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Sunny Side Up wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
How the hell did GSC get agents of Vect at the old original cost? If it needed to be patched to 4CP for DE I can't see how giving it to a faction that easily has double the CP for only 3CP makes sense.

Most likely just because the time to print books in China and have them back to distribution centers the world over is usually longer than the 3-4 months since the fall FAQ.

Again, The GSC stratagem uses the ERRATA'D wording from Agents of Vect from the big faq, therefore they simply decided not to make it 4CP.

 Kirasu wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
How the hell did GSC get agents of Vect at the old original cost? If it needed to be patched to 4CP for DE I can't see how giving it to a faction that easily has double the CP for only 3CP makes sense.

Most likely just because the time to print books in China and have them back to distribution centers the world over is usually longer than the 3-4 months since the fall FAQ.

Again, The GSC stratagem uses the ERRATA'D wording from Agents of Vect from the big faq, therefore they simply decided not to make it 4CP.

To be fair, they could've tidied up the wording before this was sent to print, but not decided to adjust the cost of the Vect strategem until after this was sent off, but before the Erratas were published.

 Haighus wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
How the hell did GSC get agents of Vect at the old original cost? If it needed to be patched to 4CP for DE I can't see how giving it to a faction that easily has double the CP for only 3CP makes sense.

Most likely just because the time to print books in China and have them back to distribution centers the world over is usually longer than the 3-4 months since the fall FAQ.

Again, The GSC stratagem uses the ERRATA'D wording from Agents of Vect from the big faq, therefore they simply decided not to make it 4CP.

To be fair, they could've tidied up the wording before this was sent to print, but not decided to adjust the cost of the Vect strategem until after this was sent off, but before the Erratas were published.

Then it still is silly to feature it isn't it lol.

The strat for a unit to fire all of its blasting charges/ demo charges, how would that pair with the deepstrike out of 3" one?

Take a kelermorph/primus for the reroll bonus, DS out of 3" with a 10 man Acolyte squad with 4 demo charges, use strat to throw em all.

Is this viable or can they already do that?

 Kirasu wrote:


Again, The GSC stratagem uses the ERRATA'D wording from Agents of Vect from the big faq, therefore they simply decided not to make it 4CP.

Sure. I am just guessing. Sometimes it’s just different. Rigorous playtesters decided Grey Knights only pay half the CP for “Only in Death..” than all other Marines and that’s just the way it is /shrug

It will probably be FAQed to 4 CP pretty quickly.

Really though I hate the fact its Four Armed Emperor. Giving certain chapters essential, bordering on faction-defining stratagems continues to be bad design. I mean maybe the others have equally good abilities - but I doubt it. I mean I guess at least +1 to advance on charge on the turn you appear isn't amazing - although its certainly not bad, especially if it can be buffed further.

Also not sure what GW were thinking with those paint jobs. Some of the worst in a long, long time - its like being back to 2014-15 or so when things were falling to bits. The Bladed Cog and Twisted Helix looks like something I'd have put together before I realised the colour wheel is a thing.

Some of them aren't too bad, they just shouldn't have used the traditional purple flesh/blue carapace in conjunction. Bladed cog painter was obviously feeling nostalgic for second edition, with a darker base color and some shading that wouldn't be awful.

Am I the only one who finds the Twisted Helix mint colour hella fresh?

PiñaColada wrote:
Am I the only one who finds the Twisted Helix mint colour hella fresh?

i will try to make 2 brigade detachaments.

One with 6+ units of 10 neophytes with heavy stubbers and grenade launchers, and 3 units of bikes, this detachament will be rusted claw for sure.

The other detachament will have 6 units of acolytes in ambush, and I'm doubting between twisted helix or four armed emperor.. The +1 S its very interesting but charge with +2 and rerolling charges (clamavus + vigilius) its really good.

Has anyone seen what the Webber and Web pistol do? Any changes there? I haven’t seen it mentioned.

I wouldn't expect those to change (haven't they shown up in other armies?), though that means they'll stay kinda bad.

GSC vect is not 4cp more than likely due to dark elders ability to soup stronger units with elder and ynarii. That would be my guess anyway.

optrgrow wrote:
GSC vect is not 4cp more than likely due to dark elders ability to soup stronger units with elder and ynarii. That would be my guess anyway.

Tyranids still exist. And we do not know the full extent of the AM they can use. No SD though, so I guess none of the Vigilus stuff will work on BB Detachments... Darn.

This far, GSC can soup pretty nastily if they want.

I just imagine that a lot of Tyranid players will be allying a small GSC detachment for that stratagem.

The surprises around this release just keep coming. 3CP Vect huh? I mean how can they not expect news like this to generate some buzz. Maybe this just the marketing team doing its job.

The hype/anti-hype is wild. So many great models. So many strong rules. So much potential salt.

If anything some meta shifts in the competitive scene will be welcome. Worth the wait for sure.

new art

The art is really good. I love it!

Likewise. Real pretty.

Yup, that's ace and it seems to support the GSC vs. Admech narrative for Vigilus that was teased in the comic trailers.

wrong place

I'm hoping it's a year of gap-filling, and possibly alternate body sprues for the existing gangs. Heck, I'd even be happy with all-resin gang expansions.

That robot looks very surprised!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I'm hoping it's a year of gap-filling, and possibly alternate body sprues for the existing gangs. Heck, I'd even be happy with all-resin gang expansions.

Meant for the Necromunda thread? :p

Voss wrote:
I wouldn't expect those to change (haven't they shown up in other armies?), though that means they'll stay kinda bad.

I don’t think either weapon has shown up in any other army, although I believe they are choices in necromunda. In any event, that’s a shame if they don’t do anything to improve it, as it’s a cool weapon and it’s current rules suck.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That robot looks very surprised!

"This is exactly what my horoscope said would happen today."

The Patriarch clearly feels the same way about the Kastelan heads that a lot of Ad Mech fans did.

Not long until the first batch of pre orders now.

 Asmodas wrote:

Voss wrote:
I wouldn't expect those to change (haven't they shown up in other armies?), though that means they'll stay kinda bad.

I don’t think either weapon has shown up in any other army, although I believe they are choices in necromunda. In any event, that’s a shame if they don’t do anything to improve it, as it’s a cool weapon and it’s current rules suck.

Yeah, I feel like since the 7th ed Everythings-Coming-Up-Grav debacle GW is really overly cautious about giving any new weapon type a decent role. The 8th ed rules for pretty much any weapon outside the "Classic" weapon types is just utter garbage.

Web guns
Admech arc guns
Grav guns
necron tesla guns

Unless something is just a very slight variation on a basic gun type (oh it's a new "gets hot' weapon that's plasma by another name, oh it's an autohit weapon that is called an Incineratoriator instead of a Flamer) you can pretty much assume its rules are going to be crap to avoid people losing their minds and accusing GW of invalidating their existing stuff.

Neophytes could really use a mini-plasma anti elite weapon as a special. It'd be neat if it were like an anti elite flamer, maybe D3 autohits instead of D6, but it wounds like a poison weapon against non-vehicles and its AP goes up as the target's toughness goes up.

That's one of the things that flustered me the most with regards to the Transauranic Arquebus. It went from being a highly situational vehicle bustin' tool...to just being "Meh".

Webbers have the old classic "shredder problem." The unit they're made to fight just plain old doesn't exist.

For the uninitiated, a webber is either a D3 (pistol) or D6 (gun) shot weapon with fairly low strength that does not autohit, and has a special rule where it can wound either against a target's toughness OR a target's strength.

Here's the problem with that:

Off the top of your head, name a common unit with differing strength and toughness values that it would be efficient to go after with a S4 Ap- D1 weapon. One where you wouldn't rather just have a high damage special weapon.

....


Give up?

So yeah. That's the problem with Webbers.

Ork boyz. A grenade launcher or flamer are still probably better choices.

Maybe they need to make webbers slow the target down or something- tangle up the unit. Give them a niche outside the current orthodoxy.