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dietrich wrote:I'm wondering if we'll see a model for the Storm Tantalus Harbinger Crow when the sixth edition SM codex comes out and the STC has spread across other chapters.

Get it right, it's the Storm Eagle Tantalus Crow Harbinger Unit Lander or (SETCHUL).

I bet it looks like a Puma.

People have been saying that the Space Hulk Blood Angels are going to get a box of their own??? is this true??

skipmcne wrote:

dietrich wrote:I'm wondering if we'll see a model for the Storm Tantalus Harbinger Crow when the sixth edition SM codex comes out and the STC has spread across other chapters.

Get it right, it's the Storm Eagle Tantalus Crow Harbinger Unit Lander or (SETCHUL).

Storm Harbinger Interceptor Tantalus would provide a better acronym............

Warboss Narznok wrote:People have been saying that the Space Hulk Blood Angels are going to get a box of their own??? is this true??

I haven't heard that yet, but that would be cool. I love those models.

Warboss Narznok wrote:People have been saying that the Space Hulk Blood Angels are going to get a box of their own??? is this true??

No.

for once i'd like to see GW stick to their guns and not release them as a reward to fans that actually were excited to get them last year and helped sell out the boxes. besides, there are tons of boxes still on the resale market and the speculators who bought tons of them are finally starting to come down with their ridiculous prices.

Just saw snippets of the new BA dex. Not the PDF verison.

It looks.... sweeet... Mephiston is a bad arse.

Are Vanguard Vets cheaper?

You mean Veteran Assault Squads? Vanguard are vanilla dex. The original Veteran Assault squads were already awesome, so if they got cheaper that would be just as awesome.

Veteran Assault Squads have been replaced with the Sanguinary Guard, Vanguard Vets, and Sternguard Vets.

Hm. That is an interesting development. Vanguard definitely need to be cheaper than the vanilla dex then, otherwise I won't take them in this codex either.

skipmcne wrote:

dietrich wrote:I'm wondering if we'll see a model for the Storm Tantalus Harbinger Crow when the sixth edition SM codex comes out and the STC has spread across other chapters.

Get it right, it's the Storm Eagle Tantalus Crow Harbinger Unit Lander or (SETCHUL).

I bet it looks like a Puma.

What, like the shoe?

FoxPhoenix135 wrote:Hm. That is an interesting development. Vanguard definitely need to be cheaper than the vanilla dex then, otherwise I won't take them in this codex either.

Yes they are cheaper by the price of 2 basic termagants... for the base squad of 5... there are some changes in the options, they don't have access to the relic blade, but have the melta pistols, mini-flamers and the Glaive Encarmine which is a master-crafted power weapon...

reds8n wrote:

Warboss Narznok wrote:People have been saying that the Space Hulk Blood Angels are going to get a box of their own??? is this true??

No.

Not a surprise there.

The weapons load outs were just all over the place, in terms of a 40K squad.

And, they got to have some reason to 'find' another pallet or two (or three, or four...) of SPACE HULK games AFTER the BA Codex is released!

Scottywan82 wrote:

skipmcne wrote:

dietrich wrote:I'm wondering if we'll see a model for the Storm Tantalus Harbinger Crow when the sixth edition SM codex comes out and the STC has spread across other chapters.

Get it right, it's the Storm Eagle Tantalus Crow Harbinger Unit Lander or (SETCHUL).

I bet it looks like a Puma.

What, like the shoe?

No it's a big cat.

Saw the book. Looks amazing.

I don't see a lot of people fielding the Sanguinary Guard in competitive play since 5 of them cost as much as a termi squad.

TH/SS guys are in fact +basic termagaunt per model to upgrade from claws.

Fast Scouting Baal's that cost as much as a Vindicator that can swap their TL assault cannons for a Flamestorm for free

The new flyer is 12/12/12 and does in fact clearly state you can carry a dread and squad. Didn't see a qualifier saying that Jump Pack marines take up 2 spots. It is a heavy support choice and costs base what a terminator squad does. It's good fit and I think you'll see one or two but since it's not able to be taken in all categories it doesn't overload the codex. Plus it is a little pricey.

Honor Guard are gonna be in every army. Unless I read something wrong the honor guard (At least the Sanguinary Initiate) give FnP and FC to any unit within 6". For not that expensive either.

Anything with a jump pack has the descent of angels special rule which re-rolls reserve rolls as well as only 1d6 Scatter.

Pretty solid codex overall. You pay for what you get but it definitely has it's own vibe and is a different beast from the other two 5th Edition SM codexes (Wolves and Reg.)

From Warseer: the Libby Dread upgrade can take wings.

Jumping Dreads.

Fear my Boxy visage.

Scarella wrote:Yes they are cheaper by the price of 2 basic termagants... for the base squad of 5... there are some changes in the options, they don't have access to the relic blade, but have the melta pistols, mini-flamers and the Glaive Encarmine which is a master-crafted power weapon...

Wait, so are each of them cheaper by that much or the base cost of the entire squad of 5? And do they come with jump packs already equipped?

Is it certain that jump infantry can embark in the Storm Raven?

I'd say yes, since they seem to have rules that let them assault after disembarking from it.

reds8n wrote:

Warboss Narznok wrote:People have been saying that the Space Hulk Blood Angels are going to get a box of their own??? is this true??

No.

But people have been saying... PEOPLE!

bhsman wrote:I'd say yes, since they seem to have rules that let them assault after disembarking from it.

Has that been confirmed in the actual dex or is has that rule only been spotted thus far in the leaked pdf?

Hulksmash wrote:Saw the book. Looks amazing.

I don't see a lot of people fielding the Sanguinary Guard in competitive play since 5 of them cost as much as a termi squad.

TH/SS guys are in fact +basic termagaunt per model to upgrade from claws.

Fast Scouting Baal's that cost as much as a Vindicator that can swap their TL assault cannons for a Flamestorm for free

The new flyer is 12/12/12 and does in fact clearly state you can carry a dread and squad. Didn't see a qualifier saying that Jump Pack marines take up 2 spots. It is a heavy support choice and costs base what a terminator squad does. It's good fit and I think you'll see one or two but since it's not able to be taken in all categories it doesn't overload the codex. Plus it is a little pricey.

Honor Guard are gonna be in every army. Unless I read something wrong the honor guard (At least the Sanguinary Initiate) give FnP and FC to any unit within 6". For not that expensive either.

Anything with a jump pack has the descent of angels special rule which re-rolls reserve rolls as well as only 1d6 Scatter.

Pretty solid codex overall. You pay for what you get but it definitely has it's own vibe and is a different beast from the other two 5th Edition SM codexes (Wolves and Reg.)

I flipped through a copy as well. The flyer definitely says a Dread AND a squad of 12 models. Also, JP marines DO take up two slots each.

The plastics are freakin' amazing. Very, very nice stuff. Lots of cool bits. Cool models. DC bits are included along with Sanquinary Guard and lots of spares. I'm seriously jazzed about expanding my BA army.

The rules are pretty much what others here have posted. Baals are Fast with Scout and are in the FA slots. The Stormraven is a HS with all the goodies people have mentioned recently. Up to 30 DC. 1 DC Dread, as Troops, per 5 DC. Lots of Elites options. Lots of characters. Mephiston is a freakin' bear. T6 W5. But NO Inv save. I'm not sure I'll be taken Dante (no new figure BTW) since the Axe Mortalis remained a measly MC Power Weapon. But he does let you take Sanguinary Guard as Troops.

Assault Squads are still troops (yay!), but there's a lot of competition in there now. There are more options for weapons for the Assault guys including inferno pistols (6" melta pistols as expected) and the flamer pistols (S3 AP6 Template). Scouts are Troops. Basically all the slots are chock full o' tasty options. Elites are quite packed as are FA with the Baals in there. No downside to OCE that I could see other than the probable cost (forgot to check that one).

LR as a Dedicated transport for Tacticals is confirmed.

Oh, there's a "Blood Lance" psychic power. Draw a 4D6" line. All enemy models are hit with a S8 AP1 Lance. There's also a "Blood Boil" power. 12" range. Target unit takes a wound with no save. If the Psyker rolls 5 or less on his test, the player chooses the model, otherwise the target player chooses. Not sure about that one. I think the "protective" power was a 5+ cover save. Meh...

Anyway, cool stuff and I wish I remembered more... I kept getting distracted by the pretty things...

Vale,

JohnS

Wow, great pic! That tells us several things already:

Smaller than a thunderhawk

Has protection against melta

It does carry two separate units (I think, kinda blurry)

No Pic

It looks like it has another special rule that begins with Assault (logically assault ramps, as stated elsewhere)




All in all, I think this looks like a rad unit. I want to know more about the ceramite plating!


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Furthermore, mephiston probably doesn't get a invul save because he has access to that power that provides all units within X inches a 5++ save.

That of course is assuming that power is not just a rumor.

Anyone out there know the weapon options of assault squads yet?

You know what else is confirmed? My purchase of a BA codex. Seriously, I dunno why they try to keep this crap under wraps.

Kind of stupid if the Stormraven isn't getting a model on the soon side.

FoxPhoenix135 wrote:Wow, great pic! That tells us several things already:

Smaller than a thunderhawk

Has protection against melta

It does carry two separate units (I think, kinda blurry)

No Pic

It looks like it has another special rule that begins with Assault (logically assault ramps, as stated elsewhere)




All in all, I think this looks like a rad unit. I want to know more about the ceramite plating!


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Furthermore, mephiston probably doesn't get a invul save because he has access to that power that provides all units within X inches a 5++ save.

That of course is assuming that power is not just a rumor.

Yes. Ceramite plating.

It does carry two units. A Dread and 12 troops. Don't know if you can see it in the picture, but that's what it said.

No pics anywhere that I could see. Certainly none in the unit entry nor in the color section. Nor in any b/w art I saw.

It has assault ramps and has some special rules (a la the Valk) about disembarking after it moved Flat Out. Don't recall all the details, but it involved Dangerous terrain tests unless the unit had jetpacks. And they CAN, as I recall, also use the "Descent of Angels" army rule (which makes BA more "accurate" on Deep Strikes).

<edit> Oh, and you cannot assault out of it on the turn it Deep Strikes (if you DS it). There are also options to upgrade the DonkeyCannon to TL Lascannon (and I think some other options as well).

Mephiston only had access to three powers as I recall. One was flight. One was something that gives a unit Preferred Enemy. Forget the last one. I wasn't really impressed with his powers, but his stat line is Da bomb. I don't recall anything about an INV save. I think it was a Cover Save instead. Like I said, "meh"...

Vale,

JohnS

Why?

Why would you continue to taunt us about how awesome the new plastics are and then post a picture of something completely different?

Masochist.

bhsman wrote:Why?

Why would you continue to taunt us about how awesome the new plastics are and then post a picture of something completely different?

Masochist.

You mean sadist.

Since the current "advance order" stuff is released on the 6th, maybe that's around when they'll update it with BA stuff.2

Look on the bright side, at least we are seeing codexes already... tyranids were horrible about rumors because of the "typing error" that delayed the release date, and kept preliminary prints out of storeowner's hands.

bhsman wrote:Why?

Why would you continue to taunt us about how awesome the new plastics are and then post a picture of something completely different?

Masochist.

To be honest, because I had a crappy cell phone camera handy, not a real one. That and the fact that I'm not 100% sure it was kosher to be taking pix. No one said I couldn't, but I didn't want to really press it... I figured with all the wrangling over the codex, proof that it's out there would help address some of the questions about "did it happen"?

Well, that and Sanguinius suffered for Horus' sins and so should you!

I'm sure pix of the sprues will make it out soon enough... They are loverly!

Vale,

JohnS