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I'll be using my 90-odd Mantic Plague Zombies for Pox Walkers. They lack the cool grin but look great as a horde.

 Deadshot wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Shooter wrote:

Fluff wise, I guess there is little reason for Primaris to be different between different chapters, as they all have the same geneseed and none of the chapter-specific 'biologies', I think? Which also helps GW as they don't need to do chapter-specific models, you wouldn't expect wolf pelts on SW Primaris marines, or extra wings all over the place for DA ones.

Though yes, I expect there will be some CCW ones. Not making the best use of the 2 attacks without them.

The Primaris Marines don't all have the same gene seed. They were made using the gene seed stores that the Ad Mech had available to them(probably the stuff that gets tithed to them). There is just additional genetic modification done beyond that point. There was talk of extra organs being grown. But ultimately, the Dark Angels will receive Primaris Marines that are derived from their own gene stock, same with Space Wolves, Blood Angels, and so on. They are generically equipped at this time, but once they reach their Chapters (and those Chapters start modifying existing Marines using the updated process), Chapter specific variations will start to arise.

They'll run into problems though with the Space Wolves, as Space Wolf geneseed only works with Fenrisians. Unless Guilliman patched this issue, but why would he, because giving the Space Wolves the ability to have successors would just lead to more and more Codex Divergent chapters.

Primaris Marines are already a breach of the Codex in the first place. And besides, desperate times call for desperate measures. Remember, he put up with their divergence after the Heresy as well. And seeing that the Wolves were fully capable, steadfast protectors of the Imperium that were very resistant to turning to Chaos, Guiliman probably saw fit to ensure that successful Primaris Space Wolves were created. Additionally, since the majority of the Primaris Marines at this point are vat-grown, Cawl could have bypassed the defect during the creation process.

 xttz wrote:

zamerion wrote:

I hope they will realease multipose poxwalkers.

Please GW.

Well the Deathwatch game had monopose Hybrids that were later released as a new multi-pose kit, so I wouldn't rule it out.

It wasn't a start set though, and technically it was a stand-alone box game (with models that "just so happened" to be in the same scale, detail and design as the regular models as opposed to Space Hulk). They also weren't released as monopose, Killteam Cassius is a set of 11 unique character models, where the Deathwatch Veterans is capable of building similar models, they can't make multipart duplicates of the Overkill models.

So are we thinking no Primaris Wulfen, or for that matter, Death Company?

 Nostromodamus wrote:
So are we thinking no Primaris Wulfen, or for that matter, Death Company?

I believe Primaris Death Company were hinted at somewhere. Perhaps the process that allows vat-grown Primaris Space Wolves to exist reduced the likelihood of them going Wulfen.

 Nostromodamus wrote:
So are we thinking no Primaris Wulfen, or for that matter, Death Company?

I see nothing that would prevent Death Company Primaris.

Unless they'd maybe specifically also (successfully) incorporate whatever the Adeptus Terra (?) was trying to do with the BA-Geneseed (from regular BA successor geneseed tithe send to Terra anyhow by all Chapters for 10.000 years, unless they went Huron) when they made the Lamenters in M36 as they make BA-Geneseed-based Primaris Marines?

Wulfen probably not. Not least because I don't think they'll do a second Wulfen kit anytime soon and they are different enough (and larger than normal Marines) to be their own thing anyhow.

But it might be they do some new Space Wolves Primaris-based kit once a full new SW release comes around. "Better-contained-Curse-while-still-being-Primaris-power-armoured-instead-of-black-carapace-nacked" might be an excuse for a slightly more extravagant Primaris Wolves kit.

 Nostromodamus wrote:
So are we thinking no Primaris Wulfen, or for that matter, Death Company?

How? BA are royally fethed because they are on the other side of the Rift, completely isolated from Guilliman. Unless he and Crawl are using stored BA's gene-seed, creating his own "Primaris BA legion" so he can deliver to them and their successors Chapters (once they eventually manage to reach them), I don't see Primaris BA for the time being.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Shooter wrote:

Fluff wise, I guess there is little reason for Primaris to be different between different chapters, as they all have the same geneseed and none of the chapter-specific 'biologies', I think? Which also helps GW as they don't need to do chapter-specific models, you wouldn't expect wolf pelts on SW Primaris marines, or extra wings all over the place for DA ones.

Though yes, I expect there will be some CCW ones. Not making the best use of the 2 attacks without them.

The Primaris Marines don't all have the same gene seed. They were made using the gene seed stores that the Ad Mech had available to them(probably the stuff that gets tithed to them). There is just additional genetic modification done beyond that point. There was talk of extra organs being grown. But ultimately, the Dark Angels will receive Primaris Marines that are derived from their own gene stock, same with Space Wolves, Blood Angels, and so on. They are generically equipped at this time, but once they reach their Chapters (and those Chapters start modifying existing Marines using the updated process), Chapter specific variations will start to arise.

Lord Commander Guilliman: Belisarius Cawl, why the feth did you implant the primaris marines with VI Legion geneseed?

Archmagos Dominus Cawl: Space Wolves geneseed.

Lord Commander Guilliman: Whatever.  They nearly destroyed Mars.  You endangered the lives of all of your fellow techpriests.

Second Captain Sicarius: And Ultramarines too!

Chief Librarian Tigurius: Shut up Cato.

Lord Commander Guilliman: I want answers.

Archmagos Dominus Cawl: Well it kinda goes like this Guilliman.  I mean, this batch of primaris marines was supposed to be reinforcements for Fenris, the homeworld of the Space Wolves, right?

Lord Commander Guilliman: Continue.

Archmagos Dominus Cawl: And Space Wolves all have geneseed from Leman Russ, primarch of the VI Legion, right?

Lord Commander Guilliman: Affirmative.

Archmagos Dominus Cawl: So the primaris marines are just like real Space Wolves.

Lord Commander Guilliman: Explain.

Archmagos Dominus Cawl: They have Space Wolves geneseed.

Lord Commander Guilliman: That's the most slowed thing I've ever heard.

Archmagos Dominus Cawl: What, I wanted them to be authentic!

Lord Commander Guilliman: Throne of Terra... no wonder none of your gak ever works.

Inquisitor Greyfax: Hey Cawl, I bet real Space Wolves are 12 feet tall too!  Ehehehehe...

Archmagos Dominus Cawl: feth you Greyfax.

Lord Commander Guilliman: Cawl, I'm holding you responsible for this project.

Inquisitor Greyfax: Haha!

Lord Commander Guilliman: It was your idea to create giant mutant space marine werewolves and then not give them enough brains to tell their head from their ass.  What the feth were you thinking, Cawl?  I mean you've made some stupid inventions before, but this one takes the cake.

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
So are we thinking no Primaris Wulfen, or for that matter, Death Company?

How? BA are royally fethed because they are on the other side of the Rift, completely isolated from Guilliman. Unless he and Crawl are using stored BA's gene-seed, creating his own "Primaris BA legion" so he can deliver to them and their successors Chapters (once they eventually manage to reach them), I don't see Primaris BA for the time being.

A. There're huge stockpiles of all loyal (and possibly some Traitor?) geneseeds on Terra. It's called the tithe.

B. Baal is on the other side of the rift, but Chapters tend to be all over the galaxy. Surely parts even of the basic Blood Angels (as well as plenty of BA successors) were caught on the Terra-side of the rift and might get Primaris more easily).

C. The entire starter box is called "Dark Imperium", referencing the far side of the Rift. Seems like Guilliman is getting there sooner rather than later.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
So are we thinking no Primaris Wulfen, or for that matter, Death Company?

I believe Primaris Death Company were hinted at somewhere. Perhaps the process that allows vat-grown Primaris Space Wolves to exist reduced the likelihood of them going Wulfen.

Yeah they heavily, almost outright confirmed that Red Thirst carries across to the Primaris Marines, so it'd back sense that the Black Rage would too (unless, of course, they bring Sanguinius back or whatever. See, he really is Space Jesus Waow).

I believe Primaris Death Company were hinted at somewhere. Perhaps the process that allows vat-grown Primaris Space Wolves to exist reduced the likelihood of them going Wulfen.

It would be nice if Cawl was able to duplicate Thar Hraldir's research and remove the flaw in the Canis Helix. I always thought space vikings were cool, space wulf wulfy mcwulfen wulfbrothers with wulfclaws were lame. In fact I think 40k could do with a lot less of the 'pick a word apply it to everything in the codex'.

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
So are we thinking no Primaris Wulfen, or for that matter, Death Company?

How? BA are royally fethed because they are on the other side of the Rift, completely isolated from Guilliman. Unless he and Crawl are using stored BA's gene-seed, creating his own "Primaris BA legion" so he can deliver to them and their successors Chapters (once they eventually manage to reach them), I don't see Primaris BA for the time being.

It's almost like the Ad Mech doesn't have huge stores of Space Marine geneseed. Probably for the express purpose of making more marines. My theory is that the Geneseed tithe was actually to fuel Cawl's Primaris Marine Project in the first place.

Wonderwolf wrote:

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
So are we thinking no Primaris Wulfen, or for that matter, Death Company?

How? BA are royally fethed because they are on the other side of the Rift, completely isolated from Guilliman. Unless he and Crawl are using stored BA's gene-seed, creating his own "Primaris BA legion" so he can deliver to them and their successors Chapters (once they eventually manage to reach them), I don't see Primaris BA for the time being.

A. There're huge stockpiles of all loyal (and possibly some Traitor?) geneseeds on Terra. It's called the tithe.

B. Baal is on the other side of the rift, but Chapters tend to be all over the galaxy. Surely parts even of the basic Blood Angels (as well as plenty of BA successors) were caught on the Terra-side of the rift and might get Primaris more easily).

C. The entire starter box is called "Dark Imperium", referencing the far side of the Rift. Seems like Guilliman is getting there sooner rather than later.

A. Yes, but there's no guarantee they are using gene-seed of all chapters. Specially from ones they can't contact. They are giving primaris marines to existing chapters as reenforcements, if they can't contact BAs... why make them? We'll see what they write.

B. Agreed, but remember, by the time the Gathering Storm was happening, Baal was going to be hit by Hive Fleet Leviathan. I do not recall for certain, but I think all companies were asked to return to Baal to help defend the home-planet.

C. True!

Justyn wrote:

I believe Primaris Death Company were hinted at somewhere. Perhaps the process that allows vat-grown Primaris Space Wolves to exist reduced the likelihood of them going Wulfen.

It would be nice if Cawl was able to duplicate Thar Hraldir's research and remove the flaw in the Canis Helix. I always thought space vikings were cool, space wulf wulfy mcwulfen wulfbrothers with wulfclaws were lame. In fact I think 40k could do with a lot less of the 'pick a word apply it to everything in the codex'.

That would be awesome. Make the Wolves less Wolfy. 1d4chan Bjorn would be thrilled. I think If they went back to the styling of the Burning of Prospero Space Wolves, I would like them a lot more. Throw some runes on their armor, call it good.

Justyn wrote:
In fact I think 40k could do with a lot less of the 'pick a word apply it to everything in the codex'.

Well, they are using the key word system now

I'm assuming all Space Wolves will have the key word "wolfy mcwolfface".

 TheDraconicLord wrote:


A. Yes, but there's no guarantee they are using gene-seed of all chapters. Specially from ones they can't contact. They are giving primaris marines to existing chapters as reenforcements, if they can't contact BAs... why make them? We'll see what they write.

True. But neither is there any indication on why they wouldn't use any and all as they did with all previous foundings of Chapters. It's not like the BA Chapter Master had a say or a veto in the creation of Lamenters or Flesh Tearers or little Timmy's Blood Ninja-Master-Killaz or whatever.

Don't like it Dante? Tough luck.

And it could be just as reasonable to assume that they start the Primaris with the geneseed that's comparatively useless/more flawed anyhow (Space Wolves, BA, etc..) and keep the good stuff (i.e. Ultramarines) safe for regular Marines (because it still works) until they are sure there are no drawbacks.

Ultramarines-stock Primaris could just as likely be the rarest Primaris, at least initially, if the writers felt like this would be the way to go (unlikely, but nothing we know thus far seems to favour any particular outcome).

In spite of its flaws, BA Geneseed is incredibly stable and fairly resistant to corruption (are there even any BA derived Chaos Space Marines the way there are UM?). If anything, it and Imperial Fist Geneseed (which is also very stable) would have been the ideal Geneseeds to work with.

C. The entire starter box is called "Dark Imperium", referencing the far side of the Rift. Seems like Guilliman is getting there sooner rather than later.

Well I believe they are picking the timeline back up years later.

I'm assuming all Space Wolves will have the key word "wolfy mcwolfface".

I mean this in the nicest way possible: Frack you!

That would be awesome. Make the Wolves less Wolfy. 1d4chan Bjorn would be thrilled. I think If they went back to the styling of the Burning of Prospero Space Wolves, I would like them a lot more. Throw some runes on their armor, call it good.

I'd be onboard with that pretty quick too.

I thought the box set was based on the Death Guard invading Ultramar, which the fluff book on release is about.

Justyn wrote:

Well I believe they are picking the timeline back up years later.

If so, that would give them even more time to add a paragraph along the lines of ... "the first ships of BA Primaris arrived on Baal, despite heavy losses crossing the rift-thing, and while Dante was initially less than thrilled, they soon proved their worth at the battle of "random-Tyranid-massive-battle-near-Baal" where they turned the tide of the battle. Since then, the Primaris have become a valued part of the BA chapter. Unfortunatley, it soon became apparent that not even the Primaris were save from the Chapter's dark curse ..... "

Wonderwolf wrote:

Justyn wrote:

Well I believe they are picking the timeline back up years later.

If so, that would give them even more time to add a paragraph along the lines of ... "the first ships of BA Primaris arrived on Baal, despite heavy losses crossing the rift-thing, and while Dante was initially less than thrilled, they soon proved their worth at the battle of "random-Tyranid-massive-battle-near-Baal" where they turned the tide of the battle. Since then, the Primaris have become a valued part of the BA chapter. Unfortunatley, it soon became apparent that not even the Primaris were save from the Chapter's dark curse ..... "

I would be more than happy with the rulebook containing such snippets to justify Primaris Marines for all the big chapters. BL's writers will have a field day with all the new events to make books of.

So today is Orks faction focus. What will be your thoughts.

Lord Kragan wrote:
So today is Orks faction focus. What will be your thoughts.

Can't get any further down then normal, only place left is up!

Lord Kragan wrote:
So today is Orks faction focus. What will be your thoughts.

Doom is upon us. The skies shall weep blood, and the world itself will cry out.

Lord Kragan wrote:
So today is Orks faction focus. What will be your thoughts.

Need more dakka.

Lord Kragan wrote:
So today is Orks faction focus. What will be your thoughts.

Dormant Brain Boyz gene in Snotlings will awaken and new Snotling-led united Ork empire will form. "Primerriz" Orks will spawn. They will be OP in 8th.

A thought on primaris marines.

The Iron hands probably will like them a lot, they are made with the help of a Magos, whom they respect. And they are all about enhancing themselves.

Upcoming Orks faction focus. Hoping a warboss will be a lot 'arder, 3 wounds is not especially tough in this edition with all the multiwound weapons, last edition they had t5 which was enough to avoid instadeath by most weapons. Mob rule needs to be way better as well.

Lord Kragan wrote:
So today is Orks faction focus. What will be your thoughts.

Well we can't get any worse.

 Megaknob wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:
So today is Orks faction focus. What will be your thoughts.

Well we can't get any worse.

You still have initiative. 1. Everyone goes before you always. No saves. Ld2 and unable to use stratagems. Also, 50% increase on everything. You're welcome.

Lord Kragan wrote:

 Megaknob wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:
So today is Orks faction focus. What will be your thoughts.

Well we can't get any worse.

You still have initiative. 1. Everyone goes before you always. No saves. Ld2 and unable to use stratagems. Also, 50% increase on everything. You're welcome.

Realisticly speaking though they are the weakest faction, and I'm sure they have heard the orks crying on Facebook they must buff dem ork.