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 Kanluwen wrote:
That's one of the things that flustered me the most with regards to the Transauranic Arquebus. It went from being a highly situational vehicle bustin' tool...to just being "Meh".

I'd argue they're pretty good post CA. 22 points per sniper with that profile ain't bad IMO, have 4 snipers in 2 different groups just on backfield objectives and they can be quite scary for buffing characters trying to get across the field

 Haighus wrote:
Ork boyz. A grenade launcher or flamer are still probably better choices.

Maybe they need to make webbers slow the target down or something- tangle up the unit. Give them a niche outside the current orthodoxy.

Nope. S4 T4.

the_scotsman wrote:

 Haighus wrote:
Ork boyz. A grenade launcher or flamer are still probably better choices.

Maybe they need to make webbers slow the target down or something- tangle up the unit. Give them a niche outside the current orthodoxy.

Nope. S4 T4.

Eh, when did that happen? I'm guessing 8th rolled furious charge into a permanent bonus? Out of touch haha

in terms of what the unit does, basically the webber should ideally fill some kind of high-AP anti elite role, to pair with the power pick loadout on the neophyte leader. That way you've got a few different builds:

"Anti tank sappers" - Mining lasers, maybe GLs, autoguns
"Close combat anti-infantry" - banner, leader with chainsword, flamers, shotguns
"Anti-light vehicle/elite shooters" - Seismic Cannons, Grenades, autoguns
"Close range anti elite" - shotguns, and here's where you'd take webbers.

If everything were pointed appropriately you'd have a role for each option in the kit. Hence why I'd like to see its unique mechanic grant it extra AP - but maybe instead of the traditional anti-elite role of spiking in value against MEQ, it could spike in value against T5+ targets and be a monster hunter weapon you could pair with mining lasers.

the_scotsman wrote:

 Haighus wrote:
Ork boyz. A grenade launcher or flamer are still probably better choices.

Maybe they need to make webbers slow the target down or something- tangle up the unit. Give them a niche outside the current orthodoxy.

Nope. S4 T4.

Sure but when webbers were introduced in 7th ork boyz were strength 3, so I could kinda see it then. Mostly it's a reprint weapon from 2nd edition/rouge trader. Currently the only common unit I can think of is Wracks. I agree webbers kind of stink, they should have auto hit like flamers and halved/reduced charge distances or something like that.

Extra AP just seems odd for, well, a webber. Its basically intended to apprehend criminals and the like right? But repurposed for combat. So why would it be best against heavily armoured infantry?

Admech Sicarians (infiltrators or ruststalkers) are S4 T3 but if I understand webbers correctly they would need it to be the other way around for that special rule to work..

I was looking at the description of the new relics from the leaks and comparing it to the 7e Codex.

Looks like we'll be seeing the Sword of the Voids Eye, Dagger of Swift Sacrifice, and the Crouchling.

And in regards to the webber, the only unit I can think of that has higher toughness than strength is Plague Marines

Marine bikers have S4 and T5 so they are wounded on 4+ rather than 5+

Aeldari bikers have S3 and T4 so they are wounded on 3+ rather than 4+ Same goes for the soon to be released GSC bikers of course.

That is definitely not enough to make me want to ever buy the webber. I'd guess that a grenade launcher causes nearly the same nr of average wounds on those targets.

I forgot about bikes, more toughness than strength is part of their schtick huh.

I think webbers should take after the Nid Barbed Stranglers, just a smaller version of them

 Haighus wrote:
Extra AP just seems odd for, well, a webber. Its basically intended to apprehend criminals and the like right? But repurposed for combat. So why would it be best against heavily armoured infantry?

True. I think mostly I want it to be an anti-elite weapon to differentiate it from the Flamer, since they only have 3 special weapon choices it seems silly to have 2 dedicated anti-infantry and one that is optionally anti-infantry.

I suppose another concept could be "the opponent gets a chance to slice themselves out of the web as it tightens, instead of making a normal save against the attack, the target rolls a single close-combat attack and if they hit, they do not take a wound". So it works better against clumsy targets with poor weapon skill. Then just make that ability not work on vehicles.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/02/01/1st-feb-designers-notes-the-tectonic-fragdrillgw-homepage-post-2/

That's a great touch with the design allowing it be transported by a servohauler

Damn, this is cool, now I have to get a DRILL!

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
I forgot about bikes, more toughness than strength is part of their schtick huh.

I think webbers should take after the Nid Barbed Stranglers, just a smaller version of them

As Red Corsair mentioned there's also the Dark Eldar Wracks which are S3, T4/5.

Basically nothing you ever see enough of to warrent the rule making the weapon worthwhile.

Wouldn't the webber help against Death Guard and their higher Toughness?

 Orodhen wrote:
Wouldn't the webber help against Death Guard and their higher Toughness?

Theoretically yes, in practice there don't seem to be any targets the webber is better at fighting than a flamer/GL.

Krak grenade does more damage against any biker/DG because of higher str/multi-wound, flamer does more vs wracks because it autohits rather than having to roll to hit.

There are plenty of ways you could spin the webber to give it a role (heh. Spin the webber. Not intentional but I'm not changing it).

-It's a gun for kidnapping people! Make it ignore character protection, why not. Still more of a role than it currently has and kidnapper squads of neophytes would be hilarious for trolling invincible Company Commanders and Primaris Psykers and the like.

-it's a gun you need to be fast/skillful rather than tough to get out of. Make it wound based on weapon skill/move somehow.

-It's a gun good for bringing down large targets by tangling them up. Make it poisonous or poison-esque.

 Orodhen wrote:
Wouldn't the webber help against Death Guard and their higher Toughness?

Marginally. A grenade launcher with krak is probably better, though. Fewer shots (probably) but an even better chance to wound and an AP modifier as well.

Several of the GSC weapons have questionable utility (seismic) and often the classics are better or a more viable point cost.

The new codex will have an additional wrinkle on Brood Brothers, since they lack any cult bonus (and have to deal with the weapon team penalty - squishy 2w model with bad save).

An interesting point to see will be ridgerunners vs sentinels as weapon platforms. Or chimeras to be honest.

I wasn't intending on getting the drill, but seeing now that it fits onto the Servohauler carriage... I must have to have it.

This is the kind of content I want to see more of from WarCom. I love getting these little insights into the design process!

Oh wow, I love that it is compatible with the servo haulers! I already wanted two!

...does that mean we can hang a Munitorum crate from a gantry?

Ray's twitter will sooner or later also show off some of the other cool stuff you can do with this kit, as he's done in the past with the city and industrial kits.

 BrookM wrote:
Ray's twitter will sooner or later also show off some of the other cool stuff you can do with this kit, as he's done in the past with the city and industrial kits.

What is his twitter handle?

You're thinking 7th ed, Ork boyz in 8th are S8 T8

Fail from GW

This is 7 codex.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Codex-Genestealer-Cults-hb-2019-eng

Things I learned from the twitch.tv stream today:

Return to the shadows, works as it used to. 1CP

Purestrains will not benefit from gene-sect cult creeds.

There is a warlord trait that lowers damage recieved by 1 (to a minimum of one)

Relic: Amulet of the void wurm, +1 to armour and invulnerable saving throws. And no shooting overwatch at you.

The allied AM brood brothers spearhead detachment was not put into cult ambush. Everything from the GSC detachment(s) was either blips or in deepstrike, and that part was definitely more than half the points value.

Allied AM brood brother vehicles can not transport gsc-units.

(No new units were used. The GSC player brought their own models and did not have access to the new stuff.)

What did I miss?

 BrookM wrote:
Ray's twitter will sooner or later also show off some of the other cool stuff you can do with this kit, as he's done in the past with the city and industrial kits.

That article is already by him (more or less, or transcribed from some notes he sent to the warcom guys).

things that stand out ...


Edit: ... on closer look the special edition looks amazing

Those acrylic blip tokens look nice but I can't justify 100+$ for a codex even a limited ed one....and I love my GSC.

Mellon wrote:
Things I learned from the twitch.tv stream today:

Return to the shadows, works as it used to. 1CP

Purestrains will not benefit from gene-sect cult creeds.

There is a warlord trait that lowers damage recieved by 1 (to a minimum of one)

Relic: Amulet of the void wurm, +1 to armour and invulnerable saving throws. And no shooting overwatch at you.

The allied AM brood brothers spearhead detachment was not put into cult ambush. Everything from the GSC detachment(s) was either blips or in deepstrike, and that part was definitely more than half the points value.

Allied AM brood brother vehicles can not transport gsc-units.

(No new units were used. The GSC player brought their own models and did not have access to the new stuff.)

What did I miss?

I like that relic for a Patriarch. My old school mack daddy even has the amulet already!



Those blips are nice, but I went in for the big $200 numbered limited edition last time and I probably don't need to do that again. I might stick with the collector's edition.