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 Sigvatr wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:


99% of mods are useless trash to begin with. The 1% that are actually good will likely be making their way to the consoles.

Incorrect. Fully incorrect. To begin with, PC will have vastly superior graphics compared to consoles due to mods and better hardware. Secondly, a huge part of the essential FNV/FO3 mods cannot be used on consoles due to requiring a script extender that cannot be realized on consoles. Thirdly, you don't seem to have any experience when it comes to FO3/FNV mods, else you wouldn't come up with a stupid number of 99% of the mods being trash. Oh, guess which mods /will/ make it to console though

Yeah, what -

 Sigvatr wrote:
Now back to your place, console peasant!

- nevermind. Guess people aren't allowed to pick what system they're playing on without being labelled as expendable, useless people with zero rights.

Kings dine at a king's table!

 Sigvatr wrote:
Thirdly, you don't seem to have any experience when it comes to FO3/FNV mods, else you wouldn't come up with a stupid number of 99% of the mods being trash.

Look up how many mods there are for Skyrim, FO3, FONV, etc. Then look at how many have more than a couple of thousand downloads and/or a good rating and number of raters. I would guess there are only maybe 20-50 mods that are routinely installed on the majority of people's games out of the many hundreds (and probably thousands now for Skyrim) of mods available.

For every top mod, there are tens, hundreds or even thousands of others which attempt do something similar and are either rubbish, incomplete, or just straight out break the game.

Pretending that you can swim in a golden pool of mods, enriching your game experience with a million new and interesting mods that you can pluck and savour at your convenience is to utterly ignore the fact the gold colour of the mod pool is from all the rubbish mods taking a wizz into it

I probably installed, over the course of playing it, about 100-200 mods for Skyrim. I probably had about 50 or so on Morrowind. Hell, I installed probably about 300 on Kerbal Space Program

Mods can be great. But most of them aren't.

 thenoobbomb wrote:

- nevermind. Guess people aren't allowed to pick what system they're playing on without being labelled as expendable, useless people with zero rights.

Just to make that clear, I'm not serious. Different things for different people. I never thought that Diablo would be better on consoles, but it is. Objectively, though, Fallout 4 is better on PC. Mods alone make it a much more worthwhile purchase at zero additional cost. The only objective upside consoles have on today's market is being more accessible for people with little to no idea on how a PC works, i.e. need a machine they don't have to get along with, and, to a low degree, price as consoles are, still, slightly cheaper than an actual computer. Thats a fool's argument, though, as a PC offers more than a console ever could. But alas, that's another topic.


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 SilverMK2 wrote:


Look up how many mods there are for Skyrim, FO3, FONV, etc. Then look at how many have more than a couple of thousand downloads and/or a good rating and number of raters. I would guess there are only maybe 20-50 mods that are routinely installed on the majority of people's games out of the many hundreds (and probably thousands now for Skyrim) of mods available.

True, but you're far from a 99%. What does matter, however, is that those trash mods are the ones consoles will be getting. Most, if not all, top mods require a script extender which will not happen on consoles.

 Alex C wrote:
I hear a lot about the "poor performance" on console, but I've been watching Screw Attack's 72-hour stream on PS4 and I haven't seen any problems there.

Not wanting to add more fuel to the #PCMasterRace discussion (c'mon Sigvatr, the humour is awesome but that's only that, humour), there ARE some problems I hope they fix:

Fallout 4’s performance on both consoles is tolerable, but sometimes disappointing. We’ve seen frequent frame rate slowdowns well below the target of 30 when simply walking around the world, and hitches of a second or more that arise mostly after loading a new save or fast-traveling. The PC version has been much smoother in that regard, running between 40 and 60fps on Ultra settings on my GeForce GTX 970, and maintaining 60 when I lowered only the anti-aliasing settings.

- IGN review

EDIT: Nevermind, I just read that you were just provoking the peasants With that said

Really dislike the new dialog wheel, though. I mean, come on, YouTube generation and such, but people can still read an entire sentence...

 Sigvatr wrote:
True, but you're far from a 99%.

So you are quibbling about a few % points on a clearly exaggerated figure?

...a script extender which will not happen on consoles.

Source?

Oh, wait, there isn't one.

How it's designed. With the script extender, you actually start the game with a different executable file. It's a modification on the base game, not just a BSA file. Remeber, the sript extender is not made by bethesda. They could make it work (the same way it works on computers), but it's doubtful. Still, we won't know for sure until it happens.

Speaking of which it looks like work on the scrip extender has begun, should be pretty quick this time, as it's very similar to the skyrim engine.

 SilverMK2 wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
True, but you're far from a 99%.

So you are quibbling about a few % points on a clearly exaggerated figure?

As I deal with "a few % points" every day, yes, every % point matters. Stop discriminating minorities! Procentophobes everywhere!

Source?

It doesn't work from a technical point of view as the SE would require rights you simply don't have on a console. A SE does not just "add" content like other mods, it sets itself in front of the actual game's executable file. It meddles with the game's core itself and how it works. The only way would be to have Bethesda manually add required functions / scripts to the game.

/e: NINJAAAAAAAAAAA'D D:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Really dislike the new dialog wheel, though. I mean, come on, YouTube generation and such, but people can still read an entire sentence...

That is annoying. Looks like it's also limiting us to 4 options, because it's based around controller buttons. Really annoying, I don't see what was wrong with the old one. I think that was one of the things people tended not to complain about (they just complained about the writing).

Aye. I don't want dialogues to be reduced to:

YES
NO
SARCASM

I know what a script extender is and does thanks

There is little reason that one cannot be developed for XBone specifically for FO4 other than potentially opening the console up to exploits.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Aye. I don't want dialogues to be reduced to:

YES
NO
SARCASM

The only dialogue I had so far (after Vault) was Cogsworth, and I don't really mind the 4 options, but the fact I wasn't able to speak with him again and select OTHER options annoyed me.

But then I remembered this was exactly like Mass Effect, and I didn't dislike it there, I'm sure I won't dislike it here, just need to get used to it.

 SilverMK2 wrote:
I know what a script extender is and does thanks

There is little reason that one cannot be developed for XBone specifically for FO4 other than potentially opening the console up to exploits.

Sure it can be developed (other than where things are stored, it most probably wouldn't be any different, as long as all the data is stored on the hard drive), what matters is if it can be installed and used. So it relies on Msoft giving the makers of the script extender access (doubtful) and whether or not the makers to the script extender want to make it for Xbone at all. It's more work for them, with a setup they have never used before, for the benefit of Msoft, and I seriously doubt Msoft will pay them.


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 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Aye. I don't want dialogues to be reduced to:

YES
NO
SARCASM

The only dialogue I had so far (after Vault) was Cogsworth, and I don't really mind the 4 options, but the fact I wasn't able to speak with him again and select OTHER options annoyed me.

But then I remembered this was exactly like Mass Effect, and I didn't dislike it there, I'm sure I won't dislike it here, just need to get used to it.

Eh, I don't like it at all. It goes right past simplification, straight on to removing options.

 SilverMK2 wrote:


There is little reason that one cannot be developed for XBone specifically for FO4 other than potentially opening the console up to exploits.

That's a pretty big reason. It's highly unrealistic to have Microsoft grant any non-employees basically root access. Note that I said "non-employee". *wink*

Getting an early dinner (4:30) and tidying the house up so I can play for the rest of the night uninterrupted. I'm hoping to get at least 6 hours tonight, from 6pm. I hope theres no Day 1 patch? It took me two days to pre-load it.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Getting an early dinner (4:30) and tidying the house up so I can play for the rest of the night uninterrupted. I'm hoping to get at least 6 hours tonight, from 6pm. I hope theres no Day 1 patch? It took me two days to pre-load it.

I'm not certain what it was, but I had the game pre-loaded too and I had to download something when I tried to run the game for the first time today. So... consider hitting that play button once you get home; hopefully it will be downloaded once it's 6 PM.

Day One patch maybe, about 500 MB.

Someone as wondering about the voiced names.
Here they all are.
http://hastebin.com/raw/ovayuyalej

Oh ffs. Steam has chosen now to update and restart. It even closed down Fallout 4 to ask me.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Someone as wondering about the voiced names.
Here they all are.
http://hastebin.com/raw/ovayuyalej

Doesn't include the awful "titties" and such names, though!

Pip boy is on the wrist, and it feels goooooood

Oh for feths sake!

It crashes to desktop seconds after I boot it up, everytime. I get as far as the "Please stand by" screen. In fact its not really a crash, theres no error message, its as if it's just closing itself down.

Turned off wireless on xbox one before installing and am now on 80% installation progress, watching the attribute vids with the wife sitting on the sofa under some blankets with pizza.

Will turn on wifi when I am finished playing and install any day 1 patches overnight having set my xbox to not turn off.

Man, wish I had bought it on PC...

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Oh for feths sake!

It crashes to desktop seconds after I boot it up, everytime. I get as far as the "Please stand by" screen. In fact its not really a crash, theres no error message, its as if it's just closing itself down.

https://www.reddit.com/r/fo4/comments/3s6lg1/fallout_4_ctdcrash_to_desktop_fixworked_for_me/

Maybe?

 SilverMK2 wrote:
Turned off wireless on xbox one before installing and am now on 80% installation progress, watching the attribute vids with the wife sitting on the sofa under some blankets with pizza.

Will turn on wifi when I am finished playing and install any day 1 patches overnight having set my xbox to not turn off.

Man, wish I had bought it on PC...

Don't. I can't get even get the fething thing to start, it keeps shutting itself down a couple seconds after I hit Play.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 SilverMK2 wrote:
Turned off wireless on xbox one before installing and am now on 80% installation progress, watching the attribute vids with the wife sitting on the sofa under some blankets with pizza.

Will turn on wifi when I am finished playing and install any day 1 patches overnight having set my xbox to not turn off.

Man, wish I had bought it on PC...

Don't. I can't get even get the fething thing to start, it keeps shutting itself down a couple seconds after I hit Play.

I'm sorry, but...

"It just works"

Also, see link above, might be it.

I've downloaded the AMD auto detect tool, but I can't figure out how to run it.

Yet again Bethesda has released a broken game. And they get a free pass, because they are Bethesda. It's sort of depressing. They'll never fix it if the can continue to get away with it.

I've installed the AMD driver auto detect tool but I can't find it anywhere on my computer.