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That is true about the sergeants, but I don't feel like the 1 extra attack is worth having another kill point on the board.

I don't care aobut what rules they get. I am sure they will make something an autoinclude and something else worthless.

I am hoping the BA sprue has jump packs and it will probably have the plastic bits for the Baal Pred. IIRC the current is still in metal.

I do hope they give us something worthwhile on the sprues. We don't need 56 heads. BA usually keep their helmets on.

And Black Rage in 3rd was the worst, stupidest rule ever for a Space Marine chapter. It made Devs useless.

I wish they would get furious charge back though.

Mike Leon wrote:I wish they would get furious charge back though.

who knows. if the space puppies got to keep their countercharge instead of combat tactics, maybe we'll get furious charge back. one can hope...

skrulnik wrote:And Black Rage in 3rd was the worst, stupidest rule ever for a Space Marine chapter. It made Devs useless.

i actually liked it back then. it was a REAL disadvantage that covered the cost of the army wide furious charge. it's also the reason why i constantly argued (with the local SW player) that his army was the most broken. he had plenty of army wide advantages (hidden powerfists, cheaper wargear, counterattack in 3rd ed assault rules, etc) and no army wide disadvantages. i built my army around that rule. for fluff purposes, i had a single dev squad since i believed every marine company needed one (no matter what their rules). i then supplemented my heavy weapons with a baal predator, 3 attack bikes, and a double ranged weapon dread (none of which cared about the black rage rule!).

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Blood_Angels

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Wanna know what would be cool? A SM commander box set made specifically for making BA, DA and BT commanders

Vulkan wrote:http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Blood_Angels
Wanna know what would be cool? A SM commander box set made specifically for making BA, DA and BT commanders

You can already do that really easily with each chapter upgrade sprue, save the Blood Angels.

I'm also for Blood Angels getting furious charge back as an army-wide rule. Just something overall to keep them from being the same as codex Marines, Wolves, Templars, or what have you. I think what intrigues me most is what GW would do for an upgrade sprue, to tell you the truth. Blood Angels are a little harder to pin down visually than the other variant chapters. I've read some suggestions here, but I'm still curious.

^_^ Sorry I forgot that the game isn't as customizable as it was.. *Puts down mask of Sanguinius.. The odd thing about BA that really messed with me is I kept having to repaint models alittle every time I moved my army around due to the whole halmet system.. then after my army looked like crud I said to heck with it.

But I think upgrade sprues and such are a little too costly like it's $25.00 for Chaos upgrade parts for Night Lords.. This shouldn't be done to space marine founding chapters.. I don't know any more.. Then again I haven't interacted in a mini wargamming store in over year

Vulkan wrote:Can we all agree current BA are awful?

I would have to vote no. true it has issues, but it's still payable- I've done reasonably well with it since it came out.

Though it would be nice to get the BA stuff in line with the codex marine stats....

Vulkan wrote:Can we all agree current BA are awful?

Type in "jawaballs" on youtube. I think that he (Jawaballs) gets lots of success from the Blood Angels.

Cosmic wrote:

Vulkan wrote:Can we all agree current BA are awful?

Type in "jawaballs" on youtube. I think that he (Jawaballs) gets lots of success from the Blood Angels.

Yea but if I remember his army is basically all vehicles

Vulkan wrote:
But I think upgrade sprues and such are a little too costly like it's $25.00 for Chaos upgrade parts for Night Lords.. This shouldn't be done to space marine founding chapters.. I don't know any more.. Then again I haven't interacted in a mini wargamming store in over year

Yeah, the metal bitz packs are pricey. I just bought enough to make 30 Chaos Marines into Iron Warriors, which came out to an extra 40 bucks per squad or so. I was referring to the upgrade sprues like the Dark Angels, Black Templars, and Space Wolves have. Much cheaper and with more options.

Also, if GW releases a plastic Iron Warriors kit in the near future, heads will roll.

As cool as plastic IW would be what is the reason to make it? Can we really say there are THAT many IW players?

Vulkan wrote:

Cosmic wrote:

Vulkan wrote:Can we all agree current BA are awful?

Type in "jawaballs" on youtube. I think that he (Jawaballs) gets lots of success from the Blood Angels.

Yea but if I remember his army is basically all vehicles

Not true. The army style he promotes is definitely mechanized but he has his share of Marines just like any good Blood Angels player.

I win a lot with BA in tournaments and even in 'ard boyz..

DA are unplayable
BA are playable but every army is the same

I'll never understand why any marine would not wear a helmet considering all the sensors and comm devices it has.. Who needs 56 heads? Put useful stuff on the sprue please

Like Shoulder pads and torsos with our emblem! Oh and chain axes and swords.. LOTS OF THEM

Judging by the Space Hulk models I'd say BA players could use about a million little tear-drop shaped jewels to adorn their models with.

Ten winged teardrop shoulder pads, a set of death company conversion bits, some running legs, a couple of shiny new torsos, a smattering of terminator bits, some weapons, a $h!t load of blood drops, plastic Baal pred bits, a couple of vehicle accessories and we would have a very nice upgrade sprue. Even just direct order I would be willing to cough up $35au for.

Or go whole hog like they did with DA, except instead of robed vets, get death company, and sell that for $35.

And have a separate vehicles thing.

Death Company Jet Pack sprue included with DC box and a sprue with DC bits for Rhinos.

Also, maybe make the DC have a random number of attacks like the Forsaken in fantasy. D3+1 each or something.

I heard DE are the next army to come out after Wolves.
GW have a tough year ahead of them,since they're having to re-do nearly 8-12 year old codex's.
My guess is either it's Tyranids or DE who are next,i doute BA will be coming out 2010.

You know when you really think about it.. Could GW just do a .PDF for the BA and listen to fans reactions? I mean if your going to be cheap about an armies codex why not just do it again till you get it right and just keep it there?

Vulkan wrote:You know when you really think about it.. Could GW just do a .PDF for the BA and listen to fans reactions? I mean if your going to be cheap about an armies codex why not just do it again till you get it right and just keep it there?

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Jimi Nemesis wrote:

Vulkan wrote:You know when you really think about it.. Could GW just do a .PDF for the BA and listen to fans reactions? I mean if your going to be cheap about an armies codex why not just do it again till you get it right and just keep it there?

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I thought it was a good idea..

Vulkan wrote:

Jimi Nemesis wrote:

Vulkan wrote:You know when you really think about it.. Could GW just do a .PDF for the BA and listen to fans reactions? I mean if your going to be cheap about an armies codex why not just do it again till you get it right and just keep it there?

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I thought it was a good idea..

So did GW. And apart from overcosting eveything, it was.

A PDF? And miss out on that £15 a book?

Honestly if during the designing of the codex they did release PDF's and see people reactions and experiences with it it'd probably make for better end products. Sort of like Blizzard and WoW patches... Oh no, I'm saying Blizz do something right , help!

Jimi Nemesis wrote:

Vulkan wrote:

Jimi Nemesis wrote:

Vulkan wrote:You know when you really think about it.. Could GW just do a .PDF for the BA and listen to fans reactions? I mean if your going to be cheap about an armies codex why not just do it again till you get it right and just keep it there?

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I thought it was a good idea..

So did GW. And apart from overcosting eveything, it was.

No I mean like you know.. Doing it right >_> ..So at least an point cost drop would be nice.

Vermillion wrote:A PDF? And miss out on that £15 a book?

Honestly if during the designing of the codex they did release PDF's and see people reactions and experiences with it it'd probably make for better end products. Sort of like Blizzard and WoW patches... Oh no, I'm saying Blizz do something right , help!

*Savage beating* Get it together man! Think about how long it's taken for Starcraft 2! Be Angry!

Starcraft 2, Diablo 3. Anything that isn't another WARCRAFT!

Jimi Nemesis wrote:Starcraft 2, Diablo 3. Anything that isn't another WARCRAFT!

*Slaps* No you mean anything that isn't another WoW


Warcraft is dead

Back to topic folks

Farmer wrote:I heard DE are the next army to come out after Wolves.
GW have a tough year ahead of them,since they're having to re-do nearly 8-12 year old codex's.
My guess is either it's Tyranids or DE who are next,i doute BA will be coming out 2010.

Who says they have to do the old codex? The current DE codex is not broken at all.
DE is the last codex that GW cares about. If you havn't noticed all GW cares about is money to repay the loan the made to stay in business. Why would they want to release a codex for an aremy that like 2% of the warhammer 40k population play? At this moment, GW is struggling to stay ahead of the curve financialy. Look at their recent 40k codex and it makes since.

space mairnes- like 90% of 40k players have space marines,
Choas- 2nd most popular army
orks/IG- Horde armies, also the most expensive to play with. Their is a reason why an IG army sucks without tanks, because GW wants you to buy all the tanks/valks.
SW- another SM codex which 90% of 40k players pretty much play.

Future codex
tyranids- horde army, which gets them alot of money. Its also very popular
Necron- Cheaper army, but the most broken.
Blood angels or another angels of death book??? GW like to release a Space marine codex every year to keep the masses happy and buying their products.

codex that shouldnt be in a hurry...
eldar,tau, DE, witchhunter/deamon hunters. (I'd like to see an ordos mallus,herectis, and xenos codex {ordos xenos being an easy army to creat})




Conclusion...
Why would GW make new cast/molds of models for the most unpopular army. I agree that they need better characters, but DE arn't broken like 'crons. If you play with DE enough, you can beat pretty much any list.

I think when people refer to DE and NC they meant over powered.
Actually it's amazing how a "Over powered Army" just turns to absolute crud with a switch to edition

Vulkan wrote:You know when you really think about it.. Could GW just do a .PDF for the BA and listen to fans reactions? I mean if your going to be cheap about an armies codex why not just do it again till you get it right and just keep it there?

don't feed the troll.