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RazorEdge wrote:
I want the early 2000s Empire Statestroops in Plastic as MtO....

Do you guys knwo what would be funny?

Classic Starter Sets - MtO

6th Edition Empire vs Orks
7th Edition Dwarfs vs. Goblins
8th Edition High Elves vs. Skaven

with ToW compatible Journal Booklets.

5th edition Brettonians vs. Lizardmen would be funnier but it’s also definitely not happening.

 Skywave wrote:
Whew, I'm glad I don't collect Bretionnian really (only have a few heroes and the Green Knights), otherwise I'd be all over those and get everything there and then some!

The 6+3 layout for the unit and commands is always weird, but I guess with 2 packs + a command it still gives you 15 models which is nice enough for a small unit (especially for display).

I've been trying to figure out how best to make an order for these. I love these sculpts, and I got a bunch of the squires already and as much as I like the plastics (and brought enough on their re-release) I'd honestly quite like to make an army that is mostly peasants.

But the cost (if they are the same price as the squires) and the odd amounts in the MTO is very difficult to get a decent amount. Like you said above, 15 is doable, but 20 is impossible without it costing something like €400 and ending up with one odd model per unit.

Only thing is that I guess the odd models would come in handy for things like the baggage cart conversions etc. 2 packs + commands works, but it just feels odd.

I'm not really worried about rules/army comp/MinMaxing, I just want a nice looking themed army, but I also don't want to buy models for the sake of it (I have enough to paint as it is) but they are lovely sculpts, much nicer than the plastics.

How would mixing and match work for you?

Say, front rank those rather spiffy chaps, rear ranks the plastic ones.

I appreciate there’s a notable visual style difference. But it’s a thought if nothing else.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
How would mixing and match work for you?

Say, front rank those rather spiffy chaps, rear ranks the plastic ones.

I appreciate there’s a notable visual style difference. But it’s a thought if nothing else.

Yeah I considered it, but I think its going to be pretty noticeable.

But its an option for gameplay I guess. 2 packs + command for display, if I want to use a unit of 20 for gameplay just add a few plastics and use those for casualties first.

Since these older Brets were Perry Sculpts, you could look at the modern Perry Miniatures Agincourt ranges as a possible cheaper way to bulk out units. Many of them look very similar indeed.

I'd look at Perry historicals as a cost effective option.
They have Agincourt & War of the Roses archers, in plastic and metal options.
They're a close match style-wise, especially the English Archer sprue.
Likely similar scale, though I have never had Perry stuff side-by-side with my metal Bret archers & M-A-A.

 RexHavoc wrote:

 Skywave wrote:
Whew, I'm glad I don't collect Bretionnian really (only have a few heroes and the Green Knights), otherwise I'd be all over those and get everything there and then some!

The 6+3 layout for the unit and commands is always weird, but I guess with 2 packs + a command it still gives you 15 models which is nice enough for a small unit (especially for display).

I've been trying to figure out how best to make an order for these. I love these sculpts, and I got a bunch of the squires already and as much as I like the plastics (and brought enough on their re-release) I'd honestly quite like to make an army that is mostly peasants.

But the cost (if they are the same price as the squires) and the odd amounts in the MTO is very difficult to get a decent amount. Like you said above, 15 is doable, but 20 is impossible without it costing something like €400 and ending up with one odd model per unit.

Only thing is that I guess the odd models would come in handy for things like the baggage cart conversions etc. 2 packs + commands works, but it just feels odd.

I'm not really worried about rules/army comp/MinMaxing, I just want a nice looking themed army, but I also don't want to buy models for the sake of it (I have enough to paint as it is) but they are lovely sculpts, much nicer than the plastics.

Yeah I get you, I got a full Dwarf army on release including the MTO stuff and it wasn't cheap! Not a lot of stuff made sense for unit size either, often the troops were by 5s, but then had a 4-man command pack. Good if you want 20 and can add a character to them at least.

For the peasants, 3 packs + commands gives you 21 minis, so you could do 7x3 (not bad either look-wise), or go classic with 5x4 with a mini left (good idea for the baggage train, those could be nice for that). The archers I guess a single bases with some nice filler to get them to 10 after getting a pack + command would also work easily.

Now I'm starting to convince myself to get some Can't wait to see the price tho, that's gonna it's job of talking me out of it

 Skywave wrote:

 RexHavoc wrote:

 Skywave wrote:
Whew, I'm glad I don't collect Bretionnian really (only have a few heroes and the Green Knights), otherwise I'd be all over those and get everything there and then some!

The 6+3 layout for the unit and commands is always weird, but I guess with 2 packs + a command it still gives you 15 models which is nice enough for a small unit (especially for display).

I've been trying to figure out how best to make an order for these. I love these sculpts, and I got a bunch of the squires already and as much as I like the plastics (and brought enough on their re-release) I'd honestly quite like to make an army that is mostly peasants.

But the cost (if they are the same price as the squires) and the odd amounts in the MTO is very difficult to get a decent amount. Like you said above, 15 is doable, but 20 is impossible without it costing something like €400 and ending up with one odd model per unit.

Only thing is that I guess the odd models would come in handy for things like the baggage cart conversions etc. 2 packs + commands works, but it just feels odd.

I'm not really worried about rules/army comp/MinMaxing, I just want a nice looking themed army, but I also don't want to buy models for the sake of it (I have enough to paint as it is) but they are lovely sculpts, much nicer than the plastics.

Yeah I get you, I got a full Dwarf army on release including the MTO stuff and it wasn't cheap! Not a lot of stuff made sense for unit size either, often the troops were by 5s, but then had a 4-man command pack. Good if you want 20 and can add a character to them at least.

For the peasants, 3 packs + commands gives you 21 minis, so you could do 7x3 (not bad either look-wise), or go classic with 5x4 with a mini left (good idea for the baggage train, those could be nice for that). The archers I guess a single bases with some nice filler to get them to 10 after getting a pack + command would also work easily.

Now I'm starting to convince myself to get some Can't wait to see the price tho, that's gonna it's job of talking me out of it

Never listen to me, I have a bad habit of convincing people to buy more warhammer

If the price is the same as the squires, its going to be a measly €376.50 for the three units of 21.

I didn't think of the doing the units as 7x3, I always assume I have to do 5x4s, too many years of using the neon green movement trays I guess

Arent those sculpts tiny compared to the plastic bowmen and men-at-arms?

Are those plastic shields? Will GW put some of their old shield sprues into production?

 skrulnik wrote:
I'd look at Perry historicals as a cost effective option.
They have Agincourt & War of the Roses archers, in plastic and metal options.
They're a close match style-wise, especially the English Archer sprue.
Likely similar scale, though I have never had Perry stuff side-by-side with my metal Bret archers & M-A-A.

Assuming the 5th ed Brets are similarly sized to the Dogs of War of the same era (also Perry sculpts), the Agincourt minis should blend in fairly well. The plastic War of the Roses minis are slightly smaller than the Agincourt sets I think, but Agincourt-era is more suitable for the infantry anyway. The most noticeable difference is the weapon scale, partially because Warhammer heroic scale, and partially due to the material - the plastic bows, sword blades, pole-arm shafts etcetera are simply thinner than metal figures could ever be (other aspects of heroic scale, e.g. proportionally larger heads, don't stand out as much in these figures I find, though can depend on for instance the types of helmets etc.).

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:


Are those plastic shields? Will GW put some of their old shield sprues into production?

From the article(emphasis mine):

"The Command Groups come with six paper banners, while all Men-at-Arms arrive with one or two positively ancient fighter shield sprues."

I'd have to check if it came with one but I'd imagine that they'd have to have already done a run on at least one variant of those shields for the metal MTO of the Knight of the Realm Hero on Foot (unless they just had a stash of those blank shields lying around to package with it).

MTO Bret stuff has come with this 1992 Fighter shield sprue:
https://www.whtreasury.com/warhammer-fantasy-shield-sprue/

No way to seriously justify the MTO Brett’s (unless you’re just collector), especially with the many historical equivalents out there that are significantly cheaper and look similar.

Sure, there's lots of medieval pikemen options from various historical lines. If you want the Perry sculpted Bretonnian Men at Arms, there's a MTO for you.

Was there originally another Men at Arms command group?
There was a Saracen-styled champion, wasn't there?

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Was there originally another Men at Arms command group?
There was a Saracen-styled champion, wasn't there?

There was a second set of Spear Champion and Musician but I'm not seeing a "Saracen" styled one on Stuff of Legends.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Was there originally another Men at Arms command group?
There was a Saracen-styled champion, wasn't there?

I'm not sure about Saracen-styled, but there were two different bowman and spearman command sets:

http://www.solegends.com/citcat1998/1998P012-00.jpg
http://www.solegends.com/citcat1998/1998P014-00.jpg

Well they raised the price of the command compared to the squires, got to squeeze those few extra pounds profit out of us- probably for bringing back the plastic shields I guess.

A full unit of 21 (3 packs and 1 command) is €129 each.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Was there originally another Men at Arms command group?
There was a Saracen-styled champion, wasn't there?

I kind of vaguely recall a Saracen named character from one of the WHFB editions.
Some of the versions of Arthurian legends include Sir Palamedes, a Saracen knight.

 SgtEeveell wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Was there originally another Men at Arms command group?
There was a Saracen-styled champion, wasn't there?

I kind of vaguely recall a Saracen named character from one of the WHFB editions.
Some of the versions of Arthurian legends include Sir Palamedes, a Saracen knight.

He was a companion to a Knight special character.

http://www.solegends.com/citcat1998/1998P029-02.htm

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:


Are those plastic shields? Will GW put some of their old shield sprues into production?

From the article(emphasis mine):

"The Command Groups come with six paper banners, while all Men-at-Arms arrive with one or two positively ancient fighter shield sprues."

I'd love a MTO for some of the old shield sprues, especially the old skeleton sheilds. The skull shield bosses were so useful.

I think what I might have done is at some point misinterpreted the sash around the helmet of the spear champion as a Moorish turban, assumed the model was supposed to be a reference to Morgan Freeman in Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves, and then merged that somehow with the mounted Saracen character in my mind to result in a Saracen men at arms champion.

Or it's the Mandela Effect, and it isn't me that was mistaken; but a fundamental shift in reality.

The helmet feather on display there is a fairly common piece of design language for older 'human' armies. I remember the monopose plastic 4th-era Empire Halberdiers having that, too.

https://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Suliman_le_Saracen

New TOW edition of the The Legend of Sigmar omnibus up for pre-order next week:

I was just thinking the other day that it had been a long while since we'd seen anything published for Old World

Nice to see an older collection coming back and hopefully we get more; there's still a good few individual books that can be bundled up into omnibus and it would be great to get some more new stories coming out too

 Overread wrote:
I was just thinking the other day that it had been a long while since we'd seen anything published for Old World

Nice to see an older collection coming back and hopefully we get more; there's still a good few individual books that can be bundled up into omnibus and it would be great to get some more new stories coming out too

Most of the old WFB novels are set 'after' The Old World timeline, so I doubt they'll be republished in this branding. Just the Time of Legends ones, probably.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Overread wrote:
I was just thinking the other day that it had been a long while since we'd seen anything published for Old World

Nice to see an older collection coming back and hopefully we get more; there's still a good few individual books that can be bundled up into omnibus and it would be great to get some more new stories coming out too

Most of the old WFB novels are set 'after' The Old World timeline, so I doubt they'll be republished in this branding. Just the Time of Legends ones, probably.

I would be happy to get a new set of all of those Time of Legends books. The ones I have are getting pretty ragged after all these years.