods why! He is just a minion, he isn't a villain per se, or a hero or even anything more than a background colour character and an irritating one at that. I can see the value be brings to the show, he is a fly in the ointment and a failed foil for Ford and other staff characters who have more to offer; but a choice for fav character goes beyond me. Especially with the quality of acting talent and characters on offer.
The one thing I can say for him is that he is random, and as he isn't being sacked for being random we can expect more randomness from him.
That being said one need not justify a favourite, and I have none of my own, perhaps Ford because of the gravitas Anthony Hopkins brings with every scene, perhaps Bernard, Elsie, Billy or Dolores as those are the four I do/did root for; I am uncomfortable with the MIB, but that intentional and he is awesome.
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
Ahtman wrote: I don't recall a scene where one of those two say that it was opened 30 years ago (others have said that though) but they did say that the park was hemorrhaging money and that their company is looking at getting involved.
actually it was in that scene where William's friend mentions it, furthermore the Man in Black when telling his story mentions maeve (in her old storyline) has having a spark of humanity, yet makes no mention of Delores as having a spark of humanity, and yet William has noticed it.
Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
Lots of intersting / confusing stuff - still love elements are cleverly based around our convenions in online rpgst Nice to see Taluleah Riley again
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If the horse is a robot - not sure it should be able to to try and hang the men in black?
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"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
What an absolute gak security team. Did they even fire their weapons?
"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
nice finale.. my only thing was, if there were rogue murderous robots on the rampage I think that entire place would have been totally shut down, gala event, train and all.
I liked the Marvel ending though, wasn't expecting it. If you didn't watch it yet, make sure you stay till the end of the credits
The Samurai and the woman speaking Chinese over the intercom hint that there is something more than just the area we have seen. When asked what the place was Felix said "It's complicated".
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Ahtman wrote: The Samurai and the woman speaking Chinese over the intercom hint that there is something more than just the area we have seen. When asked what the place was Felix said "It's complicated".
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The Logos on the door for the Samurai area were S over W. So I assume there is a Samurai World. I hope there is a Samurai world.
I really really liked the finale. I have some theories on the Maeve scenes.
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According to Bernard, somebody had changed her storyline to what is currently happening, so she was following a path set out for her. I assume that the person(Ford, I assume) who changed her storyline would have put Hosts in key positions, such as security, to ensure she escapes. That is, I assume, why the security team didn't fire more bullets or look behind them when entering a room.
Also, I liked at the end where she made a conscious decision to abandon the storyline written for her and find her daughter. I think this might be her way of finding the maze and I think that Ford had been working on her like Arnold was working on Dolores.
Just my theories at the moment.
Looking back on the season, there was a lot of foreshadowing on the big reveal. One of the main ones is Logan telling William to go black hat with him. I want to go back and rewatch it all and see how much of it I can catch.
Dreadwinter wrote: Looking back on the season, there was a lot of foreshadowing on the big reveal. One of the main ones is Logan telling William to go black hat with him. I want to go back and rewatch it all and see how much of it I can catch.
In an opinion piece I read recently, the author rebuffed all of the complaining others have been doing about how "the internet ruined the show" with the constant digging to find all the "hidden secrets" by saying that they weren't really hidden or even secrets, the writers pretty much laid everything out for anyone paying the least amount of attention to figure out. I very much agree with this idea because all of the "twists" were blatantly obvious (save for the big reveal about Ford in the finale) and that was okay because the payoff was worth it.
d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
I kinda hope we'll get to see more other worlds in future seasons. Or what if... season 2 won't be Westworld, it will be Samauri World, and each season will be set in a different world, but continuing the internal stories that go on behind the scenes. Could even use a lot of the same actors, since they're robots and copies could be used in different parks?
Necros wrote: I kinda hope we'll get to see more other worlds in future seasons. Or what if... season 2 won't be Westworld, it will be Samauri World, and each season will be set in a different world, but continuing the internal stories that go on behind the scenes. Could even use a lot of the same actors, since they're robots and copies could be used in different parks?
so HBO's version of American Horror Story.
Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Well, I was pretty happy with it. I wasn't sure how they've leave it open for season 2 since things seemed headed toward an apocalyptic ending, but they managed to do both.
Looking back at the season overall, I really enjoyed that it left actual, meaningful bread crumbs for us. It was more like a traditional mystery story than a new-fangled "revelations" story where they barrage you with meaningless information for Reddit users to spin their wheels over, but nothing ultimately ties together, and the conclusion comes from out of nowhere.
The show really rewarded those who played close attention to the dialogue. If anyone decides to give it a second watch, I recommend watching it with subtitles on. I think it was the MiB's discussion with Charlotte in the park that really got me thinking that Maeve wasn't operating as independently as she thought.
And Maeve's decision was an interesting twist. Her arrival in the world of humanity might have ultimately been disastrous for humans, yet it was her very human emotions that led her to rebel against her programming and return to the park. And now, in interesting reversal of some discussion we had earlier, it's looking like Maeve is the more reasonable one of the two fully awakened hosts. Wyatt-Dolores is kind of a monster.
Lots I could talk about, but I'd rather not turn this post into a novel.
Oh...I did want to add that the music throughout the season was top-notch, and very specifically chosen. As a Radiohead fan, I easily picked up on this ep using 'Exit Music for a Film' at the end. 'Fake Plastic Trees' was also heard earlier in the season.
Necros wrote: I kinda hope we'll get to see more other worlds in future seasons. Or what if... season 2 won't be Westworld, it will be Samauri World, and each season will be set in a different world, but continuing the internal stories that go on behind the scenes. Could even use a lot of the same actors, since they're robots and copies could be used in different parks?
Well, the paper says "Park 1" we do not know where or what park 1 is. For all we know, Westworld was the first park to use the new types of hosts.
I also never call an ending out that easily, but it was awesome that I did.
nels1031 wrote: What an absolute gak security team. Did they even fire their weapons?
The finale was good, but Maeve's storyline was one that bugged me the most. It just seemed so implausible, and jeez, that security team was seriously lame. They literally just walked up to the hosts, who are carrying modern nasty firearms and have been firing them so everyone can hear... And let themselves get shot. From her awakening and convincing Felix to help her, all the way to the firefight filled escape, I felt her story was the weakest of the lot. I wish they'd just spent a little more time to tighten it up some.
Really curious to hear where they go with this. Apparently, they've got something like five more seasons planned. Can they really keep it interesting for five seasons? I'll definitely be along for the ride for a while.
ScootyPuffJunior wrote:In an opinion piece I read recently, the author rebuffed all of the complaining others have been doing about how "the internet ruined the show" with the constant digging to find all the "hidden secrets" by saying that they weren't really hidden or even secrets, the writers pretty much laid everything out for anyone paying the least amount of attention to figure out.
I blame Lost. The people who are trying to reproduce that experience would do well to remember that Lost swiftly became incomprehensible gibberish.
nels1031 wrote:What an absolute gak security team. Did they even fire their weapons?
That really, really bothered me. As the episode went on they got more and more dramatic. By the end, they were literally screaming "freeze" at a woman (covered in the blood of all the previous officers) hacking her arm off so she could come kill them as well. At first, I accepted that maybe the hosts are expensive so they are hesitant to damage them, but as it went on and on it became so absurd as to break immersion in the show.
Ahtman wrote:The Samurai and the woman speaking Chinese over the intercom hint that there is something more than just the area we have seen. When asked what the place was Felix said "It's complicated".
I'm not sure if this already got discussed or not because I'm only sort of following this thread, but in the original Westworld movie, the Western setting was only a part of the overall park: it also had a medieval setting and I think an ancient roman one (I saw it awhile ago so I might be misremembering).
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That really, really bothered me. As the episode went on they got more and more dramatic. By the end, they were literally screaming "freeze" at a woman (covered in the blood of all the previous officers) hacking her arm off so she could come kill them as well. At first, I accepted that maybe the hosts are expensive so they are hesitant to damage them, but as it went on and on it became so absurd as to break immersion in the show.
Pretty much how I took it as well. Would've been so much cooler if it was a harder fight to get out. All that talk of needing an army and such and Maeve just walks right out. A few more host recruits to be sacrificed in a storm of gunfire or just harder gunfighting would've done wonders to notch up the tension.
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"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
5000pts 
6000pts 
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t Nice to see Taluleah Riley again
