Melissia ranks the codices/factions

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**Melissia**

I actually messed up, but when it's resized to 120x120 it's hard to tell.

edit: No, I didn't. It's an edit of an image by IronShrineMaiden.

**Lord of battles**

Melissia wrote:Seasonal avatar FTW. Since you people have been so patiently waiting, here they are on all hallowed eve... er.. .the eve of that.

2: ORKS
(a cookie for anyone who gets this reference)

Gentlemen, I like Orks. No, sirs, I love Orks! I love Burnaboyz, I love Stormboyz, I love shootaboyz, I love boomkannonz and sluggaboyz. I love watching my Boyz utterly trash anything they see, and it's even amusing when I see them break and flee. I like seeing Orks in low-terrain games, full of terrain, in Cities of Death, in Planetstrike, in Apocalypse, I love to see every kind of Ork squad in any kind of 40k game. I love blasting my enemy to smithereens with lobba salvos that thunder across the lines of battle. My heart leaps with joy whenever a transport is popped open and is cut to pieces by a swarm of angry boyz! And there is nothing like a battlewagon deffrolling enemy tanks. And the feeling when a squad runs from their wrecked transport only to be mowed down by shootaboyz is so exquisite. Like when ranks of boyz brandish their choppas, rushing into the enemy line. It moves me deeply to watch a fresh yoofs chop over and over and over into the bloated chest of a long-dead enemy. The sight of cowards being chopped up by a nob is an irresistible pleasure. When a squad of pitiful Astartes makes their final stand with nothing but plot armor, only to have their armor smashed to atoms piece by piece by simple overwhelming weight of fire, it makes me grin. I even like seeing Orks squashed under tanks after a failed Death or Glory roll. And the joy of watching my enemies flee like vermin, ducking the fightabommas that fly overhead is rarely matched. Gentlemen, all Orks ask for is war. War so grand as to make the Warp itself tremble. Gentlemen, I ask you as fellow 40k players what is it you really want. Do you wish for further war as I do? Do you wish for a merciless, bloody war? A war whose fury is built with iron and lightning and fire? Do ask for a war to sweep in like a tempest, leaving not even ravens to scavenge from this galaxy?

Then, gentlemen, you ask for Orks. I don't think I can say any more than has already been said in this thread. I love Orks. I love their playstyle, I love their fluff, I love their models. I like watching the green tide ebb and flow across the table. I like watching lots of ramshackle trukks and battlewagons charge at my forces. There's really not a single unit in the codex whose concept I don't like, even if their execution could use some work in the end the codex is one fo the best designed in the history of GW's codex designs. The only reason they're number two is because the number one codex currently is the best fifth edition codex out there

Greatest Post Ever!

Btw I read the entire post in the Majors voice

**Crazy_Carnifex**

An excellent read, M. I disagree with you on a lot of it, but with gaurd, I agree 100%. A well-deserved 1st place.

**Asherian Command**

Lord of battles wrote:
Melissia wrote:Seasonal avatar FTW. Since you people have been so patiently waiting, here they are on all hallowed eve... er.. .the eve of that.

2: ORKS
(a cookie for anyone who gets this reference)

Gentlemen, I like Orks. No, sirs, I love Orks! I love Burnaboyz, I love Stormboyz, I love shootaboyz, I love boomkannonz and sluggaboyz. I love watching my Boyz utterly trash anything they see, and it's even amusing when I see them break and flee. I like seeing Orks in low-terrain games, full of terrain, in Cities of Death, in Planetstrike, in Apocalypse, I love to see every kind of Ork squad in any kind of 40k game. I love blasting my enemy to smithereens with lobba salvos that thunder across the lines of battle. My heart leaps with joy whenever a transport is popped open and is cut to pieces by a swarm of angry boyz! And there is nothing like a battlewagon deffrolling enemy tanks. And the feeling when a squad runs from their wrecked transport only to be mowed down by shootaboyz is so exquisite. Like when ranks of boyz brandish their choppas, rushing into the enemy line. It moves me deeply to watch a fresh yoofs chop over and over and over into the bloated chest of a long-dead enemy. The sight of cowards being chopped up by a nob is an irresistible pleasure. When a squad of pitiful Astartes makes their final stand with nothing but plot armor, only to have their armor smashed to atoms piece by piece by simple overwhelming weight of fire, it makes me grin. I even like seeing Orks squashed under tanks after a failed Death or Glory roll. And the joy of watching my enemies flee like vermin, ducking the fightabommas that fly overhead is rarely matched. Gentlemen, all Orks ask for is war. War so grand as to make the Warp itself tremble. Gentlemen, I ask you as fellow 40k players what is it you really want. Do you wish for further war as I do? Do you wish for a merciless, bloody war? A war whose fury is built with iron and lightning and fire? Do ask for a war to sweep in like a tempest, leaving not even ravens to scavenge from this galaxy?

Then, gentlemen, you ask for Orks. I don't think I can say any more than has already been said in this thread. I love Orks. I love their playstyle, I love their fluff, I love their models. I like watching the green tide ebb and flow across the table. I like watching lots of ramshackle trukks and battlewagons charge at my forces. There's really not a single unit in the codex whose concept I don't like, even if their execution could use some work in the end the codex is one fo the best designed in the history of GW's codex designs. The only reason they're number two is because the number one codex currently is the best fifth edition codex out there

Greatest Post Ever!

Btw I read the entire post in the Majors voice

I read it in a Sergeant Accent from RVB

**sniperjolly**

Yeah, even though it is one gigantic Hellsing quote, I suppose that sarge could pull it off.

**Namica**

Started reading bits of the Horus Heresy novels.

I'm agreeing with you on Space Marines now. There is just nothing interesting about flawless super men who more or less are worth a hundred normal men.

It just makes their "falls" and "flaws" seem more pitiful than sad. boooooorrrrrriiiiinnnnnggggg

Still puts Grey Knights far above Space Marines on the boring map, since their fluff is all about how they have no flaws and I've never heard of one falling.

**gendoikari87**

I don't know marines are good for making gaurdsmen look good. And the gaurd novels are really cool.

**juraigamer**

Excellent listing.

Makes me wish I could fight as well as the guard with my tau... sadface.

**gendoikari87**

It's okay tau will likely be getting a new codex within the year. well a 12 month period anyway. after DE and necrons they're the oldest codex. and Necrons aren't near as ready.

**AlexHolker**

gendoikari87 wrote:It's okay tau will likely be getting a new codex within the year. well a 12 month period anyway. after DE and necrons they're the oldest codex. and Necrons aren't near as ready.

*cough*Daemonhunters*cough*Witchhunters*cough*Lostandthedamned*cough*

**ChaosGalvatron**

Enjoyed the list.
Dont disagree with too many. and its all opinion anyway.

**Melissia**

gendoikari87 wrote:It's okay tau will likely be getting a new codex within the year. well a 12 month period anyway. after DE and necrons they're the oldest codex. and Necrons aren't near as ready.

Tau are fourth edition, not third edition.

There's still four third edition codices.

**OoieGoie**

Makes me wonder how some Codices can be upgraded twice, leaving some not to be upgraded at all? What is GW smoken?

**Chongara**

OoieGoie wrote:Makes me wonder how some Codices can be upgraded twice, leaving some not to be upgraded at all?

Lots of faction bloat, limited time between editions, product identity focus, popularity etc....

**gendoikari87**

AlexHolker wrote:
gendoikari87 wrote:It's okay tau will likely be getting a new codex within the year. well a 12 month period anyway. after DE and necrons they're the oldest codex. and Necrons aren't near as ready.

*cough*Daemonhunters*cough*Witchhunters*cough*Lostandthedamned*cough*

Witch hunters are fine and daemonhunters are already in the que for a new codex so they don't count. Besides I have suspicions that even with all the "NO this will no be a combined codex" it's actually going to turn out to be a combined codex.

oh crap i forgot about black templars and their awesomeness that is the orbs of antioch!

**Devilsquid**

While it's a bit nebulous to me about which is #1 or #2, Orks and IG have always been my favorite armies in the 40K universe, so I'm glad to see them topping the list.

Unfortunately, they're also the most expensive to play, so have priced themselves out of my availbility.

**Daemon-Archon Ren**

Melissia wrote: The Grey Knights fight knowing they will not be remembered for what they do. They fight-- and win-- because they must, for the sake of all humanity.

Ahahahahahahahahahahhhahahahahahaaa!

**SaintHazard**

Crap.

I was on... er... vacation again, and missed like seven pages.

I totally would've called IG at #1, mostly because everyone and their mother expected Orks at #1, and Melissia is crafty like that.

**asimo77**

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:
Melissia wrote: The Grey Knights fight knowing they will not be remembered for what they do. They fight-- and win-- because they must, for the sake of all humanity.

Ahahahahahahahahahahhhahahahahahaaa!

Am I missing something? Why is this so funny?

**Guitardian**

OoieGoie wrote:Makes me wonder how some Codices can be upgraded twice, leaving some not to be upgraded at all? What is GW smoken?

'edition' Codex are a bit misleading. From personal experience conversation, I know GW had no plans to update 4th ed. Eldar for 5th ed. They said that the 4th ed. was meant to be used for 5th too... ("Really? so now all other armies can move as fast on foot as we can? So now our fast skimmers have to stay parked in order to use their weapons effectively? So now our psyker dominance is dwarfed by Spesh Murheensh powers for half the price and our guardians are outclassed by IG with lasguns for half the points cost? ummm?... yeah lots of thought was put into that... don't even get me started on drop pods)

We Eldar will probably get a 5th ed. right before 6th ed. comes out, just like what happened to Chaos between 4th and 5th. So we are going to be one of the last in line, while the flagship armies from the starter set (aka SM + <other&gt

or the ones who are so seriously gimped by outdatedness (poor Necrons) get priority. It kind of sucks being in the middle worse than being at the end. At least the Necrons and the DE can look foreward to having a book written for the same rules that will be used for the next couple of years. Don't like it? Play Mureensh, they always get the modernized list when new rules come out, because without them GW would go broke. Some 4th ed. codex were very powerful in 4th (my Eldar for instance), while others (Tau) were powerful in 3rd and nerfed by alll the newer 4th stuff. Guard sucked balls in 4th, but it was a brand new game once follow-up-into-close-combat was gotten rid of. Now they Bludgeon everyone. Just one rules shift and the whole army has a HUGE leg up.
Some stand the test of time better than others. Others suffer from rules ambiguities (Black Templar smoke launchers?) or just downright one-upsmanship codex creep (all SM armies proxy as Blood Angels or Space Wolves yay!). The ones that take the longest to revamp are the ones that were good despite the test of time. Nobody is playing much Necrons any more... hmmm... make them awesomer! Sell more... sell more...

**Monster Rain**

It seems to me that Eldar are doing just fine in 5th.

I'd rather play against Space Wolves or BA than against an 'Ard Eldar list with a competent general.

Yeah, yeah "Anecdotal evidence hurrrrr." Between Wave Serpent energy fields, fortune and Crack Shot I think Eldar have some cards up their sleeve.

**Eumerin**

OoieGoie wrote:Makes me wonder how some Codices can be upgraded twice, leaving some not to be upgraded at all? What is GW smoken?

For various reasons. To use WHFB Army Books as an example, Bretonians and Wood Elves both had 6th edition army books in 7th edition WHFB. But both armies did decently well (allowing for the fact that some of the 7th edition army books were ridiculously powerful). Tomb Kings (which will be the oldest book around when the Dark Eldar Codex is officially released) and Ogre Kingdoms were both 6th edition books as well... and they didn't play all that well. But neither army is very popular (which is a shame because a properly painted Tomb Kings army is absolutely gorgeous), which meant that there wasn't as much of an economic incentive for GW to redo the army books in question.

I don't know what GW intends to do with my Eldar, though I suspect that the Codex will be delayed. Personally, I think I'd prefer that the new Codex be released as the ~~first~~ second (they're not space marines, after all...) codex of 6th edition as opposed to once again being stuck for a long time with a codex that was released shortly before the new edition of the rules went through (which is our current somewhat nebulous state of things, for instance stuck with a new interpretation of Fleet of Foot that is useless for 90% of our models that have it).

**Monster Rain**

Eumerin wrote:(which is our current somewhat nebulous state of things, for instance stuck with a new interpretation of Fleet of Foot that is useless for 90% of our models that have it).

How so?

**KamikazeCanuck**

good job. I think I would even pick the same #1 and 2.
There's a good scene in one of the Gaunt's Ghosts were a guardsman remarks "The Imperial Guard always wins" and they all chuckle because its a common expression and because its true.

They may lose a battle: Hell on one planet they may lose thousands of battles over hundreds of years taking horrendous 10,000:1 causualty rates but it matters not. There's always more guard. The waves and waves of infantry never stop and the big guns never tire. After the world is a blasted, wrecked, lifeless moonscape and the enemy is crushed to death under the weight of Guardsmen corpses they will plant the Emperor Flag......and then leave, because well...that planet is useless now; but they won. The Imperial Guard always wins and they're the only faction that can claim as such.

**Eumerin**

Monster Rain wrote:
Eumerin wrote:(which is our current somewhat nebulous state of things, for instance stuck with a new interpretation of Fleet of Foot that is useless for 90% of our models that have it).

How so?

The 5th edition version of Fleet now only pertains to charging into Close Combat. Banshees get it and can use it. Scorpions don't get it (due to the latter's 3+ AS).

When was the last time that you saw a group of Guardians that actually wanted to get into close combat? Ergo, for them Fleet goes from being quite useful (its state in 4th edition) to being almost completely superfluous.

**Vaktathi**

Eumerin wrote:
Monster Rain wrote:
Eumerin wrote:(which is our current somewhat nebulous state of things, for instance stuck with a new interpretation of Fleet of Foot that is useless for 90% of our models that have it).

How so?

The 5th edition version of Fleet now only pertains to charging into Close Combat. Banshees get it and can use it. Scorpions don't get it (due to the latter's 3+ AS).

When was the last time that you saw a group of Guardians that actually wanted to get into close combat? Ergo, for them Fleet goes from being quite useful (its state in 4th edition) to being almost completely superfluous.

Storm Guardians?

**Eumerin**

Vaktathi wrote:
Eumerin wrote:
Monster Rain wrote:
Eumerin wrote:(which is our current somewhat nebulous state of things, for instance stuck with a new interpretation of Fleet of Foot that is useless for 90% of our models that have it).

How so?

The 5th edition version of Fleet now only pertains to charging into Close Combat. Banshees get it and can use it. Scorpions don't get it (due to the latter's 3+ AS).

When was the last time that you saw a group of Guardians that actually wanted to get into close combat? Ergo, for them Fleet goes from being quite useful (its state in 4th edition) to being almost completely superfluous.

Storm Guardians?

If your that desperate to get your Storm Guardians into melee combat that you're actually going to run them in order to reach the enemy, then you're probably in very, very, very desperate straits... It's generally considered that the best thing about Storm Guardians is the fact that they can take two flamers (there are much better ways to get CC Troops squads and Fusion Guns).

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Eumerin wrote:
Vaktathi wrote:
Eumerin wrote:
Monster Rain wrote:
Eumerin wrote:(which is our current somewhat nebulous state of things, for instance stuck with a new interpretation of Fleet of Foot that is useless for 90% of our models that have it).

How so?

The 5th edition version of Fleet now only pertains to charging into Close Combat. Banshees get it and can use it. Scorpions don't get it (due to the latter's 3+ AS).

When was the last time that you saw a group of Guardians that actually wanted to get into close combat? Ergo, for them Fleet goes from being quite useful (its state in 4th edition) to being almost completely superfluous.

Storm Guardians?

If you're that desperate to get your Storm Guardians into melee combat that you're actually going to run them in order to reach the enemy, then you're probably in very, very, very desperate straits... It's generally considered that the best thing about Storm Guardians is the fact that they can take two flamers (there are much better ways to get CC Troops squads and Fusion Guns).

**Asherian Command**

Melessia when do you think the Storm Raven will come out? Or do you think the Grey Knights will come out first?

**AlexHolker**

Asherian Command wrote:Melessia when do you think the Storm Raven will come out? Or do you think the Grey Knights will come out first?

There was a rumour that the Stormraven and a Furioso-style dreadnought were coming out in January as a BA 2nd wave. As much as I hate to see GW wasting time on yet another SM Dreadnought kit, they might have some GK appropriate bits on the sprue and thus kill two birds with one stone.

**-Loki-**

Man, I was actually looking at some Ork stuff today, as a possible third army when I have my Nids up and running - their new vehicles are absolutely badass.

The constant droning of 'Orks are the best' that tends to find its way into every thread has completely put me off playing them.