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GW has stopped shipping out Blood Angel stuff. Which is the same thing they did with the Space Wolves, Skaven, and Tyranids (more recently) in advance of a whole bunch of new stuff coming soon. I wouldn't be surprised if Blood Angels and Tyranids get released at the same time to capitalize on the people that want to get into 40K after playing Space Hulk.

lol, i didn't realize they were still supporting the BA after their half hearted "codex" release. for the time being, i'll be using the SW rules for my marine assault heavy force.

Thats all we need, another Marine Dex.

Can't they just hurry up and finish Dark Eldar, then move onto Necrons and Tau???

If memory serves thats 2 Codex GW have in the near future, Nids and now Bangels.

They only take down the models and other bits if a release is within 3-6 Months.

Awesome pic BTW Vulkan.

Loving that diorama model

It seems feasible after the SpHulk release they would invest in both BA and Nids, but nothing has really been said/heard about BA, so unless GW are getting that good, i would think we would have heard something already.

There have been rumors that BA are getting done in 2010 after the nids. It kind of make sense because of space hulk, but really it's just because the marine dexes are easier to do and don't require their own model ranges. It has nothing to do with which army is more deserving of an update.

Actually, I can see where GW are going with the Marine releases...

How many units do SW have that need their own specific models that can't be made with just the SW sprue and one of the SM squad boxed sets???

I mean you can use Devs to make Long Fangs and Assault Marines to make BC with the SW sprues.

Bangels need like...

Command Squads with Jump Packs - easy fix with a Bangel Sprue.

Death Company - See above.

Errrrrm

Thats it.

Re do all the character models and add in some tank variant or Dread Variant and they are good to go with a shiny new codex.

See, minimal amount of new models that cost money to develop (like most of Ork range and the IG range) and loads of boxed sets already on the shelves that can be sold with the sprues.

Good idea really.

Can we all agree current BA are awful?

Vulkan wrote:Can we all agree current BA are awful?

Yup, you get my vote.

radiohazard wrote:Thats all we need, another Marine Dex.

I'm telling you - get used to it. GW has figured out what a money making scheme their Space Marine line is. Everytime they drop a new codex its a fresh run of interest on a majority of their already released and made models - the full space marine line. For them to call them space wolves they only have to update a few units and will likewise for all the other expansion codices. I am fully expecting every other army to be a space marine release just to fully give them the profit margin they are looking for. If its not every other release - it will be very close to it.

There is a reason the space marines are their biggest seller and I bet it only gets larger (or worse?) from here.

However, I must admit I am quite excited about blood angels!

radiohazard wrote:Thats all we need, another Marine Dex.

Can't they just hurry up and finish Dark Eldar, then move onto Necrons and Tau???

If memory serves thats 2 Codex GW have in the near future, Nids and now Bangels.

They only take down the models and other bits if a release is within 3-6 Months.

Awesome pic BTW Vulkan.

Its a simple matter of Cash invested vs Cash Recieved
Marines sell more then any other armies
More Nid players and BA player then Dark Eldar, Tau, Necrons, Eldar Combined

they want to make as much money as possible

lol i wouldn't be suprised if there aren't more BA players then the rest of the xeno's out there *not counting orks*

The word of the day is Economics .....
Love it or hate it simple math and cash rules the forges at GW

marine dex, guard dex, puppy dex, vampire dex, dex for templars who arent good/distinct enoiugh to warrant their own book, GW just wants to sell scouts and (whats different about BT? oh those upgrade kits that cost AS MUCH AS the marines they're upgrading!) but those pups are sooo awesome !

Bangels?

Seriously?

That's painful!

Please stop!

Please?

Anyway, you know you're getting at LEAST one Space Marine Codex a year, for a lot of the reasons already pointed out, so, lets all just try to enjoy it.

Or, grin and bear it.

Vulkan wrote:GW has stopped shipping out Blood Angel stuff. Which is the same thing they did with the Space Wolves, Skaven, and Tyranids (more recently) in advance of a whole bunch of new stuff coming soon. I wouldn't be surprised if Blood Angels and Tyranids get released at the same time to capitalize on the people that want to get into 40K after playing Space Hulk.

????????????? Blood Angels have been direct only for several years. Stores can order them at a lesser discount through direct services, but they have been gone for years. Nothing new here. Some Nids and Skaven are starting to move to direct, and most wolves have been direct only for years.

I wouldn't take this as much of a sign.

Damn you for probably being correct mikhaila. And here I was, jerkin my way to a nerdgasm when I read this. Sheesh, you're a one-man cold shower.

Marinehammer 40'k. In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only space marines.

mikhaila wrote:

Vulkan wrote:GW has stopped shipping out Blood Angel stuff. Which is the same thing they did with the Space Wolves, Skaven, and Tyranids (more recently) in advance of a whole bunch of new stuff coming soon. I wouldn't be surprised if Blood Angels and Tyranids get released at the same time to capitalize on the people that want to get into 40K after playing Space Hulk.

????????????? Blood Angels have been direct only for several years. Stores can order them at a lesser discount through direct services, but they have been gone for years. Nothing new here. Some Nids and Skaven are starting to move to direct, and most wolves have been direct only for years.

I wouldn't take this as much of a sign.

Thats not true, Blood angels have just moved to direct according to my latest email(we restocked yesterday and got 2 dantes, and an honor guard), and we have been getting space wolf restock up untill about 2 months ago.

Ive got a blof up now while re-making my BA
Better not release anything new that looks decent -_-

also, watch them feth up thier current dex (well, PDF lol)
Assault marines will become fast attack, death company will become 50 points each, scouts will stay an elite choice.
They will remove the options for pods for allmost every unit.


Things that could improve it:

1: Give dante and mephiston eternal warrior. They are fething 200+ points each and dont have it.

2: Make scouts a troop choice and cut the points down (200 for 10 sniper scouts takes the piss)

3: Drop points cost on some vehicles and units, alot of them are 10-30 morethan the vanilla units.

4: Add some options!
Pretty much no decent upgrades available to them.

5: Keep storm shields a 4+ save. No one takes them now as they are A: not fluffy and B: useless.
They dont really fit into a BA army, and i rather not see a new cookie cutter BA list.

6: Keep pods for all units that have them, its what makes/made them unique at one point.
Podding scouts, termies, dreads, vets, assault marines, tac marines, all have pods and more, meaning you can pod wave armies with CC elite troops

How about adding the drop pod assault rule so that drop pods in general become worth a fat frog's ass?

ShumaGorath wrote:Marinehammer 40'k. In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only space marines.

LOL QTF so true ....

WOAH! Woah, woah, woah, hold on there
As a BA player i claim they are not the same as the usual marine scum!
Rather than sitting back hiding and using special characters to structure our armies we charge into anyone (including orks) and crush them through sheer force
Rather than being like those pansy ultrasmurfs and shooting everyone.

JD21290 wrote:

5: Keep storm shields a 4+ save. No one takes them now as they are A: not fluffy and B: useless.
They dont really fit into a BA army, and i rather not see a new cookie cutter BA list.

Agree with a lot, but not this.

GW REALLY needs to standardize wargear across the codices...

Alpharius wrote:Bangels?

Seriously?

I keep hearing, "Walk Like an Egyptian"




The Bangles are Necrons?

Agree with a lot, but not this.

GW REALLY needs to standardize wargear across the codices...

OK, remove them alltogether
BA excell in tearing apart enemies in CC, so you will want the most attacks possible, why take these? claws get the job done alot faster.
Who needs to survive long enough to attack back when you shower them in power weapon attacks all with re-rolls to hit and wound?
How do you survive getting into combat? drop pod

I still have my fingers crossed for Codex: Angels of Death. Fix both flavors of Angels in one go. As most DA players have switched to codex Marines, I'm sure this would make them happy. After all, I used to be one :(

Please GW? Please?

Now guys let's not forget GW is a company

True enough vulkan
So death company will become even more amazing, cost around 40 points each and come in blisters of 2 for £12

The Baal will be hiked up to £40 lol

All in all, any good units will become expensive to buy and cheap to field.

Also, assault squads will stay troop simply for the sheer fething cost per box

...No bad JD21190

Vulkan wrote:GW has stopped shipping out Blood Angel stuff.
I wouldn't be surprised if Blood Angels and Tyranids get released at the same time to capitalize on the people that want to get into 40K after playing Space Hulk.

Sure, that works. And is kinda obvious. Plus, it gets all codices to standalone status.
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radiohazard wrote:Bangels need like...
Command Squads with Jump Packs - easy fix with a Bangel Sprue.
Death Company - See above.

I agree. Bitz-wise, BA would get:
- BA shoulderpads & heads (winged teardrop motif)
- DC shoulderpads (skull & crossbones)
- BA tank decorations
- BA-specific Sergeant torsos (assume at least 1 "muscle" torso, along with winged teardrop torsos)
- BA-specific weapons
and so on... Following the SW sprue design with extra heads & shoulders, there's a lot of value for players to customize generic SM bitz.
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Alpharius wrote:Anyway, you know you're getting at LEAST one Space Marine Codex a year, for a lot of the reasons already pointed out, so, lets all just try to enjoy it.

Or, grin and bear it.

Exactly - it's been like this for about a decade, so why SM Codices are a shock to people is beyond imagination.
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JD21290 wrote: 3: Drop points cost on some vehicles and units, alot of them are 10-30 morethan the vanilla units.

Don't forget that a lot of the extra points are because of the "free" DC model that you get.

As far as adjustments go, I'd just like to see BA have a rule that they can Assault (but not Shoot) after DSing.

Current BA are competitive but dull. I hope they get a cooler, more expansive Codex.

How are they dull Fetterkey?
they have plenty of options structure wise, it just seems to be wargear that lets them down. (and only 1 unit of DC per army lol)