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Yeah, I’m inclined to agree that this book implies continued support with the current rules set - especially considering that the card sets are getting reprinted, and the fact that all of the weapon card sets and command terminals are (once again) available for purchase. I don’t think GW would bother with the paper products if the game were soon to be put in the dumpster.
Of course, that doesn’t mean there will be any new stuff made for the game - just that GW is willing to keep it available for now.

I’m not holding my breath for AI card reprints, though.

It also makes sense to have a campaign compilation to go with the loyalist and traitor legio books. Far less to carry, and opportunities for the people who never got some or all of the original books.

semajnollissor wrote:
I don’t think GW would bother with the paper products if the game were soon to be put in the dumpster.

GW just announced a new edition of 40k like 2 weeks after releasing the last codex

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Books with zero new content aren't a good sign for the life of an edition, for those somehow wondering about this.

Tell that to Call of Cthulhu, they used the same book with different covers for 33 years

Seriously though, they might feel that the game is at a "completed" stage by now, by which I mean either the point where they wanted it to go, or the point where additional resources won't return sufficient revenues. If that's the case, it very well be a good idea to have an "evergreen" version of the game, that they can keep in their catalogue but not really invest into.

Nice to see them compiling (and hopefully cleaning up) the rest of the rules. Prevents those without some of the older books from being left out.

And having all the decks back in print is very welcome. Everyone (IMO) should take advantage of those.

Another version of the custom Legio rules is both nice and a pain. Nice because they could use some cleaning; a pain because my Legios will likely need to be reworked under the revised rules.

New book, new weapons and reprint of the cards...great!

The reprint of the Open Engine War cards surprises me a bit, don't they compete with the matched play guide? Thought the latter would be the new standard

habedekrai37 wrote:
New book, new weapons and reprint of the cards...great!

The reprint of the Open Engine War cards surprises me a bit, don't they compete with the matched play guide? Thought the latter would be the new standard

New standard? Matched play is for the balanced competitive games, while the Open War cards are for the more diverse narrative games. Depends on what flavor of game you are looking for.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

semajnollissor wrote:
I don’t think GW would bother with the paper products if the game were soon to be put in the dumpster.

GW just announced a new edition of 40k like 2 weeks after releasing the last codex

Ya was going to say lol, GW are shameless in that respect.


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 MajorWesJanson wrote:

habedekrai37 wrote:
New book, new weapons and reprint of the cards...great!

The reprint of the Open Engine War cards surprises me a bit, don't they compete with the matched play guide? Thought the latter would be the new standard

New standard? Matched play is for the balanced competitive games, while the Open War cards are for the more diverse narrative games. Depends on what flavor of game you are looking for.

Ya the open engine war cards if played according to instruction end up having a lot going on to keep track of, even with the cards in front of both players, matched play doesn't have the like planetary/weather effects.

Well, we play the open engine war cards without planetary and battlefield effects, so they are in direct competition with the matched play guide... let's see what we do. In general, I think it's better if both players have the same primary objective

 Albertorius wrote:

Tell that to Call of Cthulhu, they used the same book with different covers for 33 years

To be fair, Chaosium, FASA etc... are experts at this. At least 7th Ed CoC has a few mechanical changes... LOL


Anyway, as I am the noobie here. Do the current weapon card decks include everything currently in game, or are there also Forgeworld options without cards, etc? I am just wondering how much of a necessity they are, and if I should just place a big order for every card and cardboard-dashboard?

habedekrai37 wrote:
Well, we play the open engine war cards without planetary and battlefield effects, so they are in direct competition with the matched play guide... let's see what we do. In general, I think it's better if both players have the same primary objective

Completely agree on both players having the same primary objective. And the battlefield/planetary effects can be interesting but some of them are a real drag too. Not a fan of the matched play book's way of doing things too much either but at least with the re-release of stratagem cards the system will work a bit better hopefully.




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NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

Tell that to Call of Cthulhu, they used the same book with different covers for 33 years

To be fair, Chaosium, FASA etc... are experts at this. At least 7th Ed CoC has a few mechanical changes... LOL


Anyway, as I am the noobie here. Do the current weapon card decks include everything currently in game, or are there also Forgeworld options without cards, etc? I am just wondering how much of a necessity they are, and if I should just place a big order for every card and cardboard-dashboard?

The weapon card decks include a few of the initial fw made weapons but past that, forge world expects players to cut the cards out of a cardboard blister back. I would def get an initial pack of cards just because they're good to have and pretty necessary. You can obviously also just print them and cut them out, provided they're sized right. Also worth getting the thick card terminals, you interact with them so much it makes a big difference as they hold the plastic pips really well.

 schoon wrote:


Another version of the custom Legio rules is both nice and a pain. Nice because they could use some cleaning; a pain because my Legios will likely need to be reworked under the revised rules.

Yes, I was pretty annoyed that the Warbringer was cut from the Engines of War trait when updated for Defence of Ryza. That said, I'd be very happy if the Warbringer is once again included, maybe any titan that isn't auxilary?

Eh, asymmetric objectives are great. Fighting for different purposes is personally far more interesting in a skirmish game over the eternal struggle for one thing, especially when those objectives intersect in ways that change the dynamics of the front lines in disruptive ways.

 Sherrypie wrote:
Eh, asymmetric objectives are great. Fighting for different purposes is personally far more interesting in a skirmish game over the eternal struggle for one thing, especially when those objectives intersect in ways that change the dynamics of the front lines in disruptive ways.

I'd disagree. We always placed an outhouse as the objective and the Generals were always in a pissing match to see who got to use it first. Always worked out for us. But people enjoy different things, so if you want one of your generals going for the outhouse while the opponent is going for the leftover pizza....have at it

Ultimately a lot of war is simply fighting for real estate and hoping not to have to pay for it twice. For all the possibilities of asymmetric missions/objectives, ultimately titans move and shoot and hopefully don't all get disabled or destroyed. I think for a more involved set of missions/assymetric set it'd be better in epic, where there's more unit types at play than just 2.




Also it seems like we won't be getting any weapon summaries in the new book sadly, and the loyalist/traitor books are missing some.

 Crablezworth wrote:
Ultimately a lot of war is simply fighting for real estate and hoping not to have to pay for it twice. For all the possibilities of asymmetric missions/objectives, ultimately titans move and shoot and hopefully don't all get disabled or destroyed. I think for a more involved set of missions/assymetric set it'd be better in epic, where there's more unit types at play than just 2.

Regarding gamedesign that's the exact opposite, really. To create a robust ruleset with lots of replayability, asymmetric objectives help even with small pools of units available. With a more extensive unit selection you can have a more standard, shared mission without hurting the variability in the game. There are good reasons why the Grand Tournament scenario has single-handedly dominated Epic tables for decades without feeling stale.

But it's not like it's an either or situation. Both ways are enjoyable every now and then.

 Sherrypie wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:
Ultimately a lot of war is simply fighting for real estate and hoping not to have to pay for it twice. For all the possibilities of asymmetric missions/objectives, ultimately titans move and shoot and hopefully don't all get disabled or destroyed. I think for a more involved set of missions/assymetric set it'd be better in epic, where there's more unit types at play than just 2.

Regarding gamedesign that's the exact opposite, really. To create a robust ruleset with lots of replayability, asymmetric objectives help even with small pools of units available. With a more extensive unit selection you can have a more standard, shared mission without hurting the variability in the game. There are good reasons why the Grand Tournament scenario has single-handedly dominated Epic tables for decades without feeling stale.

But it's not like it's an either or situation. Both ways are enjoyable every now and then.

Epic has more than 2 units types though, AT isn't really combined arms.

I'm still hoping they start releasing custom armour sets.

Nomeny wrote:
I'm still hoping they start releasing custom armour sets.

Someone did and got a letter from gw





It seems like based on the images released the only changes in the new compendium book will be to custom legios with their traits now becoming majoris and minoris, everything else just seems to be a consolidation of the other books.



From 2018 AT facebook group


"Adeptus Titanicus Campaign Compendium: the contents

Thanks to a pretty comprehensive shot of the index page in the Sunday preview video, we can see most of what's in the book, and I've compared that to the page counts in the five books it combines.

What's in the book:
Pg. 6 The Iron Crusade lore from Shadow and Iron
Pg. 20 The Battle of Molech lore from Doom of Molech
Pg. 30 The Cataclysm of Iron lore from Crucible of Retribution
Pg. 56 The Battle for Ryza lore from The Defence of Ryza
Pg. 78 The War for Beta-Garmon lore from Titandeath
Pg. 90 Narrative Missions from all five books
Pg. 146 Echoes of Glory from Crucible of Retribution
Pg. 162 Creating a Titan Legion from The Defence of Ryza (splits Legio Traits into Trait Majoris and Trait Minoris, so likely to be an update to these rules for better balance)
Pg. 172 The Household Marches from Doom of Molech, with Battle Standards from The Defence of Ryza added in, plus the 6 Knight Houses from Doom of Molech that aren't in any other book
Pg. 198 Adeptus Titanicus Campaigns from Shadow and Iron
Pg. 216 Hostile Battlefields from Titandeath
Pg. 218 Unknown, we're told the book is 224 pages, so likely to be 7 pages filled with images of models or battles

What's not in the book:
Any Titan Legio rules (these are in the Loyalist / Traitor Legio books)
Knight House rules for Houses that are in the Loyalist / Traitor Legio books, the 6 that are only in Doom of Molech are here though
Titan Maniple rules
Psi-Titan rules
Allegiance rules
Most of the Appendicies from the books (including weapon stats)

So it looks very much like there's no cross over at all with the Loyalist / Traitor Legio books."

Do we have any indication on the prices of the book and the card packs yet?

Earliest we'll know is likely to be the Monday before they go up on pre-order.

Aren't they being released (or well going up for 'preorder') next Saturday though? That's when things release that are show in the sunday preview right?

Someone posted the trade sheet thing in the Seraphon Facebook group, the book is £37.50. No cards on there so presumably direct only.

Which probably means £12.50 per each based on last week’s Necromunda cards release.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Someone posted the trade sheet thing in the Seraphon Facebook group, the book is £37.50. No cards on there so presumably direct only.

The Open Engine War cards are still listed under their old SKU at £19, don't see the other cards though.

Looks like the cards were delayed or withdrawn…

Probably wasn't supposed to be announced last Sunday, and why they were only mentioned in the video and not the article itself - the later being easier to update.

I was really hoping to get cards and the new book in one order. I think I'll hold until they're both available.

 zedmeister wrote:
Looks like the cards were delayed or withdrawn…

This is also why I don't really love stratagems, especially the new way the matched book uses them with the like hand of cards thing. It's one thing to be asked to play magic cards while playing AT, it at least requires having the cards to really work though so if GW can't meet demand it's sorta falls on its face.


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 schoon wrote:
I was really hoping to get cards and the new book in one order. I think I'll hold until they're both available.

Ya the cards seem more useful game to game, if the compendium had more new content perhaps it'd be more of a must have. With the only new stuff being the changes to custom legios, base on goonhammer's review, they fixed some things like macro charges, but broke others, we've largely barred playing both corrupted and custom legios but the new compendium allows for it with a certain majoris trait. I do hope the cards are just delayed and it wasn't an accidental announcement. I'm sure plenty of people want the engine war cards because they're a good resource and get a lot of use compared to some of the books.

The compendium is more for new players than players who already have all the campaign books. Those are likely going to be phased out, since the legio rules have been compiled and even updated in the loyalist and traitor books. Now this one compiles the campaign stuff.

That's why I think it's an encouraging sign, because why even bother with a compilation book (which aren't high margin products for GW anyway) if the game was coming to some kind of end? Would be cheaper and easier to just let the campaign books run OOP and allow the game to go quietly into the night.