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Still can't get over that deal. Its absolutely crazy by GW standards.

Just an aside, but there's a new thread in the LotR board down below for new discussion, army pics etc to get some activity going down there.

 Slinky wrote:
An alternative is to work on small forces for the many scenarios that are out there.

Personally I am working through the old LOTR "Journey books", making all the terrain and painting the models for each scenario in turn. It keeps me off the streets, at least

How big is a typical army roughly? I never really played the game just loved the minis.

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:

 Slinky wrote:
An alternative is to work on small forces for the many scenarios that are out there.

Personally I am working through the old LOTR "Journey books", making all the terrain and painting the models for each scenario in turn. It keeps me off the streets, at least

How big is a typical army roughly? I never really played the game just loved the minis.

A standard sized army maybe have 30 to 60 figures, depending. An orc-heavy force would have lots more models than, say, a Rivendell Elven force.

Also "typical size" is more relative in this game's community versus say 40k where 2000pts is almost a universal tournament size.

Middle-Earth, IMO works really well anywhere between 300 and 1000pts. This year's "big" tournaments seem to have settled at 750pts, which has been a lot of fun, and allows for 1-2 "name brand" major heroes/villains, and then the aforementioned 20-40 other models, plus a couple generic heroes.

That said, my wife runs a Wild list, that due to Treebeard, Ents, etc... can easily reach 800pts, with under ten models.

On the other absolute extreme, 36 Goblin Town Goblins, and all four of their Heroes, comes in just under 350pts... so.... yeah, you can have a lot of models.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Also "typical size" is more relative in this game's community versus say 40k where 2000pts is almost a universal tournament size.

Middle-Earth, IMO works really well anywhere between 300 and 1000pts. This year's "big" tournaments seem to have settled at 750pts, which has been a lot of fun, and allows for 1-2 "name brand" major heroes/villains, and then the aforementioned 20-40 other models, plus a couple generic heroes.

That said, my wife runs a Wild list, that due to Treebeard, Ents, etc... can easily reach 800pts, with under ten models.

On the other absolute extreme, 36 Goblin Town Goblins, and all four of their Heroes, comes in just under 350pts... so.... yeah, you can have a lot of models.

My buddy and I played a 300 point game last weekend, my Mirkwood Elves versus his Moria.

Needless to say I was heavily outnumbered.

At 300pts, Mirkwood is mean enough that I am guessing you won. ;-)

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
At 300pts, Mirkwood is mean enough that I am guessing you won. ;-)

Absolutely not lol. The scenario was one where we started very close, so I only had about two turns of shooting before the lines clashed - and Moria had gotten off channeled Fury and saved five out of six of my shooting casualties. Haven't not thinned out his lines by the time melee commenced, I was outnumbered 2 or 3 dice to 1 in most duels! :(

 judgedoug wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
At 300pts, Mirkwood is mean enough that I am guessing you won. ;-)

Absolutely not lol. The scenario was one where we started very close, so I only had about two turns of shooting before the lines clashed - and Moria had gotten off channeled Fury and saved five out of six of my shooting casualties. Haven't not thinned out his lines by the time melee commenced, I was outnumbered 2 or 3 dice to 1 in most duels! :(

I don't know why, but I just automatically assumed you would've taken Rangers which remedy the vast majority of the issue with being elite in model-count. A warband of them usually help my Dwarf stuff in terms of anti-horde duties. :-p

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
At 300pts, Mirkwood is mean enough that I am guessing you won. ;-)

Absolutely not lol. The scenario was one where we started very close, so I only had about two turns of shooting before the lines clashed - and Moria had gotten off channeled Fury and saved five out of six of my shooting casualties. Haven't not thinned out his lines by the time melee commenced, I was outnumbered 2 or 3 dice to 1 in most duels! :(

I don't know why, but I just automatically assumed you would've taken Rangers which remedy the vast majority of the issue with being elite in model-count. A warband of them usually help my Dwarf stuff in terms of anti-horde duties. :-p

There's some rangers in there! Most of them survived - though one or two did very badly (rolling like a two and a three against a couple goblins). The scenario was one where each side's leader generated VP's. I conceded after my captain bit the dust.

I'm hoping they've got this set at Nova. I think that would be my con purchase if they did.

 godswildcard wrote:
I'm hoping they've got this set at Nova. I think that would be my con purchase if they did.

I would say it's almost guaranteed.

seen at Gen Con: official Range Measurers!

I mean, I know I'll buy a set. I'm a sucker for tchotchkies like that.

Armies of LOTR looks like a hefty tome!

 Slinky wrote:
Armies of LOTR looks like a hefty tome!

I'm actually blown away by how much of a deal that Armies book is. Previously there was five separate army books for LOTR at $28 apiece, so it cost you $140 to have all the Profiles and Army Lists. This new hardcover is only $60 and has the same page count as the previous 5 books combined, except, about 1/4 of each of the previous army books had the same info (warbands, scenarios, etc) that was also repeated in the rulebook. So there's somehow even more content.

 judgedoug wrote:

 Slinky wrote:
Armies of LOTR looks like a hefty tome!

I'm actually blown away by how much of a deal that Armies book is. Previously there was five separate army books for LOTR at $28 apiece, so it cost you $140 to have all the Profiles and Army Lists. This new hardcover is only $60 and has the same page count as the previous 5 books combined, except, about 1/4 of each of the previous army books had the same info (warbands, scenarios, etc) that was also repeated in the rulebook. So there's somehow even more content.

I wonder if the "There and Back Again" profiles are included and that's what makes the extra content?

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I wonder if the "There and Back Again" profiles are included and that's what makes the extra content?

Nope, all the Hobbit stuff will get addressed later on in it's own volume, Armies of The Hobbit, which combined the profiles from the first film with the profiles/armies of TABA.

I vaguely recalled Adam Troke saying years ago that he wanted to see one complete tome of updated rules, so that if nothing else, the game would be complete, and could persist beyond any other support. I think its pretty damn cool that just as he leaves his stewardship of the SBG system that he will have achieved that, given us Battle Companies, etc...

As for the mysterious new pages... I suppose some of it will be additional scenarios, and maybe... maybe a few additions of upcoming units (in the way Iron Hill Dwarves were all in There and Back Again before they were even shown).

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I vaguely recalled Adam Troke saying years ago that he wanted to see one complete tome of updated rules, so that if nothing else, the game would be complete, and could persist beyond any other support. I think its pretty damn cool that just as he leaves his stewardship of the SBG system that he will have achieved that, given us Battle Companies, etc...

As for the mysterious new pages... I suppose some of it will be additional scenarios, and maybe... maybe a few additions of upcoming units (in the way Iron Hill Dwarves were all in There and Back Again before they were even shown).

They mentioined 11 "historical" scenarios are in the Armies of LOTR book, so that's some content. New units, true! Probably the new Forge World stuff like the new Mumak War Leader.
Guess we'll find out in about 30 days

 judgedoug wrote:

 godswildcard wrote:
I'm hoping they've got this set at Nova. I think that would be my con purchase if they did.

I would say it's almost guaranteed.

That’s good to hear!

Also, are those range measurers shapes like swords and staffs from the movie? Because if so, hot dang...

Well, I'm all hyped up - played an excellent bit of Battle Companies and I can't wait for the releases!

Those range measures are hilarious.
"What's the range of that spell?"
"An axe length"

"How far can my kataphracts charge"?
"Andúril, Flame of the West!"


That is a hefty book though And or only $60 (assuming US, so gonna be a bit more here) not a bad buy.

Looks like $50 and late August for Quest to Mount Doom. It's kind of funny that that's the same price they want for the Fellowship on their own.

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/toys-games-lord-of-the-rings-quest-to-mount-doom-a-middle-earth-adventure-game/32462629?ean=5011921107698

Also, not sure if anyone has posted this picture yet:

Looks like this are new painted Models?

I thought that myself. Those army of the dead look like they're painted with the new green spooky paint.
The hard to tell with the foot soldiers, but the riders of rohan certainly look different.



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And upon closer inspection it appears the box comes with morannon orcs rather then mordor orcs.

 Snrub wrote:
And upon closer inspection it appears the box comes with morannon orcs rather then mordor orcs.

Since day 1 announcement it's been Morannon orcs. Which makes sense as they were the Orcs that marched from Minas Morgul to siege Minas Tirith.

Middle-earth Dice Sets, first wave - ROHAN, MORDOR, and THE ONE RING

Wallets around the world are just starting to work out how much trouble they are in

 judgedoug wrote:
Since day 1 announcement it's been Morannon orcs. Which makes sense as they were the Orcs that marched from Minas Morgul to siege Minas Tirith.

Ah. Must have missed that bit.

Those are newly-painted models, yes. The Rohirrim certainly are not traditional models we've seen GW use in LOTR publications since the dawn of time (outside of the basic painted ones from BGIME).

LOTR dice and range rulers too? This entire relaunch is going to bankrupt me!