The Watcher in the Dark wrote:I agree with Morticon, it doesn't make for the most ideal situation in every game but it is a really good representation of the fluff. Plus you can't always have rules that provide advantages without having weaknesses or drawbacks otherwise every new list would indeed be the most powerful list yet as every new rule introduced serves only to be an advantage. Of course it does also make the game a bit more interesting when out of the blue those Devs you were preparing to charge with your infiltrating genestealers charge you first and do some serious damage...

Almost all BA units have RED THIRST rule. "After deployment roll d6 for each unit, any that roll a 1 exchange combat tactics for furious charge and fearless"

reds8n wrote: I don't think so the FW rumours coem from different people ..

.. and there's some crackin' FW stuff ahead ..

Redemption wrote:

Nosferatu wrote:I wonder what Raven Guard players think about BA getting Assault Squads that Re-roll reserves and don't scatter as far

That they should use their Raven Guard as counts as Blood Angels?

cerebaton wrote:Oh man, oh man, I'm going to die if I don't see some model pics soonly!

I suspect that if the Stormraven's fluff is that it's a secret/little known vehicle then it may be an updated version of the pre-Heresy Stormbird landers as depicted in the Horus Heresy novels.

Alpharius wrote:
So, I really do think that I have found a good 'counts as' codex for my Raven Guard force!

Librarian dread can take a pair of psychic powers and has the standard gear for a librarian (force weapon/psychic hood). The one dreadnought weapon that had me laughing for a bit was the magna-grapples. It's a strength 8 anti-vehicle HARPOON... I ain't kidding. It's essentially a meltagun that instead of doing melta damage, drags the target vehicle 2D6" toward the dreadnought, facing unchanged. I don't think it does anything to infantry aside from smashing them with a giant harpoon.

Sanguinary Guard shooting is... interesting. Assault 2 bolt pistols is essentially what they have. At AP4. They went wrist mounted everything on them from bolt pistols to plasma to inferno pistols. And I believe they're the ones who benefit from the Descent of Angels rule. They roll one less die for scatter.

Mephiston's Transfixing Glare is once again an innate ability, so no psychic test to kick it off. I can't remember off the top of my head how many it affects, probably only a single model or something, but they take their leadership test with a -4 modifier. Might of Heroes is gone, he's got Wings, a power to give folks with him Preferred Enemy and one other, but I'm fairly certain it wasn't Might. Can't remember if he had Furious Charge, but that's fine since he's faster than genestealers anyway.

FoxPhoenix135 wrote:So DC are being moved to troops, but as a unique slot? I wonder how they fluff-justified that... frothing mad angry marines sitting around an objective... doesn't quite ring true to me. Are we sure they are not just an elite choice that doesn't take up an elite slot?

skipmcne wrote:

Alpharius wrote:
So, I really do think that I have found a good 'counts as' codex for my Raven Guard force!

My guess, based soley on the gnashing of teeth, and rending of hair I'm hearing in the rumor mill is the New Codex is actually Codex::Alpha Legion. In which case you'll be happy either way Alpharius.

I'll have more info once I swing by my local GW again, but from what I remember, Dante doesn't scatter. Him and I believe whomever he accompanies in a deep strike simply comes down where he wants. Beyond that, I can't remember that much from his entry, to be perfectly honest, I was busy drooling at the pics in the book.

Seth has some interesting special rules in close combat. He can forgo his normal attack roll and simply auto hit everything in base to base with him once; good if he's swarmed, not so good if he's dueling. And should the opponent roll 1 to hit him, he basically kicks them with a basic CC attack.

As I recall, there's an entry for Veteran Squads, but nothing more detailed right now.

Tycho is no longer rubbish in close combat, he hits like a monstrous creature... a strength 4 monstrous creature. And rerolls a single wound. His combi-melta has access to sternguard special ammo as well.

Death Company costs are 133% of a standard marine without any gear. Jump packs bring the cost per model to the exact same as they were in the PDF. They are going to be an expensive unit... Lemartes, as mentioned above, is an upgrade character to the DC and gets stronger once wounded. He's only got 2, so that's a little dicey. Chaplains are little different from the way they were. I remember seeing an entry for the reclusiarch, so that at least implies you get them in differing strengths, and the DC get to reroll wounds as well as hits on charge with the liturgies of hate or whatever they call the rule.

The Magna-Grapples will only pull a vehicle as far as the edge of terrain or 1" away from other models. It seems to be a shooting attack since it has a statline, and range, on par with a meltagun. As far as I remember.

That should be most of what I can remember from what I saw last night, but yes, my local GW (Metrotown, if you're in the Vancouver/Burnaby, BC area) just got its black box. More as I remember/spend time reading it.

Alpharius wrote:So the "StormRaven" is definitely in, right?

Ravajaxe wrote:Hi guys,

Maybe I skimmed over the topic too fast, but if I recall correctly, all Rhino variants have "fast" rule right ? Not only Baal Predator and Rhino. If this is the new overcharged engines rule, what are the drawback for this ? I can't believe Blood Angels get this advantage for just a bunch of points increase.

Alpharius wrote:Rulebook is out of reach right now - what will "FAST" do for Blood Angel rhinos and variant now, especially if it is the Vindicator too?

Alpharius wrote:Rulebook is out of reach right now - what will "FAST" do for Blood Angel rhinos and variant now, especially if it is the Vindicator too?

The Crippler wrote:Oh my... the flyer exists. I had convinced myself it was purely the product of the interwebz speculation. If it is in the book, it simply HAS to have a model made for it. Has to. A model that I would buy this very minute if it was so offered to me.