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What are your hopes for some units with the new FW indices being released?

Having recently finished a Gargantuan Squiggoth I hope the big guy gets lots of love so he can stomp on stuff.

Would like if some of the flyer stuff got changes/tweaks to their rules too - Eldar Nightwings, Chaos flyers, Xiphon etc (some need buffs, some need nerfs).

Is the IG Griffon totally gone btw? I still have my old 2nd ed one around.

Honestly I think the biggest hope is that no models that are currently sold are dropped. That's got to be the biggest and most important hope.


I think most expect to see anything that isn't currently sold to be lost/moved to legends.


After that I'd say the next biggest is to have FW stuff that is comparable to central 40K still and which is balanced and fun to use so that you've a reason to put it on the table and not feel like you're taking a "nerf" in doing so (assuming you put it into a proper list that compliments it rather than just random models of course).

How about a workable ruleset for:

R&H, DKoK, Corsairs.

Actual rework on most vehicles.

Good grot tanks!!!!

T1nk4bell wrote:
Good grot tanks!!!!

That would probably lead to me investing in some of them just for the fun of it in a small spearhead with an Mek HQ .

Not Online!!! wrote:
How about a workable ruleset for:

R&H, DKoK, Corsairs.

Actual rework on most vehicles.

My instincts tell me these will probably just become factions/traits of IG/eldar sort term.

One thing I hope for is for the Macharius and Malcador tanks to be made into real alternatives for Leman Russ and Baneblade. My dream would be that both would bring some kind of tactical gimmick instead of just intermediate firepower for intermediate price. Like a command Macharius or something like that.

I hope for pts price drops of shadow specters. I think they are cool with rules mostly spot on but just too pricey.

Irylthi phoenix lord.. this guy just needs a serious pts reduction and some sort of invuln like all other PL models.

A change in the wraithseer loadout options allowing him to have two shoulder mounted heavy weapons as he can be modelled with two, just like the wraithlord... hopefuly not too much of a pts hike. Alternatively give him the same character protection SM dreads enjoy.

I know it ain't going to happen, but getting Tyrants Legion back would be nice.

Yes it wasn't the best most OP thing evah, and yes it can be easily recreated by just playing guard and marines or r&h and csm together but still, it was nice thematic piece of fluff translated to the tabletop for us to experience.

Rather have more armies like it than SM 2.0.

I said this before. I would like to see the introduction of new subfactions for everyone. Anphelion Hive fleet. REd Scorpions. Maynarkh Dynasty.

Get faction specific WL trait, stratagems, relic, faction traits, etc etc...

Chaos FW units have a lot of options that aren't for sale actually, I hope these don't get erased. Also bringing FW units on the Level of GW units, as most of them missed 3 rounds of points adjustments. Many of the FW units also have rules that are unique, but don't really add to the game, like some vehicles having pistol weapons, or -1AP on a 6. A little bit of streamlining for these to bring them on par with their Codizes would be nice.

Its done by the GW rules team, i have no hopes. It will be as bad as any GW codex.

 p5freak wrote:
Its done by the GW rules team, i have no hopes. It will be as bad as any GW codex.

Considering that many lament the increased (perceived or actual) imbalance of FW models then, in theory, the GW rules team will "do better". So its actually an improvement if you consider GW and FW rules writing to be bottom of the barrel already.

Which means that, in theory, you should be happy.

Ohh yeah. Smite for the wraithseer woukd be nice lol.

I almost don't want to see the Wraithseer take two heavy weapons if just because that moves it closer to just being a weapons platform instead of a marked different kind of wraithlord model. Wraithlords already take two heavy weapons, let them have the option of being a gun platform whilst the seer holds its own unique role.

The role of a slightly more durable platform but with less dakka?

Its unique in that it has psychic and is a HQ slot. It already can take a d canmon. I see no reason why it couldint take two bright lances.

Anyway the more important thing imo is it gives buffs to wraiths and better psychic. I would like it have its current psychic powers turn to auras as well as get acess to smite and maybe runes of fate. Hes essentialy a necromancered farseer..

Im fairly certain it will drop the wraithcanon as it currently doesnt come with the kit.

 Overread wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
Its done by the GW rules team, i have no hopes. It will be as bad as any GW codex.

Considering that many lament the increased (perceived or actual) imbalance of FW models then, in theory, the GW rules team will "do better". So its actually an improvement if you consider GW and FW rules writing to be bottom of the barrel already.

Which means that, in theory, you should be happy.

When rules are made by team who have vested interest in making sure these don't sell to gamers expecting them to actually be useful is optimistic. You are depending on them being incompetent enough to not nerf them to death.

 Overread wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
Its done by the GW rules team, i have no hopes. It will be as bad as any GW codex.

Considering that many lament the increased (perceived or actual) imbalance of FW models then, in theory, the GW rules team will "do better". So its actually an improvement if you consider GW and FW rules writing to be bottom of the barrel already.

Which means that, in theory, you should be happy.

Right, it will be one inch above bottom of the barrel

I'd love for my Hierodules to be cheaper, and somewhat more durable (make 'em T9 with 28-30 wounds or something - be bold!). And put the Malanthrope down to sub-90 points. The sudden 30 point increase he got is insane. Either that or push his bubble out to 6".

I only have 1, Playable army for Corsairs

Most FW ork stuff being made useable would be great. I like the mecha dread for instance but you’d be crazy to field one over a mork or gork. And those aren’t even good.

Only thing I’ve gotten use of is the big trakk with super flamer. It’s the best even if it’s overcosted.

Tyranids - get the super heavies to a somewhat playable standard. They shouldn't be amazing, but right now they're just sad.

Marines - I know, we dont deserve it, but I'd love so much for a few more of the HH options to get 40k rules. As a DA player, the plasma flame guys and the new Terminators especially.

TSons - Osiron Dread, 40k rules please. If any army should have psychic dreadnoughts, its TSons!

Its very obvious that all the old marine stuff is on its way out to be replaced by primaris. 30k options getting updates is a massive waste of time.

I would love some of the army specific 30k units get rules making them usable in 40k. Some Osiron dreadnaughts and Castellax-Achea Battle Automata would be nice!

 Lance845 wrote:
Its very obvious that all the old marine stuff is on its way out to be replaced by primaris. 30k options getting updates is a massive waste of time.

Not for csm it isn't.

On that note: fixing the points on the hellforged super heavys. A fellblade isn't worth more than two baneblades, for the billionth time .

Give dreadclaws a form of the loyalist marines drop pod rule that lets them ignore the tactical reserve rules. No reason our drop pods should be inferior.

Bringing r&h, dkok, and all the other fw armies up to the level of other 8th edition armies. Strategems, warlord traits, etc. And new rules for Carcharadons would be nice.

 Lance845 wrote:
Its very obvious that all the old marine stuff is on its way out to be replaced by primaris. 30k options getting updates is a massive waste of time.

It's not happening overnight. If it helps sell extra 30k kits it probably is worth their time.

 Stux wrote:
TSons - Osiron Dread, 40k rules please. If any army should have psychic dreadnoughts, its TSons!

The only issue with this is that GW changed TS Dreadnought fluff and they don't actually contain Sons anymore.


Also, I kind of hope R&H don't get an update and instead we get a full Traitoris Militarum book.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Stux wrote:
TSons - Osiron Dread, 40k rules please. If any army should have psychic dreadnoughts, its TSons!

The only issue with this is that GW changed TS Dreadnought fluff and they don't actually contain Sons anymore.


Also, I kind of hope R&H don't get an update and instead we get a full Traitoris Militarum book.

A sorcerer must get mortally wounded from time to time still surely?

Nothing a single line of new lore couldn't fix anyway!

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Stux wrote:
TSons - Osiron Dread, 40k rules please. If any army should have psychic dreadnoughts, its TSons!

The only issue with this is that GW changed TS Dreadnought fluff and they don't actually contain Sons anymore.


Also, I kind of hope R&H don't get an update and instead we get a full Traitoris Militarum book.

Why would you prefer a Traitor Guard codex to updating r&h? Honest question.

My biggest desire?

I want my DKoK to be priced equally with their codex Counterparts. In literally every edition of the game, all of their units have been both more points than their codex equivalents (e.g. Infantry Squads are always 1ppm more for DKoK, pretty much always have been going back to 4th) and usually have fewer capabilities and options to boot (wooo WS3+ in exchange for no option to take heavy weapons in Infantry Squads, no option for quad specials in max sized Grenadier squad the way Scions get and no Deep Strike option, etc).

Likewise, I'd like my Hades Breaching Drill to actually be able to be paired with the unit they were released to be paired with, DKoK Engineers, which currently don't have the option to actually take one because whoever wrote the index books was dumb.

Just...make the DKoK able to operate on par with even a mediocre Codex list, not just be outright worse in every way as has generally been the case since the release of IA5 in 2006 under 4th edition.